FYI3 - The return of the hezzbolah

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Battles rage in the middle east with iran and syria funding the hezzbolah and the US more than likely funding Isreal. What should we do in this situation to make the world a better place?

[Tarlam!]

Nuke Israel.

I am not anti-Jewish. In fact, I have a bunch of Jewish friends.

But the way the question is asked, this is the lesser evil. The alternative is to Nuke Everything west of India, till you reach the western Turkish border and then, you will kill all Israelis with fallout.

Until you delete one of the races completely, you will never achieve peace. There are less Israelis to delete, so, that would be the fastest method.

Boy, am I ever gonna get enemies having posted this.....

[Deputy Nutz]

Tarlam you have the right idea, but why not nuke everyone in the Middle East? Why not fuck them all over?

I really enjoy the Isrealies, they don't put up with shit.

[MJZiggy]

Isn't part of the problem that it is the radical islamists (not the radical israelis) who want to kill everyone else? If you have to take one of them out, don't you take out the one who poses more of a threat? (By the way, I'm not really suggesting we nuke anyone, merely posing the question)

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I don't think Isreal has the problem. I think they should go in there and kick some ass.

[BlueBrewer]

I do like Isreal's junk yard dog mentallity. If you come in here I am going to chew your face off you fucker.

[Joemailman]

Israel has proven they can reduce Lebanon to rubble, but that doesn't mean they can destroy Hezbollah. Sort of like our experience in Iraq. I don't claim to know the answer to what must be done, but the solution to the problem is not a military one.

Somehow we must convince groups like Hezbollah and Hamas that they need to recognize Israel's right to exist, and that their lives will be better if they do so. But we can't do that because this administration won't talk to these groups, nor will they talk to Syria or Iran, the countries that make Hezbollah's existence possible.

This administration's one-sided policy in the Middle East, which is to say that Israel is always right, has greatly reduced our influence in the region. There is a saying that says if you want peace, don't talk to your friends, talk to your enemies. This is a bit of wisdom that is all to often ignored.

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I do like Isreal's junk yard dog mentallity. If you come in here I am going to chew your face off you fucker.

I don't think the US is going to do anything to stop it from happening. By allowing Isreal to beat the shit out of the hezzbolah without our intervention we're essentially sticking it to terrorists. Iran and Syria will also (hopefully) realize just how strong of a force we truly are, and that if they mess with us, they will be obliterated.

[CyclonePackFan]

In essence, we can and should do nothing. Even though we aren't directly involved, many Islamics consider us the true enemy, since basically Israel's weapon force came from the US, and by vetoing the first UN resolution calling for a cease-fire, we're giving Israel the time they need to mount a full offensive. Since we're already being blamed, there's really no reason for us to get directly involved. This entire conflict is basically Israel saying, "Look, we beat your asses in the Six-Day War back in the 40's, and we've been taking your shit ever since. Time to remind you that we're the big dog of the yard." I think the best quote out of this whole situation came from one of the Hezbollah leaders, "When we kidnapped the two Israeli soldiers, we expected the usual response. A couple of commandos, that's it. We didn't expect a full offensive." IMO, using the "junkyard dog" analogy, this is like going up to a junkyard dog, apping it in the face every once in a while, and having it bite your arm, until one day you slap it and it goes for your throat, and you get pissed at the dog. Morons.

Tarlam hit the nail right on the head when he said, "Until you delete one of the races completely, you will never achieve peace." As long as Israel exists, there will be fighting, the radical Islamic groups will never recognize Israel as a nation. What I think most people don't realize is this is not strictly a religious war. It's a war over territory that's fueled by religion. I'm sure everyone's heard some petty dispute over land in the US, like two people both claiming the same ten acres. The Israeli situation is basically the same thing on a much grander scale. Imagine the same two people fighting over the same ten acres, but this time, Person A (Israel) says, "This land is mine, God promised this land to me, but we were forced off ages ago and my family was just slaughtered." Person B (Palestine) says, "Bullshit, I've lived here for generations, and God promised this same land to me, too." Person A is awarded the land by an outside judge, and Person B is pissed about it, so he and all his friends (The Arab Nations) are trying to drive Person A off the land (that actually sounds like a decent sitcom idea, minus the killing part)

Actually, if you study Islam, there's an interesting little rule in the Qur'an that few Muslims seem to remember. The Qur'an actually preaches against harming Jews and Christians. Since the Hebrew God, the Christian God, and Allah are all the same deity, Jews and Christians are given a special title, Ahl al- Kitâb, which, literally translated, means "People of the Book". The idea is that the Qur'an is an extention of the Torah (Old Testament) and the Christian Bible. Hence, Jews and Christians are on the right track, but don't have it exacly right, so judgement of the Christians and Jews should be left alone to Allah. Problem is, every religion has it's extremists, and the radical groups claim that Israel is a threat to Islam, which is one justification for Jihad.

I've almost typed enough, but I want to quickly touch on the "nuke" idea. We really don't need to fuck the Islamic countries over, it's gonna happen naturally when their main source of income (a.k.a., Oil, runs dry) However, if (and when) a nuclear strike happens in the Middle East, here's how it's going to go down.

Israel knows that whoever strikes first will have the rest of the world on their ass. Even if the US is on their side, there's no way that Israel and the US could fight off both the Arab World and the rest of the U.N. without all of Israel getting reduced to a parking lot, so they hold off on a preemptive strike.

Iran, however, doesn't give a shit. Since the president (or whatever the hell he is) has already vowed to destroy Israel, when they obtain a nuclear weapon, they will strike Israel's most populous city, Tel Aviv. Israel, before the UN gets together and says, *in a nerdy, nasaly voice* "Well, maybe we should put a sanction on Iran", will respond in force, dropping a nuke on Tehran, and for good measure, since the rest of the Arab League is gonna join the fight, nuking Beirut, Damascus, Amman, and possibly Cairo, Baghdad, and Riyadh. Pakistan will strike Haifa in Israel and New Dehli in India to join the frey, until India blasts the shit out of Islamabad and Kabul. After that, I don't know, but that's how WWIII will start.

Happy thoughts, right?

[pacfan]

Re: FYI3 - The return of the hezzbolah

Battles rage in the middle east with iran and syria funding the hezzbolah and the US more than likely funding Isreal. What should we do in this situation to make the world a better place?

Let Isreal beat the crap out of Hezzbolah. The best way to counter the terror tactics of the islamic militants is to take the fight to them.

[Scott Campbell]

In essence, we can and should do nothing. ......................................

Happy thoughts, right?

That's a really interesting post. Thanks for taking the time to write it.

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Scotty... c'mon! Lets hear your thoughts!

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Why does everyone think Muslims are terrorists and that they are the problem in the world? If some of you would just stop and think you would see that the war b/w Israel and Palestine in the Middle East is all on the fault of the Israelis.

I mean come on, think about: Who the hell has the tanks and all the guns, the Palestinians have little ammunition , so who do you think started this war. Israelis are funded almost entirely by the US government, supplying them with Caterpillar demolition vehicles and enormous funds.

Ok Palestinians do blow themselves up, but that is b/c they have no weapons and the Israelis are forcing them out of there homes, LITERALLY, I don’t mean their home as in Palestine, but Palestinians homes are being demolished and left homeless. If that were to happen to any of us, I don't think we would go blow ourselves up, but all that shows is that they have guts and will not go down with out a fight. That does not make you a terrorists to defend your homeland. I bet a good number of you would feel very compelled to retaliate if your home were demolished, all of your belongings in the world destroyed, and above all family members were killed. Many people think that this is a religious war, it is somewhat fueled by it but the reality is that Israelis really don’t care who you are. If you oppose their actions against the Palestinians, then you are their enemy. A prime example of this is a young lady by the name of Rachel Corrie, a nonviolent peace activist who was killed when an Israeli soldier bulldozed her. She was trying to stop the demolition of a physicians family’s home in Palestine. She was an American and the American government did nothing to investigate her death. Also, there a good number of Palestinian Christians who too are being forced out of their homes and are unable to go to Church because of the walls- so the situation among Palestinian Muslims and Christians is alike.


I think it is important to note that even though I don’t agree with many of your posts here, I can see where you all get them from. The American media is very biased, for obvious reasons that being they back Israel. If you watch Palestinian coverage there is obviously going to be different coverage, also BBC which broadcasts from London also seems to present an unbiased view. Other satellite channels also have media coverage of the current situation in the Middle East showing very graphic images of Palestinian women and children who are massacred often for no reason along with other young men who fought to try to defend their homeland. These images cant be biased because images like that just can’t be made up. Yes there are Israeli soldiers who are killed, but the ratio among Palestinians is extraordinarily higher. The real question is: How many children for two soldiers? - referring to the current crisis in Lebanon.

We should think logically of the current situation and not point fingers at a particular group of people or organization. Hezbollah was named a terror organization only by the United States. Hezbollah is actually a party that was formed in the eighties in response to the occupation of Southern Lebanon by the Israelis. They were successful in ending the occupation and since then have served to help to liberate Palestine.



This is Rachel Corrie

[pacfan]

I think you are confusing the Hamas or the (defunct?) PLO with the Hezbolahs.

With no disrespect intended for your friend, there is blame attached to both sides in this conflict. For every death blamed on the Isrealis, there is a death that can be connected to hezbolah. The hezbolah was created in 1982 to drive the US and Isreal out of Lebanon. They employ terror tactics to achieve these ends, (google William Buckley, Beirut Marine Barracks). The Hezbolahs are backed by Syria and Iran, which usually means oil money (in large denominations). Yet nobody seems to concerned that Syria and Iran can use Lebanon as the political pawn to draw Israel or even the US into armed confrontations.

Perhaps the Hezbolah softened their stance (google: hezbolah social programs), but they still captured two Isrealis soldiers and killed three others. You may argue that these five individuals may not warrant the current fighting, but where would you draw the line. How many more kidnappings/deaths would warrant it? how many of your friends would you wager?

The hezbolahs aren't that helpess if they are able to shower missles onto Israel everyday, imagine whats it like for the people on the receiving end of those "social programs"?

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

You are saying that Hezbollah is backed by Iran and Syria and that is where they get thier funding from. Ok well Israel is backed by the United States, in fact 3.2 billion tax dollars every year are going to Israel. That is much much more than what Iran and Syria are aiding to Hezbollah. Also you are saying that Hezbollah captured Israeli soldiers, which Im not denying, but it is also important to point out that there are hundreds if not thousands of Palestinian prisoners. In the past, these prisoners were tortured some to death in Israeli prisons and kept away from thier children and wives. Also the recent missiles that are being fired into Israel are in retaliation of the current destruction of Lebanon. The country of Lebanon is currently in ruins, countless children have been murdered, and thier are very limited medical supplies and hospitals are running out of fuel to even keep the electricity on! I think if we look at the recent developments in Palestine and especially Lebanon, it seems to be more of a humanitarian crisis than a war.

I also just wanted to note that the young lady Rachel Corrie that I mentioned was not a personal friend of mine, she was an activist who was killed in helping the Palestinian cause in 2003.