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  • *Breaking News* N. Korea Claims Successful Nuclear Test

    From http://www.cnn.com

    SEOUL, South Korea (CNN) -- North Korea on Monday claimed it has performed a successful nuclear test, according to that country's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA).

    South Korean government officials also said North Korea performed its first nuclear test, the South's Yonhap news agency reported.

    The apparent nuclear test was conducted at 10:36 a.m. (0136 GMT) in Hwaderi near Kilju city, Yonhap reported, citing defense officials.

    "The field of scientific research in the DPRK (North Korea's official name) successfully conducted an underground nuclear test under secure conditions on October 9 ... at a stirring time when all the people of the country are making a great leap forward in the building of a great prosperous powerful socialist nation," KCNA reported.

    Late Sunday in Washington, the U.S. military told CNN it believed the report to be true, but was working to fully confirm it.

    Senior U.S. officials said they also believed the test took place.

    "The nuclear test was conducted with indigenous wisdom and technology 100 percent. It marks a historic event as it greatly encouraged and pleased the KPA (Korean People's Army) and people that have wished to have powerful self-reliant defense capability," KCNA reported.

    "It will contribute to defending the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and in the area around it."

    The U.S. Geological Survey's Rafael Abreau said the earthquake-measuring agency has not recorded any seismic activity from North Korea.

    However, South Korean intelligence officials said a seismic wave of magnitude-3.58 had been detected in North Hamkyung province, according to Yonhap.

    Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Monday information still needed to analyzed to determine whether North Korea truly conducted a nuclear test, The Associated Press reports.

    High-level South Korean officials were meeting Monday after intelligence of the suspected test was received.

    "President Roh Moo-hyun called in an emergency meeting of related ministers on Monday to discuss the North Korean nuclear issue," said Yonhap, quoting Foreign Ministry spokesman Choo Kyu-ho.

    "The meeting comes as there has been a grave change in the situation involving the North's nuclear activity."

    According to KCNA, there was no radioactive leakage from the site.

    On Friday, the U.N. Security Council warned North Korea against performing a nuclear test, citing unspecified action if it should do so.

    It also called on North Korea to return immediately to the six-party talks with China, Japan, South Korea, Russia and the United States.

    Citing American belligerence and pressure, North Korea said Tuesday that a nuclear test was in the works. A date and time for the test was not given.

    The report of the test came as Japan's new Prime Minister Shinzo Abe arrived in Seoul for meetings with President Roh Moo-hyun to address the nuclear issue as well as address strains in relations between the two countries over territorial and historical disputes.

    North Korea accused rival South Korea on Monday of committing a serious provocation by firing warning shots during a weekend incident in which the South says soldiers from the communist North crossed over their border.

    The border shooting came Saturday. South Korean soldiers rattled off about 40 warning shots after a group of five North Korean troops crossed into the southern side of the no-man's-land separating the divided Korean peninsula, South Korea said.

    No one was hurt in the incident.

    On Monday, members of the U.N. Security Council are expected to select South Korean Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon to succeed Kofi Annan as secretary-general of the world body.

    In a straw poll last Monday, all but one of the 15 council members supported that choice, according to Chinese Ambassador Wang Guangya.

    John Bolton, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, refused to discuss the outcome of the vote, but said: "I think it was sufficiently clear that all members of the council agreed to move to a formal vote on Monday night," he said. The announcement would be made Tuesday, he said.

    CNN's Jamie McIntyre, Barbara Starr, Sohn Jie-ae and Elise Labott contributed to this report

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    Uh oh

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Brando19
      Uh oh
      quoted for truth

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      • #4
        Re: *Breaking News* N. Korea Claims Successful Nuclear Test

        "The nuclear test was conducted with indigenous wisdom and technology 100 percent."

        Come on Kim....give the Pakistani who helped you so much some credit here.
        C.H.U.D.

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        • #5
          If it's good enough for Britain, India, Israel, Pakistan, France, Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, and USA, I guess it's good enough for North Korea.

          Iran is next, then who?

          Until the entire world is prepared to dismantle nuclear weapons, why, exactly, should countries forfeit their right to strive for military equaility? I know I will win no friends with this opinion, but this is one of the sparsely populated areas where I would deem American politicians to be hypocritical in their foreign policy.

          America has offered to protect Iran if they were to stop their nuclear weapons program. Iran has said "Are you serious?"

          I don't want to offend anybody. But that stance is simply too late in coming.

          As far as States accepted by the U.N. are concerned, at least one can expect negotiation before the next Bomb gets dropped over a populated area.

          My biggest concern for my children and theirs are the "dirty bombs" out there.

          I know this is a controversial post. I am anything but a liberal. But, it is a historical fact that only Americans have used Nukes in war and that fact disqualifies America from being the world's conscience in the debate.

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          • #6
            good job george

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tarlam!
              If it's good enough for Britain, India, Israel, Pakistan, France, Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, and USA, I guess it's good enough for North Korea.

              I know this is a controversial post. I am anything but a liberal. But, it is a historical fact that only Americans have used Nukes in war and that fact disqualifies America from being the world's conscience in the debate.
              Tarlam!, I respect your opinion. That said, I have to respectfully disagree.

              The moral equivalency argument simply doesn't fly. Yes, America did use nuclear weapons in warfare back in 1945. But what statement does it make that it has had this technology and not used it for 60 years? The US has every right "to be the world's conscience" because while it could have used nuclear weapons to dominate others instead it used its power to liberate billions of people from tyranny and genocide.

              What would Hitler have done with nuclear weapons if he had had the chance? What about imperialistic Japan that invaded China, Korea, and the Philippines? North Korea's economy is built off of the enslavement of about 15% of its population. They can build nuclear weapons and export missiles but can't provide farmers with tractors or rice planters. The work is done by hand.

              Iran denies the Holocaust and produces maps without Israel on them. What would they do with a nuclear weapon (nicknamed "The Islamic Bomb")? Do you really want to find out? Have you forgotten the reaction to the Dutch cartoons?

              I believe you when you say that you are not a liberal. You’re smarter than that. But there is a vocal minority in America that isn’t. They are self-loathing and take a “Blame America” approach for every evil in the world. What a clueless bunch they are! The freedoms that they enjoy in the US would get them shot elsewhere (Russian journalist killed this weekend, for example).

              America has its freedoms due to its strength. Nuclear weapons are an unfortunate reality because it puts the ability to practically destroy the world into the hands of men. However, based upon the last 60 years, I rather have that power in American hands rather than Kim, Jong-il (whose people have to worship as a god) or Mahmud Ahmadinejad (who believes that the mythical 12th Imam will return after Armageddon and that Islam will dominate the world). I suspect that deep down you do as well.

              That said, I close my post like I began it. I respect your opinion.

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              • #8
                Tarlam! and Kiwon with their posts:

                Have set up a valuable debate/discussion that we may benefit from here at PACKERRATS.

                How many topics, are more serious to discuss, in concern for OUR future generations welfare than... " the Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons " ?

                The careless man/woman declares, " but really... what can I do?"...

                Don't these, and many other questions beg to be answered in terms of your stance on World Peace and Security now and in the immediate and long term future?

                a) Is it arrogance on behalf of Great Nations like America, Great Britain, Russia, Pakistan, Israel etc. to have Nuclear capability and determine that right be restricted by/to a determined by already being capable, inner circle?

                b) Do these Great Nations operate under the guise of "the U.N. Security Council", to determine which country's may or may not promote and adopt an internal policy of protecting itself from other Nuclear Powers with it's own Nuclear capability?

                c) What exactly does the UN Security Counsil mean to you in terms of lasting world Peace and Security?

                d) Which countries should and shouldn't have Nuclear Capability? Why do you feel so?


                Weighing in with the tensions in "the Orient", between countries such as..
                N. and S. Korea, N.Korea and Japan etc. and after reading the following:

                ** "The nuclear test was conducted with indigenous wisdom and technology 100 percent. It marks a historic event as it greatly encouraged and pleased the KPA (Korean People's Army) and people that have wished to have powerful self-reliant defense capability," KCNA reported.

                and

                **"North Korea accused rival South Korea on Monday of committing a serious provocation by firing warning shots during a weekend incident in which the South says soldiers from the communist North crossed over their border.

                The border shooting came Saturday. South Korean soldiers rattled off about 40 warning shots after a group of five North Korean troops crossed into the southern side of the no-man's-land separating the divided Korean peninsula, South Korea said.

                No one was hurt in the incident"
                .

                and

                ** "The report of the test came as Japan's new Prime Minister Shinzo Abe arrived in Seoul for meetings with President Roh Moo-hyun to address the nuclear issue as well as address strains in relations between the two countries over territorial and historical disputes."

                e) Upon reading this **. Did it bother you or were you indifferent to how it speaks to you?

                There are so many questions we may ask and debate/discuss.
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                • #9
                  (nicknamed "The Islamic Bomb")?
                  Please know what your talking about before you start to type. When has Islamic nation ever used an atomic bomb? Therefore why would you label a whole faith with a bomb? Are you another 13 year old poster on this board?

                  And Tarlem, I agree 100% with you post (As usual). I think you and me think very similar when it comes to international affiars.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PaCkFan_n_MD
                    (nicknamed "The Islamic Bomb")?
                    Please know what your talking about before you start to type. When has Islamic nation ever used an atomic bomb? Therefore why would you label a whole faith with a bomb? Are you another 13 year old poster on this board?

                    And Tarlem, I agree 100% with you post (As usual). I think you and me think very similar when it comes to international affiars.
                    "Islamic Bomb" is a term miltants have used on their websites as they envision Iran having a nuclear weapon.

                    Does my writing sound like a 13 year old? Now, on the other hand, your bad grammar ("I think you and me think..) does sound rather childish.

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                    • #11
                      What we are seeing here is the logical outcome from a failed foreign policy.In 2002, Bush referred to Iraq, Iran, and North Korea as the "axis of evil." We then invaded Iraq, while refusing to engage in direct talks with the other two. Does it really surprise anyone that Iran and North Korea would accelerate their nuclear weapons programs after seeing what we did to Iraq? So we now have one country of the axis with nuclear weapons, one that is pursuing them, and one on the brink of civil war. Obviously, we wouild like to see a change in regime in North Korea, but how do you make that happen? China probably doesn't want it, because they don't want a communist regime on their doorstep going under, for a variety of reasons. As we have seen in Iraq, getting rid of a brutal regime does not automatically lead to peace and security. I wish I had a solution to offer, but the situation is so bad that it is hard to come up with good options. The North Korean government is so dysfunctional that it is hard to impose sanctions on the government without creating a huge humanitarian crisis in North Korea. Perhaps China can talk some sense into the North Koreans, but it is hard to be optimistic.
                      I can't run no more
                      With that lawless crowd
                      While the killers in high places
                      Say their prayers out loud
                      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                      A thundercloud
                      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                      • #12
                        The countries of the world that get respect and power are those that have nuclear weapons. The five nations named as permament members of the security council when the UN was formed were the ones who had nuclear weapons.

                        Why shouldn't India and PAckistan have sought nuclear weapons?
                        Why wouldn't Iran want and get nuclear weapons?

                        I'm pessimistic that N.Korea can be persuaded to avoid nuclear weapons, it is too much in their interests to pursue them. At least it will take very generous carrots and serious (non-military) sticks to dissuade them.

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                        • #13
                          I'm not impressed by N Korea. Some are calling for praise of their scientists - for what - mocking nearly archaic technology developed some 60 years ago by the US. That would be like praising someone for copying a DVD or making a lightbulb.

                          Our intelligence has indicated it was less than a kiloton weapon and couldn't be validated as nuclear. I.e., this could be a cloak and dagger technique by N Korea.

                          Their payload delivery tests have been less than stellar (long range missiles).

                          Sure, with time and money, they could develop a nuke and a working missile system. I have to believe that with all our intelligence devices, the US and world would stop them.

                          They've been able to do what lots of countries have done before - build and test a nuke. By most accounts, that's 6 weapons. The US alone has over 7,000 weapons with varying delivery systems and specialties.

                          North Korea is playing this game with all the right moves. They'll come to the diplomacy table and play the puppet UN while being able to provide other countries or groups of people with nuclear material. They want to be considered a serious country and use nukes to get a seat at the world power table.

                          I say the US keep an eye on NK but stick to Iraq and Afghanistan before messing with N Korea or Iran. If either of them prepare to strike, take them out. China, S Korea and Japan can deal immediately with N Korea with UN support.

                          You have to speak softly and carry a big stick - but also be prepared to hit someone with it if needed.
                          The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
                          Vince Lombardi

                          "Not really interested in being a spoiler or an underdog. We're the Green Bay Packers." McCarthy.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kiwon
                            Originally posted by Tarlam!
                            If it's good enough for Britain, India, Israel, Pakistan, France, Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, and USA, I guess it's good enough for North Korea.

                            I know this is a controversial post. I am anything but a liberal. But, it is a historical fact that only Americans have used Nukes in war and that fact disqualifies America from being the world's conscience in the debate.
                            Tarlam!, I respect your opinion. That said, I have to respectfully disagree.

                            The moral equivalency argument simply doesn't fly. Yes, America did use nuclear weapons in warfare back in 1945. But what statement does it make that it has had this technology and not used it for 60 years? The US has every right "to be the world's conscience" because while it could have used nuclear weapons to dominate others instead it used its power to liberate billions of people from tyranny and genocide.

                            What would Hitler have done with nuclear weapons if he had had the chance? What about imperialistic Japan that invaded China, Korea, and the Philippines? North Korea's economy is built off of the enslavement of about 15% of its population. They can build nuclear weapons and export missiles but can't provide farmers with tractors or rice planters. The work is done by hand.

                            Iran denies the Holocaust and produces maps without Israel on them. What would they do with a nuclear weapon (nicknamed "The Islamic Bomb")? Do you really want to find out? Have you forgotten the reaction to the Dutch cartoons?

                            I believe you when you say that you are not a liberal. You’re smarter than that. But there is a vocal minority in America that isn’t. They are self-loathing and take a “Blame America” approach for every evil in the world. What a clueless bunch they are! The freedoms that they enjoy in the US would get them shot elsewhere (Russian journalist killed this weekend, for example).

                            America has its freedoms due to its strength. Nuclear weapons are an unfortunate reality because it puts the ability to practically destroy the world into the hands of men. However, based upon the last 60 years, I rather have that power in American hands rather than Kim, Jong-il (whose people have to worship as a god) or Mahmud Ahmadinejad (who believes that the mythical 12th Imam will return after Armageddon and that Islam will dominate the world). I suspect that deep down you do as well.

                            That said, I close my post like I began it. I respect your opinion.
                            Yeah. I totally agree. Not like in our Country where our president believes some dead guy arose from the dead and will return. Pretty sane belief. Or that the Rapture is coming. LOL

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                            • #15
                              TB, I rather live in a country where most of my leaders follow Christianity rather than other religions, philosophies, or cults. Modern history proves this point again and again.

                              You're free to believe that "some dead guy" as you put it referring to Jesus, didn't exist or that he died and wasn't resurrected or that he will not return to make this world a better place. You have that freedom in America. You don't have that same freedom in many countries around the world.

                              I am not ashamed to say that I believe that Jesus lived, He died and was resurrected, and will come again one day. I believe that He was 100% man and 100% God in the flesh. He's my Savior and Lord and I am not ashamed to say so.

                              Ridicule all you want but America's Christian roots have helped the USA to be a source of good in this world. This truth is completely obvious.

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