Off topic stuff from the Vikings/Saints game thread

[GrnBay007]

I would like to point out a couple of things. I'm sure the result will be nothing short of another little bash session but I don't care.

How hypocritical of some of you! I can't even count how many times I've read people comment on how they miss Rastak....or when he does show up make comments to "welcome" him back to PR. What a crock! Really? You welcome him back....wish he posted here again...etc. yet there are countless threads/comments doing nothing but bashing the team he roots for. Rastak was a long standing member of this site. He always made draft day extra special by posting tons of great info. There may have been friendly jabs in the past toward the vikings but it was never so sickening the way it is now. Why? All because some can't get past Favre playing for the Vikings! Seriously, is it really worth all that......in an adult world people?

In the past there were occasional visitors from opposing teams. As long as they came to this site and were respectful everyone here seemed to show them and their team the same respect. Again, now because some can't get past their Favre hatred why would any of the friendly Viking posters we had here care to visit? The outspoken of this forum are turning this place into exactly what they want.....everyone must have the same opinion and if you don't you are not welcome.

So yeah, it's an online Packer football forum. I ask you this....do you treat all those in your real everyday life the same? So you have a neighbor that is a Viking fan do you get angry with them because of the team they root for and make shitty comments about their team constantly? Or do you show them respect and try to have a civil - adult conversation with them regarding football? Yeah......FOOTBALL....not just one player that you hate because for some reason you feel he personally did you wrong? Man, after stepping back it's unreal how ridiculous it all seems!!!

This site was built on a lot of long standing posters. People who actually befriended those around them. People who did not tolerate disrespect to others. Seriously people....you are not showing how much you love the Packers by demonstrating how much you hate Favre. I haven't come across any Favre-hate-o-meters to prove you are a Packer fan.

[Tarlam!]

Seven, I don't agree with your rant at all. Not one teensy weeny bit.

Rastak and MNGolf are MOST welcome here at PR and I have never seen anything posted that would upset them, except Ras takes exception to the term "Queens".

This site has always loathed, yet respected the team "Vikings". Yet the management has always been ridiculed here. Nothing has changed.

If you can't understand the animosity that Favre caused with his decisions, that's your motherly instict, maybe. The fact is, and I only draw my conclusions from what I get to read, Favre has polarized the entire NFL fan and commentary base.

It is absolutely no wonder that Packer fans will hate the team he plays for, doubley so if that team is NFC North.

Your "high road" post was, IMHO, tainted. And you know how I feel about you personally, so you know my words are not a personal attack.

[imscott72]

I don't know what all happened or what was said that drove Ras, Bretsky, and others away, but I will say I think this site is more friendly to opposing fans than the others I've been too. I used to hang around PPO, (Vikings site), and would get called all kinds of nasty name for no reason. Bears sites are the same way. Trust me it could be A LOT worse.

[mmmdk]

I don't agree with your post, seven, but I do like(d) having a guy like Rastak around. As for the "long standing members"...that self-righteous possé had to be desolved but it could've been prettier yet that's in the past now. One does move on - and I wouldn't mind any of the aforementioned posters to come back - not at all - just ditch the anthem of self-righteousness.

[Patler]

"Hate" for the Vikings goes beyond the Favre issue.
When Aaron Kampman was a RFA, the Vikings signed him to an offer sheet.
When William Henderson was a FA, the Vikings tried to sign him.
When Ferguson was released, the Vikings signed him.
When Longwell was a FA, the Vikings signed him.
When the Packers couldn't afford Sharper, the Vikings signed him.
Mike Montgomery became a FA, the Vikings signed him.

How many other Packers were pursued by the Vikings and/or went to the Vikings? There was talk last year that the Vikings had contacted Mark Tauscher. Is it wrong? Of course not. For many of the players, the Packers had lost interest. But when it happens time and time again, often with higher profile Packers, it seems like more than just coincidence.

Then, throw in the Vikings initiating the "dirty pool" tactics in offer sheets to free agents with their offer to Hutchinson and getting him, Viking players avoiding suspensions while other teams (including the Packers) deal with players being suspended (Jolly).

Then, factor in the Vikings tampering with Favre (and I believe they did) while he was still a Packer, then pursuing and getting Favre after Favre manipulated the Jets, it isn't too hard to work up a strong dislike for the Vikings simply based on the way they have done business over the years.

For some fans, the cumulative effect boils over into how they talk about the team and its player, coaches, administration and ownership. I'm not saying it is right, but it is not hard to understand.

[CaptainKickass]

I haven't come across any Favre-hate-o-meters to prove you are a Packer fan.

Hi -

Billy Mays here for the "FAVRE-O-METER"




Mofo's ego is such that he also has his own friggin "Me" meter, on his own official site:

http://www.officialbrettfavre.com/favre-o-meter

...in an adult world people?

Sorry Double O - we do luv ya bunches, but this is the semi-anonymous internet, and Football is one of the last places in society where competitive tribal rivalry can be acceptably exhibited by men. It's a necessary and instinctual component of our lives. Otherwise we'd all be running around trying to kill each other daily to prove our tribe is better. To be fair, you may have some valid points, but you're not gonna get around it with a scolding post.

I'm loyal to the Packers before I'm loyal to an anonymous internet poster who is also a Viking fan. Cool as they may be.

If you're reading this and you are a Viking fan - you WILL appreciate this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yyx8_tMgcY

[falco]

Rastak and MNGolf are MOST welcome here at PR and I have never seen anything posted that would upset them, except Ras takes exception to the term "Queens".

+1.

007, I don't think you are going to win any hearts or minds here by telling us that we are being too hard on the vikings.

And I don't think the attitude towards the vikings had anything to do with Ras leaving.

[Bossman641]

I would like to point out a couple of things. I'm sure the result will be nothing short of another little bash session but I don't care.

How hypocritical of some of you! I can't even count how many times I've read people comment on how they miss Rastak....or when he does show up make comments to "welcome" him back to PR. What a crock! Really? You welcome him back....wish he posted here again...etc. yet there are countless threads/comments doing nothing but bashing the team he roots for. Rastak was a long standing member of this site. He always made draft day extra special by posting tons of great info. There may have been friendly jabs in the past toward the vikings but it was never so sickening the way it is now. Why? All because some can't get past Favre playing for the Vikings! Seriously, is it really worth all that......in an adult world people?

In the past there were occasional visitors from opposing teams. As long as they came to this site and were respectful everyone here seemed to show them and their team the same respect. Again, now because some can't get past their Favre hatred why would any of the friendly Viking posters we had here care to visit? The outspoken of this forum are turning this place into exactly what they want.....everyone must have the same opinion and if you don't you are not welcome.

So yeah, it's an online Packer football forum. I ask you this....do you treat all those in your real everyday life the same? So you have a neighbor that is a Viking fan do you get angry with them because of the team they root for and make shitty comments about their team constantly? Or do you show them respect and try to have a civil - adult conversation with them regarding football? Yeah......FOOTBALL....not just one player that you hate because for some reason you feel he personally did you wrong? Man, after stepping back it's unreal how ridiculous it all seems!!!

This site was built on a lot of long standing posters. People who actually befriended those around them. People who did not tolerate disrespect to others. Seriously people....you are not showing how much you love the Packers by demonstrating how much you hate Favre. I haven't come across any Favre-hate-o-meters to prove you are a Packer fan.

Ha, what a joke. How dare any of us take pleasure in the Vikings' failures. Nobody, at least nobody that I'm aware of, has personally direspected Rastak. Respect for the Vikings? That's a whole nother thing.

Maybe we if we all make really great topics about the Vikings Rastak will come back....

Seriously, if he were here, and he were posting, he would be treated with respect and his opinions would be discussed. But to expect people to take it easy on the Vikings in hopes that he comes back? Come on.

[Scott Campbell]

I haven't come across any Favre-hate-o-meters to prove you are a Packer fan.

There was a recall after I broke my 5th one.

[MJZiggy]

Dunno, Seven, Favre'll be gone next year and we're still gonna hate the Vikings. Looking back on this thread, he was posting right up until someone posted a photo of a pretty girl that allegedly received some naughty messages. After all his years of posting here, I just don't think Ras is so sensitive that he can't handle boobs. Ya gotta expect that in the game thread, which this is, we're gonna make fun of the opposing team. The more material they give us, the more fun we're gonna make of it. You think we're respectful toward TO when we play against his team? Please!

To be honest, I've felt that the actual vitriol has died down a lot (at least until Buck's been regurgitating it all for some unknown reason). It's been three years and I think that people just don't want to hear the same tired arguments anymore. But Favre is special because he played for us for many years and swore he would retire a Packer, which come to think of it he did--a couple times. People are allowed to feel how they feel about that. He also plays for our rival and we can feel how we like about that too. Just like you can and you can say anything you want about him without making it personal against other posters as if they'd done something wrong. They haven't. They're expressing how they feel on a football board. And to answer your question, when people bring up Favre at work, they hear the exact same things that are said here. EXACTLY the same things. But they brought him up and they know what they'll hear. There's a bit of trash talk at work between various fans. But people don't get offended and scold one another if it's someone on their team who gets teased. They're grownups and can take hearing criticism about their team.

Our own personal Voldemort is only talked about in two threads and the conversation has turned to making fun--just like if Cutler had his own thread. But I imagine that if we cared enough to make a Cutler thread, Bears fans would know what's in it and wouldn't complain so much if we criticized him.

[Tarlam!]

Good post, Zig!

[Scott Campbell]

I would like to point out a couple of things.

You should stop already.

We don't hate you. We don't hate Ras. We don't hate B. We don't hate Nutz.

We hate Bert. You shouldn't take it personally. You're not better than us for not hating him. And you shouldn't be lecturing us on how to behave. So just stop.

[Scott Campbell]

Good post, Zig!

You just like it when she says "boobs".

[Tony Oday]

Viking suck dead goats and I hate them.

Rastak is awesome and would get a beer with him.

I live in MN so I already have to deal with a ton of purple love...well less now I heard a HUGE bang on Thursday...people jumping off the bandwagon

[Joemailman]

In my opinion, the Vikings were the Packers biggest rival before Favre went to Minnesota, and that goes back to the Randy Moss days. Packer fans didn't start disliking the Vikings when Favre went there. However, a lot of Packer fans turned against Favre when he went to the Vikings. That shows the dislike for the Vikings was already there.

I don't know why Ras doesn't post here much, but when he does, he is treated with respect. Of course, it helps that when he does come here, he doesn't start off by calling people hypocrites. If Ras isn't here much because this place has turned more anti-Viking, that is unavoidable. The Vikings are the Packers biggest rival. If this forum had existed back when Rany Moss, Culpepper and Hovan were playing for the Vikings, it would have been a similar situation.