Another boring money post

[mraynrand]

And just like that, the tablet market split in two. Amazon is definitely selling these at a loss. Apple may have to adjust pricing. Amazon is going to be selling these for $100 soon if the zdnet article is to be believed.

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe it will be far less than 10 years before tablets are essentially free.

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So... remind me again what you get with a "high-end" iPad that you won't be getting with the Amazon device at a much cheaper price? I mean other than an increase in gay sex? Wasn't that the conclusion with the phones?

User Experience. 55% smaller screen. Tablet specific applications. No ads. iOs. Faster, better hardware. There's definite benefits. Having said that, Amazon has an uphill battle to climb if they're losing the reported 50+$ per tablet. That's lot of books to sell.

This is both cheaper and more powerful than was speculated. Amazon changed the game today. Amazon also understands that the less Android-y it is, the better, so they have obfuscated Android to the user.

You're extremely tightly coupled to Amazon with this. With iOs, you can use iBooks or any other bookstore apps, including the Kindle store. With Amazon, you can only use the Amazon book store. Is that a big deal? Maybe, maybe not. I would say no.

This thing is only going to run apps that leverage Amazon services. You want streaming media? Amazon prime. You want eBooks? Kindle store. etc. Not a deal breaker at all. They're going to lock this thing down like crazy so hackers aren't installing AOSP on it.

[SkinBasket]

Saw the deets on the Amazon device. The iPad is officially dead. As Ken, Fist of the North Star once said, "Omae wa mo shindeiru."

Partial, Amazon sells music, books, movies, TV shows, and probably your mom's used underwear. They will not have a problem recouping the hit on the hardware through software - as you pointed out yourself - the same model the very lucrative game console market has used for a long time.

iPad is the new betamax. Or the new HD-DVD.

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Saw the deets on the Amazon device. The iPad is officially dead. As Ken, Fist of the North Star once said, "Omae wa mo shindeiru."

Partial, Amazon sells music, books, movies, TV shows, and probably your mom's used underwear. They will not have a problem recouping the hit on the hardware through software - as you pointed out yourself - the same model the very lucrative game console market has used for a long time.

iPad is the new betamax. Or the new HD-DVD.

Completely disagree. There's room for two. If Amazon can do it, why can't Apple do it better? They make better hardware and could sell just as much content... Most analysts are saying they don't think these are competing devices right now. Not so sure I agree with that, but I think the iPad will continue to do very well.

This Amazon tablet won't have edu like iPad will.

[Deputy Nutz]

NERDS!!!

[Deputy Nutz]

Why? You can drag two fingers and scroll. Inertial scrolling is incredible and has been a game changer in computing. It has led to Windows Phone 7 and likely Windows 8 to copy it. Android has as well. Scroll wheels are dead.

Has nothing to do with Big Brother, RG. It's called pushing technology forward. Someone needs to move on from the status quo. I'll give you that it's easier for Apple with it's smaller market share and smaller enterprise footsteps. If Apple didn't move on from legacy tech.... Android would look and function like a blackberry, multitouch wouldn't exist, trackpads would still suck balls and be un-useable, keyboards would be garbage, backlit keyboards wouldn't exist, music would sitll be bought on CDs, etc.

Apple leaves legacy technology behind. Someone has to do it for the betterment of society. Not a huge deal. Scroll wheels still work. Plug in a different mouse if you want a scroll wheel. I'd much rather have the inertial scrolling.



Have you ever used it? What is sub par? What is so bad about it? I agree that it is very un-apple to manage videos, music and even some docs (for synching to iDevices) in iTunes. This is soon changing so this argument is pretty much moot.



You really think finding a mini-hdmi or micro-usb cable is more common than a generic iPod cable? You say you like to shop on monoprice... I do too... I can easily buy an iPod cable for pretty much the same price as a micro-usb.



Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. I got hired at my current job for my ability to write Flex code, which is a framework built in flash. It's a garbage product that runs like shit. It doesn't support multi-touch. It's so much slower than an equivalent HTML application it's not even funny. The technology is there today, GWT, Sproutcore, etc. Flash is completely unnecessary and since it doesn't have any hardware acceleration on anything but Windows, it is slow as shit.

A Youtube video should not spike a CPU to 100%. That's absolutely ridiculous.

The ultimate legacy friendly product, Internet Explorer, is not going to allow for flash in Windows 8. Read that one more time.

FLASH WILL NOT WORK IN INTERNET EXPLORER IN WINDOWS 8. FLASH WILL NOT WORK IN INTERNET EXPLORER IN WINDOWS 8.

Flash is basically dead. The day Windows 8 hits is the day it officially dies. Thank Apple for that one.



So, you really think you're in a position to discuss whether they're superior or inferior? This is such a joke dude. You're clearly judging a book by it's cover. THERE IS A REASON APPLE IS THE ONE OF THE MOST PROFITABLE COMPANIES IN THE WORLD. THEY MAKE INCREDIBLE PRODUCTS WITH THE USER IN MIND.



Funny. Thinkpads are garbage since they went to Lenovo. I've had one at work for awhile. They're huge, bulky, heavy, shitty displays, shitty keyboards, shitty trackpads, no multitouch, no backlight on the keyboards, crap battery life, and the CLITORIS my god the CLITORIS! This was my experience with a Core 2 Duo Thinkpad w/ 4 GB of ram, etc. A beast of a machine a few years back when I was given it. It had the extended battery and could maybe get 3 hrs... What a fricking joke.



As a share holder shouldn't you want your company to have the tools that allow people to most productive instead of how cheap they are? Your 100$ blackberry wasn't 100 dollars when it was new. It may do email and bbm well... but that's it. No multitouch, no webkit browser, etc. Your companies IT clearly sucks. I've worked for a fortune 100 company that is phasing in the iPhone and they never have these problems. iPhone has excellent enterprise support since iOs 2 (iOs 5 is coming out early October).




There are viable alternatives. They're equally expensive, and typically lower quality. You're clearly biased because you're too afraid you might like a luxury good -- like your delta bravo mercedes -- and become hooked on the experience.

There is no God. Easy on the "delta bravo" Jim Rome.

[3irty1]

$50? Isn't that like 10 ebooks they'd have to sell just to break even? Doesn't seem like the greatest business strategy to me, the game consoles sell games for $50 or $60 bucks each so that's a little different. Especially when you consider how easy it is to piriate ebooks and how difficult it is to pirate games (besides the wii). Pirating ebooks is just going to get worse too. The only way to make up that money is to sell apps. 95% of people are just going to buy this to masterbate and play angry birds--exactly the same as every other tablet. Unless Angry Birds is $50 I can't imagine them routinely making up that amount of money if the figure is true.

Also, one of the things that made these ebook readers useable in the first place was that funky screen they had that eliminated the eye fatigue and made for disgustingly long battery life. I don't know, but I'm guessing the new one has a normal display. Its going to be as shitty of an ereader as the ipad, or my netbook, or anything else that's equivalent to staring at a lightbulb. If its really just another tablet they'd better sell enough of these to spark a big developer community because they are only as good as their repositories.

I think what I'm trying to say is that even if its the best tablet ever, tablets are still stupid and selling a stupid product for -$50 isn't a good plan.

[Deputy Nutz]

^ your're a beautiful man

[SkinBasket]

I think what I'm trying to say is that even if its the best tablet ever, tablets are still stupid and selling a stupid product for -$50 isn't a good plan.

I think you're underestimating this nation's love for stupid things. And what's this $50 about?

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I think you're underestimating this nation's love for stupid things. And what's this $50 about?

Analysts are estimating Amazon is losing ~50 dollars per tablet shipped. I disagree with 3irty1 and think they'll make the money back easily.

Everyone loves Amazon... really has anyone had a bad experience there? It's my favorite place to shop. Beyond that, Mom's love to read (or at least have people think they read a lot or try to convince themselves they do). This thing is going to sell like hotcakes and Amazon is going to make a killing on it. Amazon is gonna push the free streaming content for a 70 dollar fee (Prime)... they will also market this as "comes with free 2day shipping on all purchases" (Prime).

They're really in a good spot. As good if not better than Apple content wise, and since they're locking the thing down so it's going to be far more "Kindle" than "Android".

E-ink is better for reading but the display on the iPad is not at all bad.. I read on it a lot and never have any issues. I imagine the Amazon screen will be similar quality though smaller.

This thing has really solid specs. Whether that translates to great performance, who knows, but the OMAP4 is very close in power to the Apple A5 and Samsung Orion chips.

[Deputy Nutz]

But you didn't reference Skinbasket's claim for American's love for stupid things. What is up with that?

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Excellent analysis from This Is My Next.. on the Amazon Fire.

http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/28/editorial-kindle-fire-ipad/

Saw a funny tweet today about iPad and Amazon fire that made a good point. Coke is still profitable and very successful despite having a huge player in Pepsi. The Tablet market is big enough for the strictly fun oriented/consumption applications Amazon is offering. These won't be productivity apps and it's NOT compatible with Android 3.x or higher apps.

I think Apple and Amazon will both be successful, it's Google and all of it's other vendors that are pissed off over this. The traditional Android tablet is dead as of today unless ICS really knocks it out of the park.

[SkinBasket]

really has anyone had a bad experience there?

I have, before they really hit their stride. There was a big e-mail fight... broken promises... refunds... Hindus pretending to be white people... In the end I told them I hoped they all died in a terrible typhoon and said I wouldn't pity them when they lost their jobs when Amazon became the next big flop. Man, did I hit that nail on the head.

[mraynrand]

I have, before they really hit their stride. There was a big e-mail fight... broken promises... refunds... Hindus pretending to be white people... In the end I told them I hoped they all died in a terrible typhoon and said I wouldn't pity them when they lost their jobs when Amazon became the next big flop. Man, did I hit that nail on the head.

Please to be I put you on hold for a minute justly.

[Little Whiskey]

Analysts are estimating Amazon is losing ~50 dollars per tablet shipped. ................. This thing is going to sell like hotcakes and Amazon is going to make a killing on it.

they'll make it up in Volume!