September 11, 2001.....We Remember

[Kiwon]

The victims of 9-11 and their families deserve the truth and not government cover-ups. That's the best way to honor their memories.

Goverment coverups eh? You are joking right? If not , start a thread on it and everyone can discuss.

Clarification: Government cover-ups in the sense of whatever information President Clinton and friends are objecting to and don't want you to see in this drama based upon the 9-11 Commission's report.

I certainly don't mean government cover-ups in the sense of the conspiracy theorists that claim that 9-11 was an inside job. I would hope al-Qaeda's claims and recent videos showing the hijackers would finally discredit their contentions.

[Partial]

Do you even consider the possibility that airing the show in the first place is a political manuever for an election year?

For both movies. I vote to take it to FYI. We have one of those here. Don't ruin a good thread.

Good idea, especially in this particular situation

[the_idle_threat]

Bonus texaspackerbacker post ... shiny and new, imported with care from the mother FYI thread at JSO:

St.Louis, you God damned treasonous America-hating piece of camel sh1t, scum like you don't deserve the good life and freedom you have in America. I sincerely hope you and other ungrateful leftist trash are rounded up and tortured until you beg for death--and then tortured a little bit more--when the uprising finally occurs of good people who are fed up with tolerating America-hating traitors like you.

It may only be opening weekend, but tex is in mid-season form!

[Tarlam!]

Bonus texaspackerbacker post ... shiny and new, imported with care from the mother FYI thread at JSO:

St.Louis, you God damned treasonous America-hating piece of camel sh1t, scum like you don't deserve the good life and freedom you have in America. I sincerely hope you and other ungrateful leftist trash are rounded up and tortured until you beg for death--and then tortured a little bit more--when the uprising finally occurs of good people who are fed up with tolerating America-hating traitors like you.

It may only be opening weekend, but tex is in mid-season form!

Thanks idle! I forgot how much I loved that SOB!

[jack's smirking revenge]

All I can say is WOW. I knew Tex was hateful, but WOW.... That's the most evil thing I've heard or read in a long time.

tyler

[woodbuck27]

Before Sept.11,2001



and a Symbol of World Freedom in Peace:



Iconic structures on American soil.

then with sudden SHOCK . . . . DISBELIEF. . . .











Word of the tragedy first came to President Bush in the hallway of a school in Sarasota, Fla.,moments after the first plane hit New York's World Trade Center. President Bush tells students and the nation of "an apparent attack."



President George W.Bush on flight from Florida, to Barksdale Air Force Base, Louisiana - Sept.11,2001.



Flight 93 Crash Site.



Flight 93 crater in a field in Pennsylvania.

In President George W. Bush's Own Words.

The Speech Made by President Bush Within a Few Hours Following the September 11 Attacks. Speech made from the Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

A portion of that speech to the Nation:

" I want to reassure the American people that the full resources of the federal government are working to assist local authorities to save lives and to help the victims of these attacks. . . .

I ask the American people to join me in saying a thanks for all the folks who have been fighting hard to rescue our fellow citizens and to join me in saying a prayer for the victims and their families

The resolve of our great nation is being tested. But make no mistake: We will show the world that we will pass this test. God bless. " President George W. Bush




September 11, 2001 News - Flight 93 Heroes



Jason Dahl (43) The Pilot on United Airlines Flight 93;



The Passengers on Flight 93 who confronted the hijackers on 9/11/2001.

and one of the terrorists:



Zacarias Moussaoui. The Suspected Fifth hijacker of Flight 93
and the first 9/11 terrorist suspect to be charged.

WAR AGAINST TERROR !

Let us never forget the VICTIMS of 911.

[GBRulz]

Last night on Discovery there was a show on called "Inside the Twin Towers". While I'm not sure if they are going to show it again, I certainly hope they do. It was a mix of reinactments and actual footage/audio from the stories of 14,000 people that were interviewed. I was so tired last night, I couldn't stay up for the whole 2 hours that it was on, but I know I went to sleep with tears.

That was a point of view that not many of us are familiar with. For example, I didn't know that in the first tower, everyone above the floors of impact had no way down and that ALL staircases were destroyed from the plane. In the 2nd tower that wasn't the case because the plane came in at an angle.

I was actually VERY shocked at how calm the people were after the explosion. Many of them simply waited in their offices for emergency personnel to arrive and assist them. There were also automated announcements over the intercom telling people to stay at their desks.

I dunno, it's just a great story about how many of the people inside who IMO were just as heroic as the firefighters, but we don't hear that side as much. I just thought it was very well done and I'd definitely see if they are going to be showing it again. "Inside the Twin Towers" on the Discovery Channel.

[woodbuck27]

"St.Louis, you God damned treasonous America-hating piece of camel sh1t, scum like you don't deserve the good life and freedom you have in America. I sincerely hope you and other ungrateful leftist trash are rounded up and tortured until you beg for death--and then tortured a little bit more--when the uprising finally occurs of good people who are fed up with tolerating America-hating traitors like you. " texaspackerbacker

Such ignorance ( texaspackerbacker ) is alarming.

That is just what none of us want terrorism to do to us !

To allow terrorism, to take us to such extremely pointless and hateful and abusive anger. To allow terrorism. . . to dominate us with "that POWER" is pathetic self neglect and pointless abuse, of the common man/woman with the right of FREE speech. . . cannot be tolerated.

Interpretation is in the mind, the heart of the beholder.

texaspackerbacker is wrong to hold such an abusive stance and is radical to the nth degree. Over " the top " abusive.

It's very sad.

[HarveyWallbangers]

All I can say is WOW. I knew Tex was hateful, but WOW.... That's the most evil thing I've heard or read in a long time.

Yeah, but he's talking to St. Louis. I'm thinking St. Louis probably deserved it.

[woodbuck27]

All I can say is WOW. I knew Tex was hateful, but WOW.... That's the most evil thing I've heard or read in a long time.

Yeah, but he's talking to St. Louis. I'm thinking St. Louis probably deserved it.

NOONE deserves to be abused with the language that texaspackerbacker used in that post.

He's over the TOP out of control and "in fact" allowing terrorism to defeat himself.

Come on Harvey. Think with that wonderful mind you possess.

[woodbuck27]

Last night on Discovery there was a show on called "Inside the Twin Towers". While I'm not sure if they are going to show it again, I certainly hope they do. It was a mix of reinactments and actual footage/audio from the stories of 14,000 people that were interviewed. I was so tired last night, I couldn't stay up for the whole 2 hours that it was on, but I know I went to sleep with tears.

That was a point of view that not many of us are familiar with. For example, I didn't know that in the first tower, everyone above the floors of impact had no way down and that ALL staircases were destroyed from the plane. In the 2nd tower that wasn't the case because the plane came in at an angle.

I was actually VERY shocked at how calm the people were after the explosion. Many of them simply waited in their offices for emergency personnel to arrive and assist them. There were also automated announcements over the intercom telling people to stay at their desks.

I dunno, it's just a great story about how many of the people inside who IMO were just as heroic as the firefighters, but we don't hear that side as much. I just thought it was very well done and I'd definitely see if they are going to be showing it again. "Inside the Twin Towers" on the Discovery Channel.

911 is the most painful World event I've experienced in my life GBRulz.

When I first began to watch the events unfold on TV. I was in the beginning in disbelief. Such was the shock for me. I needed to not be alone.

GBRulz:

I feel compassion, real pain inside of me (at this moment) for what you endured watching that Docu-Drama on the Discovery Channel.

So many innocent decent people died, as did so many BRAVE Emergency Workers. . in the commission of their duty to save other's lives.

This realization causes us pain on so many levels.

[Fosco33]

Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and
tried to light it? Did you know his trial is over? Did you know he was sentenced? Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV/Radio?

Didn't think so.

Everyone should hear what the judge had to say- the ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court.

Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to
say.

His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid
also admitted his "allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the
religion of Allah," defiantly stated "I think I will not apologize for my
actions," and told the court "I am at war with your country."

Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below:

January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid. Judge Young:

"Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon
you.

On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the
custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the other.

That's 80 years. On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million. The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298..17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines. The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment.

The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further. This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence.

Let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your
terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals.

As human beings, we reach out for justice.

You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or if you think you are a soldier. You are not----- you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.

So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You're no warrior. I've know warriors.

You are a terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple
attempted murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it
right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered >where the press and where the TV crews were, and he said: "You're no big deal."

You are no big deal.

What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?

I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to
search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.

It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious.

You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges.

We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bare any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here.

Day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure. Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to see that justice - individual justice, justice, not war - individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the United States through his officers come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.

See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America. That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom. And it always s will.

Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.

So, how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets?

We need more judges like Judge Young, but that's another subject. Pass this around. Everyone should and needs to hear what this fine judge had to say.

Powerful words that strike home.

God bless America.
Please forward this---------so that every American has a chance to read it.

[GBRulz]

Somber day today.

My house is under the normal flying pattern of planes coming to land. A couple of them that came over this morning seemed really loud. Perhaps it's just the anxiety one would feel.

5 years ago today, I was sitting on the couch with my Mom pretty much glued to the TV all day long. She came into town the night before as we had this big shopping trip planned. i had taken the day off work.

[BEARMAN]

God Bless AMERICA ! Let us NEVER forget !

[Scott Campbell]

Good stuff Fosco 33.