Over/Under On The Thompson Bashers

[Lurker64]

And on Sunday, Ted Thompson will be an afterthought, we'll all be doing this

If certain complaining JSO writers are to be believed, Ted will likely be joining us in that thought.

[MJZiggy]

Good for him. He'll have a lot to cheer about! He can look at the journalists and say while we party in the stands.

[PackerTimer]

I agreed with you, just adding on i spose. I wouldnt agree with the "remotely negative" part tho. I'm probably seen as one of the optimists, but Ive posted plenty of negatives without getting bashed too hard. Just cant keep beating the dead horse without someone lashing out.

Actually, I used remotely negative purposely and here's why:

You have two examples from above that state they didn't have a problem with what Zach said (Ziggy & Partial). If they had an issue they'd have weighed in. Then someone else would have had an issue to what they said and chimed in too. Then it gets repeated adinfinitum...

If you have an opinion, not shared by the majority of posters/readers/responders, you'll hear about it many, many, many times. The more negative/gloomy/or repeated, the more the responses. After the multiple responses, and some banter from the original poster about why they believed they were correct, or why they thought what they did, then one of the responders will "brand" you with the negative label, and on and on and on it goes. From that point on, EVERYTHING that person said is viewed through those glasses. Hence, the "majority" keeps the "minority" in line with it's viewpoint, and teaches them not to speak freely, or worse educates them that if they do speak, there is a cost to be paid in the form of ridicule (which was the purpose of Shadow's topic to begin with). It also seems to be teaching others (less frequent posters) to "judge" what they can say, and what they cannot say.

Somewhat the nature of forums perhaps, but also, there is a piece where "likeminded" folks like to hear that they, and their opinion, are in fact correct. No one likes to be wrong, but sometimes when you talk about your opinions, you are in fact wrong, that's why they call it an opinion... lol

Don't believe me? Revert to the original post, and Shadow's basic point - I WAS CORRECT and the rest of you fools just didn't believe me. IT IS WEEK FOUR, for heavens sake. Lots can still happen, however, but Shadow decided that TODAY, all of those "negativists" need to own up to the "facts" right now, no more waiting because it's clear. We don't need to watch the team play the other 12 games, because today at 4-0 his "opinion" is forever validated, even if the team goes off the ski slope and ends the year at 4-12, I guess...

But lets not lose sight of the original point, a poster with 72 posts and some significant time here as a member "felt" he was going to get bashed for saying something most of us think is reasonable. How many others KEEP SILENT because of the same perspective? This is my concern. I had a permanent flak jacket installed six months ago, and I'll always be covered in teflon the way it looks, and that's fine, you can't keep me from telling you over and over and over what I think. Sadly, you won't lose me, I'll still be here. But, how many have posted, been bashed/branded/ridiculed/contridicted never to return because it is just not worth it?

I just want to hear what more people like Zach think, and less about what people like Shadow and JH think. It looks like Zach's discussion is missing and not likely to return any time soon.

I find it kind of amusing that we should take a wait and see approach now that the team is succeeding. Funny, because taking a wait and see approach was what 95% of the supposed TT supporters have been doing for the last three years. Is this team there yet? No, but they are a hell of alot closer than they were when TT took over an aging team that was facing serious salary cap problems. Funny, because I and, I think, many others here completely agree with you, but a great point is lost because a wait and see approach was met with a board cluttered with TT sucks from last January until the end of the preseason. I think you are 100% right, this team has to improve before they can be considered a true SB contender. But then again, I think this thread would not exist if alot of posters on this board would have laid off the sarcasm and the "TT needs to be fired now" silliness after every move or non-move that TT has made over thse last few years.

[MJZiggy]

I'm finding it really interesting that this whole discussion about negativity started over a post that wasn't actually negative...all he said was that there were a lot of 3-1 teams out there and it's early in the season. Absolutely, there are and it is. Still reason to be cautious, still reason to be optimistic. Optimistic Realist anyone?

[cpk1994]

Ok, we are 4-0; no team in the entire NFL has a better record after 1/4 of the regular season.
One of the chronic TT bashers seems to have softened in the face of the significant improvement in the team, but at least 2 others have adamantly, petulantly dug in their heels and refused to face the painfully obvious.
One gets the feeling that they are now down in the bunker, just waiting for a Packer loss to jump back in to once again spew more blasts of their ridiculous vitriol. Their claims : "Thompson is trying to wreck the Packers" (to lose his own job?), "Thompson hates Favre so much he is wrecking the Packers" (to lose his own job?) "Thompson is trying to wreck the entire universe" have been a source of amusement to many of us for a long time, and, in all fairness, might wind up being actually missed for their comedic value if & when the misguided return to reality.
Now then : just how many wins will it take for them to extend even the tiniest bit of credit to Ted Thompson for the job he's done?
5?
6?
8?
12?
16-0??????????

Now YOU.

Seems to me that your resembling the Village Idiot that shits on the parade.

WTF.

Pot calling kettle.

BTW, 4-0 without your boy Moss. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

First of all we are people of various backgrounds that love the Packers.

We should not be taking any different views to the extreme of judging or pidgeon holeing. WE are just all Packer fans and Rastak.

Just for you to ponder.

Maybe you could examine this silly feud a tad closer before you jump on either band wagon cpk1994.

Just maybe. It is best to remain a neutral and not pick sides or gang on. It will all come out in the wash despite some ruffled feathers at hthe present time.

I will to go out on the edge and imform all on this board, that the people like myself who are afflicted with the accusations of being the hateful are actually quite the opposite.

We want a win - win for all Packer fans.

We (the so called and labeled TT haters. . .Haha) are the fact based, truthfully accountable objective posters that only want the Packers to move towords winning and real growth.

For our Packer team GM Ted Thompson to do something more not less.

I see it in terms of the big picture and major goal of winning as Brett Favre does. The duty of the Packer GM is to do all he can to ensure a status of consistency in winning as well as maintain financial restraint for our teams future.

Not all one way or the other.

The chief reason that some here have stood against Ted Thompson is that we feel he should take advantage of the fact we still have Brett Favre. Have encouraged more talent (experience) in our offence and specifically at the position of obvious concern, Runningback.

I would be the last person to rub it in a mans face. I will not argue.

I felt our running game would be weaker and that is the way it appears to be. Ted Thompson went with the status quo after encouraging Ahman Green to change loyalities. I felt that he ran too high of a risk to make that assessment.

We have the worst running game in the NFL. Why is that now. . .

Some of us could see that from a long way off but Ted Thompson did not or is it something else in Ted Thompson . . .

That is the root of the debate.

Fact based? PULEEEEEZE. Anyway, I merely stated the fact that it is hypocritcal of you to call someone a villiage idiot for raining on the parade of others when you have been doing the exact same thing. Also, the fact that you have an obsession with Moss and can't get over it. You continue to take shots at TT for not signing Moss in every thread you post it in, even when the topic isn't about either. It is getting old, boring, repetitve and stupid. You hate TT and are mad the Pack didn't sign Moss. We get it. NOW GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and once again, 4-0 with out your boy Moss.

OK so here it lies and it seems that you want to take this to the personal in the full view of the forum.

Is that correct Packer fan. . .

and by the way. . .

Just exactly where in this thread do I make any reference to TT not landing Randy Moss (question mark). I believe that the conversation in this thread has been confined to the fact our running game really is nowhere cpk1994. Not landing Moss only supports an argument that TT cannot exercise assertiveness or conviction in acquiring really potential talent on the offensive side of the ball.

Just what does last place in the NFL in rushing suggest to you Packer fan. . .

That TT was correct or incorrect about not going after any other RB because it was his assessment that what he had was adequate.

You tell me please where I am wrong here.

Your assertion that not landing Moss = TT cannot excercise assertiveness or conviction is not fact. THAT IS YOUR OPINION. Attempting to state that as fact is just you being smug and arrogant. FACT: TT made an offer based on what he was Moss was worth. Patriiots made higher offer. TT was never given a chance to counter if he so desired. Pats get Moss. END OF STORY.

Last in rushing = a very young inexperienced RB corp and an inexperienced OL. Green would not have improved this situation at all considering the OL has regressed in run blocking. FACT:TT offered Green what he thought he was worth including the injuries and wear and tear. Green tested FA waters and Houston bowled him over. TT then decided that what was available in FA was no better than what he had. END OF STORY.

I applaud the fact that he went with youth and upside instead of going with has been retreads just to make the fans happy. I applaud the fact that TT will do things his way and let the chips fall where they may, despite the ramblings of so-called know-it-all fans like you. I would say that 4-0 right now demonstrates that TT does have this team headed in the right direction: A young team that can only get better, one that will use Favre to by time for these younguns to develop so when it is time for Arron Rodgers or whoever to take over at QB, this team can continue to play at a high level.
This team must be ready to move past Favre when the time comes that Brett decides to hang them up.

TT sees this.

I see this.

Obviously you cannot and refuse to accept that same reality.

[Merlin]

I don't recall anyone saying that he reached for either player or fans screaming about those picks.

No you only claimed that he reached for Driver and Tauscher in the 7th. Classic.

Is this some sort of attempt at being smart? I DARE you to find a post where I said this.

[Merlin]

Thompson has failed in judging the draft choices that would make an immediate impact on the team.

My post was predicated on this statement from your last post. Had nothing to do with any other post you wrote. And I read the whole post. All 3 lines were absurd. He hired McCarthy, but also the majority of players McCarthy coaches.

Once AGAIN.......READ THE ENTIRE POST. Get back to me when you understand the concept of 1st rounders and early 2nd rounders.

[Merlin]

And then remember when people were shitting bricks around here when he took James Jones "3 rounds too high"??

Seems to me you are thinking about people who worry about late round picks. I worry about #1 and #2. Jennings was a good pick, no arguments here. BUT our #1 picks of Rodgers and Harrell were HORRIBLE.

[Merlin]

Common Ground: Every fan is happy to be 4-0 and we can all agree on that. Every fan should be happy with the passing game, and Brett's leadership to date. Every Fan agrees that the running game is not where it needs to be.

Points of Difference: What role did TT have in orchestrating this 4-0 start? Some say, give him some love and credit for the good he has done. Others say not so fast, he hasn't done as much as we think.

If you're going strictly off record and where we are at right now, you can't have a better record than 4-0. Perhaps you can split the blame for the running game multiple ways. It could be lack of experienced talent, which means we could have been more agressive in getting someone in the off-season last year. It could be the injuries in camp and early in the season, it could be the O-line's execution of the ZBS.

Cause, blame, responsibility (call it what you want) has just as many parents as credit does, if you are being fair-minded. I wish we were in a better way, running game-wise, but we are where we are, and hopefully with some coaching, practice, film study, and player development that can become more than it is, and I think it will. I think MM is coming into his own as a coach, and I think that whatever problems they have can and will be addressed, but by coaching and practice right now.

Agreed.

[Merlin]

"Fact based? PULEEEEEZE. Anyway, I merely stated the fact that it is hypocritcal of you to call someone a villiage idiot for raining on the parade of others when you have been doing the exact same thing. Also, the fact that you have an obsession with Moss and can't get over it. You continue to take shots at TT for not signing Moss in every thread you post it in, even when the topic isn't about either. It is getting old, boring, repetitve and stupid. You hate TT and are mad the Pack didn't sign Moss. We get it. NOW GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! "

It's easy to be all happy and forget the mis-steps of our GM when you are 4-0. As I have stated before, what side of the fence will you be on if we go 4-12? What if we don't make the playoffs? I am betting you will conveniently forget the FACTS that you laugh off here when that time comes and be all optimistic about next season when if either of those things happen, 3T will have much of the responsibility there. But then again, he can only get the kudo's.

By the way, how is that top 5 defense coming? You know the one he "stacked" while he ignored the offense? The one that couldn't stop the run in FOUR GAMES so far? Oh yeah, we are "bending and not breaking" and we are 4-0 so that forgives the problems we have. I forget, 3T has done an awesome job in building a defense that couldn't stop a cold with a ball in it's hands.

[Tarlam!]

Whoooohoooo! Pack is FOUR and OH!

Yeah!

What?

Somebody say something?

[GrnBay007]

I was checking out a couple bear message boards to see what they are saying about playing the Packers. They are barely mentioning the Packers except for "Favre is going to have a field day with us".

HOWEVER........

Here we have the forum arguing over Good Thompson/Bad Thompson

There they are fighting over the Rex/Griese debate. I thought this one was funny....

"It's sad to say but the fair weather fans running Rex off made this season what it is !Start using your brains !What are they going to do next year or the year after face it he *(REX) is Chitown.
You just can't throw several seasons away and draft or trade for who? There is only a few marque QB's in the NFL and we aint going to get them and by treating players like they do who wants to ply here?The old saying is so fucking true ! BE CAREFULL WHAT YOU WISH FOR FUCKERS! I stand today so fucking happy we lost and that is bad I have never and i meen never been happy about a loss !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VOTE FOR REX AND WE WILL GO TO THE PLAYOFFS!"

[SkinBasket]

I don't recall anyone saying that he reached for either player or fans screaming about those picks.

No you only claimed that he reached for Driver and Tauscher in the 7th. Classic.

Is this some sort of attempt at being smart? I DARE you to find a post where I said this.

I am smart. Harlan told me so. I don't have to "attempt" anything.

Dare accepted:

The Jones pick was a reach but hey so was Driver, Tauscher & Clifton.

Here's the thread if you want to thoroughly remind yourself of your own stupidity, or if you are going to try to claim I took that quote out of context or edited it:

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=7837&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

[Harlan Huckleby]

BE CAREFULL WHAT YOU WISH FOR FUCKERS!

The Agony! (Rex & Griese) The Ecstacy! (Favre & Rodgers)

some writer said this summer that the two best QBs in the NFC North are Favre and Rodgers.

We are spoiled right now. I don't think the Bears problem on offense is primarily at QB spot. They are weak at several positions. Rex will be back at QB soon enough. Trading away their best running back was a disaster.

[GrnBay007]

The Agony! (Rex & Griese) The Ecstacy! (Favre & Rodgers)

some writer said this summer that the two best QBs in the NFC North are Favre and Rodgers.

We are spoiled right now. I don't think the Bears problem on offense is primarily at QB spot. They are weak at several positions. Rex will be back at QB soon enough. Trading away their best running back was a disaster.

Lots of them are asking for Orton.