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[Harlan Huckleby]

i take it all back. pretty stupid comparison.


but..... i think our government should meet with EVERY government leader in the world.

Diplomatic isolation rarely accomplishes anything, ALWAYS carries foolish price.

BTW, I don't support anyone mention in this thread. Except roosevelt, churchill and RuPaul, the big three.

[mraynrand]

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[Harlan Huckleby]

there is some physical resemblence on the bottom one.

[mraynrand]

i take it all back. pretty stupid comparison.


but..... i think our government should meet with EVERY government leader in the world.

Diplomatic isolation rarely accomplishes anything, ALWAYS carries foolish price.

BTW, I don't support anyone mention in this thread. Except roosevelt, churchill and RuPaul, the big three.

Good take back. Worked with Stalin to get rid of Hitler. Then took care of commies.

I thought diplomatic isolation of Hitler and Mussolini was a good idea.

[Joemailman]

Ron Paul is sort of the Dennis Kucinich of the Republican Party. They both are able to espouse pure, clear ideologies. They are huggable.

I would LOVE to see a Ron Paul - RuPaul Liberterian-Libertine ticket. That would be hot.

They are both lunatics. Maybe you can go to Syria with Kucinich on his next tour HH and applaud Assad - he only ordered the assassination of 10 Lebanese politicians this year. I guess that IS a clear ideology. Useful idiot.

Only ten politicians assassinated? If I were an Iraqi politician, I'd head there. A relative paradise.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I thought diplomatic isolation of Hitler and Mussolini was a good idea.

I don't think it was a good idea. Even in the most extreme cases, better to keep channels open. (which I suppose they did anyway through Swiss or something, eh?)

Breaking diplomatic relations is so stupid. Diplomatic isolation helped with South Africa, but that was a rare exception.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Only ten politicians assassinated? If I were an Iraqi politician, I'd head there. A relative paradise.

( which is to say I got your joke and am not arguing with you, I know how tender your feelings are.)

Syria really is a loathsome government. But its a perfect example of the value of not breaking relations. They have this unnatural alliance with Iran that we've driven them too with our isolation policy.

[mraynrand]

Ron Paul is sort of the Dennis Kucinich of the Republican Party. They both are able to espouse pure, clear ideologies. They are huggable.

I would LOVE to see a Ron Paul - RuPaul Liberterian-Libertine ticket. That would be hot.

They are both lunatics. Maybe you can go to Syria with Kucinich on his next tour HH and applaud Assad - he only ordered the assassination of 10 Lebanese politicians this year. I guess that IS a clear ideology. Useful idiot.

Only ten politicians assassinated? If I were an Iraqi politician, I'd head there. A relative paradise.

There's a big difference between a head of state ordering assassinations and al quaeda, especially when you have an elected official applauding the Syrian head of state. Is that too difficult for your addled mind to comprehend?

[mraynrand]

I thought diplomatic isolation of Hitler and Mussolini was a good idea.

I don't think it was a good idea. Even in the most extreme cases, better to keep channels open. (which I suppose they did anyway through Swiss or something, eh?)

Breaking diplomatic relations is so stupid. Diplomatic isolation helped with South Africa, but that was a rare exception.

You totally contradict yourself. It worked with S. Africa, didn't it? The reason it didn't work with Iraq and now Iran is that other nations (France and Russia in the case of Iraq and Russia and China in the case or Iran) are either making money of the regimes or are using it as a method to counter the U.S.

You're worse than a Chamberlin, HH. How exactly would you bargain with Hitler? We'll stop bombing Dresden if you close down half your ovens?

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[mraynrand]

Only ten politicians assassinated? If I were an Iraqi politician, I'd head there. A relative paradise.

( which is to say I got your joke and am not arguing with you, I know how tender your feelings are.)

Syria really is a loathsome government. But its a perfect example of the value of not breaking relations. They have this unnatural alliance with Iran that we've driven them too with our isolation policy.

They had it before. Where the hell do you think the weapons were coming from for use in Lebanon? They've been aligned with Iran for decades.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Breaking diplomatic relations is so stupid. Diplomatic isolation helped with South Africa, but that was a rare exception.

You totally contradict yourself. It worked with S. Africa, didn't it? The reason it didn't work with Iraq and now Iran is that other nations (France and Russia in the case of Iraq and Russia and China in the case or Iran) are either making money of the regimes or are using it as a method to counter the U.S.

sanctions and breaking diplomatic ties are two different things. you can have sanctions and still keep diplomatic ties.

It is hard for EITHER of them to work, as you point out with Iran. Which is the best argument for skipping sanctions and diplomacy-breaking all together.
The track record for sanctions is abysmal.

(I mentioned S.A. to acknowledge the rare exception.)

You're worse than a Chamberlin, HH. How exactly would you bargain with Hitler? We'll stop bombing Dresden if you close down half your ovens?

There are ALWAYS some points mutual interests that can be negotiated, even with a Hitler. Exchanges of wounded badly wounded prisoners. Red Cross Access. We still had some business dealings with Germany even during WWII, beleive it or not.

Of course Hitler is the worst case scenario. In more typical cases of conflict, like Iran, our mutual interests are ENORMOUS. In fact, Iran really should be an ally in the middle east, or at least we have as much in common as we do in conflict, they should be at worst a neutral partner.

[Harlan Huckleby]

They had it before. Where the hell do you think the weapons were coming from for use in Lebanon? They've been aligned with Iran for decades.

We are both out of our depth in discussing Iran-Syria relations. Syria vascillates between the Arab and Persian camps. They are ruled by a Sunni Bathist Party. I will read some more, but for sure our isolation policy with Syria has driven them towards Iran.

[Harlan Huckleby]

http://www.cfr.org/publication/11122/

What’s the history of the link between Syria and Iran?

The alliance dates back to the early-to mid-1970s, when conflict and rivalry arose between then-Syrian President Hafez al-Assad's version of Baathism and Saddam Hussein's in Iraq, Lasensky says. In the 1990s, the relationship grew more distant as each country pursued its own interests. Syria under Hafez al-Assad was deeply engaged in the Middle East peace process as Damascus tried to regain the Golan Heights from Israel through negotiations. At the same time, Iran took a less-invested position on the peace process, saying it would support whatever outcome helped the Palestinians. "They had bigger fish to fry," Hokayem says.

The two nations kept their wary relations until the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 made them both nervous. Syria, feeling particularly vulnerable, pushed for a mutual defense pact with Iran that included parts of Lebanon, then under Syrian control. "The Syrians are the ones who started this [current relationship]," Berman says. "They were the ones who felt vulnerable, who felt that they needed protection."

[mraynrand]

The track record for sanctions is abysmal.


Exchanges of wounded badly wounded prisoners. Red Cross Access.

We still had some business dealings with Germany even during WWII, beleive it or not.

Of course Hitler is the worst case scenario. In more typical cases of conflict, like Iran, our mutual interests are ENORMOUS. In fact, Iran really should be an ally in the middle east, or at least we have as much in common as we do in conflict, they should be at worst a neutral partner.

I have no idea where you're coming from.

IBM sold counting machines to Hitler, and I guess the Swiss imported gold bars melted down from the fillings of 6 million Jews and 5 million other ethnic minorities. That's good business

In case you hadn't noticed, the U.S. has met with Iranian officials on many occasions over the past year. So what?

What exactly are our mutual intrests with Iran? They support the most dangerous terrorists in Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine. I'm sure you've heard of Hezbollah and Hamas. We deal with the Saudis to whore for oil for the U.S. and our allies. What does that get us? Better funded radical Islamic mosques around the world. Good dealings.