Global Warming

[rdanomly]

sorry, i forget people hate to actually research something themselves before forming an opinion and discussing it. they like the shortened, out of context info where an opinions already been formed for them. it helps us think less

the two articles i posted were replies to the claims merlin made

they discuss the articles where merlin got his ideas from and explain how they were made, ad put other claims into context

and the out of date article directly talked about the guys Robinson and Robinson whose article is where merlin got most of his figures

Thanks for posting the content Red. I hadn't come across those articles before.

[SkinBasket]

sorry, i forget people hate to actually research something themselves before forming an opinion and discussing it. they like the shortened, out of context info where an opinions already been formed for them. it helps us think less

the two articles i posted were replies to the claims merlin made

they discuss the articles where merlin got his ideas from and explain how they were made, ad put other claims into context

and the out of date article directly talked about the guys Robinson and Robinson whose article is where merlin got most of his figures

Well, now we know why the hell you posted them. And we aren't here to research for fuck's sake, we're here to have a semi-educated, poorly informed, insult-slinging debate. At least that's what I'm here for. And the free ice cream. Oh, shit it already melted. You can add that to your research data, buddy.

[Kiwon]

sorry, i forget people hate to actually research something themselves before forming an opinion and discussing it. they like the shortened, out of context info where an opinions already been formed for them. it helps us think less

the two articles i posted were replies to the claims merlin made

they discuss the articles where merlin got his ideas from and explain how they were made, ad put other claims into context

and the out of date article directly talked about the guys Robinson and Robinson whose article is where merlin got most of his figures

I appreciate your effort, Red. There are opinions and there are informed opinions. People generally hear what they want to hear, but research and debate is healthy. Being open-minded and intellectually honest is another matter.

Something really stinks when scientists, meteorologists, and climatologists have their jobs threatened, are compared to Holocaust deniers or worse because they have another view of the scientific data. Why is the only acceptable conclusion that human beings are destroying the planet?

When politicians, corrupt U.N. bureaucrats, journalists, and performers are the driving force of the latest science then something is very suspect. These are people who couldn’t begin to explain the data and reasons behind their beliefs. Talk about uniformed!

Why isn’t Ted Danson and those he represented trashed for declaring that the oceans would be dead by 1998? The science was wrong. Why doesn’t that matter?

Again, why is the only acceptable (not probable or likely) cause of global warming, human activity? Why is research and debate a threat to the status quo?

[red]

why do you insist on throwing away the research thousands of scientists have done, as not having enough pure hard facts. but trust a handfull that say the others are wrong?

what do those thousands of scientist have to gain? most won't make a dime off it. most won't recieve fame. so what would they gain for decieving us? why would they then do it?

i will say that i hate the fact this has become a political issue, because you know as well as i do that politicians will find a way to lie and cheat the facts to make it advantages to them. meaning we might not ever get the real facts

it seems to me when i was looking some things up earlier, that many of the things said against the global warming theory came from just a few sources, and everyone else on other sites listed them as the sources for why they believe global warming is a myth.


for me, when i dig into things, i try and look at both sides, and see what the other has to say

for me, side A says global warming is happening, because of thing 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

the media runs with it

side B comes out and says. global warming doesn't exsist because we looked at 2, 4, and 5. and we got different answers

the media runs with that

side A comes back and says, this is what side B did to get those results. and they did it wrong. for item 2 they took this group of evidence and applied this form of science to it and got the answer. that form of science as been should to not work, because of this that and the other. they got item 2 wrong because they were looking at this instead of that, and item 5 is a flat out lie because those things are made up and don't even exsist, and the guy is not even a scientist, he's a gynocologist

side B calls side A a bunch of poopey heads, just out to make money

news sites 1, 2, and 3 pick up on side A's latest statement

news site F, ignores the new stuff from side A, and continues with the info that side B gave

now the people that watch the first 3 news sites got everything thats been put out

the people that watch news F, only know what side 2 had to say, and have no clue those theories have been shown to be false. and they like it because it makes them happy, so they question nothing more

thats where i see our country at this point

and to me i see the global warming folks beig side A and anti-GW being side B

i haven't seen the anti crew come back and combat the claims that they were wrong and dissmiss those claims and show why they were right. i just see them sticking to their guns that they were right the first time

[Charles Woodson]

I still dont understand why the hell everyone cares. I mean it seems like "IF" and thats a fucking big if, If global warming is real i dont think the side effects will take place while me or my children hell or even my grand children are alive, i mean yea im self centered about this subject but i dont understand why we put so much crap into this, btw i like in miami, where i can breath fresh air, and swim in the ocean, to me miami was never cold to begin with adn its not going to change because of global friken warming

[BallHawk]

I still dont understand why the hell everyone cares. I mean it seems like "IF" and thats a fucking big if, If global warming is real i dont think the side effects will take place while me or my children hell or even my grand children are alive, i mean yea im self centered about this subject but i dont understand why we put so much crap into this, btw i like in miami, where i can breath fresh air, and swim in the ocean, to me miami was never cold to begin with adn its not going to change because of global friken warming

I suggest you watch "An Inconvenient Truth" and then I'd be interested to see if your opinion is the same.

[rdanomly]

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[HarveyWallbangers]

I suggest you watch "An Inconvenient Truth" and then I'd be interested to see if your opinion is the same.

Yeah, I get all of my non-partisan information from sources like Al Gore. Next thing, you'll suggest people watch Fahrenheit 9/11 (or is it Fahrenhype) as a biography on George Bush.

[BallHawk]

I suggest you watch "An Inconvenient Truth" and then I'd be interested to see if your opinion is the same.

Yeah, I get all of my non-partisan information from sources like Al Gore. Next thing, you'll suggest people watch Fahrenheit 9/11 (or is it Fahrenhype) as a biography on George Bush.

Fahrenheit 9/11 and AIT are completely different movies. Michael Moore is a pompous idiot who disregards everything sensible to prove his point. Gore and Moore are completely different in their ways.

[Charles Woodson]

I suggest you watch "An Inconvenient Truth" and then I'd be interested to see if your opinion is the same.

Yeah, I get all of my non-partisan information from sources like Al Gore. Next thing, you'll suggest people watch Fahrenheit 9/11 (or is it Fahrenhype) as a biography on George Bush.

Fahrenheit 9/11 and AIT are completely different movies. Michael Moore is a pompous idiot who disregards everything sensible to prove his point. Gore and Moore are completely different in their ways.

but the fact that its al gore is the reason why i wont/havent seen it

[digitaldean]

I agree we need to cut our emissions and find PLAUSIBLE alternative energy sources.

I do remember, however, a Newsweek article from April of 1975 called "The Cooling World" about how scientists were worried about global cooling. (yes, cooling). Another Ice Age was predicted.

There are scientists that believe the global warming issue a myth. There are well-known scientists in other countries that have recanted their stances on global warming being caused by man's creating CO2.

I am NOT a scientist by any stretch. But portraying those who disagree with the global warming theory the same as Holocaust deniers (Ellen Goodman, Boston Globe) is a bit much.

Reasonable discussion on both sides should get this rectified. But reason is in short supply. Smearing those who disagree with your stance is the order of the day.

[Freak Out]

Why isn’t Ted Danson and those he represented trashed for declaring that the oceans would be dead by 1998? The science was wrong. Why doesn’t that matter?

Spend any time in the oceans? I could give a fuck if Cheers boy missed it by a decade or three were dumping so much crap in the worlds ocean we are killing them along with everything that lives in them.
Pay attention.

[BallHawk]

CW, why don't you like Al Gore?

[Kiwon]

Why isn’t Ted Danson and those he represented trashed for declaring that the oceans would be dead by 1998? The science was wrong. Why doesn’t that matter?

Spend any time in the oceans? I could give a fuck if Cheers boy missed it by a decade or three were dumping so much crap in the worlds ocean we are killing them along with everything that lives in them.
Pay attention.

I agree; pay attention to what is taking place now. Stewardship of the environment should be a concern of everyone.

It's the dire doom-and-gloom predictions that are laughable and discourage people from being more environmentally conscious.

Most of the world is covered with water and fishing has sustained mankind for thousands of years. Do you really believe that people are going to "kill" the oceans and all the sea life in them?

[MJZiggy]

Maybe not the whole ocean ecosystem, but have you spoken to any fishermen lately? I haven't but from what I've heard, they aren't doing so well. It would also be nice to have a nice meal of fish without the added mercury, thanks. Pregnant women have to limit their fish intake for the health of the fetus? Doesn't sound quite right to me.