A Novel Theory On JFK’s Death: It Was An Accident

[LEWCWA]

The reason I like this theory is that it fits. The weapon was there, testimony is there concerning that weapon being fired, the head damage fits the ammo, helps explain how you get alot of people to buy into a coverup. Oswald was there shooting, but I believe he only shot 2x and didn't succeed. Now the conspiracy behind the attempt is still wide open for me......

[LEWCWA]

obviously he pissed off the wrong people. It seems everyone had a reason for wanting him dead!

[LEWCWA]

I just asked for your opinion, because this intrigues me. I have read quite a bit on it and have a basic working knowledge of alot of the things out there. Thing is nothing would suprise me!

[woodbuck27]

Who couldn't handle your theory. There are tons of theories out there and just about anybody who is anybody has been indicted in someone's theory. WE CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH,lol......

OK great then Mate.

What have you got from my questions of last night?

I just happen to be over here and enjoying some of the music posted by members.

I'm glad I caught you.

[woodbuck27]

I just asked for your opinion, because this intrigues me. I have read quite a bit on it and have a basic working knowledge of alot of the things out there. Thing is nothing would suprise me!

OK the do you want to fly with a discussion and this?

Did you think about my ?'s to you RE:

a) The three bum's (or hobo's) seen behind the grassy knoll.

b) The two questions RE: Jack Ruby?

[woodbuck27]

obviously he pissed off the wrong people. It seems everyone had a reason for wanting him dead!

Yes JFK had enemies.

[LEWCWA]

from what I know the 3 tramps weren't hurrying away from the scene, they were found in a rail car, brought in and released. rumors say they could have been Harrolson, Rodgers and Holt. Also Hunt and Sturgis. I'm not so sure they weren't the people from the official record Abram, Doyle and Gedney (3 transients), but I could be persuaded they were Harrolson, rodgers, and Holt......The thing that gets me is if they were and not detained wouldn't the Dallas Pd have to been involved in the conspiracy already. These were hired gun types and could have been a part of a conspiracy to kill Kennedy.

[LEWCWA]

what about Ruby. He seems to be a low level thug with loose dealings with org. crime. He seemed to have something to say, but Warren wouldn't bring him to Washington, so he just shut up. On the outside it looks like this guy was a hired gun, but he was just crazy enough to do this shit thinking it would make him a hero.

[woodbuck27]

from what I know the 3 tramps weren't hurrying away from the scene, they were found in a rail car, brought in and released. rumors say they could have been Harrolson, Rodgers and Holt. Also Hunt and Sturgis. I'm not so sure they weren't the people from the official record Abram, Doyle and Gedney (3 transients), but I could be persuaded they were Harrolson, rodgers, and Holt......The thing that gets me is if they were and not detained wouldn't the Dallas Pd have to been involved in the conspiracy already. These were hired gun types and could have been a part of a conspiracy to kill Kennedy.

OK good. Then you up on that.

What about the actual number of shots fired (witnesses hearing shots...or there being evidence passed in on gun fire ... and from one-two-three or more directions?

What did you determine and that?

[LEWCWA]

In this theory---3 shot would have been fired. I don't think the hsca ever proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were more than 3 shots. Thing is many experts say that Oswald (or whoever was in the sixth floor may have only fired 2 shots) 3 casings were found, but one was not close to the others and many people say that empty casings were kept in the MC rifle when not in use. I believe somebody shot from the sixtlh floor, I believe it is possible that the SS agent rose up with his rifle and when the 2nd shot fired he accidently fired his. This is plausible to me. I also, believe if this happened people would be much more apt to agree to a coverup to keep the prestige of the SS. Most of the other stuff, seems so nefarious to me.....but with humans I don't discount anything. We are a unique breed!

[woodbuck27]

In this theory---3 shot would have been fired. I don't think the hsca ever proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were more than 3 shots. Thing is many experts say that Oswald (or whoever was in the sixth floor may have only fired 2 shots) 3 casings were found, but one was not close to the others and many people say that empty casings were kept in the MC rifle when not in use. I believe somebody shot from the sixtlh floor, I believe it is possible that the SS agent rose up with his rifle and when the 2nd shot fired he accidently fired his. This is plausible to me. I also, believe if this happened people would be much more apt to agree to a coverup to keep the prestige of the SS. Most of the other stuff, seems so nefarious to me.....but with humans I don't discount anything. We are a unique breed!

I poste you last night and then I got busy. I began to review it all again.

About three years ago I came across a book ( **a noval) and after reading it said too myself. There... that's it. That does add up. Often it's the little things and not the huge things that can be the end of anyone.

** I reflected on what the author was saying in this novel (strictly and loosely based on real people and real events. The names weren't changed to protect the characters of real people that lived around and njear President John Fitzerald Kennedy.

Is there anyone on this planet safe from "POWERFUL PEOPLE"; if they decide to eliminate anyone? The proof lending to a "NO" response is JFC and his assassination.

I believe we agreed that JFK had enemies.he had POWERFUL ememies and some of those existed amonst the most powerful institutions in his own country or the US of A.

Looking back on his history. Who were those enemies that he created in his ways /practises?

I'll take a lead in this post and you examine it from a standpoint of agreement or not. That way you and I proceed in some balance with one another.

Today ... I'm more assured of any previous theory on what went down in Dallas on Nov. 22,1963. now and THANKS for this LEWCWA. I'm more assured that my theory does hold water. I believe my theory has a bucket full of the TRUTH minus a cup - three cups. Even the TRUTH the BEST TRUTH isn't always complete.

Enemies of JFK:

The most POWERFUL of POWER GROUPS in the US of A. I'll for our discussion change that to the USA.

JFK the President of the USA had enemies. Enemies at the highest places in your nation.

A) Can you name four (3 or 4 ... more) of JFK's enemies?

B) Did JFK have a pre-occupation with anything that he might have had to hide?

C) Is it possible that there might be a direct link between a possible answer in a response to A) and your response to B)? Maybe? look back on my previous post and a hint... to find a connection.

[woodbuck27]

Incidently the story at the top of this thread. Even if that is TRUTH.

**The kill shot arrived at the RHS of JFK's head, in my research. The Secret Service agent 's rifle even if it did accidently discharge. Would have to send a bullet on it's way to hit the Presidents head and by JFK turning his head about 90 degrees to his RHS ...in a horizontal plane. He would have had to look backwards or for any reason move his RH shoulder and head back towards the direction the motorcade came from.

That ** shot ** was enough to leave JFK mortally wounded.....or:

That wound or bullet entry point was lethal from my determination long ago.

In fact...I have to research all of that again LEWCWA to refresh my memory.

I'm not so much into all the technical stuff. It's my view that distracts from our discussion as to (why? and who? and assassination) of President JFK. This fascinating event has been over the top filled with that ..or tons of falsified stuff and wild goose chase distractions. .

[woodbuck27]

Here's some more questions and information for you LEWCWA:

1. Who is Allen Dulles?

1a) What was Allen Dulles's relationship to JFK when JFK was alive?

1b) Who was the head of the Warren Commission? How many volumes of information does the Warren Report amount to? Does that seem extreme?

1c) Looking at 1a and 1b.....Does that appointment make any sense?

2. Fidel Castro>>> Bay of Pigs >>> CIA >>> Mafia (Sam Giancana of Chicago, Santos Trafficante of Florida and Carlos Marcello of New Orleans). All three hated both Kennedy brothers (JFK and RFK), who threated the mafia's existence >>> Mafia and CIA co-operated in plots to assassinate Fidel Castro >>>That made public in the 1970's during the investigations on intelligence and assassinations.

Sam Giancana's brother Chuck, wrote a bestseller biography on him called "Double Cross".

He explains how 'the Mafia' (Organized Crime) and the CIA were "two sides of the same coin".

In that book it's revealed that Carlos Marcello sent Charles Harrelson, ***one of "the Three Tramps" and a known murderer now doing a life sentence for murdering a judge... had sent him to Dealey Plaza for assignment on Nov. 22, 1963.

***The tallest of the three or the fella in the middle.

Those three Tramps are in front >>> Charles "Frenchie" Rodgers ..CIA and in the middle Charles Harrleson ( The Father of well know actor "Woody Harrelson" )and the older fella in the rear with the hat is supposed to be one ## Chauncey 'Marvin' Holt with known CIA and Mafia connections. (dbl. agent !??)

## This ID bugs me because the 'only ' person I ever see in these Pic's as that last Tramp or older fella wearing a hat is CIA man...E. Howard Hunt.

E. Howard Hunt who operated as a plumber in the Watergate breakin', under the direction of Richard M. Nixon. On that caper E. Howard Hunt worked with a soldier of Fortune and CIA contract man Frank Sturgis.

I'll add three more names:

These were like the Bill Gates of the day back then and Texas Oil Men:

Sid Richardson, Clint Murchison and H.L. Hunt.

Can you connect any of these fellas to any names above them.

That's enough.





Too many names !

[digitaldean]

Here's a few answers for you Woody. BTW, I have kind of an interest on all the conspiracy stuff surrounding JFK's death. I was born about an hour before JFK was shot on Nov. 22, 1963. All the actions of the Warren Commission and other people around JFK make it too hard to believe Oswald acted purely by himself. There had to have been other involvement (foreign or domestic) considering the context of the situation and all those with an ax to grind vs. JFK

Here's some more questions and information for you LEWCWA:

1. Who is Allen Dulles? Dulles was the head of the CIA. He was fired by JFK after the Bay of Pigs fiasco

1a) What was Allen Dulles's relationship to JFK when JFK was alive? Dulles had a long, distiguished career in espionage until the f-up for Bay of Pigs

1b) Who was the head of the Warren Commission? How many volumes of information does the Warren Report amount to? Does that seem extreme?Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren. Report was 26 volumes

1c) Looking at 1a and 1b.....Does that appointment make any sense? You know what didn't make any sense? Sealing the evidence files until 2039. I'm sorry, but that just SCREAMS a giant C.Y.A maneuver. ?

2. Fidel Castro>>> Bay of Pigs >>> CIA >>> Mafia (Sam Giancana of Chicago, Santos Trafficante of Florida and Carlos Marcello of New Orleans). All three hated both Kennedy brothers (JFK and RFK), who threated the mafia's existence >>> Mafia and CIA co-operated in plots to assassinate Fidel Castro >>>That made public in the 1970's during the investigations on intelligence and assassinations.

Sam Giancana's brother Chuck, wrote a bestseller biography on him called "Double Cross".

He explains how 'the Mafia' (Organized Crime) and the CIA were "two sides of the same coin".

In that book it's revealed that Carlos Marcello sent Charles Harrelson, ***one of "the Three Tramps" and a known murderer now doing a life sentence for murdering a judge... had sent him to Dealey Plaza for assignment on Nov. 22, 1963.

***The tallest of the three or the fella in the middle.

Those three Tramps are in front >>> Charles "Frenchie" Rodgers ..CIA and in the middle Charles Harrleson ( The Father of well know actor "Woody Harrelson" )and the older fella in the rear with the hat is supposed to be one ## Chauncey 'Marvin' Holt with known CIA and Mafia connections. (dbl. agent !??)

## This ID bugs me because the 'only ' person I ever see in these Pic's as that last Tramp or older fella wearing a hat is CIA man...E. Howard Hunt.

E. Howard Hunt who operated as a plumber in the Watergate breakin', under the direction of Richard M. Nixon. On that caper E. Howard Hunt worked with a soldier of Fortune and CIA contract man Frank Sturgis.

I'll add three more names:

These were like the Bill Gates of the day back then and Texas Oil Men:

Sid Richardson, Clint Murchison and H.L. Hunt.These 3 were considered part of the "BIG 4" oil barons. Rumor had it that these men were tied in with LBJ to assassinate JFK

Can you connect any of these fellas to any names above them.

That's enough.





Too many names !

[LEWCWA]

I poste you last night and then I got busy. I began to review it all again.

About three years ago I came across a book ( **a noval) and after reading it said too myself. There... that's it. That does add up. Often it's the little things and not the huge things that can be the end of anyone.

** I reflected on what the author was saying in this novel (strictly and loosely based on real people and real events. The names weren't changed to protect the characters of real people that lived around and njear President John Fitzerald Kennedy.

Is there anyone on this planet safe from "POWERFUL PEOPLE"; if they decide to eliminate anyone? The proof lending to a "NO" response is JFC and his assassination.

I believe we agreed that JFK had enemies.he had POWERFUL ememies and some of those existed amonst the most powerful institutions in his own country or the US of A.

Looking back on his history. Who were those enemies that he created in his ways /practises?

I'll take a lead in this post and you examine it from a standpoint of agreement or not. That way you and I proceed in some balance with one another.

Today ... I'm more assured of any previous theory on what went down in Dallas on Nov. 22,1963. now and THANKS for this LEWCWA. I'm more assured that my theory does hold water. I believe my theory has a bucket full of the TRUTH minus a cup - three cups. Even the TRUTH the BEST TRUTH isn't always complete.

Enemies of JFK:

The most POWERFUL of POWER GROUPS in the US of A. I'll for our discussion change that to the USA.

JFK the President of the USA had enemies. Enemies at the highest places in your nation.

A) Can you name four (3 or 4 ... more) of JFK's enemies?

B) Did JFK have a pre-occupation with anything that he might have had to hide?

C) Is it possible that there might be a direct link between a possible answer in a response to A) and your response to B)? Maybe? look back on my previous post and a hint... to find a connection.

The list of enemies is long lbj, bush family, Hoover, cia folks you mentioned, castro, soviets, etc. This is the thing that really makes this thing murky. With every thing going on at that time, most of these people can be linked in some sort of way. The end of LHO really mucks it up even more. Like you said, why would Ruby shoot this man? It just reeks of underworld hit.

Your second question--I have to assume you are referring to JFK's propensity to be with a myriad of women. I guess those secrets could put him in bad deals with people in the know, but I don't see the link that would make somebody want to kill him. Hard to blackmail a dead man to your benefit.