GUNS!

[George Cumby]

I just like anything that fits in my jacket pocket and can be pulled out easily.

Preferably with the serial numbers ground off?

[George Cumby]

One of my favorite weapons I ever shot was the FN. 7.62 round with stopping power, heavy and accurate.
I have been thinking of getting a bolt action .17 ruger to take care of skunks, large crows (cant shoot ravens here for some reason) and pidgeons. I have a question for you, I have trouble believing a .17 is so much superior to the .22, any one have experience?

Never heard of the .17 until your post, but did a quick search and the ballistics are markedly better with the .17.

This page has a nice chart:

http://17hmr.net/index.php?topic=1134.0

Sounds like the ammo is a bit spendy though.

That FN is fun as he'll to shoot.

[Upnorth]

Never heard of the .17 until your post, but did a quick search and the ballistics are markedly better with the .17.

This page has a nice chart:

http://17hmr.net/index.php?topic=1134.0

Sounds like the ammo is a bit spendy though.

That FN is fun as he'll to shoot.

Good link, thanks. On the FN if you broke it open and switched the safety past the on positive when you reloaded it one pull of the trigger and it would shoot until it was out of bullets, fun fun.

[3irty1]

I finished my AR-15 a couple of months ago, here is a picture:



That's a Palmetto State Armory lower and upper that have been cerakoted in flat dark earth. PSA pencil barrel, BCG, and lower parts as well. Midwest Industries handguard is just 10 oz. Aero Precision scope mount is just 3 oz. Leupold AR Mod 1 1.5-4x is a freakish 10 oz despite having an illuminated reticle.



I wanted a rifle that a child could shoot it comfortably. The stock is a Magpul CTR with a after market limbsaver pad. The gun has a compensator as well so the pad is drastic overkill for recoil and muzzle climb but its useful anyways for the little extra length of pull since without it this stock has a tendency to pull out facial hair that gets into the seam where it meets the buffer tube. I've accurized it as well which I highly recommend. I lapped the face of the upper receiver that mates with the barrel nut to ensure a tight lock up which makes a shocking difference in accuracy. Even with a pencil barrel I can get 5/8" groups if I do my part with Winchester white box. The upper and lower already had a very tight fit. The trigger group is a Geissele SSA enhanced 2 stage. Total pull weight is exactly 2.3 lbs for the 1st stage and 1.2 for the 2nd stage. The AR-15 is one hell of a platform for accuracy.

It's hard to get out in the winter but I'm doing my best to collect brass and data to develop a year-round all-weather hand load. More on that when it warms up perhaps. I get pretty scientific about it, modeling barrel nodes and harmonics and such.

[SkinBasket]

Is that a gay pride towel?

[3irty1]

Is that a gay pride towel?

That's a wool blanket from Mexico. Maybe Mad can tell us why Mexicans have all the best blankets when its super hot there.

[mraynrand]

That's a wool blanket from Mexico. Maybe Mad can tell us why Mexicans have all the best blankets when its super hot there.

For Mexicans, blankets are essentially portable drywall.

[digitaldean]

Broke down and got my first handgun...FINALLY! Got a Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm. Got $50 off at Cabela's Black Friday plus for being one of the first 250 in line at Green Bay store I got a prize (was an add'l $20 gift card!)

Absolutely stoked. Here's the stock image of what it looks like since you can only get it at Cabela's..


Besides price I get 3 total magazines, a holster for the pistol, belt clip for 2 mags and an Uplula loader. I did also buy a small microvault handgun safe.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41bhl9smW6L._SY300_.jpg

Now just have to get the time to get an intro pistol or CCW class in!!

[SkinBasket]

Now just have to get the time to get an intro pistol or CCW class in!!

Fuck that. You can learn enough by watching some internet videos on stance, grip, and support and then getting range time in to find what's most comfortable/accurate for you. Obviously, make sure you remember your safety rules so you don't look like an asshole at the range, but other than that, how you shoot is going to be pretty individualized, from your grip to your stance to your posture. I would only pay someone if you find you have trouble being consistent, because then they can diagnose what you're doing wrong. But even that can be determined by where your missing most of the time. Keeping a tight, supportive frame with your arms and making sure you're leaning forward from the hips up (amazing how many people at the range you find leaning backward like their trying to get away from the gun, but to be fair, even when you "feel" like you're leaning as far forward as you can, you're usually just past upright) are about the only two things I've ever found important when helping someone shoot. Don't be afraid to use a mirror, even though it looks a little disturbing if someone walks in on you pointing a gun at your reflection in the bathroom. Naked. But the second part is optional I suppose.

Anyway, my point being - common sense will teach you the safety aspect, and practice will teach you the shooting part. I would only pay someone if I had problems.

[3irty1]

If you want to take a class then take a class. Some people learn better that way and there is no sub for a talented instructor. Skin is right though, the main thing to learn is how to practice, then to practice because shooting stances are as varied as baseball swings and the real art is having enough self-awareness to diagnose your own issues. I have been a shotgun shooter all my life but I pretty much knew jack shit about shooting a handgun. Didn't really have any friends that knew anything either. Starting at zero is difficult, I didn't use an instructor first hand but I probably should have. I had a one-on-one coach for sporting clays before and it was an excellent experience. YMMV

[Freak Out]

Fuck that. You can learn enough by watching some internet videos on stance, grip, and support and then getting range time in to find what's most comfortable/accurate for you. Obviously, make sure you remember your safety rules so you don't look like an asshole at the range, but other than that, how you shoot is going to be pretty individualized, from your grip to your stance to your posture. I would only pay someone if you find you have trouble being consistent, because then they can diagnose what you're doing wrong. But even that can be determined by where your missing most of the time. Keeping a tight, supportive frame with your arms and making sure you're leaning forward from the hips up (amazing how many people at the range you find leaning backward like their trying to get away from the gun, but to be fair, even when you "feel" like you're leaning as far forward as you can, you're usually just past upright) are about the only two things I've ever found important when helping someone shoot. Don't be afraid to use a mirror, even though it looks a little disturbing if someone walks in on you pointing a gun at your reflection in the bathroom. Naked. But the second part is optional I suppose.

Anyway, my point being - common sense will teach you the safety aspect, and practice will teach you the shooting part. I would only pay someone if I had problems.

[Freak Out]

Ok....just one more.

[digitaldean]

The main reason for me taking a class may end up being for concealed carry. Class time from a certified instructor is one of the several things needed before I could be licensed to concealed carry in just Wisconsin. In some states, you have to meet certain shooting accuracy requirements, some have others. Reason why I think it's important to be CC certified in other states is for business travel (driving to clients I have in Indiana and other states).

[SkinBasket]

The life vest is an essential shooting tool.

The main reason for me taking a class may end up being for concealed carry. Class time from a certified instructor is one of the several things needed before I could be licensed to concealed carry in just Wisconsin. In some states, you have to meet certain shooting accuracy requirements, some have others. Reason why I think it's important to be CC certified in other states is for business travel (driving to clients I have in Indiana and other states).

Yeah, I didn't mean to sound anti-class, just that it's not always essential to learn to shoot well, and oftentimes the opinions on how to shoot are like assholes. The CC stuff is different entirely obviously.

[3irty1]

God damn are AR-15's accurate. I should have built one years ago.