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[Patler]

Not sure if this is directed at me, or madtown, or Joe, or whomever. But I'll respond.

The only reason that "Joe" came about was that Madtown was burned out, and didn't want me to take over, fearing a mass exodus that in retrospect probably wouldn't have happened. There was no scam to take your money. Or anything else.

I did have plans to bring some revenue to this site. But that takes several things, some that I could do, others that I needed help for. Compounding the difficulty with that, there is a sarcastic bent to the poster population here, with an "expert" mentality that would be too preoccupied with telling me how to do it right, that they'd forget to buy the tshirt. Tshirts were never a money making proposal, I just thought it'd be cool to find someone else at a home or away game by tshirt alone. My plans had them for sale at cost + shipping actually.

Anyhow, sorry you distrust me. That's OK with me, I guess, I'm now just a regular poster with a PM box that's full. (All my great intentions didn't work out so well) So, all those plans are down the drain, but FWIW, I was very interested in having you contribute to the site when I was in charge. I felt that your knowledge would've drawn more folks here, and that would've given the site an opportunity to grow, and you to have more points of view to read, and more knowledgeable debate partners to discuss issues with. Most of those folks are gone, I believe.

Cue some sarcastic mraynrand comment, or another tangent "discussion" by Harlan to create dissention. Par for the course.... (back to your regularly scheduled programming)

Actually, my distrust is not directed at you, nor any one in particular. It is an overall quality that the site has earned, of which the "Joe" saga is just a very recognizable part.

I was willing to go along with the "joke" of this thread, and suggested the more credible fee of $19.95/mo as fair since, I wouldn't pay it anyway. However, when seriously accused of being a skinflint for not being willing to pay even $5/yr., I became serious in expressing my opinions.

Rest assured, it goes way beyond "Joe". I had mostly gotten past that and was still posting regularly, as I always had. For completely other reasons, I no longer do. I rarely if ever start a thread, haven't for a few months, and I limit myself to a single reply or two in the football threads, for the most part. My reasons for backing away from the Packer board are not "Joe" related at all, but do factor into why I would not pay to continue on this site. My new thoughts and opinions I use to start threads elsewhere. I still read here and comment only about things of interest not being discussed on other sites.

At Packerrats I find myself more interested in the ancillary boards right now, the Packer board not so much.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I was willing to go along with the "joke" of this thread

sorry my "joke" was not more "funny"

[Harlan Huckleby]

Does this mean you don't want my $5.00?

it seems the plan is falling apart

[Patler]

sorry my "joke" was not more "funny"

"it" is what "it" is.

[mraynrand]

it seems the plan is falling apart

Yes, but it sure exposed what some people think of this place. I'd give you five bucks. I guess I'm a cheap date. (Don't take that literally Harlan)

[Harlan Huckleby]

well, I'm not going to let this setback spoil my christmas cheer. there will be more scams & schemes to work.

[MadtownPacker]

Yes, but it sure exposed what some people think of this place.

Guess I would have to agree with that.

Patler - What can I say, wow, Im blown away. I guess I will just be totally open with you and hope you can feel me on this.

Let me start by saying I didnt have anything to do with this thread or its topic. I have zero intentions of charging to visit. If you didnt notice I dont even run ads. I have never asked for one cent even if I needed it and guess what I dont need it now. Part of what RG says is true, I was not up to the task of running the forum. You know that but what you dont know why. PackerRats, Retail, "Joe" or I have done nothing that has damaged or cost you anything other than your time which is your choice. If I didnt care about this place Im sure I could have dumped it off somehow. I was just at a time in my life when a family member was ill and my mind and time was elsewhere.

Retailguy was my friend still and someone I trusted enough to ask such a favor. Yeah what I did which was deceptive but really was it that big of a crime? At no point was this forum in any danger of not existing. I figured why not let the place have a different driver for a while. I never really did anything as "Joe" outside of a few things RG wasnt familiar with. RG was the one that handled the persona. We would talk about stuff on the phone some forum some personal. He is a good friend and a good guy. I truly did him wrong with all this and for that Im sorry. He is really the only person I owe an apology to in regard to all that mess.

If any issue is with me for not providing you the examples I said regarding your post I apologize. It was not a big deal to me but maybe it was to you. I meant nothing by it and I had just noticed things like words or grammar I had rarely seen in your post. You have always been a revered poster so it is disappointing that you no longer feel this place is worthy of your time. I wish you would reconsider but either way the show must go on and admission is always free.

[MadtownPacker]

Not sure if this is directed at me, or madtown, or Joe, or whomever. But I'll respond.

The only reason that "Joe" came about was that Madtown was burned out, and didn't want me to take over, fearing a mass exodus that in retrospect probably wouldn't have happened. There was no scam to take your money. Or anything else.

I did have plans to bring some revenue to this site. But that takes several things, some that I could do, others that I needed help for. Compounding the difficulty with that, there is a sarcastic bent to the poster population here, with an "expert" mentality that would be too preoccupied with telling me how to do it right, that they'd forget to buy the tshirt. Tshirts were never a money making proposal, I just thought it'd be cool to find someone else at a home or away game by tshirt alone. My plans had them for sale at cost + shipping actually.

Anyhow, sorry you distrust me. That's OK with me, I guess, I'm now just a regular poster with a PM box that's full. (All my great intentions didn't work out so well) So, all those plans are down the drain, but FWIW, I was very interested in having you contribute to the site when I was in charge. I felt that your knowledge would've drawn more folks here, and that would've given the site an opportunity to grow, and you to have more points of view to read, and more knowledgeable debate partners to discuss issues with. Most of those folks are gone, I believe.

Cue some sarcastic mraynrand comment, or another tangent "discussion" by Harlan to create dissention. Par for the course.... (back to your regularly scheduled programming)

RG - I am sorry man. I put you in a bad spot and was messed up to someone who did nothing to deserve it. I know there is a way we can work together but I cant let you deal with personnel things man. I dont care about making $$ I just want this place to become the best it can and I really want you to be part of it.

[mraynrand]

Cue some sarcastic mraynrand comment, or another tangent "discussion" by Harlan to create dissention. Par for the course.... (back to your regularly scheduled programming)

I enjoy making the sarcastic remark here and there. At times you need it, but that doesn't absolve me for being a jerk. Mostly you've been a great Packerrats member and are well-intentioned.

The 'bad' stuff about this site is far outweighed by the good and great stuff. That's why I said - and meant - that I would gladly pay $5. So sue me.

[retailguy]

RG - I am sorry man. I put you in a bad spot and was messed up to someone who did nothing to deserve it. I know there is a way we can work together but I cant let you deal with personnel things man. I dont care about making $$ I just want this place to become the best it can and I really want you to be part of it.

(sigh). One day I'll learn to communicate around here. Funny thing, I post on a couple of other sites and don't have this much trouble communicating. It must be me. I keep joking about an "Outlaw" forum, but I really don't know why folks can't read what I write and interpret what I meant. I'm really clueless.

I'm not pissed at anyone. I don't care where this site goes. Honestly. If it grows, it grows. If it doesn't, it doesn't. What my earlier comment meant is that I'm clueless how to get this psycho group to band together to do ANYTHING, except maybe fight and argue. My plans are useless, and my input is really not wanted by a bunch of folks here. I'm OK, with that. Well, as "OK" as one can be with that.

No hard feelings and stop apologizing. What happened was my fault. My plans were not the direction that the membership wanted, so no one supported it. Tell us what you want, and let's do that. Or lets do nothing. I don't care any more. (I mean that for what it is, it isn't some kind of pouting shot....)

Apparently when you're a moderator, you don't have the same limits on PM inboxes. When you gave me upload rights for the photos I was going to post, it took away the moderator rights I had. Now I can't respond to your PM's but can still receive them. This software rocks, for the most part, but like anything it isn't perfect. The PM stuff really sucks and I'm too lazy to do anything with it. There are some PM's that I don't want to delete and most I don't give a shit about. But you've got to go through them one at a time, and I really don't care that much to deal with it. In the meantime, I'll try to remember to email you.

[retailguy]

Actually, my distrust is not directed at you, nor any one in particular. It is an overall quality that the site has earned, of which the "Joe" saga is just a very recognizable part.

I was willing to go along with the "joke" of this thread, and suggested the more credible fee of $19.95/mo as fair since, I wouldn't pay it anyway. However, when seriously accused of being a skinflint for not being willing to pay even $5/yr., I became serious in expressing my opinions.

Rest assured, it goes way beyond "Joe". I had mostly gotten past that and was still posting regularly, as I always had. For completely other reasons, I no longer do. I rarely if ever start a thread, haven't for a few months, and I limit myself to a single reply or two in the football threads, for the most part. My reasons for backing away from the Packer board are not "Joe" related at all, but do factor into why I would not pay to continue on this site. My new thoughts and opinions I use to start threads elsewhere. I still read here and comment only about things of interest not being discussed on other sites.

At Packerrats I find myself more interested in the ancillary boards right now, the Packer board not so much.

Thanks for clarifying. No devious intent on my part, but it came off that way and I can see why you think the way you do. As far as I'm aware, there is no attempt to change anything right now. I don't believe there is a plan to start fundraising of any type, and the costs to maintain this are relatively nominal. I don't think we need any money, I was trying to raise some to invest back into the site. I wanted to approach a couple of the players foundations to make some donations in trade for access to players with chats and those types of things.

I was hoping that we could "partner" with one of the players foundations, and market their cause, building the mission of their foundation while at the same time building the credibility of the fan base here. That takes time, money, and patience. Time and patience are not in abundant supply here. The money comes with 'strings'. It isn't worth it.

Edit - (This was just one of a half dozen ideas. All took time and money, and some volunteer support...) nuff said.

I know what you mean about the Packer room. I share your belief. I'm not in there very much anymore either.

[MJZiggy]

(sigh). One day I'll learn to communicate around here. Funny thing, I post on a couple of other sites and don't have this much trouble communicating. It must be me. I keep joking about an "Outlaw" forum, but I really don't know why folks can't read what I write and interpret what I meant. I'm really clueless.

I'm not pissed at anyone. I don't care where this site goes. Honestly. If it grows, it grows. If it doesn't, it doesn't. What my earlier comment meant is that I'm clueless how to get this psycho group to band together to do ANYTHING, except maybe fight and argue. My plans are useless, and my input is really not wanted by a bunch of folks here. I'm OK, with that. Well, as "OK" as one can be with that.

No hard feelings and stop apologizing. What happened was my fault. My plans were not the direction that the membership wanted, so no one supported it. Tell us what you want, and let's do that. Or lets do nothing. I don't care any more. (I mean that for what it is, it isn't some kind of pouting shot....)

Apparently when you're a moderator, you don't have the same limits on PM inboxes. When you gave me upload rights for the photos I was going to post, it took away the moderator rights I had. Now I can't respond to your PM's but can still receive them. This software rocks, for the most part, but like anything it isn't perfect. The PM stuff really sucks and I'm too lazy to do anything with it. There are some PM's that I don't want to delete and most I don't give a shit about. But you've got to go through them one at a time, and I really don't care that much to deal with it. In the meantime, I'll try to remember to email you.

Check out the thread Tarlam! started on contacting him. There are instructions in it for downloading your PMs and clearing your inbox. I had to do it myself yesterday.

[MJZiggy]

I wanted to approach a couple of the players foundations to make some donations in trade for access to players with chats and those types of things.

I was hoping that we could "partner" with one of the players foundations, and market their cause, building the mission of their foundation while at the same time building the credibility of the fan base here. That takes time, money, and patience. Time and patience are not in abundant supply here. The money comes with 'strings'. It isn't worth it.

We did a bit of that in 2007-8. Remember we had an interview with DD's mom (who is a fantastic lady by the way--we had a lovely chat after the interview was done). I had wanted to do that with Mark Tauscher's charity as well. Problem is that in order for us to have any serious kind of exposure to "sell," we have to have more traffic to the site. And as you said, it requires elements that have to be driven by volunteer support.

[mraynrand]

I was willing to go along with the "joke" of this thread, and suggested the more credible fee of $19.95/mo as fair since, I wouldn't pay it anyway. However, when seriously accused of being a skinflint for not being willing to pay even $5/yr., I became serious in expressing my opinions.

The accusation was conditional

Rest assured, it goes way beyond "Joe". I had mostly gotten past that and was still posting regularly, as I always had. For completely other reasons, I no longer do. I rarely if ever start a thread, haven't for a few months, and I limit myself to a single reply or two in the football threads, for the most part. My reasons for backing away from the Packer board are not "Joe" related at all, but do factor into why I would not pay to continue on this site. My new thoughts and opinions I use to start threads elsewhere. I still read here and comment only about things of interest not being discussed on other sites.

At Packerrats I find myself more interested in the ancillary boards right now, the Packer board not so much.

Everything started to go downhill after you removed your avatar

[Scott Campbell]

............ the show must go on and admission is always free.

I just got a PackerRats PayPal invoice for $1500 from Sharlene Fuckleby. Are you saying it might not be legit?