Poor Writers/Copy Editors

[MichiganPackerFan]

Re: Poor Writers/Copy Editors

Fritz, you know how I feel about these things, so

Ty, the usage isn't changing. The cliché is "moral victory" and if you're going to use such overused verbiage professionally you may as well get it right. I find stupid mistakes like that all the time and it drives me nuts. Writing is how these people make their living. This is what they get paid for. They don't put up with accountants and mathematicians using the wrong numbers, why is it not a big deal for a writer to screw up my language? Is it ok for a receiver to run the wrong route and just say "well, you know where I was supposed to go.

Max, it can't be a generational thing because that would make me old and that just won't do.

Very well said, Zigs

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: Poor Writers/Copy Editors

Ty, the usage isn't changing.

google shows 25% results for morale. plenty of uses of morale. Evidence and articles on using morale show a change. wwww.sportsjournalist.com

Sorry, disagree.

[MJZiggy]

You say this as we're decrying the poor usage in sports articles, yet you cite sports articles and bloggers that show up on google as your evidence? Because more people are misusing it doesn't mean the other 75% don't think those people are idiots.

It requires users to actually know WHAT a moral victory is before they can use it properly. It's an old cliché.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You say this as we're decrying the poor usage in sports articles, yet you cite sports articles and bloggers that show up on google as your evidence? Because more people are misusing it doesn't mean the other 75% don't think those people are idiots.

It requires users to actually know WHAT a moral victory is before they can use it properly. It's an old cliché.

I posted a link where journalists are discussing the usage. Therefore, there is a discussion going on..therefore a paradigm shift can be going on.

You are assuming poor usage, whereas it could be a decision being made. Pretty hard to imagine that both the writer and editor are both unaware or misusing.

As for the 75% thinking idiot..that is a big assumption, and who cares about that as well. 75% of america uses irregardless. You can't have it both ways.

Sorry, but i disagree.

[MJZiggy]

1. No you didn't.

2. You obviously don't understand what a moral victory is. And if you're quoting journalists discussing language as a source in a thread in which the issue is that journalists don't know what they're doing with the language, it kinda makes me wonder if you're losing your touch. (or your sledgehammer, however you want to see it.)

[Tyrone Bigguns]

1. No you didn't.

2. You obviously don't understand what a moral victory is. And if you're quoting journalists discussing language as a source in a thread in which the issue is that journalists don't know what they're doing with the language, it kinda makes me wonder if you're losing your touch. (or your sledgehammer, however you want to see it.)

1. What do you call bleacherreport, sportsjournalists, etc.

2. No, you don't understand. There are many discussions going on that the cliche doesn't work...that there is no such thing as a moral victory...that morale victory actually works better. I posted, as have others, that there is no such thing as moral victory..and gave a detailed reasoning. Please don't insult me by stating i don't understand what it is.

3. If you can't see that the internet has facilitated more discussion on this, and that it is possible to change a cliche then what is the point. the internet has allowed way more conversation on standards and practices than ever before.

You start from an assumption that the journalists are making a mistake an don't know it. You would need to prove that.

I start from a position that they are well aware of the stupidity of the cliche and are now working on changing it...as they multiple discussions i've seen on it.....including sportsjournalist(s).com. My position is buttressed by more than yours.

It is more fun for you to believe they are stupid and that you are catching them.

Sorry, i disagree.

[MJZiggy]

You really don't know what a moral victory is do you?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You really don't know what a moral victory is do you?

Did you read my posts? My god, i gave 2 long detailed explanations of why moral victory doesn't work.

There is NOTHING moral about losing a football game. Ethics and morals aren't involved.

[MJZiggy]

You gave a description of why you think "morale" works better from a literal, linguistic standpoint but the reasoning doesn't match what a moral victory is. You didn't define it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You gave a description of why you think "morale" works better from a literal, linguistic standpoint but the reasoning doesn't match what a moral victory is. You didn't define it.

Really? What was the point of the tortoise and hair..and leonidas?

[MJZiggy]

Never mind. I'm not going to get into an endless battle with you when you don't know what you're fighting about.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Never mind. I'm not going to get into an endless battle with you when you don't know what you're fighting about.

I would say the same about you.

As i stated, sorry, i disagree.

[Bretsky]

Never mind. I'm not going to get into an endless battle with you when you don't know what you're fighting about.

I would say the same about you.

As i stated, sorry, i disagree.

Bretsky needs to remind Ty one of the keys to chick scoring
Ty might have a shot at the Zigster
Bretsky says let chicks win the meaningless arguments. ...also a very important key to a long lasting marriage

A happy chick who thinks she can win an argument rarely says no

[Rastak]

I gotta have the last word guy. If Zig kept responding this thread would grow to a half million posts.

[Iron Mike]

Re: Poor Writers/Copy Editors

Y'know, we all fuss and study the minutiae of being an NFL player. We expect them, after a couple years, to know their profession inside and out, to be technicians, to be students of the game.

Lately, I've been catching more and more errors in basic grammar and word use by the writers of the JSO and Press Gazette. There was a couple weeks ago the classic misuse of "its" instead of "it's." And now there's this in a GBPG article listing reasons for optimism. The writer is Mike Vandermeuse:

His name's actually spelled Mike Vandermause.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/PKR04/60712075&theme=PKRVandermause&template=theme