Return of the King

[SkinBasket]

I have a strong back from deadlifting but it's different muscles within the back.

That's kind of the point I was trying to make. Your type of exercise seems to be so isolated as to render applicable use to minimal levels. BJJ would be good for you. As would some other range of motion type work. I guess it's nice you can squat this much or deadlift that much, but without a more complete routine that includes the muscles that support and connect those muscles, you have just as many weaknesses as strengths and little practical benefit.

It's like you're building a robot. You're trying to make some of the major muscles out of industrial hydraulics, but your holding them to each other and to the frame with twine and tape.

And yeah, I can still do a few pull-ups and a few head-stand push-ups after 5 or 6 months of relative inactivity. Then again, I guess I never go too long without using those muscles for something or another, either helping at the farm, doing yardwork, playing with the kids or just being awesome, so maybe that's not a helpful comparison to your situation.

It just strike me as odd that someone who exercises so much can't complete a motion that could save them from falling in a hole.

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For fuck's sake, do you not even comprehend the word individual??? Hanging out with a doctor is quite a different matter from going to your own physician, getting a thorough physical exam and working out a detailed exercise and diet tailored to your INDIVIDUAL needs. There are more options to exercise than running. The regimen of a physician, who likely has never been overweight should not even compare to that of an overweight person who doesn't study the human form for a living. Especially when someone who DOES study the human form has recommended the routine. Exactly what the fuck do you think doing the majority of your work in a pool is? You think a triathlete doesn't do cardio? People who lift only will get nice muscles under their fat. Those who listen to their doctors will avoid injury, possible permanent injury. Did you drop a weight on your head or something?

I agree that maybe there is some reason that RG can't weight lift or whatever and that's why the gave him the advice to do cardio. I would question whether that plan should include running.

An overweight person should not be running for exercise. That's my entire point. RG loves to crack jokes about how I got hurt exercising. Well, I would argue he's well on his way to having jacked up hips, arches, etc. I have stopped running and have been injury free for a long time. I've posted on my fitness forum about how switching to the elliptical has made all of the difference in my ability to stay healthy and keep my body from breaking down. I would strongly encourage RG to go this route versus running.

I just talked to my GF on the phone. Told her about RG's situation and how he's running. I asked her what she'd tell her patients. She said she would tell them that diet is the most important, but in terms of exercise they should lift weights, hit the pool, and use an elliptical. Absolutely no running for a 250 pounder.

The triathlete obviously does cardio. I'm not advocating NOT doing cardio. I'm advocating doing different types. I don't want to see RG get hurt. The triathlete does his cardio through swimming and lifting weights. I'm in good enough cardiovascular shape from non-running activities (I never run) that I just decided out of the blue to do a 5k the other week and did fine. How many people that don't ever run can just get up and run a 5k? Certainly not many. I attribute this completely to weight lifting.

Ziggy, it's misinformed to think that people who lift get muscles under fat. Diet is what 100% contributes how much a person weighs. There ratio of muscle to fat is what dictates how sexy a person looks nekkid. Most people on the fitness forums that I read that only do cardio will lose weight but still have high body fat % and look "skinny fat". The people who lift weights are the ones that get shredded and look good.

[MJZiggy]

That's kind of the point I was trying to make. Your type of exercise seems to be so isolated as to render applicable use to minimal levels. BJJ would be good for you. As would some other range of motion type work. I guess it's nice you can squat this much or deadlift that much, but without a more complete routine that includes the muscles that support and connect those muscles, you have just as many weaknesses as strengths and little practical benefit.

It's like you're building a robot. You're trying to make some of the major muscles out of industrial hydraulics, but your holding them to each other and to the frame with twine and tape.

And yeah, I can still do a few pull-ups and a few head-stand push-ups after 5 or 6 months of relative inactivity. Then again, I guess I never go too long without using those muscles for something or another, either helping at the farm, doing yardwork, playing with the kids or just being awesome, so maybe that's not a helpful comparison to your situation.

It just strike me as odd that someone who exercises so much can't complete a motion that could save them from falling in a hole.

I can't do handstand push ups, mainly because I've never been able to do a handstand, but I can still do some pull ups, push ups, abs and squats. Partial can lift squats, but can he do more than 20 at once? What good is strength without endurance?

[retailguy]

For fuck's sake, do you not even comprehend the word individual??? Hanging out with a doctor is quite a different matter from going to your own physician, getting a thorough physical exam and working out a detailed exercise and diet tailored to your INDIVIDUAL needs. There are more options to exercise than running. The regimen of a physician, who likely has never been overweight should not even compare to that of an overweight person who doesn't study the human form for a living. Especially when someone who DOES study the human form has recommended the routine. Exactly what the fuck do you think doing the majority of your work in a pool is? You think a triathlete doesn't do cardio? People who lift only will get nice muscles under their fat. Those who listen to their doctors will avoid injury, possible permanent injury. Did you drop a weight on your head or something?

It is pointless to argue with this imbecile. I never said I was running. I'm not, I'm walking at a very brisk pace - 4 miles an hour. We have elected NOT do do resistance training at this time for some specific medical issues that I care not to discuss on an internet forum.

My personal trainer is also a physicians assitant. The nuturitionist has a masters degree and has been in practice for 25 years, and my doctor? Yeah, he's 57 and has worked with overweight people since he was 35.... Oh, and I can do a pull up. 3 of them in fact. The doctor thinks I should weigh 190, and the personal trainer thinks 205 is a great goal, so I'm getting there. All three have agreed with my plan, what my goals are and where I'm likely to be at the end of the year.

Selfish boy knows nothing about me, or my medical history, but he's still an expert, with google searches to back it. Good God this is ridiculous.

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That's kind of the point I was trying to make. Your type of exercise seems to be so isolated as to render applicable use to minimal levels. BJJ would be good for you. As would some other range of motion type work. I guess it's nice you can squat this much or deadlift that much, but without a more complete routine that includes the muscles that support and connect those muscles, you have just as many weaknesses as strengths and little practical benefit.

It's like you're building a robot. You're trying to make some of the major muscles out of industrial hydraulics, but your holding them to each other and to the frame with twine and tape.

And yeah, I can still do a few pull-ups and a few head-stand push-ups after 5 or 6 months of relative inactivity. Then again, I guess I never go too long without using those muscles for something or another, either helping at the farm, doing yardwork, playing with the kids or just being awesome, so maybe that's not a helpful comparison to your situation.

It just strike me as odd that someone who exercises so much can't complete a motion that could save them from falling in a hole.

I was going to ask you turkeys about BJJ. I've been thinking about it a lot lately. It seems to me that it is the most similar martial art to HS wrestling. The wrestlers were always really good athletes, well rounded, fast, etc. That's how I want to be and I think it will really help get there. I also think it will be a lot of fun.

Is there a better martial art for the type of grappling that I'm looking for? If I went 3 hours a week would that be a reasonable duration to expect progress and learn about it? I don't really know what to expect as I've never taken a martial art since I was like 7.

Thanks dude, I do appreciate the knowledge on this one.

The pull-up problem is just weighing too much. I'm sure I can pull myself out of a hole . Being able to do 10 pull-ups is a fitness goal I would very much like to achieve. I suspect it will get easier and easier as I keep dropping weight. When I do the lat pulldown exercise at the gym I do 3x8 at 168, so I'm not too far off. I would think when I get to 180, I'll be able to do pull-ups.

[MJZiggy]

I agree that maybe there is some reason that RG can't weight lift or whatever and that's why the gave him the advice to do cardio. I would question whether that plan should include running.

An overweight person should not be running for exercise. That's my entire point. RG loves to crack jokes about how I got hurt exercising. Well, I would argue he's well on his way to having jacked up hips, arches, etc. I have stopped running and have been injury free for a long time. I've posted on my fitness forum about how switching to the elliptical has made all of the difference in my ability to stay healthy and keep my body from breaking down. I would strongly encourage RG to go this route versus running.

I just talked to my GF on the phone. Told her about RG's situation and how he's running. I asked her what she'd tell her patients. She said she would tell them that diet is the most important, but in terms of exercise they should lift weights, hit the pool, and use an elliptical. Absolutely no running for a 250 pounder.

The triathlete obviously does cardio. I'm not advocating NOT doing cardio. I'm advocating doing different types. I don't want to see RG get hurt. The triathlete does his cardio through swimming and lifting weights. I'm in good enough cardiovascular shape from non-running activities (I never run) that I just decided out of the blue to do a 5k the other week and did fine. How many people that don't ever run can just get up and run a 5k? Certainly not many. I attribute this completely to weight lifting.

Ziggy, it's misinformed to think that people who lift get muscles under fat. Diet is what 100% contributes how much a person weighs. There ratio of muscle to fat is what dictates how sexy a person looks nekkid. Most people on the fitness forums that I read that only do cardio will lose weight but still have high body fat % and look "skinny fat". The people who lift weights are the ones that get shredded and look good.

1. Just because it's a treadmill doesn't mean it's running. If you don't know any other uses for a treadmill, it's time to stop typing.
2. Calories in - Calories out.
3. RG is not trying to "get shredded" right now. He is trying to lose weight in a healthy manner. He has already said that he will add weights in when the DOCTOR tells him to do so. You were the one advocating that he drop his cardio and lift weights.
4. I don't really worry about how I look nekkid. My diet and workout is designed for health. The nekkid bit is just an added bonus for my bf. How many years have you been working on losing weight and you're still at 200? RG, under his doctor's care has lost serious weight in the last four months. Reading stuff on a forum doesn't give you a medical license or qualify you for shit, so just leave him the fuck alone and stop trying to think you're smarter than his team of medical professionals.

[retailguy]

1. Just because it's a treadmill doesn't mean it's running. If you don't know any other uses for a treadmill, it's time to stop typing.
2. Calories in - Calories out.
3. RG is not trying to "get shredded" right now. He is trying to lose weight in a healthy manner. He has already said that he will add weights in when the DOCTOR tells him to do so. You were the one advocating that he drop his cardio and lift weights.
4. I don't really worry about how I look nekkid. My diet and workout is designed for health. The nekkid bit is just an added bonus for my bf. How many years have you been working on losing weight and you're still at 200? RG, under his doctor's care has lost serious weight in the last four months. Reading stuff on a forum doesn't give you a medical license or qualify you for shit, so just leave him the fuck alone and stop trying to think you're smarter than his team of medical professionals.

You are wasting your breath. Remember the cat photo. Never forget it.

I do run. When someone is chasing me. And that hasn't happened since March. My Doctor will laugh his ass off when I tell him about selfish boy. He'll really find it funny, except for the fact that he knows some moron will actually follow this stupid advice and give themselves permanent injury one day.

Good God this brings me painful memories of how stupid I was at 25, and I had learned to listen by then, so was therefore much farther along than selfish boy. He's got a long road to hoe before he realizes that he doesnt' run the world. Man, that's a hard lesson to learn. He's not likely to get it anytime soon.

I really appreciate your support. It means a lot. Thanks. As an edit, I've lost 42 lbs. Gone from a size 40 pants to a 36, and about to go into a 34. I hit the last belt loop on my current belt this week, and will be headed for a new belt soon. I'm having six pairs of dress pants altered because they fall off now. I'm going to have to buy an elliptical machine soon, as I can't get my heart rate much over 135 anymore during my 1 hour treadmill WALKS.

I really didn't think it important, but I do swim for 30 minutes 3 times a week in my pool, and have done since it got warm enough that I didn't have to heat it.

If this whole conversation doesn't illustrate the rank hypocrisy and the narcissism problem with selfish boy, then it is hopeless.

I miss just being able to share a success with someone, instead of hearing, "you should have done THIS and it would've been better". 42lbs in 5 months is good enough for me.

[MJZiggy]

I'm getting old. I forgot the cat photo.

[retailguy]

I'm getting old. I forgot the cat photo.

Here is a reminder. It's just as appropriate here as it was in FYI. Rand's photo too.

[SkinBasket]

I was going to ask you turkeys about BJJ. I've been thinking about it a lot lately. It seems to me that it is the most similar martial art to HS wrestling. The wrestlers were always really good athletes, well rounded, fast, etc. That's how I want to be and I think it will really help get there. I also think it will be a lot of fun.

Is there a better martial art for the type of grappling that I'm looking for? If I went 3 hours a week would that be a reasonable duration to expect progress and learn about it? I don't really know what to expect as I've never taken a martial art since I was like 7.

Thanks dude, I do appreciate the knowledge on this one.

The pull-up problem is just weighing too much. I'm sure I can pull myself out of a hole . Being able to do 10 pull-ups is a fitness goal I would very much like to achieve. I suspect it will get easier and easier as I keep dropping weight. When I do the lat pulldown exercise at the gym I do 3x8 at 168, so I'm not too far off. I would think when I get to 180, I'll be able to do pull-ups.

Like I said before Neutral Ground is going to be the best for someone in the mil area who wants BJJ and is not looking to fight. Real nice people over there. Duke's doesn't have a good reputation for how they treat new guys and will be more MMA focused. A place like Serrano's is going to be fine too if it's in range. Everyone I've met/grappled with from there's been friendly enough. I don't know much about 360, and Red Schaeffer started his place after I left, so I don't know who trains there. Waukesha MMA was great and probably the closest fit to what you're looking for since they have a heavy wrestling/grappling influence in their BJJ, and the BJJ instructor runs National Cage Grappling Association, which relies on BJJ for submissions and position, but incorporates all grappling, but that's probably a bit of a drive for you. The additional benefit being I could tell people there to choke you until you pass out.

If you do go anywhere, just be humble, listen, and work hard and people will respect you. You will suck balls for 3-6 months until you learn enough to stop sucking balls. Start being an asshole and you'll find that painful submissions are held a second longer and your arm, leg, or throat won't work for a week. I also wouldn't share your past beliefs you've shared here about MMA.

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Gmail keeps updating their style sheets on me. They're clearly playing with different fonts.

[Freak Out]

Gmail keeps updating their style sheets on me. They're clearly playing with different fonts.

I like what they are doing with the whole layout. Mail, docs, the lot.

[Little Whiskey]

It seems to me that it is the most similar martial art to HS wrestling.

I also think it will be a lot of fun.

Is there a better martial art for the type of grappling that I'm looking for?

[SkinBasket]

weight: 211.8
exercise: stump digging
breakfast: lean shake + frozen berries
lunch: shrimp and onion salad with remoulade sauce for dressing + water
diner: chef boyardee ravioli, 1 buttered bread slice, 2 salted pretzels and cheese, chips, 2 chocolates, and 3 gimlets.

[Bossman641]

If this last page isn't screaming for skin to bring back his weightlifting avatar I don't know what will.

Oh, and rg, congrats so far.