The ugly truth

[mraynrand]

If you see them why cant you tell me?

Sorry... I like having the non-football forums visible to the general public. I don't know how it works, but it was easier to find some of these other forums with google searches for Packer blogs/forums

I personally like a wide-open forum. The multiple Favre threads didn't bother me. Mixing in OT threads with football stuff doesn't bother me. Personal insults doesn't bother me. Threads that descend into two or so posters bickering doesn't bother me - I'll just make a new thread or something. Harlan bothers me. Bigguns bothers me. Hoosier bothers me. But they made me want to post more. Based on what other people have written in the past, it just seems as thought there are certain people who can't take the heat of a heated debate/discussion/shouting match. Granted, if all you have are insulting posts, that's a problem. I've seen this make other sites close to unreadable, but mostly once people ID the trolls, they know how to avoid them. In general, the tolerance level for nasty posts, and disagreeable posters should be higher. The only thing that should get someone banned long term/permanently would be the violation of the privacy rule.

[ThunderDan]

"And tell us, how did this negatively affect your life?"


Seriously now. Is this such a terrible thing to happen to you? This won't destroy this forum. This forum was built on assfuckery like this. The only mistake they made is not following my advice to the letter. I told madtown to convince everyone that he had sold the forum to a black guy. It was the height of Obamamania, and no one, NO ONE, was going to question a black guy on his qualifications, decisions, or nationality. Imagine the beautiful work retail could have done with the race card in his pocket as Coaltrain Joe!

Let's see.

RG and I have never been able to stand each other. So what, I can ignore him. Or at least I learned to. Kind of like after Partial and I banged heads in the "Swish" thread.

Then Joe PMs me and says he talked to RG and RG agreed to stay clear but still response to a large majority of my posts. RG personally attacks me and I point this out to Joe and nothing.

I get an e-mail from admin saying I'm on double secret probation for 2 weeks for telling packerbacker1234 that he's sad that the Vikings lost and that they wouldn't make the playoffs so he wouldn't be able to watch more Favre games. Then Joe goes off on me because I PMed back and said RG is probably behind all of this (the green indicator next to his name lit up) and packerbacker1234 really will be sad that he won't see more BF games. (Not a personal attack but the truth) It was then that I was pretty sure that there was a RG/Joe connection and I never PMed him again or responded directly to RG no matter how many times he entered a thread.

Now I learn that all 3 are pretty much the same person. Nothing terrible happened to me. The above just completely taints my view of this site. That's all.

Like I said, I'll post once in a while and will post in the gameday threads.

[mraynrand]

What a joke!

Calls into question the wonderful predict the 2010 records thread where RG says we're going to go 16-0 and then goes off the deep end. Joe then steps in a says its OK (or something to that effect. But I can't find the thread to see if that is really how it happened). Then RG admits he was purposefully stirring up shit. Then PMs to Joe had riduculous answers. Of course I can't find the thread because the search function doesn't work.

It's backhanded shit like this that destroys forums. This is why I left for a month in December after shitty PM responses from Joe, which are now painfully clear.

I'll come back and post in gameday threads I'm sure and a little bit here or there but fuck it.

Mad, I haven't even met you face-to-face but consider you a friend. You should have told everyone you were burnt out. We all understand that. If you get up to Lambeau I'll buy you a beer. Just PM me.

Here's my question - did it really bother so much that Retail went off the deep end that you had to PM "Joe." I thought Retail was out of his mind, but I told him so right in that thread. You knew he was stirring up shit. So when I got the reprimand from "Joe" I just put ole' "Retail" on the "Ignore" list. LOL. Who cares? Were you scarred for life by your negative Packerrats experience? I wasn't. Just move on. You have good things to post, why get hung up on BS like "Joe" or "Retail" stirring the pot?

[mraynrand]

I get an e-mail from admin saying I'm on double secret probation for 2 weeks for telling packerbacker1234 that he's sad that the Vikings lost and that they woun't make the playoffs so he wouldn't be able to watch more Favre games.

If this is true, this is the lame-ass stuff I'm talking about. No one should get in trouble with "Joe" or "Retail" for bantering with a Favre/Viking fan. It's an internet forum for crissakes.

[retailguy]

Here's my question - did it really bother so much that Retail went off the deep end that you had to PM "Joe." I thought Retail was out of his mind, but I told him so right in that thread. You knew he was stirring up shit. So when I got the reprimand from "Joe" I just put ole' "Retail" on the "Ignore" list. LOL. Who cares? Were you scarred for life by your negative Packerrats experience? I wasn't. Just move on. You have good things to post, why get hung up on BS like "Joe" or "Retail" stirring the pot?

Well, it didn't bother me. Dan thinks I "can't stand him". I don't know the guy. Don't really care if I ever get to know him. But the PM's were ludicrous.

When he asked Joe for retail to back off. I did. Wide berth. Did I respond to his posts? Sure. On questions of substance, I'd ask. I disagree with the insulting stuff.

But here's the rub. And it isn't going to ever change. When he first joined, no one knew anything about him. One day he was pontificating in FYI, I believe, about Obama and the economy. I found it ridiculous then, and still do today. I recommended a macro/micro economics class at the local community college. And all hell broke loose.

That was followed over the next few months with tax advice, telling one poster that social security taxes were filed on the front page of the 1040, and something else, I don't remember. I jumped in to correct those, and admittedly probably did dig a bit at Dan. His response was to go into this long winded/detailed explanation of how he helped one of his clients wind up with a lower overall effective rate than a minimum wage earner on a w2. That's like comparing a hummer to a volt. Any accountant who has spent 10 minutes in a tax class understands that the most undesirable way to earn a living from a tax standpoint is to work on a w2.

After about 3 months of this BS, I apologized to Dan regarding the econ class recommendations. But he won't accept it, so nothing changes, or ever will change. Like I said, it's better swept under the rug.

You referred to us as Oil/water. That was true, for a period. This one will still be in effect (from his vantage) when the next ice age sweeps in and kills us all.

[retailguy]

If this is true, this is the lame-ass stuff I'm talking about. No one should get in trouble with "Joe" or "Retail" for bantering with a Favre/Viking fan. It's an internet forum for crissakes.

here's where I wish the search feature worked. I don't know what "double secret probation is". As I recall the comments were personally insulting to 1234. He complained, I clicked a link which sent a generic message to Dan telling him to knock it off. That's it. It was a non event that resulted in about a dozen pm's going round the world talking about everything but making the point in the manner he did.

[ThunderDan]

If this is true, this is the lame-ass stuff I'm talking about. No one should get in trouble with "Joe" or "Retail" for bantering with a Favre/Viking fan. It's an internet forum for crissakes.

Originally Posted by Joe
Dear ThunderDan,

You have received a warning at PackerRats.com.

Reason:
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Insulted Other Member(s)

Dan,

There was no need for this.

"I know you are sad that the Vikings are out of the playoff picture."

TD again: Yup, it's true.

[mraynrand]

Well, it didn't bother me. Dan thinks I "can't stand him". I don't know the guy. Don't really care if I ever get to know him. But the PM's were ludicrous.

When he asked Joe for retail to back off. I did. Wide berth. Did I respond to his posts? Sure. On questions of substance, I'd ask. I disagree with the insulting stuff.

But here's the rub. And it isn't going to ever change. When he first joined, no one knew anything about him. One day he was pontificating in FYI, I believe, about Obama and the economy. I found it ridiculous then, and still do today. I recommended a macro/micro economics class at the local community college. And all hell broke loose.

That was followed over the next few months with tax advice, telling one poster that social security taxes were filed on the front page of the 1040, and something else, I don't remember. I jumped in to correct those, and admittedly probably did dig a bit at Dan. His response was to go into this long winded/detailed explanation of how he helped one of his clients wind up with a lower overall effective rate than a minimum wage earner on a w2. That's like comparing a hummer to a volt. Any accountant who has spent 10 minutes in a tax class understands that the most undesirable way to earn a living from a tax standpoint is to work on a w2.

After about 3 months of this BS, I apologized to Dan regarding the econ class recommendations. But he won't accept it, so nothing changes, or ever will change. Like I said, it's better swept under the rug.

You referred to us as Oil/water. That was true, for a period. This one will still be in effect (from his vantage) when the next ice age sweeps in and kills us all.

I'm pretty certain Dan is one of those on-line Turbo Tax consultants who told me I could establish an LLC with a dog as the owner and that I could write off all my milkbone purchases as business expenses. The IRS agent that garnisheed my wages disagreed.

[retailguy]

but this brings up a good point. dealing with people complaining about you (me). I dealt with just a couple. You and Dan. Neither could possibly go well in the aftermath of this. It looks staged and insincere and couldn't look any differently. Think what you will, I can't change your mind.

But, when search is fixed, go back over the last two years and try to find digs at Dan. They don't exist. I did ask questions, and I did question logic. But never again, after I apologized did I take a personal dig. I don't like his politics and think he's dead wrong. I questioned his logic plenty, and would continue that today. I think that's different. Maybe some of you will disagree. No idea.

[retailguy]

I'm pretty certain Dan is one of those on-line Turbo Tax consultants who told me I could establish an LLC with a dog as the owner and that I could write off all my milkbone purchases as business expenses. The IRS agent that garnisheed my wages disagreed.

Actually, I think he's good at what he does. He works for a guy I went to college with, I think. But no accountant is an "expert" at all kinds of taxes. Hell, I've been doing them for over 20 years. I still contract out most c corps and all trust returns. Can I do them? Sure. Can others do them better? Yup.

I've done 10k individual returns, and probably half that in scorps, llc's and sole props. When I see something not right, I'll say something.

Based on what I know about his firm, he's probably much better with c corps than I am, and I could probably do a base 1040 in half the time. It's just a different focus.

[mraynrand]

Originally Posted by Joe
Dear ThunderDan,

You have received a warning at PackerRats.com.

Reason:
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Insulted Other Member(s)

Dan,

There was no need for this.

"I know you are sad that the Vikings are out of the playoff picture."

TD again: Yup, it's true.

I don't see this as insulting. I've taken crap far worse than this from Bears fans for 6 years of Favre late season debacles. I either ignore them or remind them about Rex Grossman. People need to have thicker skins for crissakes.

[Guiness]

I think it works on Chrome and maybe some versions of IE. It doesn't work on Firefox, except when you create a new post.

Listen to the man, it works fine in FF. Hit Reply, bang Advanced, hammer More and all of them are available.

[retailguy]

Listen to the man, it works fine in FF. Hit Reply, bang Advanced, hammer More and all of them are available.

I don't have a "more" button. where is it?

[Scott Campbell]

Originally Posted by Joe
Dear ThunderDan,

You have received a warning at PackerRats.com.

Reason:
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Insulted Other Member(s)

Dan,

There was no need for this.

"I know you are sad that the Vikings are out of the playoff picture."

TD again: Yup, it's true.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

I NEVER RECEIVED EVEN ONE OF THESE GOD DAMNED WARNINGS. WHAT DOES A GUY HAVE TO DO AROUND HERE?

[SkinBasket]

RG and I have never been able to stand each other. So what, I can ignore him. Or at least I learned to. Kind of like after Partial and I banged heads in the "Swish" thread.

Then Joe PMs me and says he talked to RG and RG agreed to stay clear but still response to a large majority of my posts. RG personally attacks me and I point this out to Joe and nothing.

I get an e-mail from admin saying I'm on double secret probation for 2 weeks for telling packerbacker1234 that he's sad that the Vikings lost and that they wouldn't make the playoffs so he wouldn't be able to watch more Favre games. Then Joe goes off on me because I PMed back and said RG is probably behind all of this (the green indicator next to his name lit up) and packerbacker1234 really will be sad that he won't see more BF games. (Not a personal attack but the truth) It was then that I was pretty sure that there was a RG/Joe connection and I never PMed him again or responded directly to RG no matter how many times he entered a thread.

Now I learn that all 3 are pretty much the same person. Nothing terrible happened to me. The above just completely taints my view of this site. That's all.

Like I said, I'll post once in a while and will post in the gameday threads.

I don't know how you feel at all. Retail and I have always been great friends of like mind.

Yeah, madtown and retail have made some terrible decisions. At least they're owning up to it now. And this forum is made of sperm, blood, and mistakes with a hint of regret.