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  • New Cold War?

    U.S.-Russia relations sink to near-Cold War depths
    By Warren P. Strobel and Jonathan S. Landay
    McClatchy Newspapers

    WASHINGTON - On the eve of next week's G-8 summit meeting, relations between the United States and Russia have ebbed to their lowest level since the Cold War, fueled by Moscow's growing confidence and an apparent Russian perception of U.S. weakness.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has responded to American plans for a European-based missile-defense system by testing a new intercontinental missile, publicly blasted a U.S.-backed initiative to give independence to the Serbian province of Kosovo and frustrated American diplomatic initiatives on several fronts.

    Putin, alluding to U.S. "imperialism," said Thursday that the missile test was a response to the Bush administration's plans to put a missile-defense radar and 10 interceptors in Poland and the Czech Republic.

    "We are not the initiators of this new round of the arms race," Putin told a Kremlin news conference.

    "Our partners are stuffing eastern Europe with new weapons," he said. "What are we supposed to do? We cannot just observe all this."

    While the Russian leader is a former KGB officer and his rhetoric echoed of the Cold War, U.S. officials and analysts don't expect a return to U.S.-Russian military confrontation. But the disputes appear certain to cloud the summit of the Group of Eight leaders in Germany, in which President Bush and Putin will participate. Moreover, Russia's assertive posture poses new international headaches for Bush as his administration struggles to deal with intractable crises.

    Last month Putin appeared to compare the United States to Nazi Germany, surprising and dismaying top Bush aides.

    "We want a 21st-century partnership with Russia, but at times, Russia seems to think and act in the zero-sum terms of another era," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Thursday in Europe, where she tangled with her Russian counterpart on missile defenses and Kosovo.

    In an attempt to repair the damage, Bush issued an unusual invitation to Putin this week to join him for two days of talks in early July at the Bush family compound in Kennebunkport, Maine.

    "There's an effort to walk back from the brink on both sides," said a State Department official, who requested anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak for the record.

    Still, he acknowledged, "We're not going to get past the flash points so easily, because they reflect real differences."

    The White House shows no signs of backing down on the missile-defense plan, which Russia regards as a major new intrusion by the West toward its borders. Bush will bookend the G-8 summit with stops in the Czech Republic and Poland.

    Kosovo is an emotional issue in Russia, which has long-standing ties to Serbia, a fellow Slavic nation, and Russia's U.N. ambassador hinted Thursday that Moscow is ready to veto a U.N. independence plan for the province, which has been under international protection since 1999.

    Russia's confidence, based in part on its burgeoning oil wealth, and its apparent calculation of U.S. weakness due to the Iraq war are further hurdles to repairing relations.

    "The truth is that people notice when Gulliver is tied down," said Daniel Serwer, a former U.S. diplomat who's now with the U.S. Institute for Peace. "They (the Russians) have got bundles of money rolling in and they've got their historical adversary bogged down in Iraq."

    Michael McFaul of Stanford University said a major reason for the growing tensions was that Putin and his lieutenants were conditioned by their careers in the Soviet secret services to view the world in black and white.

    "If you are sitting in Moscow, the great power is the United States, and they see anything that is positive for us as being negative for Moscow and vice versa," he said,

    McFaul said the strains with the West went beyond rhetoric to Russian arms sales to Iran and recent cyber attacks on computer systems in Estonia, a former Soviet republic that's joined the NATO alliance.

    "That's not rhetoric. That's real," McFaul said. "These are very concrete policies that are threats to the United States and its allies."

    He also said the shifting power balance was to blame: "We are a lot weaker and they are a lot stronger."

    The Bush administration has been at pains to tell Russians that the proposed anti-missile system is meant to defend against "rogue" states such as Iran, not Russia's thousands of nuclear warheads. Defense Secretary Robert Gates went to Moscow in late April to give Russian officials a detailed briefing.

    But James Dobbins, a former senior U.S. diplomat, said that to the Kremlin the missile-defense project "appears to be inconsistent" with assurances the United States and its allies gave Russia in the 1990s that NATO's expansion and Germany's reunification wouldn't be used to move the alliance's military capabilities toward the Russian border.

    The Russians "are back," said a second State Department official, who also asked not to be identified because he isn't authorized to speak on the record. "And a lot of this has to do with a flexing of muscles that come with power. It's a different kind of power" than the Soviet Union's. "They're wealthy."

    William Douglas contributed to this article.


    Just thought I'd post this because it's the kind of thing you won't hear on the news much anymore. U.S./Europe relations have really tanked, and the President's low popularity here and abroad have probably robbed him of the clout to do much about it. Whoever the next President is will have a lot of work to do in the foreign relations field.
    I can't run no more
    With that lawless crowd
    While the killers in high places
    Say their prayers out loud
    But they've summoned, they've summoned up
    A thundercloud
    They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

  • #2
    I wonder if Dubya is going to gaze into Putins black soul again and tell us everything is going to be ok? What is funny is that the Soviets had an ICBM (still have it) back in the mid 80s that could defeat the type of defense we are building.
    Putin holds almost all the cards now so Dubya can't do to much to piss him off. Pretty sad times......
    C.H.U.D.

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    • #3
      The United States now spends more on its defense budget than the rest of the worlds defense budgets COMBINED! We do not need to be spending even more money on our defense. Our budget deficit and national debt are at all time highs.

      Both the USA and Russia should be actively talking to reduce their missile systems not increase them.

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      • #4
        I'm all for a missile defense system.

        The primary job of the federal government is to protect its citizens. Not all of the social programs that liberals have pushed to the federal level.
        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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        • #5
          Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
          I'm all for a missile defense system.

          The primary job of the federal government is to protect its citizens. Not all of the social programs that liberals have pushed to the federal level.
          Even if your libertarian definition of governmental responsibility were correct (which I don't accept), why assume that an anti-missile system is going to protect the US? Why not assume that it will just prompt others to try to build more sophisticated weapons that can avoid being shot down? Or why not assume that such a system is anachronistic and unable to address what is in fact a much more likely threat to the US today--not a rocket launched from overseas....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by hoosier
            why assume that an anti-missile system is going to protect the US?
            Why I assume it won't help?
            "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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            • #7
              Originally posted by hoosier
              Even if your libertarian definition of governmental responsibility were correct (which I don't accept), why assume that an anti-missile system is going to protect the US? Why not assume that it will just prompt others to try to build more sophisticated weapons that can avoid being shot down?

              By that logic, why put locks on your doors? You may never be able to completely prevent attacks. But soft targets are more attractive than hard targets.

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              • #8
                Putin is bad news. He's rolling back reforms and putting limitations on the press. He's setting himself up for long-term rule. He's an old school Soviet piece of crap.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                  Originally posted by hoosier
                  Even if your libertarian definition of governmental responsibility were correct (which I don't accept), why assume that an anti-missile system is going to protect the US? Why not assume that it will just prompt others to try to build more sophisticated weapons that can avoid being shot down?

                  By that logic, why put locks on your doors? You may never be able to completely prevent attacks. But soft targets are more attractive than hard targets.
                  Not the same thing at all. Locks are cheap and easy to install, and are effective at least to the extent of making your house harder to break into (it makes your house a "hard target"). Anti-missile systems, on the other hand, are expensive and have historically (since the Reagan years) produced repeated failures. The obsession with ABM systems is due more to profits for the military industry than to the likelihood of producing a viable system. Not to mention the fact that they're useless against non-ballistic attacks.

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                  • #10
                    Meh.

                    Like Bill Clinton, this story is overblown.

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                    • #11
                      Russia is still an economic thrid world country, it is rife with corruption and waste. They cant pay their military and most of their navy is rusting at the docks due to no maintinance. The only reason that Russia is considered a power is because of their nuclear arsenal.

                      The missle system is something actually quite funny. I would say build it, sure we can make a missle that will get through it but do you think some moron in North Korea can? All we have to do is wait out that regime because they will eventually starve. The missle system will provide a sense of security for a rouge state that has a limited nuclear armament and will creat a ton of jobs in the defense industry.

                      You may not like spending our money on defense but, 1 we need it and 2 this country would face a serious recession if defense spending was cut.
                      Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.

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                      • #12
                        The missle system will provide a sense of security for a rouge state that has a limited nuclear armament and will creat a ton of jobs in the defense industry.

                        You may not like spending our money on defense but, 1 we need it and 2 this country would face a serious recession if defense spending was cut.[/quote]

                        Tony,

                        That line of thought that defense industry creates jobs is a myth. Economic studies had clearly demonstrated that if you take a million dollars to create jobs be it in health care, transportation, education or other areas, the industry that creates the FEWEST jobs is defense.

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                        • #13
                          I would like to see those studies, because that assertion does not pass the smell test.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by hoosier
                            Even if your libertarian definition of governmental responsibility were correct (which I don't accept), why assume that an anti-missile system is going to protect the US?
                            Just an FYI, that isn't a Libertarian view, that is about the only authority that the Constitution grants the Federal Government.

                            Since you don't accept it one can safely assume that you think we live in a Democracy. We don't, we live in a representative Republic.

                            Go read the Constitution and show me where it says that the Federal Government has the right to take what is mine and give it to you. Better yet, find the part that says you have the right to vote for President.
                            "Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.”
                            – Benjamin Franklin

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Merlin
                              Go read the Constitution and show me where it says that the Federal Government has the right to take what is mine and give it to you.
                              That would be Amendment 16, "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes...to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States."

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