packerrats by subscription

[Patler]

The JS is something like 40-50/year. $19.99/month is absurd, of course, but I assume that was intentional. $5/year is nothing. I'd love to see the cheapskates who wouldn't post here if they had to pay $5/year come out of the woodwork. Refusing $5/year to cover nominal expenses for the operator demonstrates a skinflint level that is almost beyond comprehension to me.

Consider this to be me coming out of the woodwork.

Yes, $5/year is nothing. But.....

I really see no reason to give $5 to "someone" who has lied to me about the ownership and management of the site. Those running this site have lost my trust, so no, I would not give them $5, nor $1, nor 1 cent. For all I know, they would collect the fees and simply shut the site down. My trust is that low right now.

There are plenty of free sites to meet the need, sites that have not yet earned my mistrust. A few of those I might be willing to pay a subscription to. But not this one. Not right now anyway.

I recognize that this was likely just a bullcrap thread started to rile people up, which was the reason for my suggestion of $19.99/mo. But your reply seemed at least semi-serious, so I have given you my serious response.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Those running this site have lost my trust, so no, I would not give them $5, nor $1, nor 1 cent.

No, you don't understand, all the money will be going to me, or rather to the new manager. I thought, however, that some small retirement gift might be budgeted to thank Madtown for his years of service. Perhaps a piece of costume jewelry, a pen knife, or a little flashlight that attaches to a key ring.

[mraynrand]

Consider this to be me coming out of the woodwork.

Yes, $5/year is nothing. But.....

I really see no reason to give $5 to "someone" who has lied to me about the ownership and management of the site. Those running this site have lost my trust, so no, I would not give them $5, nor $1, nor 1 cent. For all I know, they would collect the fees and simply shut the site down. My trust is that low right now.

There are plenty of free sites to meet the need, sites that have not yet earned my mistrust. A few of those I might be willing to pay a subscription to. But not this one. Not right now anyway.

I recognize that this was likely just a bullcrap thread started to rile people up, which was the reason for my suggestion of $19.99/mo. But your reply seemed at least semi-serious, so I have given you my serious response.

I was absolutely serious. If you like the site, but are unwilling to pay $5/year, you're an incredible skinflint. I accept your other reasons as legitimate for not liking aspects of the site or mistrusting the management, but seriously, are you really 'risking' $5? If you like other sites better, I totally understand. more power to you.

[Patler]

No, you don't understand, all the money will be going to me, or rather to the new manager. I thought, however, that some small retirement gift might be budgeted to thank Madtown for his years of service. Perhaps a piece of costume jewelry, a pen knife, or a little flashlight that attaches to a key ring.

So you mean it would go to "Joe"??????

[Patler]

I was absolutely serious. If you like the site, but are unwilling to pay $5/year, you're an incredible skinflint. I accept your other reasons as legitimate for not liking aspects of the site or mistrusting the management, but seriously, are you really 'risking' $5? If you like other sites better, I totally understand. more power to you.

Ya, I knew you were serious, as was I in my response to you. When someone I don't know (I know absolutely no one on here), have no reason to trust (fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me) asks me for money for an undefined purpose; I generally just walk away. That is what I would do here. It has nothing to do with being cheap, it has everything to do with being used.

To me it would be almost like sending the $1 bill to the first five names on the list included with a chain letter. Not much of a "risk" there either, but I don't do it. Do you?

[Patler]

If you like the site, but are unwilling to pay $5/year, you're an incredible skinflint. I accept your other reasons as legitimate for not liking aspects of the site or mistrusting the management, but seriously, are you really 'risking' $5? If you like other sites better, I totally understand. more power to you.

I like and have read a lot of newspaper sites, but when they start asking for subscriptions (some are just $3.99/mo) I don't automatically pay it just because I "liked" them for a while.

I like this site.
I don't necessarily like other sites "better".
I don't trust this site.
I probably trust other sites more right now.

[mraynrand]

I like and have read a lot of newspaper sites, but when they start asking for subscriptions (some are just $3.99/mo) I don't automatically pay it just because I "liked" them for a while.

What kind of argument is this? If you 'like' the site, it means you use it (if you're going to parse this, I'm finished with this). If you use it, it should be worth something to you. Certainly Packerrats is worth more to you than the first people in chain letter. That just sounded flat out stupid. $5 is nothing.

Plus, you are probably one of the people who could get paid something for a regular contribution.

Maybe Harlan could actually make a go of this site. But not with skinflints unwilling to give up $5.

[Patler]

What kind of argument is this? If you 'like' the site, it means you use it (if you're going to parse this, I'm finished with this). If you use it, it should be worth something to you. Certainly Packerrats is worth more to you than the first people in chain letter. That just sounded flat out stupid. $5 is nothing.

Plus, you are probably one of the people who could get paid something for a regular contribution.

Maybe Harlan could actually make a go of this site. But not with skinflints unwilling to give up $5.

What did I parse of yours? Your "warning" makes no sense to me.

Why is it so hard to understand that some things are of mild interest, but not so much that I would pay for it?

Why would I even be interested in writing articles when I don't even start threads here any more? I've learned my lesson on that, as well as a few other things. Even if I was interested in writing an article for pay, why should I believe it would actually happen? Would the check come from "Joe II"? (As I said, "fool me once....")

By the way, wasn't "Joe" investing in software, hit tracking and a bunch of things to take this site to a new level? Weren't there talks of contributions, advertising, selling t-shirts or some such nonsense under the illustrious new ownership? This all sounds vaguely familiar.

I dislike being taken advantage of even when there is no money involved. I give readily of my time, assets and money for many, many charitable things, yet I do not respond to a telephone solicitation of any type. I have an inherent mistrust for them as well as for any "pay" website. I am very careful about where and how I send personal information, so when a payment is involved I stay away if there is any nagging feeling of mistrust at all.

I suspect a new "sale" of the website is in the wind.......

[swede]

To me it would be almost like sending the $1 bill to the first five names on the list included with a chain letter.

Can you get me in on that deal?

[Harlan Huckleby]

My joke has turned into a Festivus celebration. I'm going to pin nutz after the airing of grievances is through.

[Patler]

My joke has turned into a Festivus celebration. I'm going to pin nutz after the airing of grievances is through.

Which is mostly what you hoped for and intended, isn't it?

[Harlan Huckleby]

right, it's my fault that mommy got drunk and hit daddy with an iron pan

[retailguy]

What did I parse of yours? Your "warning" makes no sense to me.

Why is it so hard to understand that some things are of mild interest, but not so much that I would pay for it?

Why would I even be interested in writing articles when I don't even start threads here any more? I've learned my lesson on that, as well as a few other things. Even if I was interested in writing an article for pay, why should I believe it would actually happen? Would the check come from "Joe II"? (As I said, "fool me once....")

By the way, wasn't "Joe" investing in software, hit tracking and a bunch of things to take this site to a new level? Weren't there talks of contributions, advertising, selling t-shirts or some such nonsense under the illustrious new ownership? This all sounds vaguely familiar.

I dislike being taken advantage of even when there is no money involved. I give readily of my time, assets and money for many, many charitable things, yet I do not respond to a telephone solicitation of any type. I have an inherent mistrust for them as well as for any "pay" website. I am very careful about where and how I send personal information, so when a payment is involved I stay away if there is any nagging feeling of mistrust at all.

I suspect a new "sale" of the website is in the wind.......

Not sure if this is directed at me, or madtown, or Joe, or whomever. But I'll respond.

The only reason that "Joe" came about was that Madtown was burned out, and didn't want me to take over, fearing a mass exodus that in retrospect probably wouldn't have happened. There was no scam to take your money. Or anything else.

I did have plans to bring some revenue to this site. But that takes several things, some that I could do, others that I needed help for. Compounding the difficulty with that, there is a sarcastic bent to the poster population here, with an "expert" mentality that would be too preoccupied with telling me how to do it right, that they'd forget to buy the tshirt. Tshirts were never a money making proposal, I just thought it'd be cool to find someone else at a home or away game by tshirt alone. My plans had them for sale at cost + shipping actually.

Anyhow, sorry you distrust me. That's OK with me, I guess, I'm now just a regular poster with a PM box that's full. (All my great intentions didn't work out so well) So, all those plans are down the drain, but FWIW, I was very interested in having you contribute to the site when I was in charge. I felt that your knowledge would've drawn more folks here, and that would've given the site an opportunity to grow, and you to have more points of view to read, and more knowledgeable debate partners to discuss issues with. Most of those folks are gone, I believe.

Cue some sarcastic mraynrand comment, or another tangent "discussion" by Harlan to create dissention. Par for the course.... (back to your regularly scheduled programming)

[Harlan Huckleby]

Joe, I had zero intention of creating dissention and was surprised anybody took things seriously. I understand people get angry over this and that, but didn't realize there were grudges lingering. Madtown doesn't owe anybody anything, not even openness. I appreciate his gift of the forum maintenance and forgive his many crimes against myself and human decency.

[Joemailman]

Does this mean you don't want my $5.00?