WORLD CUP

[retailguy]

Did we win ?

do they keep score?

[Joemailman]

Maybe he saw this holding, and got the uniforms mixed up.

[hoosier]

For those of us who don't know all the rules, what constitutes offsides in that situation?

If you're an offensive player who doesn't have the ball you have to have at least two defenders (including the goalie) between you and the opponents' goal. If the ball comes to you or if you otherwise get involved in the play and there are not two defenders between you and the goal, then you are offsides. Here is a pretty good explanation for what is sometimes a subjective call: http://www.offside-ref.co.uk/laws/11...rule/detailed/

[red]

Maybe he saw this holding, and got the uniforms mixed up.

that was just one of the holds

I counted 4 of our players being held up and that kick, including one that was taken down

the amazing thing is how fast the whistle was blown. the ball was in mid flight, so taking into account reaction time, he had to have seen something right when the ball was being kicked

correction, 5, 5 players being held. watch this video and you can see them all

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/columns/story/_/columnist/hill_jemele/id/5302691/ce/us/lousy-way-settle-tie?cc=5901&ver=us

3 were being held in from of edu, one of which being wrapped up and thrown to the ground. and 2 behind edu being held. all of those could have been called, but the ref decided to call something that didn't happen

[Joemailman]

[Joemailman]

According to the Sporting News, the ref called holding on Carlos Bocanegra, and didn't see, or ignored all of the other holding.

http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/article/2010-06-18/analysis-coulibalys-call-on-bocanegra-disallows-us-goal

[Jimx29]

How can ya not love this: http://snipurl.com/xjsc6

[red]

According to the Sporting News, the ref called holding on Carlos Bocanegra, and didn't see, or ignored all of the other holding.
http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/a...allows-us-goal

when did he hold the other guy

heres a picture a commenter posted under that article. the red arrow is pointing to bocanegra(he's the head that you see in the headlock)

[wootah]

For those of us who don't know all the rules, what constitutes offsides in that situation?

If you're an offensive player who doesn't have the ball you have to have at least two defenders (including the goalie) between you and the opponents' goal. If the ball comes to you or if you otherwise get involved in the play and there are not two defenders between you and the goal, then you are offsides. Here is a pretty good explanation for what is sometimes a subjective call: http://www.offside-ref.co.uk/laws/11...rule/detailed/

All this above AND the ball must come from a 'forward pass'; backwards pass or 'horizontal pass' can never lead to offside. Above that you cannot be offside if the pass comes from an opponents foot/head or if at the moment of the pass you're at your own half or after a throw in.

It's a shame what football has become when there's a corner kick or freekick. I don't know if there's a way back, but I'm all for giving a penalty kick everytime this wrestling takes place. After a couple of weeks filled with penalties, we might see some real football again.

[Gunakor]

Another gift from England yesterday. Algeria played England to a draw last night, which means all USA have to do is beat Algeria and they're through with 5 points. Had England defeated Algeria that disallowed goal would mean much more than it does today. USA has to be stoked that their fate is still in their own hands. Win and they're through.

[red]

Another gift from England yesterday. Algeria played England to a draw last night, which means all USA have to do is beat Algeria and they're through with 5 points. Had England defeated Algeria that disallowed goal would mean much more than it does today. USA has to be stoked that their fate is still in their own hands. Win and they're through.

who's the bigger disappointment this year? England or France? i can't believe how bad each has looked. and i just don't understand how farnce has been able to keep one of the best scorers of all time (Thierry Henry) on the bench while starting a guy in Anelka that seems completely incapable of scoring

edit, france just kicked anelka off the team LOL

[wootah]

who's the bigger disappointment this year? England or France? i can't believe how bad each has looked. and i just don't understand how farnce has been able to keep one of the best scorers of all time (Thierry Henry) on the bench while starting a guy in Anelka that seems completely incapable of scoring

edit, france just kicked anelka off the team LOL

For now, definately England. France barely qualified to begin with; they needed a hand ball goal against Ireland to qualify. Their coach has been showing nothing but incompetence for the last years with a team that seems to be over its top. Henry is an example of that; his best days are well behind him. Anelka has always been a jerk, but he played very well for Chelsea this year.

England on the other hand won everything but one match to qualify. I'm not a big fan of them, but still didn't expect them to play this bad.

Don't think that the game against Algeria will be a stroll in the parc: they gave England much more problems than the USA did in their 1st game. It won't be easy, but I expect USA to win that one though.

[SkinBasket]

the amazing thing is how fast the whistle was blown. the ball was in mid flight, so taking into account reaction time, he had to have seen something right when the ball was being kicked.

The best explanation I've heard was from some coach quoted in an article who said that sometimes a ref will regret calling the foul that led to the free kick, so to make up for it, he'll simply blow the whistle as soon as the free kick is initiated to kill the play, using some bogus ambiguous reason, and in theory he corrects his own mistake this way. Two wrongs making a right. Of course when the free kick leads to the winning goal near the end of play and several players on the free kick team were so aggressively fouled on the play, and all of this happens in a game televised around the world, then it becomes a little sticky - like it did yesterday.

If England hadn't blown their game, I would probably be put off enough by that call not to watch any more WC this year. As it is, I guess I'll manage the fortitude to watch the remaining US game(s).

[red]

yeah i saw that too skin, i think it was the US coach (bradley) that said that. or at least i know he said something close to that

If he's making up for a bad call he just made that resulted in the kick, then why did he make the first bad call to begin with? and what has happened in the 2 seconds following that call to make him think it was the wrong call?

did he get too excited and blew the whistle by accident? did a gust of wind make the whistle go off? did he get lost in the moment and thought he had a vuvuzela in his mouth?

i can understand what the coach is saying, but i don't understand how a ref can change his mind so fast

i'm with you though skin. i almost lost all interest in the cup after that goal was taken away. i only watched the first half of englands game yesterday and i didn't watch any of the games today. i'm just too disgusted by how horrible that call was

[SkinBasket]

i'm with you though skin. i almost lost all interest in the cup after that goal was taken away. i only watched the first half of englands game yesterday and i didn't watch any of the games today. i'm just too disgusted by how horrible that call was

Watched about 15 minutes of the Brazil game today. The ref was laughing with Fabiano about the non-called hand ball (twice) on Fabiano's 2nd goal. That can't play well. It appeared to be an amazing play that was then made much less so by non-called cheating. Twice. Blah.