Don Imus - suspended

[Joemailman]

I'll be damned...Jason Whitlock actually made it on to one of the 24/7 news channels and says Jackson and Sharpton are terrorist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZQXaXmCW4

Okay, I'm mad now. How dare he go on TV and hurt the underground economy by exposing the shake-down industry!

Jesse's got a love child to support. Al doesn't wear the same $3,000 suit twice. He don't know who he's messin' with. Watch out, Jason. Pacman Jones has time and needs some work.

Don't meddle in the bidness of The Justice Brothers!

I agree with much of what Whitlock said, although using the word terrorist was a bit much. Actually Kiwon, I wouldn't focus too much on Jesse's role in this. I think he's a has-been. This was Sharpton's show, and he played it for all it was worth. This whole thing might have had a different ending if the Rutgers coach had been the focal point instead of Sharpton. I pretty much agreed with everything she said.

[mraynrand]

It is amazing that you are so certain the non-white people hired lack the same skills you have or deprived you of your "rightful" position.

It wasn't mine, or anyone elses rightful position. The position should have gone to those most qualified. Period. Minorities were not held to the same hiring/washout standard that whites were. That's just how it was. Everybody knew it, and knew why we had to do it. Unfortunately minorities didn't apply for the job at the same rate as whites, so when they did get ahold of one they went to somewhat extreme lengths to get them through the program.

Thomas Sowell makes a strong argument, supported by extensive research and data, that quotas, especially at law schools and medical schools, really hurt blacks more that they helped. What happened is that a lot of blacks were admitted to schools that were above their acheivement level. It's not that they weren't competent at a particular level, just that they'd been admitted to harder programs for which they weren't prepared. It was not a reflection of lesser abilities of minorities, rather a numbers game. If only a small population of a race is applying for a program, only a small fraction will be capable of handling the harder curriculum of top schools. Thus if minorities are admitted according to a quota at all schools, the minorities will disproportionately drop out of the harder programs. That's what happened to blacks, largely in the 70s.

The moral of the story is that the best method to acheive equality of opportunity isn't extreme egalitarianism, with a push for equality of outcome. If we only cared about equality of outcome, then we would certainly try to keep the children of first generation (legal) immigrants out of schools, as they are disproportionately the most successful students in America. I believe the best method is to attempt to bolster the family and family values. Cohesive families are the key. I used to see this all the time in San Jose - Vietnamese families, sometimes 6-8 living in a two bedroom apartment, had the best behaved, highest acheiving kids in the schools. Just go to any school/university on a Friday night and look at who is studying at the library. Family mattered and the values that a lot of us take for granted (love of country, self-reliance, hard work, respect for authority, love of family, trust in God) were evident. No amount of affirmative action can short cut the postitive effect of these values.

[Mazzin]

I guess im just an idiot, no one wants to talk to me about this shit at ALL since i posted that double standard vid.

[the_idle_threat]

I guess im just an idiot, no one wants to talk to me about this shit at ALL since i posted that double standard vid.

Be careful what you wish for, kiddo. People aren't talking to each other in this thread so much as talking past each other.

Vid? I missed that, btw.

[MadtownPacker]

This thread sucks.

[Mazzin]

Yupp....it was a link
watch it

[Kiwon]

I agree with much of what Whitlock said, although using the word terrorist was a bit much.

I agree that the terrorist part isn't accurate. They use more mafia-style tactics. Intimidation and threats of protests are very effective. It's kind of like nuisance lawsuits. It just easier for the companies to capitulate rather than to fight it out in public.

Anyone remember Jesse Jackson's visit with Ron Wolf after Ray Rhodes got fired? The Packers, the team in the smallest market, became the first team in NFL history with a Black head coach, offensive coordinator, and defensive coordinator. The Packers demonstrated that they were color-blind in their coaching decisions and should have gotten enormous credit for their actions.

But when Rhodes gets canned after a 8-8 record, here comes Jesse Jackson and interjects himself into this situation. Wolf's decision to fire Rhodes had to pass some "fairness" test that only Jackson is allowed to administer.

I respect someone like Jason Whitlock for shining the light on the Right Reverends Jackson and Sharpton. These guys are media darlings and their message of victimhood never goes out of style. IMHO, Jackson and Sharpton are as powerful today as they ever were. Whitlock's the one whose career will take a hit because he took on these two race-hustlers and addressed the self-inflicted problems facing Black Amercia.

[Scott Campbell]

I guess im just an idiot, no one wants to talk to me about this shit at ALL since i posted that double standard vid.

I replied on page 5.

[Merlin]

How is your religion surpressed?

Very simple, in many places in the country, if you say you are a christian your every word is scrutinized, but if you say you are Islamic, they bow to your every command. That's a sad reality...

[Merlin]

is okay? And it's okay for black comedians to say wtfever they want?

The second ANY white person says anything close to that, you think it's wrong? WOW...THAT is hypocritical.

I completely understand what you are saying. However, the one side wasn't enslaved by this country for a few hundred years. Please, NEVER lose sight of that. Yes, the current generation isn't responsible for that. It wasn't but 50 years ago that this country was segragated. I'm in no way a bleeding heart liberal because I almost always vote conservative but I'll never discount the lingering effects of the blatent, unjust, disgusting way American citizens were treated for hundreds of years.

How long ago was slavery? My family wasn't even in this country back then. MOST blacks can't even trace their ancestry back to then let alone to Africa. That was then, this is now. It's time to move on (Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farakan, etc.). The point is, these people make it impossible to move on...

[Merlin]

Face it, we live in a society of sensationalism. Everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame, why I have no idea. Slavery is against the law, discriminating against someone because of their race is against the law, it's time to move on. Affirmative action needs to go because it violates the law. The best person should get the job regardless of anything. I don't care if they are purple, from the planet mars, like to have sex with squirrels and worship taco's as their god. If they can do the job, then they get the job. Just don't go telling us about your sex life , your religion or your politics while you are on the job.

Don't ask don't tell, that is the best way to keep everyone happy.

[falco]

How is your religion surpressed?

Very simple, in many places in the country, if you say you are a christian your every word is scrutinized, but if you say you are Islamic, they bow to your every command. That's a sad reality...

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[Joemailman]

Yep, ever since 9/11, all my former Christian friends claim to be Muslim because they know they'll be treated better. In fact, they're tearing down the Catholic church I was going to to make room for a mosque.

[Rastak]

is okay? And it's okay for black comedians to say wtfever they want?

The second ANY white person says anything close to that, you think it's wrong? WOW...THAT is hypocritical.

I completely understand what you are saying. However, the one side wasn't enslaved by this country for a few hundred years. Please, NEVER lose sight of that. Yes, the current generation isn't responsible for that. It wasn't but 50 years ago that this country was segragated. I'm in no way a bleeding heart liberal because I almost always vote conservative but I'll never discount the lingering effects of the blatent, unjust, disgusting way American citizens were treated for hundreds of years.

How long ago was slavery? My family wasn't even in this country back then. MOST blacks can't even trace their ancestry back to then let alone to Africa. That was then, this is now. It's time to move on (Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farakan, etc.). The point is, these people make it impossible to move on...

I think of Confucious time as long ago........150 years ain't shit.

[Merlin]

How is your religion surpressed?

Very simple, in many places in the country, if you say you are a christian your every word is scrutinized, but if you say you are Islamic, they bow to your every command. That's a sad reality...

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I guess you live in a glass house then...