Whoopi

[Kiwon]

Soooo your saying Whoopi thinks its OK for dogs to have abortions?

What's I saying is that having your hair in corn-rows for 30 years affects your brain. She doesn't care about dogs or people.

[MadtownPacker]

She doesn't care about dogs or people.

I bet a large part of the world's population feels that way too. For all we know you got some of those big killer roosters called "a-seals?" and fight them on Sundays.

[Harlan Huckleby]

She went to a pro-abortion rally, holds up a coat hanger and says, "We are never going to return to these days!" Yes, a very substantive discussion of the issue and exactly what pro-life supporters are advocating

All the pro-lifers I know would like to make abortion illegal.

The coat hangar is, of course, a symbol of the days when women had illegal abortions.

I'm a little unclear why you object to her use of this symbol. Do you think that if abortion were made illegal that woman would not resort to bootleg abortions?
Are you saying that some pro-lifers actually don't want to make abortion illegal?
Or do you think Whoopi implies that pro-lifers take pleasure in women shoving hangers up their nether regions?

Not arguing with you, just interviewing you for my permanet records.

[falco]

Abortion rant: Read at your own risk.

Well, Whoopi (real name: Caryn Elaine Johnson) besides being a real looker, is a first class, anti-American, pro-abortion idiot. She went to a pro-abortion rally, holds up a coat hanger and says, "We are never going to return to these days!" Yes, a very substantive discussion of the issue and exactly what pro-life supporters are advocating (You see, when you have no logical defense then resort to demonizing your opponents).

I like how Kiwon starts his rant by arguing that Whoopi isn't her real name and that she's ugly. That my friend is what I call a "substantive discussion of the issue".

Demonizing your opponents? Thats certainly a level YOU would never stoop to.

[Deputy Nutz]

This is copyrighted so you all can't steal it, I haven't worked up the stones to actually do this yet, or maybe I haven't hit rock bottom yet where civilization finally gets the best of me. When I was in my late high school years at a catholic high school not to be mentioned in this article I came up with an idea. Lets just leave it at an idea.

Here goes, I was getting the pro-life hanger shoved down my throat at the good old catholic school, telling me how abortion is wrong and this and that. One teacher showed me this video of a bunch of aborted fetuses in a dumpster. I may have made a statement about racoons eating well tonight and I got sent to the priest to have my balls examined, weird.

Anyways, my buddy and I decided that Tom Green was pretty neat the way he pissed people off so the idea came.

We would search out a pro life rally at a local or far way abortion clinic, or as my religion teacher told us, Planned Parenthood Centers, and we would then hold a protest of our own.

Across the street from the clinic we would set up a table, and put a nice tablecloth over it and then we would hang out our own shingle announcing yourselves as competition to the neighboring abortion clinic. On the table we would lay an assorted array of different size and color wire coat hangers and then loudly announce that we had a Grand Opening special on do it yourself abortion kits, and also a discounted rate on assisted abortions.

I think we might get fucking steamrolled by the pro lifers and all, but we would get it on film so we could be charged with inciting a riot and such.

Anyways, I also decided to print my own abortion cards for that emotional and uncomfortable time when words justs don't seem right.

Now I just opened myself up to some of you and I expect respectful and dignified posts in return. I never acted on my "idea", so one, don't think I am a sicko, and two don't steal it.

[Kiwon]

Why is it legal to kill one baby but not legal to kill it the other?

Why doesn't Planned Parenthood want expectant mothers to see ultrasounds of their babies?

India estimates that its missing 10 million girls from its population over the course of 20 years.
The government of China goes into villages and forces women into abortions and sterilizations. They tout their "One-child" policy as a responsible position given the threat of Global Warming. There is one province in China where there are 130 males born for every 100 females born.
Korea has the lowest birth rate in the industrialized world. Ultrasounds are restricted. Do you know why? Because female babies are likely to be aborted. Technicians are forbidden to tell the parents the sex of the child but they do anyway if asked in violation of the law.

Bottom line: If you advocate abortion on demand, then live with the reality that it is commonly used as a means of sex-selection and most people in the world rather have sons than daughters. It reinforces the notion that women are inferior to men and generally cheapens the concept of human dignity.

People like Whoopi Goldberg portray abortion as a "women's rights" issue when it's obvious that it's a "human rights" issue. The right to kill versus the right to live. No, I don't respect people like Whoopi Goldberg that want to deflect criticism from Michael Vick's cruel treatment of dogs while advocating the right to slaughter a child. A dog feels pain, but a baby doesn't, right?

This is a football forum and I won't belabor the point, but you have to ask yourself one central question: "Does a human being die during an abortion or not?"

I know what I believe and why. Do you?

[Deputy Nutz]

I guess I could really go into great detail why I believe in the freedom of choice, and in the act of abortion but it will probably sicken you all the more.

Shit I will tell you anyways, the first is that fetus is totally dependent on the mother from the time of conception to the birth. At no time does the woman get to call time out and hand the pregnancy over to the man, and say, "I am worn out, you take it for a while so I can go to the bar and hang out with the ladies and drink some high balls and smoke a camel or two."

At the very least most women at some point have to take sick leave from work due to their pregnancy and at the worst some women have severe medical issues that may cost them their lives. In the middle, women get put on bed rest where their lives are put on hold and they have to protect themselves and the baby while only laying in bed, going to the bathroom and getting something to eat in the kitchen.

Morally Abortion sucks, it can't be any decision for anyone to make, it sucks, but I don't need to hear it from a righteous man about the evils of abortion, the last time I checked a man has never carried a child.

More to come, this one is the social and financial tax on our community.

[Badgerinmaine]

I really don't think she is trying to excuse Vick's behavior.

I think you're right--and besides, part of makes a show like that go is having differences of opinion people can argue about. But even aside from whether the dog fighting is part of some Southern culture (apparently it is) or whether the dogs were treated outrageously and cruelly (I think it's very clear they were), it's illegal and setting up gambling on it is too. Even though Michael Vick had no problem personally with dogfighting, it's just not a smart thing to get involved in things on a big scale that are clearly illegal, especially when you have so much to lose as he did.

[SkinBasket]

I really don't think she is trying to excuse Vick's behavior.

I think you're right--and besides, part of makes a show like that go is having differences of opinion people can argue about. But even aside from whether the dog fighting is part of some Southern culture (apparently it is) or whether the dogs were treated outrageously and cruelly (I think it's very clear they were), it's illegal and setting up gambling on it is too. Even though Michael Vick had no problem personally with dogfighting, it's just not a smart thing to get involved in things on a big scale that are clearly illegal, especially when you have so much to lose as he did.

That's kind of the important point that some people miss. Regardless of regional or cultural views on dogfighting, Vick knew what he was doing was wrong and illegal, yet he chose to continue putting his career in jeopardy for the sake of street cred or pride or whateverthehell he thought was more important than living what should have been a dream - being a popular pro football player with millions to burn, and just as many legal ways to burn it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

nutz, you're a sicko, and I'm stealin your idea.

[oregonpackfan]

Going back to the abortion issue, I am generally pro-choice but I can't condone abortion on the grounds that the fetus is "The wrong gender" which means it is female.

It indeed demeans the entire female gender when a fetus is aborted because it is female.

[MJZiggy]

Their thinking will come around on that shortly, OPF, as all the sons that weren't aborted will be coming of age, looking for wives and they will come to realize exactly how valuable their females are. For every 100 that find a mate, 30 will be without one. Should be very interesting the evolutionary and cultural ramifications of that...

And Nutz, you're wrong on one point: a baby is not totally dependent on the mother until birth, which is why I'm actually vehemently opposed to late-term abortion, because after about 26 weeks, they could just induce labor and the baby could survive and be put up for adoption if the mother didn't want to keep it. She'd have to go through labor to deliver the fetus at that point anyway. Also, you don't kill your kid because you have to go on bedrest. Usually bedrest is for late in the term when there is the fear of premature delivery. It sucks, but you don't go have an abortion because of it. Abortion is not about the discomforts of pregnancy--it's about the absolute terror in having to raise a child without any help or way to take care of it. Never had an unwanted pregnancy, but I certainly can understand that terror. The guy can take off and just pay his child support. The mother cannot. I'm not condoning abortion, I'm just saying that there are reasons for it that go beyond the traditional arguments.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Their thinking will come around on that shortly, OPF, as all the sons that weren't aborted will be coming of age, looking for wives and they will come to realize exactly how valuable their females are. For every 100 that find a mate, 30 will be without one. Should be very interesting the evolutionary and cultural ramifications of that...

well, if we're talking China.... the abortions based on gender are of coure horrendous. The government policy limitting family size is horrible, which drives the gender abortions in the first place.

Of course they had/have a population crisis to deal with. I don't have answers.

[MJZiggy]

Their thinking will come around on that shortly, OPF, as all the sons that weren't aborted will be coming of age, looking for wives and they will come to realize exactly how valuable their females are. For every 100 that find a mate, 30 will be without one. Should be very interesting the evolutionary and cultural ramifications of that...

well, if we're talking China.... the abortions based on gender are of coure horrendous. The government policy limitting family size is horrible, which drives the gender abortions in the first place.

Of course they had/have a population crisis to deal with. I don't have answers.

That's precisely what I'm talking about Harlan. I don't have answers either, but it's gonna be fascinating to watch what happens...

[Deputy Nutz]

Their thinking will come around on that shortly, OPF, as all the sons that weren't aborted will be coming of age, looking for wives and they will come to realize exactly how valuable their females are. For every 100 that find a mate, 30 will be without one. Should be very interesting the evolutionary and cultural ramifications of that...

And Nutz, you're wrong on one point: a baby is not totally dependent on the mother until birth, which is why I'm actually vehemently opposed to late-term abortion, because after about 26 weeks, they could just induce labor and the baby could survive and be put up for adoption if the mother didn't want to keep it. She'd have to go through labor to deliver the fetus at that point anyway. Also, you don't kill your kid because you have to go on bedrest. Usually bedrest is for late in the term when there is the fear of premature delivery. It sucks, but you don't go have an abortion because of it. Abortion is not about the discomforts of pregnancy--it's about the absolute terror in having to raise a child without any help or way to take care of it. Never had an unwanted pregnancy, but I certainly can understand that terror. The guy can take off and just pay his child support. The mother cannot. I'm not condoning abortion, I'm just saying that there are reasons for it that go beyond the traditional arguments.

Sometimes Ziggy you either miss read the point being made or you twist it to make another point, I never said that women decide to have abortions because they have to go through bed rest during a pregnancy. My point is pregnancy is not easy and can be very very difficult physically emotionally and mentally, and I listed a few of those difficulties, not reasons for abortions.

I do not support late term abortion, I find very little reason for it.