GUNS!

[3irty1]

To my knowledge we don't have a guns thread and quite frankly we should be ashamed of ourselves.

I'm looking for a pistol and was wondering if anyone has a CZ 75 they could tell me about? I'm looking for something 9mm, full size, with a favorable combo of accuracy, reliability, and value. It seems to fit the bill but I'd like to hear the thoughts of an owner. It wouldn't be a CCW, at least not for me. I'm looking at something entry level that can get me competing in league and 3-gun.

[Freak Out]

I think most the gun talk (which there was a lot of btw) was spread through out the Dear Nutz and I am the Fuckbasket threads. Lots of good stuff. This is a good idea though.....

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There was a gun thread somewhere around here a couple years back

[Joemailman]

[George Cumby]

To my knowledge we don't have a guns thread and quite frankly we should be ashamed of ourselves.

I'm looking for a pistol and was wondering if anyone has a CZ 75 they could tell me about? I'm looking for something 9mm, full size, with a favorable combo of accuracy, reliability, and value. It seems to fit the bill but I'd like to hear the thoughts of an owner. It wouldn't be a CCW, at least not for me. I'm looking at something entry level that can get me competing in league and 3-gun.

Why that pistol and why the 9?

[3irty1]

Why that pistol and why the 9?

9mm because ammo is cheap and in a full size pistol I can expect 16+ mags. Seems like what you'd want for most competition environments. The CZ 75B because it seems like its got a really high grip. I've never shot one but I've held one and the ergonomics seemed to click which in my experience translates to accuracy. It's also a steel frame gun which feels less cheezy than comparable polymer guns. It also appeals to me that it's a proven and super popular design so parts and accessories should always be available.

[digitaldean]

Here's a CZ75B video by a reviewer I've subscribed to on YouTube. Learned quite a bit. Trying to get my first home defense firearm plus have one for my daughter to train on (she's going into criminal justice profession)

[digitaldean]

Have held a few different 9mms in local gun stores, but no one in my area had a gun range to rent guns to try out. That has changed recently, where there are now 2 in Green Bay that I can go to. (for a fee)

Love the S&W M&P 9mm (feels best in hand and IMO has nicest sites), Beretta 92FS (all metal, but fits like a glove in my hand), Beretta PX4 Storm (great ergonomics), Glock 19, Springfield XDM. Buddy of mine from work has a Springfield plus just got a S&W Shield. He asked if I wanted to go shooting sometime to try them out. May help sway my opinion one way or another! If not, I can always check out the new Cabela's in GB to double check.

From what I've read and seen, CZ has a great reputation. Tried holding a FN FNX-9 and some of the subcompact Glocks. Neither of them feel comfortable in my hand. Same for the Ruger LC-9.

Once my wife finds a new job, I hope my budget can free up so I can make that purchase!! Good luck 3irty1!

[3irty1]

Have held a few different 9mms in local gun stores, but no one in my area had a gun range to rent guns to try out. That has changed recently, where there are now 2 in Green Bay that I can go to. (for a fee)

Love the S&W M&P 9mm (feels best in hand and IMO has nicest sites), Beretta 92FS (all metal, but fits like a glove in my hand), Beretta PX4 Storm (great ergonomics), Glock 19, Springfield XDM. Buddy of mine from work has a Springfield plus just got a S&W Shield. He asked if I wanted to go shooting sometime to try them out. May help sway my opinion one way or another! If not, I can always check out the new Cabela's in GB to double check.

From what I've read and seen, CZ has a great reputation. Tried holding a FN FNX-9 and some of the subcompact Glocks. Neither of them feel comfortable in my hand. Same for the Ruger LC-9.

Once my wife finds a new job, I hope my budget can free up so I can make that purchase!! Good luck 3irty1!

I really wanted to like the Berreta M9 when I shot it. It's a good looking and well built gun but I shot pretty much everything much better. I've always been a Glock fan and that would probably be my choice for CCW. I agree with you that the S&W M&P 9 is underrated as well.

Thanks for posting the video. If you ever get a chance to shoot a CZ 75 do it! That high grip translates to a ton of accuracy! For me it was the best of all worlds. If only they were more common around here.

[MadtownPacker]

I just like anything that fits in my jacket pocket and can be pulled out easily.

[George Cumby]

9mm because ammo is cheap and in a full size pistol I can expect 16+ mags. Seems like what you'd want for most competition environments. The CZ 75B because it seems like its got a really high grip. I've never shot one but I've held one and the ergonomics seemed to click which in my experience translates to accuracy. It's also a steel frame gun which feels less cheezy than comparable polymer guns. It also appeals to me that it's a proven and super popular design so parts and accessories should always be available.

Copy that. Good reasoning. Especially the ergonomics. I went with a single stack .45 for two reasons: terminal ballistics performance and the ergs. The single stack fits my hand better than the double.

[3irty1]

I'm nearing the end of my first AR-15 build. I started a few months ago when I found a source of cheap ammo here in town. I'm waiting on a few missing pieces then I'll post pics.

Anyways, I'm looking for a new project and I'm thinking of digging in to PCP airguns. Any air gunners in here? I'd like to tap into some experience on how to get bottles/air without spending a fortune.

[SkinBasket]

So did you end up buying anything?

I've got the CZ Duty, and it's been a work horse. Eats any ammo without any issues and fits my fat hands and fingers well. The 75 is a very commonly used and appreciated firearm across the world, and usually there's a reason for that. Sounds like you know what you're doing, getting your hands on the firearm, since grip comfort is just about the most important aspect to enjoyable shooting, and everyone has different hands. The other steel frame I would recommend is the IWI (Magnum Research) Baby Eagle. We've got two in .40 and it's by far my favorite handgun as far as accuracy, comfort, and recoil go. Also very affordable. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/53610

Just recently bought the "competition" package XDM 5.25 in 9mm to use as my target gun. Getting used to my first grip safety and the double trigger, but with that long of a barrel, it's really easy to be accurate with it. Came with some extra fiber optic sights, three grips, paddle holster, mag carrier, and three 19 round magazines, and a loader. Competition folks don't like it being marketed as a competition gun due to the heavier trigger, but the only competition I'm in is shooting freshly emptied beer cans. I don't mind the polymer for 9mm, since there's little recoil anyway, and the benefit of a lighter firearm are highlighted when you have the weight of 15-19 rounds packed in there.

I'm also going to notify your local authorities about your attempt to build a rifle of mass destruction. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[3irty1]

I haven't bought anything yet. Here in Iowa you need to go to the Sheriff's office, file paperwork, get a week long background check, then go back and file more paperwork, pay $10 and you've now got permission to buy a handgun for the next year. So I took care of all that and am now watching armslist for the right CZ to show up. The one I held was a Duty and those seem overwhelmingly popular but I'm looking for a 75 B. Something full sized.

I had thought about getting myself a clone though. The most well known clones are the tanfoglio eaa witness which sold the design to the rest of the world while the CZ's where stuck behind the curtain. From what I hear they are nice guns but have branched off and innovated to the point where they aren't clones anymore and most of the parts aren't interchangeable. I'd much prefer interchangeable parts since the 2nd most popular handgun in the world is likely to have a ton of aftermarket stuff that I might just want to use.

Now what I'm thinking about is a Tristar S-120 or L-120. These are Turkish made guns made by Canik 55 and imported by Tristar. I sent them an email asking them some questions and here was their response:

The S-120 will be the identical clone of the CZ-75B. The C-100 would be the compact version of this model and our L-120 would be the lightweight version of this pistol. The parts are completely interchangeable between CZ's and ours, but there really would not be a reason to interchange the parts as our pistols are being made by a military grade factory and built under NATO spec. This means that our pistols have to pass a 40,000 round endurance test without breaking as well as all of our parts are chrome-lined and chrome-plated which gives them the utmost strength, reliably, and durability. The parts that we use in our pistols are actually stronger and of better quality than those in the CZ models.

So yeah. Might try one of those because they're cheap as dirt like the CZ 75's used to be.

[Upnorth]

One of my favorite weapons I ever shot was the FN. 7.62 round with stopping power, heavy and accurate.
I have been thinking of getting a bolt action .17 ruger to take care of skunks, large crows (cant shoot ravens here for some reason) and pidgeons. I have a question for you, I have trouble believing a .17 is so much superior to the .22, any one have experience?