Questions on Rape - continuing the Ben thread

[Scott Campbell]

In this individual case, the only reason I wonder if it was actually rape, was because her first story was that she said, "no, this isn't right" and he said, "yes, it's OK, it is". . . .

Just based on her first statement, it was right on that gray line to me.

It's not at all gray to me. She said no.

[MJZiggy]

Using threats and intimidation to get sex is sexual violence.
"My partner threatened to break up with me if we didn't have sex soon, so I just went along with it even though I didn't want to."

Anyone that willingly caves into this kind of pressure has some serious issues. It does not fit what I would define as sexual violence.

If your boyfriend announcing your sluttines is sexual violence, this surely must be. But I agree, this is the point where she should have just saved him the trouble.

Ya know, I wonder if it matters his comments on her sluttiness are true...!

[RashanGary]

True, SC. The guy might just be being honest (although obviously an ass hole not worthy of the girls affection).

But anyway, if she asks him why he wants to break up and he says, "Sex is important to me, I'm not getting it from you so I'd rather break up with you".

And then she does it. Yeah, she's being intimidated and controlled, but she's giving that control.

In the eyes of god, he's got some fault. In the eyes of the law, that's not breaking a law. That's called her not respecting herself enough to get what she wants in life and surround herself with good people.

[RashanGary]

But then again. the University of Georgia isn't calling this criminal sexual violence. They're calling this sexual violence and to that, I agree.

The person using that control over the other person is violating them. Not to the point of criminal conviction IMO, but to the point of, "that person is not being good to you so LEAVE you idiot!!"

It's a good guideline for what not to take from your significant other and all are nice red flags for strongly considering getting the hell out of that relationship, especially if the person is too stubborn listen and realize whatever he/she is doing is wrong.

[MJZiggy]

True, SC. The guy might just be being honest (although obviously an ass hole not worthy of the girls affection).

But anyway, if she asks him why he wants to break up and he says, "Sex is important to me, I'm not getting it from you so I'd rather break up with you".

And then she does it. Yeah, she's being intimidated and controlled, but she's giving that control.

In the eyes of god, he's got some fault. In the eyes of the law, that's not breaking a law. That's called her not respecting herself enough to get what she wants in life and surround herself with good people.

In the eyes of god he's an idiot and will likely be one of the many men suffering later in life with erectile dysfunction. That would at least prove beyond doubt that god exists...

[Scott Campbell]

Here's some of what is disappointing to me about that list.

1) It's published by the University of Georgia.
2) It lumps marginally disgusting behavior in with felony rape.
3) Kids probably read it and end up more screwed up than if they hadn't read it.

[Tarlam!]

That would at least prove beyond doubt that god exists...

Oh, puhlease!!!! Take out the religion. This all has nothing whatsoever to do with God. God doesn't punish people. God is not responsible for rapes, earthquakes, murders or volcanoes in Iceland screwing up European flight plans.

God certainly didn't make it happen that this poor little girl was abused by a 6'5" 250 lb arsehole being guarded/aided by his bodyguards.

[MJZiggy]

That would at least prove beyond doubt that god exists...

Oh, puhlease!!!! Take out the religion. This all has nothing whatsoever to do with God. God doesn't punish people. God is not responsible for rapes, earthquakes, murders or volcanoes in Iceland screwing up European flight plans.

God certainly didn't make it happen that this poor little girl was abused by a 6'5" 250 lb arsehole being guarded/aided by his bodyguards.

It was a joke, love.

[Tarlam!]

Here's some of what is disappointing to me about that list.

1) It's published by the University of Georgia.
2) It lumps marginally disgusting behavior in with felony rape.
3) Kids probably read it and end up more screwed up than if they hadn't read it.

And, it's strongly feministic and probably, gays contributed over proportionally.

[RashanGary]

That's not what she was saying, tar. I brought god in because sometimes we're confusing things that we know are wrong with things that are criminally wrong.

[MJZiggy]

Here's some of what is disappointing to me about that list.

1) It's published by the University of Georgia.
2) It lumps marginally disgusting behavior in with felony rape.
3) Kids probably read it and end up more screwed up than if they hadn't read it.

You're probably right. I wish they'd have distinguished between sexual violence and rape. I mean if you look at it logically, I don't think a guys going to get 10 years for being an ass to his girlfriend.

Do you think they teach this stuff in class (other than criminal law?)

[Administrator]

Not pushing the envelope, but this just in from NFL.com.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8179a78b&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Lets try and not tick off the Admin or Lady Rats, huh?

[Administrator]

Actually this article is germane to the discussion in the Romper Room thread as it indicates that the Rooney's are not going to tolerate his behavior. I wasn't aware that the Vegas case hadn't been resolved yet and to me that will make Goodell's decision more interesting. Without resolution to that case, does this mean he's looking at a second (third) offense? Roethisburger best hope that whoever takes over for him while he's suspended sucks. Bad.

[Administrator]

OK. Look. I live in Germany, but I have no idea what "germane" means. And I'm too lazy to use the thesaurus, cause I can't spell that either!

[Administrator]

OK. Look. I live in Germany, but I have no idea what "germane" means. And I'm too lazy to use the thesaurus, cause I can't spell that either!

This article applies to that discussion. It's relevant.