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  • #16
    Some food for thought:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123535114271444981.html

    We also propose the careful evaluation, from a public-health standpoint, of the possibility of decriminalizing the possession of cannabis for personal use. Cannabis is by far the most widely used drug in Latin America, and we acknowledge that its consumption has an adverse impact on health. But the available empirical evidence shows that the hazards caused by cannabis are similar to the harm caused by alcohol or tobacco.

    If we want to effectively curb drug use, we should look to the campaign against tobacco consumption. The success of this campaign illustrates the effectiveness of prevention campaigns based on clear language and arguments consistent with individual experience. Likewise, statements by former addicts about the dangers of drugs will be far more compelling to current users than threats of repression or virtuous exhortations against drug use.

    Such educational campaigns must be targeted at youth, by far the largest contingent of users and of those killed in the drug wars. The campaigns should also stress each person's responsibility toward the rising violence and corruption associated with the narcotics trade. By treating consumption as a matter of public health, we will enable police to focus their efforts on the critical issue: the fight against organized crime.
    I can't run no more
    With that lawless crowd
    While the killers in high places
    Say their prayers out loud
    But they've summoned, they've summoned up
    A thundercloud
    They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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    • #17
      Originally posted by retailguy View Post
      No, I'm advocating that we don't need other legal ways to get impaired before someone gets behind the wheel. Legalizing drugs is likely to make 1/2 or more of traffic deaths due to alcohol AND drugs.
      Do you think if pot is legal, more people will drive drunk and stoned?

      I really doubt it. We already have draconian laws against drunk driving, which seems to have worked pretty well.

      We need to get rid of criminal distribution of drugs, which is filling up prisons. Even more pressing is for Mexico to get rid of their drug cartels, which is making parts of the country ungovernable, and creating thousands of vicitims.

      I don't know the exact formula for drug policy. We need to do things to discourage drug use.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by retailguy View Post
        The problem with Mexico is that it is as corrupt as the drug cartels. They've bankrupted their people and themselves. A revolution is needed.
        I was coming to see from the interview with guy above that MExico actually is a very hopeful place. Their economy has quietly started functioning pretty well. 55% of the country is now middle class (I think that means home ownership, retirement, health care, stable income.) That's pretty damn good, they are on their way.

        The corruption of the country really is localized to certain areas, intense, and driven by narcotics trafficing. I don't think drug use in Mexico is so high. It really makes sense for them to legalize drug trafficing. I don't know exactly how that would work. In peru, "legal" means official ignore the growing of coca leaves.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
          Very interesting statement by Latin American presidents. Its pretty clear that the path forward for Latin America will be legalization. Their primary problem is not drug use, its the organized crime. What the U.S. should do might be tougher question.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by retailguy View Post
            No, I'm advocating that we don't need other legal ways to get impaired before someone gets behind the wheel. Legalizing drugs is likely to make 1/2 or more of traffic deaths due to alcohol AND drugs.
            The words of a wise man who has no clue what he is talking about when it comes to this subject.

            I know LOTS of people that have had bad shit happen when they are driving drunk or just being drunk in general. I cant say I have ever heard of anyone driving just stoned have anything worse happen then getting pulled over and getting their weed taken away (count me in). Bottom line, the people you are concerned about driving stoned are already doing it and yet you never hear about how they killed a whole family. Nope, that is just about always someone who got drunk, which is legal. Which based on your criteria means you should be demanding alcohol be banned.

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            • #21
              I ganked this crap...

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              Now we all know how these "Messycans" speak so here are a few more words to add to their list...........

              "Cheese"....The teacher told Pepito to use the word cheese in a sentence..Pepito replies:Maria likes me,but cheese ugly.......

              "Mushroom".....When all my families get into the car there's not mushroom......

              "Shoulder".....My fren wants to become a citizen, but che didn't know how to read, so I shoulder................

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
                I would rather distribute drugs by licensed and regulated businesses.
                Even for hard drugs? Regulating it is what they did in Holland with softdrugs and they are trying to get out of it now. Since 2008 magic mushrooms are already prohibited and more and more restrictions are being planned (use of weed ID, etc).

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                • #23
                  Before this gets dragged into F.Y.I......

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by wootah View Post
                    Even for hard drugs? Regulating it is what they did in Holland with softdrugs and they are trying to get out of it now.
                    Its a complicated picture, but the Netherlands are adjusting policies and generally succeeding.


                    The more I think about these problems, the more confusing it seems. How do you dispense hard drugs? How can the Latin American countries legalize drug trafficing without cooperation of U.S.? I don't know the solution, but I know for sure that the drug war in Mexico has caused far more damage than it has prevented.
                    Last edited by Harlan Huckleby; 08-13-2011, 05:34 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Iron Mike View Post
                      Before this gets dragged into F.Y.I......
                      That one never gets old

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by MadtownPacker View Post
                        I ganked this crap...
                        How many sheets would you like on your bed?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by MadtownPacker View Post
                          The words of a wise man who has no clue what he is talking about when it comes to this subject.

                          I know LOTS of people that have had bad shit happen when they are driving drunk or just being drunk in general. I cant say I have ever heard of anyone driving just stoned have anything worse happen then getting pulled over and getting their weed taken away (count me in). Bottom line, the people you are concerned about driving stoned are already doing it and yet you never hear about how they killed a whole family. Nope, that is just about always someone who got drunk, which is legal. Which based on your criteria means you should be demanding alcohol be banned.
                          I, on the other hand, know plenty of people who drank and then drove for years without incident. But, that isn't the point. We both know that if your "high" friends and my "drunk" friends were stopped and tested, they'd be DWI, and DUI. Period.

                          There is one difference between pot and alcohol. Pot is frequently a "gateway drug" that leads to harder drug use. People claim that pot isn't "addictive" but thousands seek treatment every year for addiction, and many thousands more seek treatment for "harder" drugs. When you explore their background, frequently they started with pot and progressed to different drugs. That's a fact. You can't change it, and I can't either.

                          Plenty of people can use alcohol without affecting their lives. I continually hear folks say the same thing about pot. But my experience, and yes, I have some in this area, is that many more are led down a path that they can't come back from. It ain't worth it, and no anecdotal stories will ever convince me of that.

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                          • #28
                            Not a bad post but you have to be lying to yourself if you dont think alcohol and cigarettes arent the first gateway. Almost everyone is exposed to it as a child, not everyone is exposed to weed or crack so what sparked their interest to smoke pot??

                            That is my whole point, if you want to do away with drugs then you are going to have to do way with alcohol. Then you might have to do away with chocolate cuz people get hooked on that shit too.

                            Face it, we are fucking lost.

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                            • #29
                              Cofucious say when standing on toilet high on pot...
                              Football been very very good to me

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by easy cheesy View Post
                                Cofucious say when standing on toilet high on pot...
                                What the fuck did Iron Mike smoke with you? Some sherm?

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