Google is violating breaking their code

[Charles Woodson]

Woodson,

AT&T doesn't own bellsouth or SBC. Those companies are baby bells and have no reporting to AT&T. Remember, Bell was ordered to spin those companies off and then Bell renamed themselves.

Now, I can't honestly say if those companies lease lines or pay for use of At&T data centers..but, i'm highly skeptical.

I live in Phx. The market here is dominated by Qwest, Cox and the now rapid conglomeration of Integra, ELI and MTI.

I know a bit about this subject as I sell hosted VoIP among other things...the hosted VoIP is just a cover for my burgeoning crack empire.

Are you sure?


AT&T Buys BellSouth for $67 Billion

Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:42 am

AT&T announced an agreement to buy BellSouth for $67 billion. AT&T currently owns 60 percent of Cingular, the No. 1 wireless carrier, while BellSouth owns the remaining 40 percent. As part of the deal, AT&T would assume full control of Cingular.

The merger will streamline the ownership and operations of Cingular Wireless. The new company will be more innovative, nimble and efficient, providing benefits to customers by combining the Cingular, BellSouth and AT&T networks into a single fully integrated wireless and wireline Internet Protocol network offering a full range of advanced solutions.

As a result, the combined company will be better able to speed the convergence of new and improved services for consumers and businesses, and embrace the industry's shift to Internet Protocol network-based technologies.

The long-awaited deal would give the combined company a national long-distance telephone and data network, residential customers stretching from Florida to California and business customers comprising more than half of the Fortune 1000.

AT&T expects the acquisition to save it $2 billion annually, partially from job cuts and combining the two work forces.

http://www.mobiledia.com/news/44799.html

[mraynrand]

The real concern is when Skynet (Google) becomes self-aware. THEN WE'RE IN FOR IT!!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Woodson,

AT&T doesn't own bellsouth or SBC. Those companies are baby bells and have no reporting to AT&T. Remember, Bell was ordered to spin those companies off and then Bell renamed themselves.

Now, I can't honestly say if those companies lease lines or pay for use of At&T data centers..but, i'm highly skeptical.

I live in Phx. The market here is dominated by Qwest, Cox and the now rapid conglomeration of Integra, ELI and MTI.

I know a bit about this subject as I sell hosted VoIP among other things...the hosted VoIP is just a cover for my burgeoning crack empire.

Are you sure?


AT&T Buys BellSouth for $67 Billion

Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:42 am

AT&T announced an agreement to buy BellSouth for $67 billion. AT&T currently owns 60 percent of Cingular, the No. 1 wireless carrier, while BellSouth owns the remaining 40 percent. As part of the deal, AT&T would assume full control of Cingular.

The merger will streamline the ownership and operations of Cingular Wireless. The new company will be more innovative, nimble and efficient, providing benefits to customers by combining the Cingular, BellSouth and AT&T networks into a single fully integrated wireless and wireline Internet Protocol network offering a full range of advanced solutions.

As a result, the combined company will be better able to speed the convergence of new and improved services for consumers and businesses, and embrace the industry's shift to Internet Protocol network-based technologies.

The long-awaited deal would give the combined company a national long-distance telephone and data network, residential customers stretching from Florida to California and business customers comprising more than half of the Fortune 1000.

AT&T expects the acquisition to save it $2 billion annually, partially from job cuts and combining the two work forces.

http://www.mobiledia.com/news/44799.html

No, i wasn't aware of that, but it futher illustrates my point. They are buying companies like Bellsouth because they don't have control of broadband.

Either way, AT&T doesn't dominate the broadband market, at least as far as I know. Cable companies certainly appear to dominate for residential, and as for business...there are many players...a T1 is a T1, it doesn't really matter if it is from Cox or Qwest. As for a narrower pipe like DSL, that is definitely a market that Qwest tries to exploit, but DSL is pretty flaky. I can't tell you how many times we have problems because a moron tech from qwest effs up a circuit. DSL is a nitemare in a new construction area.

Don't forget that wireless internet is out there (no, i don't mean directtv's bs) and will only be growing. Check out companies like Gigabeam.

We are in the process of signing a deal with a wireless provider.

[retailguy]

you could turn off the computer, throw away the your iphone, your cell, gps, blackberry, laptop, etc......

Good one! Partial, I suggest taking up FARMING. It'll keep you busy from dusk to dawn and beyond. You could become an "organic farmer" and compete with corporate america!

pss, thats cyberski, not partial

Shhh!.... Yes, I know. I just expanded on Cyberski's "solution" and suggested farming. An organic farmer would be PROUD, I'd say! Support the CAUSE!!!! and, oh, by the way, LOWER THE DAMN COST OF TUITION! Cripes! I'm going broke. :P

[MadtownPacker]

Save the world dude.... One evil empire at a time! :P

Just remember, YOU helped build them into what they are.....

Adsense helped turn them into what they are today. PR contributes to that.

Keep your beef with Google cuz I can assure you that you don't want to fuck with PR.

[Partial]

Google is no more evil than Microsoft. In fact I'm a fan of Google and this comes as no surprise to me. The thing I like about Google is that they become a threat to already existing businesses that control large segments of a market. Google apps is targeting MS, and the Grand Central can become a threat to existing phone companies.

You are crazy if you think thats all they are up to. They are slowly but surely buying all the fibre optics they can get their hands on. They've been doing this for about 2-3 years now, and back when they originally started people were worried about their intentions.

They are building massive, massive, massive server farms in all parts of the world next to power plants, no other company has server farms even near the size of what they are doing.

I like google too. But, it really is getting out of hand. If you don't think they're slowly but surely monopolizing all the internet services people use you're kidding yourself. This isn't an overnight plan for google, this is something on a world wide scale to avoid anti-trust laws over the next 10-20 years.

I am quite confident that they are going to jump into the cell phone market. They make their money using adsense and they want their search engine on phones.

I think they are doing the right thing fighting for the rights of those who use their search engine. But, I also am smart enough to realize they do these things to build positive PR. Same with their #1 rule of "don't be evil".

Right now, pretty much AT&T controls the way we connect to the internet whether anyone wants to admit it or not. For a company that went bankrupt and got 2 billion from the government, they have come back very strong and showed no remorse towards their customers. I think Google is in the process of changing the internet backbone to their own network, and then probably giving out free broadband(wi-fi) to most of the US.

The catch? The bought all the fibre(bandwidth) for cheap, and are going to require a google search as the main page or something to that effect, so their ad revenue will just keep growing and growing.

I don't know your market, but AT&T has no control of internet access where I live. They aren't even a fart in the wind.

Then you should really get your facts straight because AT&T is behind just about every provider in the world. That road runner connection your using is going through AT&T at some point.

I am curious as to what you do for a profession that makes you so qualified to tell everyone that they are wrong. Because I think you're as closed minded as anyone around here, and read a lot of headlines of newspaper articles without actually reading the meet of the story.

[GBRulz]

We have Comcast here, but let's face it. This little part of the world is run by Verizon. They own all the cable and if AT&T customers want repairs, they're gonna have to wait until Verizon has an opening after all their customers are served.

I have never heard of AT&T acting as a CLEC on Verizon's network. That must be an east coast thing. I worked for AT&T, formerly SBC, for a few years and AT&T and Verizon never competed against each other in the same market. But like I said, that was just here in the midwest. I understand your point though as many CLEC's who depend on the incumbent carrier for the "last mile", is a nightmare when outages happen. Of course the ones who suffer are the CLEC's customers. The FCC should be kicked in the ass for not throwing out hefty fines for the bells for that crap.

Wisconsin is pretty much half AT&T and half Verizon and in several AT&T markets, you have 3-4 other CLEC's, which is awesome for those of us who live here as competition has def forced AT&T to lower their rates. For whatever reason, Verizon is not opening their networks to competition, not exactly sure why. I'm sure cost is a factor.

[Partial]

erizon is not opening their networks to competition, not exactly sure why. I'm sure cost is a factor.

I believe the two companies are in cahoots. It is certainly in their best interests to be as such.

[Partial]

Save the world dude.... One evil empire at a time! :P

Just remember, YOU helped build them into what they are.....

Adsense helped turn them into what they are today. PR contributes to that.

Keep your beef with Google cuz I can assure you that you don't want to fuck with PR.

You are one uptight punta, MTP. Christ, all I was implying with that statement it is it not only the users of google's search but it is the ad-revenue they provide and the fact it is on just about every commercial site(not big business, though) that isn't x-rated.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Google is no more evil than Microsoft. In fact I'm a fan of Google and this comes as no surprise to me. The thing I like about Google is that they become a threat to already existing businesses that control large segments of a market. Google apps is targeting MS, and the Grand Central can become a threat to existing phone companies.

You are crazy if you think thats all they are up to. They are slowly but surely buying all the fibre optics they can get their hands on. They've been doing this for about 2-3 years now, and back when they originally started people were worried about their intentions.

They are building massive, massive, massive server farms in all parts of the world next to power plants, no other company has server farms even near the size of what they are doing.

I like google too. But, it really is getting out of hand. If you don't think they're slowly but surely monopolizing all the internet services people use you're kidding yourself. This isn't an overnight plan for google, this is something on a world wide scale to avoid anti-trust laws over the next 10-20 years.

I am quite confident that they are going to jump into the cell phone market. They make their money using adsense and they want their search engine on phones.

I think they are doing the right thing fighting for the rights of those who use their search engine. But, I also am smart enough to realize they do these things to build positive PR. Same with their #1 rule of "don't be evil".

Right now, pretty much AT&T controls the way we connect to the internet whether anyone wants to admit it or not. For a company that went bankrupt and got 2 billion from the government, they have come back very strong and showed no remorse towards their customers. I think Google is in the process of changing the internet backbone to their own network, and then probably giving out free broadband(wi-fi) to most of the US.

The catch? The bought all the fibre(bandwidth) for cheap, and are going to require a google search as the main page or something to that effect, so their ad revenue will just keep growing and growing.

I don't know your market, but AT&T has no control of internet access where I live. They aren't even a fart in the wind.

Then you should really get your facts straight because AT&T is behind just about every provider in the world. That road runner connection your using is going through AT&T at some point.

I am curious as to what you do for a profession that makes you so qualified to tell everyone that they are wrong. Because I think you're as closed minded as anyone around here, and read a lot of headlines of newspaper articles without actually reading the meet of the story.

First, dipshit, I was referring to last mile. Although it is important to make sure the Internet backbones aren't owned by a single company, what I am more concerned about is who owns the lines connecting homes and businesses. That is where they can exert monopolistic control, and that is therefore where they'll put in their filtering. Who cares what backbone is used? All that matters now is whose local loop is used.

Second, time to put up or shut up.

http://advice.cio.com/themes/CIO.com/cache/Internet_map_labels_0.pdf

I would hardly classify AT&T as behind every carrier. But, i'm sure you will find a way to sputter, stammer, and backtrack.

What I do for a living: Well, my little college friend, I have worked in tech for over 15 years. Come back when you've actually had a real job. I've worked with DARPA, was on the web before it was the web (using mosaic as the browser), was ftping, gophering and telneting back when your mommy was wiping your ass, was handwriting sites using VI editor, was working on computers back when you had to beg your boss for 4 megs of memory costing over 200 beans, have worked (for companies) using pcs, NeXT, sun spark stations, etc., worked as a consultant on CRM software (psoft and siebel being my forte) for a couple of companies you might have heard of: Disney, Siemens Westinghouse, BCBS, Harcourt Brace, etc., and now work for a software company in sales/marketing.

But, all that pales when compared to your accomplishments. Remind me again what they were?

[Tarlam!]

@ Tyrone Bigguns:

Impressive, if unconventional, resumé. We need to talk about your future....

[Tyrone Bigguns]

@ Tyrone Bigguns:

Impressive, if unconventional, resumé. We need to talk about your future....

I don't know if it is impressive. One could certainly make the argument that I can't figure out what i want to do when i grow up.

I'm not to worried about the future...just bought the winning lotto ticket.

[LL2]

Hey Partial, Google is at it again. Buying more companies and building their worldwide dominance. Fear the evil empire!

http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/09/technology/google_postini/index.htm?section=money_topstories

[Little Whiskey]

Save the world dude.... One evil empire at a time! :P

Just remember, YOU helped build them into what they are.....

can we list all the evil empires and then list all the good ones. i'd like make sure i'm on the right side.

[Scott Campbell]

Save the world dude.... One evil empire at a time! :P

Just remember, YOU helped build them into what they are.....

can we list all the evil empires and then list all the good ones. i'd like make sure i'm on the right side.

I'll start:

Packers = Good
Bears = Evil