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I also think their is a significant difference between the sound of a key unlocking a door versus a door being smashed open buy a sledge hammer and a crowbar.
I don't know what kind of drunk friends wouldbuck has, but my drunk friends know better to come into my home at 2:00am. I have children and I will protect them even against my friends' own stupidity.
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Woodbuck, that argument is supposed to be used by your wife right before you say "And now you know why I need night vision goggles."
Seriously though who ever just unloads at a silhouette? Lots of people with a gun for home defense have a flashlight too, as do most burglars I would imagine.70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.
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It's just a cultural thing. For a long time we've been into debate over the social value Vs cost of 'the Long Gun Registry'. It's mainly a political football up here. I feel it's the use of handguns that should draw the concern of the Politicians. Not my hand me down fr. a relative after death, single barreled 20 guage. It's weapons that can be easily concealed that should draw the greatest concern and need for registration asconcerns their use in intended crimes.Originally posted by 3irty1 View PostWoodbuck, that argument is supposed to be used by your wife right before you say "And now you know why I need night vision goggles."
Seriously though who ever just unloads at a silhouette? Lots of people with a gun for home defense have a flashlight too, as do most burglars I would imagine.
I have a zero problem with a man having the means to defend his home and family if the absolute need arises. I also have to weigh in on the chance that handgun can be involved in an accident. The long gun can as well.
A man/woman should have the right to bear arms without too much political juggling.
Therefore...I stand down in favour of your needs 'as American citizens', to protect all that's yours.Last edited by woodbuck27; 08-23-2011, 07:47 AM.** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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OK I get it. You have a 2 AM curfue on Uncle Bob entering your home to deliver some mail. The son who normally stays over at the girlfriends and gets in an unexpected controversy 'over whatever, and decides to return to Mom and Dad's place for some peace and sleep. He needs to make that call first.Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View PostI also think their is a significant difference between the sound of a key unlocking a door versus a door being smashed open buy a sledge hammer and a crowbar.
I don't know what kind of drunk friends wouldbuck has, but my drunk friends know better to come into my home at 2:00am. I have children and I will protect them even against my friends' own stupidity.
I do believe a loud dog is a safer response than a loaded handgun for too many reasons and examples of past regretful accidents involving the taking of an innoscent life.
Also... I do believe you have a right to bear arms to protect home and person. To me it's an easier call with tht dog just ready to snarl and bark at anone coming near your home.** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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Then you should also be concerned with registering knives, lead pipes, and people's hands, all of which can be presumed to have a role in a possible crime. A handgun is a machine. Plastic, metal, and wood. It doesn't make decisions or have intent, and it does not fire of it's own accord.Originally posted by woodbuck27 View PostIt's weapons that can be easily concealed that should draw the greatest concern and need for registration asconcerns their use in intended crimes.
I'll say it again. Most of the fear surrounding guns is based in ignorance and sociopolitical misrepresentations meant to advance agendas. Which is understandable when you consider that the extent of most non-gun owners' education in regards to firearms is limited to having seen Boyz in the Hood. Presuming legal gun owners (who are the only people registries or any other government bureaucracy will actually affect) have a criminal intent is the result of your preconditioning.
Yeah, there are tragic accidents involving handguns. There are also tragic accidents, and crimes, involving vehicles, domestic animals, power tools, poisons, non-power tools, knives, fire, water, and a wide range of other heavy and/or sharp things. Where are your registries for those things?"You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial
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So this dog that you speak of, lets say it bites Uncle Bob's balls off and Bob bleeds out on my floor. Isn't it the same thing as shooting him in the face with a .40 cal? Actually this is a more realistic senerio, I have a trained dog of death, a child comes to the front door, or a next door neighbor kid and the dog doesn't recognize the person, jumps threw the screen door and mames some poor inocent kid. It happens all the fucking time here in America, of course the dogs are not trained and are actually brutalized into ravaged beasts, but I would take a bet that more people die from dog attacks in this country then getting shot for coming home at 2:00am. That is the fear that the lovely liberals love to spread around about gun control. That a handgun will be used on your own family because you are to stupid to use a gun without killing someone you love on accident.
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Don't worry those are coming as well. This is the age of regulation. You can't keep a shitty government in place without regulation of its' people.Originally posted by SkinBasket View PostYeah, there are tragic accidents involving handguns. There are also tragic accidents, and crimes, involving vehicles, domestic animals, power tools, poisons, non-power tools, knives, fire, water, and a wide range of other heavy and/or sharp things. Where are your registries for those things?
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Uncle Bob should have been wearing a cup! Maybe he learned his lesson the hard way just like 007 kid who doesn't want to wear one for football.Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View PostSo this dog that you speak of, lets say it bites Uncle Bob's balls off and Bob bleeds out on my floor.
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you should just get this for less than $400. Not only are you getting a quality handgun, you are getting a WEAPONS SYSTEM! Conversion kits allow for swapping out of the 250 line's caliber, trigger, and grip in less than a minute. It's an investment in your future.
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It's the iGun...!Originally posted by SkinBasket View Postyou should just get this for less than $400. Not only are you getting a quality handgun, you are getting a WEAPONS SYSTEM! Conversion kits allow for swapping out of the 250 line's caliber, trigger, and grip in less than a minute. It's an investment in your future.
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All valid points for making the purchase. Thanks for reinforcing the need.Originally posted by woodbuck27 View PostWhat about ....
That drunken friend that arrives at 2 AM unannounced to snap a beer from your fridge?
The drunk that's so obliterated that he ends up in the wrong driveway?
The Father-In-Law that has had a bad argument with your Mother-In-Law.... seeking 'safe Haven'.
The son or daughter that arrives HOME unexpectantly from college.
etc.All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
George Orwell
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If you are looking for home defense use a shotgun. Just my opinion, but if you are protecting what is important (family) a pistol won't do as good of a job, plus when the heart is pumping they are very inacurate. two hands steady your aim a lot more. If it is for fun of target shooting with a pistol that is a totally different story.All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
George Orwell
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