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  • #16
    Thanks Wootah.

    Super-informative.

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    • #17
      what a joke of a sport. you have juicers, and guys that bitch about the juicers because they haven't been caught yet

      its like baseball and bowling, the whole damn sport is crooked and roided up

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      • #18
        Bowlers juice up now?
        C.H.U.D.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
          Nice info Wootah. So everyone is a 'cheater' - What's the point; why not let everyone dope it up? Saves money on all those tests!
          Yea, and dope or not, it still take skills to ride a bike competitively around France. Armstrong would still be my hero if I were a cycling fan. Let the man keep his titles!

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          • #20
            Was it really an unfair advantage when basically everyone was doing it?

            Not saying it is all good but if Armstrong was sick of getting beat by juicers and decided to even the playing field well I have a hard time hating on him for that.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MadtownPacker View Post
              Was it really an unfair advantage when basically everyone was doing it?

              Not saying it is all good but if Armstrong was sick of getting beat by juicers and decided to even the playing field well I have a hard time hating on him for that.
              Tienes razon. No sorpresa. Siempre tienes razon.
              [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by MadtownPacker View Post
                Was it really an unfair advantage when basically everyone was doing it?

                Not saying it is all good but if Armstrong was sick of getting beat by juicers and decided to even the playing field well I have a hard time hating on him for that.
                Plus, he was excellent at doping, apparently. Gotta recognize a man's talents!
                "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by MadtownPacker View Post
                  Was it really an unfair advantage when basically everyone was doing it?

                  Not saying it is all good but if Armstrong was sick of getting beat by juicers and decided to even the playing field well I have a hard time hating on him for that.
                  1) Armstrong was not getting beat by juicers and then decided to catch up. After his cancer he clearly was prepared to play on a leveled playing field from the get-go.

                  2) Even in doping there is an unfair advantage; you've got the wannabe's who try to experiment with some veterinarian pills bought online from Thailand and you've got the pro's who got a multimillion dollar medical staff behind them which is finetuning them like a F1 car.

                  Anyone saw his Livestrong speech last weekend? That beginning was pretty painful to watch, not quite "The Boss" we used to know.

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                  • #24
                    ... and all of a sudden we now all have just as much Tour de France victories as Lance does.

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                    • #25
                      You talk like they took away Superbowl trophies.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by MadtownPacker View Post
                        You talk like they took away Superbowl trophies.
                        only if you are a cyclist.

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                        • #27
                          Lance is going to Oprah to tell his story. Oh boy, here comes the sobbing.

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                          • #28
                            lance needs to go crawl in a hole somewhere and die

                            whats he gonna do, admit to doing it and beg for forgiveness?

                            he's not getting any. he cheated, and then for years fought as hard as possible to cover everything up, and then reaped the rewards from that cheating and conned us all into believing he was something special.

                            he's just another piece of shit.

                            go crawl in a hole lance. you're an asshole

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                            • #29
                              Only Fernando Escartin sleeps well at night.
                              "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by red View Post
                                lance needs to go crawl in a hole somewhere and die

                                whats he gonna do, admit to doing it and beg for forgiveness?

                                he's not getting any. he cheated, and then for years fought as hard as possible to cover everything up, and then reaped the rewards from that cheating and conned us all into believing he was something special.

                                he's just another piece of shit.

                                go crawl in a hole lance. you're an asshole
                                I disagree Red. Almost all the cyclists were on PEDs. For one the years that they stripped Armstrong from the title, 26 of the next 27 riders were all from teams with a doping history.

                                I still find it hard to believe that he was able to not get caught all of those years. After every stage the winner and a handful of other randomly choosen cyclist are drug tested. One year Armstrong was in the randomly picked group every day of the race and he tested negative.

                                I do agree with you on the covering it up part. That takes some big balls to go out and say you raced clean day-after-day-after-day.
                                But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

                                -Tim Harmston

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