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**GrnBay007** · 04-24-2007, 04:19 PM

PARENTS WHO DRUG THEIR KIDS
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The other day, someone at a store in our town read that a
Methamphetamine lab had been found in an old farmhouse in the adjoining
county, and he asked me a rhetorical question. "Why didn't we have a drug
problem when you and I were growing up?" I replied: "I had a drug problem
when I was young.

I was drug to church on Sunday morning. I was drug to church for weddings
and funerals. I was drug to family reunions and community socials no matter the weather.
I was drug by my ears when I was disrespectful to adults.

I was also drug to the woodshed when I disobeyed my parents, told a lie,
brought home a bad report card, did not speak with respect, spoke ill of
the teacher or the preacher, or if I didn't put forth my best effort in
everything asked of me.

I was drug to the kitchen sink to have my mouth washed out with soap if I
uttered a profanity. I was drug out to pull weeds in mom's garden and
flower beds and cockleburs out of dad's fields.

I was drug to the homes of family, friends and neighbors to help out some
poor soul who had no one to mow the yard, repair the clothesline, or chop
some firewood; and if my mother had ever known that I took a single dime as a tip for this kindness, she would have drug me back to the woodshed!

Those drugs are still in my veins, and they affect my behavior in
everything I do, say or think. They are stronger than cocaine, crack or heroine. And if today's children had this kind of drug problem, America would be a better place.

God bless the parents who drug us!

**LL2** · 04-24-2007, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by GrnBay007

PARENTS WHO DRUG THEIR KIDS
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I was also drug to the woodshed when I disobeyed my parents, told a lie,
brought home a bad report card, did not speak with respect, spoke ill of
the teacher or the preacher, or if I didn't put forth my best effort in
everything asked of me.

I was drug to the kitchen sink to have my mouth washed out with soap if I
uttered a profanity. I was drug out to pull weeds in mom's garden and
flower beds and cockleburs out of dad's fields.

Now that is what many call child abuse. I personally was spanked by a piece of wood by the woodpile when I was a kid when my family lived in northern Wisconsin! That stung like hell and never did it again.

**b bulldog** · 04-24-2007, 08:45 PM

Great post,LL2

**retailguy** · 04-24-2007, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by LL2

Originally posted by GrnBay007

PARENTS WHO DRUG THEIR KIDS
author unknown

I was also drug to the woodshed when I disobeyed my parents, told a lie,
brought home a bad report card, did not speak with respect, spoke ill of
the teacher or the preacher, or if I didn't put forth my best effort in
everything asked of me.

I was drug to the kitchen sink to have my mouth washed out with soap if I
uttered a profanity. I was drug out to pull weeds in mom's garden and
flower beds and cockleburs out of dad's fields.

Now that is what many call child abuse. I personally was spanked by a piece of wood by the woodpile when I was a kid when my family lived in northern Wisconsin! That stung like hell and never did it again.

and in spite of that, you still have a "love" for playboy bunnies. Yep, that seals the deal, you were "irreparably" harmed as a child. You should SUE your father for preventing you from becoming the "man" you could have been.

**ahaha** · 04-24-2007, 10:48 PM

What the hell is this crap?

So this little speal wants to lay some blame for the Virginia Tech massacre on:

-Madeline Murray O-Hare for defending us from zealots who want to force their religion on others

-Dr. Spock for his theories on child rearing

-Those responsible for making it illegal for teachers to BEAT our children

-And, of course, the entertainment industry for making shows we want to see and music we want to hear.

These Dear God e-mails are always so corny and ridiculous.

**mraynrand** · 04-24-2007, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by ahaha

-Madeline Murray O-Hare for defending us from zealots who want to force their religion on others

What is this crap? Why do people go to such extremes, somehow extrapolating the desire to allow school prayer into 'zealots forcing their religion on others.' Try reading the history of Islam. There are countless examples of zealots forcing their religion on others - either you convert or you are beheaded. That's zealotry. Separation of church and state was only meant to prevent the state from establishing an official state religion. Prayer in school doesn't necessarily make any religious claims whatsoever and has nothing to do with separation of church and state. For GOD'S sake, you could call it 'personal reflection time' and thus allow kids to think about whatever they want. The funny thing is that our culture has swung so far that the nuts on the left don't even realize how they've corrupted original intent.

**GrnBay007** · 04-24-2007, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by mraynrand

Prayer in school doesn't necessarily make any religious claims whatsoever and has nothing to do with separation of church and state. For GOD'S sake, you could call it 'personal reflection time' and thus allow kids to think about whatever they want.

Amen!! :P

What took the cake for me was when I heard the Boy Scouts couldn't meet at the public school because they would be reciting their Oath.....which includes the word God. Unreal!!

**Joemailman** · 04-25-2007, 07:28 AM

I am inclined to believe that whether children are brought up in a religious atmosphere at home is more important than whether or not there is prayer in schools. I went to a Catholic grade school for 8 years followed by 4 years at a public high school. My faith and values did not change when going to a public school, because what I learned at home had a much greater impact on me than whether or not the school I was attending had prayer or not. The values a child learns at home is what matters, and setting aside a few moments for prayer, or "personal reflection" in school isn't going to change that.

**Zool** · 04-25-2007, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by Joemailman

I am inclined to believe that whether children are brought up in a religious atmosphere at home is more important than whether or not there is prayer in schools. I went to a Catholic grade school for 8 years followed by 4 years at a public high school. My faith and values did not change when going to a public school, because what I learned at home had a much greater impact on me than whether or not the school I was attending had prayer or not. The values a child learns at home is what matters, and setting aside a few moments for prayer, or "personal reflection" in school isn't going to change that.

Thank you Joe Mailman. Blaming the public school systems lack of a religious time out is ridiculous. Children with parents that take the time to talk with their kids and interact with them tend to be the best kids.

Why are people always looking outward to figure out whats wrong with society?

**mraynrand** · 04-25-2007, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by Zool

Why are people always looking outward to figure out whats wrong with society?

By definition, you cannot do otherwise.

At issue is not whether trying to promote school prayer at this point is a good thing, but whether it was a good thing for the supreme court to incorrectly rule that school prayer was unconstitutional, based on the establishment clause. I argue that not only was it a bad ruling, as the reasoning was flawed, but it's also a bad ruling because the will of the majority was usurped, ostensibly because some people felt uncomfortable or 'left out' by school prayer. I argue that this is nonsense because it's easy to make such school prayer optional and/or call it something else to allow for individual choice. If school prayer can be banned, why not ban any display of religious belief in public, based on the establishment clause and/or because it makes some among the vast minority 'uncomfortable?'

**Zool** · 04-25-2007, 08:32 AM

Kids have a huge need to feel accepted and fit in with the crowd. If a child is in a class where 75% students are doing something then they will want to do it too just to fit in and not be the outcast.

I'm all for doing whatever you want assuming it doesnt bother others. If you feel prayer during school is best for your child, then by all means, talk to the teacher and let them know that your kid will need a minute out of every day to pray. I would be willing to bet that kid would not sit off by himself or herself to pray because they would feel self conscious.

What about the agnostics? Do their rights mean less than the religious?

**MJZiggy** · 04-25-2007, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by GrnBay007

What took the cake for me was when I heard the Boy Scouts couldn't meet at the public school because they would be reciting their Oath.....which includes the word God. Unreal!!

Well, that's just stupid.

**ahaha** · 04-25-2007, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by mraynrand

Originally posted by ahaha

-Madeline Murray O-Hare for defending us from zealots who want to force their religion on others

What is this crap? Why do people go to such extremes, somehow extrapolating the desire to allow school prayer into 'zealots forcing their religion on others.' Try reading the history of Islam. There are countless examples of zealots forcing their religion on others - either you convert or you are beheaded. That's zealotry. Separation of church and state was only meant to prevent the state from establishing an official state religion. Prayer in school doesn't necessarily make any religious claims whatsoever and has nothing to do with separation of church and state. For GOD'S sake, you could call it 'personal reflection time' and thus allow kids to think about whatever they want. The funny thing is that our culture has swung so far that the nuts on the left don't even realize how they've corrupted original intent.

Maybe 'zealot' doesn't accrurately represent all who supported this, but there were definately some in the crowd. Your muslim example doesn't set the definition. It still doesn't justify saying this had anything to do with the VT massacre.
And you and I disagree with the reason for seperation of church and state. Religion should be for the home, not public education. If a kid wants to pray, let him do it at recess. Don't force a "personal reflection time" on everybody so the non-religious can feel inferior because their not praying.

**mraynrand** · 04-25-2007, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by ahaha

Originally posted by mraynrand

Originally posted by ahaha

-Madeline Murray O-Hare for defending us from zealots who want to force their religion on others

What is this crap? Why do people go to such extremes, somehow extrapolating the desire to allow school prayer into 'zealots forcing their religion on others.' Try reading the history of Islam. There are countless examples of zealots forcing their religion on others - either you convert or you are beheaded. That's zealotry. Separation of church and state was only meant to prevent the state from establishing an official state religion. Prayer in school doesn't necessarily make any religious claims whatsoever and has nothing to do with separation of church and state. For GOD'S sake, you could call it 'personal reflection time' and thus allow kids to think about whatever they want. The funny thing is that our culture has swung so far that the nuts on the left don't even realize how they've corrupted original intent.

Maybe 'zealot' doesn't accrurately represent all who supported this, but there were definately some in the crowd. Your muslim example doesn't set the definition. It still doesn't justify saying this had anything to do with the VT massacre.
And you and I disagree with the reason for seperation of church and state. Religion should be for the home, not public education. If a kid wants to pray, let him do it at recess. Don't force a "personal reflection time" on everybody so the non-religious can feel inferior because their not praying.

Two points: I don't think banning of school prayer necessarily led to the massacre and I am not in favor of school prayer (though I think a time for silent reflection would be a reasonable compromise). I think that the degradation of the culture may be a contributing factor to the massacre, but I think that would be very hard to prove. I am a strong advocate of original intent and the proper role of the judiciary, and many of the Supreme Court rulings I think are unconstitutional. I think the Supreme Court is by design a conservative body, so that broad trends and changes in our society can be brought about through legislation and amendment where necessary, and therefore will likely reflect the attitudes of the overwhelming majority of the populace.

As far as agnostics and atheists, I feel for them being in the minority, but that's part of life. In my work and community, I am surrounded by a vast liberal majority, but I'm not running to the Supreme Court to 'remedy' the situation.

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