Don Imus - suspended

[MadtownPacker]

Now Tyrone, lets not get ahead of ourselves. None of us have a avatar of a "crack smoking" black man. Shouldnt we be offended? I bet Rev Sharpton wouldnt like it.

With that said, I heard the actual broadcast last night and after the "nappy" comment this imus dude made other comments (something about spiuke lee chraracters) that I felt made it very racial.

Does it bother me?

As someone who has actually dealt with racism and not just whined about it (just last October) I have to say no.

Was it nice or right of imus? No, but he aint really on my radar in the first place so I just chalk it up as another cracka speaking his mind. His right, his problem.

Opps, now Im the racist.

[Scott Campbell]

Could I call your wife ugly and then not expect you to get upset..or at least her. If she gets upset is she politically correct.

I never said the players couldn't be upset. Let them be upset. So what.

My wife would probably kick you in the nuts. Then I'd laugh and call you a dumbass. But I guarantee that Reverend Al and Jesse would be nowhere to be found. And there would be no calls for you to lose your job.

Imus said it to get a reaction. When you're in his kind of work, any kind of publicity is good publicity. And fools like you, Sharpton and Jackson unwittingly play right into his hands.

Is it ratings season in radio?

[Joemailman]

I don't know that white males are really qualified to judge how hurtful the comments may, or may not have been to young, mostly black girls. It should be remembered that 5 of the team members are less than a year removed from high school, certainly not adults. To suddenly be thrust into the public spotlight in such a negative way certainly was grossly unfair to them.

That said, to hear Al Sharpton appointing himself as judge and jury because someone made racially inciteful remarks seems a bit much. Ultimately, whether Imus is fired will probably depend on how many advertisers pull ads, which has started already. If this trend continues, Imus is toast.

[mraynrand]

I'm no prude...enjoy stern, etc.

LOL. Stern can denigrate retarded people, midgets, and white prostitutes, but boy that Imus, HE crossed a line. It might have been interesting if a reporter at that Rutgers press conference had asked some of the athletes what music they had on their iPods and had examined the 'lyrics.' The giant elephant in the room is the realization that the culture in general has dramatically degraded, and only because of political correctness (read: racial overtones) was Imus singled out from amongst a population of moral degenerates.

[GoPackGo]

if anyone wants to read a good book read "White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era", by Shelby Steele

[Merlin]

Re: Don Imus - suspended

Don Imus joked and in a 2-second comment referred to members of the mostly black Rutgers team as "nappy-headed hos."

Will everyone who says something like this get suspended? I hope so, because it will mean no more rap songs playing on my radio.

They have the right to fire him. There is a reason Imus won't get fired, he's on the same side as a majority of the media. Rush got canned because he isn't on the same side. It's all political bullshit.

Rush got canned for making an observation about McNabb and his abilities (or lack there of in this case) and how the media hyped him because he was black, which is somewhat true. I agree that McNabb is over-rated and I also agree he is over-hyped. I don't care what color he is but you know the media does.

Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton are two if the biggest racists in this country. They are always sticking their foot in their mouth with white trash talk and they never apologize to anyone, ever.

There is so much hypocrisy in all of this that it's sickening. If it weren't for a lot of the crap on TV, the people they let vent on TV, racism would not be nearly as predominant as it is. And YES, Rap music is a major contributor to it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Explain to me the humor in demeaning the women based on being a woman and their race?

listened to any popular rap lately?

Obviously this is gonna be another of those "We blacks can say that, but you crackers....not so much"

Um, when they do it in rap it isn't to get laughs. Not that hard to understand.

My question was explain the humor of Imus's comments. Please elucidate.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Now Tyrone, lets not get ahead of ourselves. None of us have a avatar of a "crack smoking" black man. Shouldnt we be offended? I bet Rev Sharpton wouldnt like it.

With that said, I heard the actual broadcast last night and after the "nappy" comment this imus dude made other comments (something about spiuke lee chraracters) that I felt made it very racial.

Does it bother me?

As someone who has actually dealt with racism and not just whined about it (just last October) I have to say no.

Was it nice or right of imus? No, but he aint really on my radar in the first place so I just chalk it up as another cracka speaking his mind. His right, his problem.

Opps, now Im the racist.

madtown..context, baby, context.

Chappel show is a comedy show. Imus isn't a comedy show. He long ago left the ranks of Mancow, Stern, Bubba, etc. When he started interviewing pols and other major figures he put himself in the mainstream press/media.

Imus's comments were sexist and racist. That is fine for a "wacky" dj. Imus isn't that.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Could I call your wife ugly and then not expect you to get upset..or at least her. If she gets upset is she politically correct.

I never said the players couldn't be upset. Let them be upset. So what.

My wife would probably kick you in the nuts. Then I'd laugh and call you a dumbass. But I guarantee that Reverend Al and Jesse would be nowhere to be found. And there would be no calls for you to lose your job.

Imus said it to get a reaction. When you're in his kind of work, any kind of publicity is good publicity. And fools like you, Sharpton and Jackson unwittingly play right into his hands.

Is it ratings season in radio?

First, tyrone is no fool. Nothing i've posted on this subject is foolish or without logic or merit. If you disagree that is your right, but i'm not arguing out of emotion or stupidity.

If I said it...no comparison. I'm a sole individual. If I said it to your wife while we were both employed at the same company or i said it while at work about her...other employees would certainly go to HR about my "attitude."

Imus is part of the mainstream media. He isn't a stern, etc.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'm no prude...enjoy stern, etc.

LOL. Stern can denigrate retarded people, midgets, and white prostitutes, but boy that Imus, HE crossed a line. It might have been interesting if a reporter at that Rutgers press conference had asked some of the athletes what music they had on their iPods and had examined the 'lyrics.' The giant elephant in the room is the realization that the culture in general has dramatically degraded, and only because of political correctness (read: racial overtones) was Imus singled out from amongst a population of moral degenerates.

You and the rest miss the point. Stern is a shock jock. Imus is part of the mainstream media. He is no different than Rush, Rather, etc.

Therefore the behavior from him as to be held at a higher level than stern. Why do you think that no one is bringing up stern, mancow, bubba, etc.? Because everyone realizes there is a difference tween them and Imus. except for you. Time to put on your thinking cap.

It has nothing to do with PC..the typical bs argument to explain away horrible behavior.

As for what is on their Ipods. Straw man argument. First, you don't know what they are listening to at all. But, you are trying to establish hypocrisy. Nice. Once again you are stereotyping a group of people. How do you know they don't listen to gospel or R&B? Your thought process is racist.

Furthermore, even if they are listening rap that has some offensive lyrics..that isn't the same. Those lyrics aren't directed towards a specific group..aka the rutgers team.

Once again, please explain the humor in his comments. My point is that I have a fairly good sense of humor..evidenced by my avatar and enjoyment of other shock jocks. But, i listened to Imus and didn't find it funny..only sexist and racist.

[swede]

Most of us are amused by Chappelle and we laugh at the irony, the shock value, and the uncomfortable subject matter.

There is a double standard in our nation, though. Chappelle can lampoon blacks and whites and jews and Mexicans without any fear of someone not "getting" his humor or pretending not to see the greater message beyond the foul language, the cruel generalizations and the name calling that make up his stuff. He can do this because he is black. White comedians can't play at that game. In fact, many members of the African American community in my little town routinely use apalling race-based language to address one another both in friendship and in anger. White folks may not play at that game. This is a "blacks only" form of entertainment. I don't get that. I wish more black leaders would speak against it.

As for Imus, the man actually tries to be a crossover act between ridiculous and serious. He has always utilized disgusting and abusive humor, usually material that is put out there by one of his minions while he chuckles at it. And. yes, he will interview national political figures in a semi-serious manner during the same half-hour of his show.

I am not amused by what Imus said. But I don't for a second think he meant to hurt anyone. He lives in a world where he says cruel and hurtful things about all sorts of people all the time without anyone caring. He could have interviewed Dave Chappelle and asked him why the world needed another nappy-headed comedian and everyone would have laughed.

Imus forgot that some of the world's celebrities are innocents that should be protected from the cruel abuse that functions as entertainment in our society.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Most of us are amused by Chappelle and we laugh at the irony, the shock value, and the uncomfortable subject matter.

There is a double standard in our nation, though. Chappelle can lampoon blacks and whites and jews and Mexicans without any fear of someone not "getting" his humor or pretending not to see the greater message beyond the foul language, the cruel generalizations and the name calling that make up his stuff. He can do this because he is black. White comedians can't play at that game. In fact, many members of the African American community in my little town routinely use apalling race-based language to address one another both in friendship and in anger. White folks may not play at that game. This is a "blacks only" form of entertainment. I don't get that. I wish more black leaders would speak against it.

As for Imus, the man actually tries to be a crossover act between ridiculous and serious. He has always utilized disgusting and abusive humor, usually material that is put out there by one of his minions while he chuckles at it. And. yes, he will interview national political figures in a semi-serious manner during the same half-hour of his show.

I am not amused by what Imus said. But I don't for a second think he meant to hurt anyone. He lives in a world where he says cruel and hurtful things about all sorts of people all the time without anyone caring. He could have interviewed Dave Chappelle and asked him why the world needed another nappy-headed comedian and everyone would have laughed.

Imus forgot that some of the world's celebrities are innocents that should be protected from the cruel abuse that functions as entertainment in our society.

You make some good points.

However, Chappel is a comedian, Imus isn't. Imus long ago crossed over into the serious media. If he wasn't, MSNBC wouldn't be carrying him. More to the point, Chappel picks on targets that have long ago put themselves out there.michael jackson, jesse jackson, etc. These types have long ago lost some of their right to privacy. However, a bunch of collegiate athletes isn't in that group. You are close when you say celebs, but these women aren't celebs. And, while they are put on tv, they aren't entertainers. If so, then they need to get paid. I realize of course they do receive compensation for their efforts, but in no way is it equal to their true value.

Black Leaders: Many of them do speak about it. The N word debate is ongoing. there is no consensus, just as there is no "white" consensus on all issues.

Inter race comm: While I do agree that white comedians can't get away with as much as minority comedians...they had free reign for about 100 years. I don't think 30 years for minorities is to much to give.

As for how they address each other. This is simple. Each group can make fun of itself or use their own wording, but others can't. It is quite simple. And, it doesn't have anything to do with race. For example, your wife can call herself fat and bemoan her fate, but you best duck if you call her that. This double standard has always existed. People ned to get over it.

The problem is that most "white" people don't view themselves as a group therefore they lose that dynamic. Black people, by virtue of whites have had to band together..at least american blacks (side note, africans and caribbean blacks don't see themselves as the same as am blacks). Since whites have been the dominant group (northern euros) they haven't banded together..or had a slur against them. I can't think of what one would call a scot, brit, scandi, etc. S. Euros of course have had a different experience...Eyeties, wop, etc...as have had the irish..drunks, micks, etc.

Interview: You are most likely right. And, Chappel could have countered. but, this wasn't an interview and the rutgers team wasn't afforded the opportunity to counter or disprove his comments.

His comments are patently sexist and racist. Now, make no mistake. I am not calling for him to be fired. Everyone is allowed to say stupid shit...sometimes repeatedly. But, for those to say this is being overblown, that is ridiculous. If it isn't addressed that is paramount to agreeing or condoning that type of behavior.

[Jimx29]

MP......I suppose "Nappy-Headed Ho Rat", is out of the question?

[mraynrand]

I'm no prude...enjoy stern, etc.

LOL. Stern can denigrate retarded people, midgets, and white prostitutes, but boy that Imus, HE crossed a line. It might have been interesting if a reporter at that Rutgers press conference had asked some of the athletes what music they had on their iPods and had examined the 'lyrics.' The giant elephant in the room is the realization that the culture in general has dramatically degraded, and only because of political correctness (read: racial overtones) was Imus singled out from amongst a population of moral degenerates.

You and the rest miss the point. Stern is a shock jock. Imus is part of the mainstream media. He is no different than Rush, Rather, etc.

Therefore the behavior from him as to be held at a higher level than stern. Why do you think that no one is bringing up stern, mancow, bubba, etc.? Because everyone realizes there is a difference tween them and Imus. except for you. Time to put on your thinking cap.

It has nothing to do with PC..the typical bs argument to explain away horrible behavior.

As for what is on their Ipods. Straw man argument. First, you don't know what they are listening to at all. But, you are trying to establish hypocrisy. Nice. Once again you are stereotyping a group of people. How do you know they don't listen to gospel or R&B? Your thought process is racist.

Furthermore, even if they are listening rap that has some offensive lyrics..that isn't the same. Those lyrics aren't directed towards a specific group..aka the rutgers team.

Once again, please explain the humor in his comments. My point is that I have a fairly good sense of humor..evidenced by my avatar and enjoyment of other shock jocks. But, i listened to Imus and didn't find it funny..only sexist and racist.

Imus is considered closer to a shock-jock than the mainstream media. That's what I've heard; I've never really watched/listened to him. But I don't find it funny any more than I found Stern's insulting, mysogynist crap funny. Both Stern and Imus need to be held to a higher standard, ABOVE what Imus spews. The only difference between Stern and Imus is that Imus perhaps isn't as consistently disgusting and corrupt as Stern, and has been able to survive outside of Sirius radio. That was my point and you missed it.

The lyrics of hip hop is directed at all women and thus includes the Rutgers women, making it even worse than Imus, because it's more pervasive and routinely insulting and demeaning.

Yes I'm stereotyping a whole group of people - they're called young people - black, white, etc. - most listen to hip hop and have it on their iPods. How do I know? Because my kids' friends are white, black, etc. and I've looked at what they have on their iPods. Nice try, race-baiter. You just can't stand the idea that someone is calling the culture morally degenerate. You're the hypocrite for trying to defend the indefensible crap of Stern.

[mraynrand]

Imus's comments were sexist and racist. That is fine for a "wacky" dj. Imus isn't that.

What a fraud you are. You'll accept racists sexist remarks from a "wacky" dj, but deplore them from someone else. So in other words, you have to establish yourself as a moral degenerate in order to make racists, misogynistic language acceptable? Well, join the ranks. Conditional morality, eh? In my opinion, you have no credibility.