Al Gore win Nobel Peace Prize

[Harlan Huckleby]

Yasir Arafat

Kim, Dae-Jung (after a $500 million bribe to North Korea)

Jimmy Carter

Mohamed El-Baradei

And now, Al Gore wins after months of campaigning for it.

The Nobel Peace Prize has become a pure joke. Absolutely meaningless.

I doubt that you understand why any of these people were honored.

the Nobel Prize is meaningless to you, fair enough. But the award is very prestigious, it doesn't matter that some dismiss it.

[swede]

Yasir Arafat

Kim, Dae-Jung (after a $500 million bribe to North Korea)

Jimmy Carter

Mohamed El-Baradei

And now, Al Gore wins after months of campaigning for it.

The Nobel Peace Prize has become a pure joke. Absolutely meaningless.

I doubt that you understand why any of these people were honored.

the Nobel Prize is meaningless to you, fair enough. But the award is very prestigious, it doesn't matter that some dismiss it.

Harlan, Your last post deserves the Rip Torn "I use so much more of my brain than you do I can taste the subtle flavors in horse shit" award.

The Nobel Peace Prize is no longer universally prestigious.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The Nobel Peace Prize is no longer universally prestigious.

no longer? you see list, when do you think it lost its prestige?

[Kiwon]

Yasir Arafat

Kim, Dae-Jung (after a $500 million bribe to North Korea)

Jimmy Carter

Mohamed El-Baradei

And now, Al Gore wins after months of campaigning for it.

The Nobel Peace Prize has become a pure joke. Absolutely meaningless.

I doubt that you understand why any of these people were honored.

the Nobel Prize is meaningless to you, fair enough. But the award is very prestigious, it doesn't matter that some dismiss it.

OMG - How did it forget Kofi Annan?

Harlan, , seriously, what are you defending? You want to take the time to explain some of the recent selections? Get real.

The Nobel folks themselves have made the award meaningless by overlooking little-known and deserving folks that are making real differences in people's lives and giving it to, let's see,.........

........a terrorist that killed innocent people and squandered billions of dollars in aid to his people via corruption,....a president that violated the constitution of his country and secretly paid off his enemy for a summit,......one of the worst U.S. presidents ever who has become the worse ex-U.S. president ever,........the head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency under whose leadership nuclear weapons programs of several countries are thriving,.........the former U.N. head that prevented real reform at the U.N. from taking place by hindering investigations into the Oil-for-Food scandal, the abuses by U.N. peacekeepers, graft and influence peddling, and did nothing to stop the genocide in Dafur (or in Rwanda during the '90's) or the Iranian weapons program.

And then there's Al Gore and his film on Global Warming. It's viewing is mandatory in English schools, but this week a British judge put some stipulations on it before it is presented to the students:

In order for the film to be shown, the Government must first amend their Guidance Notes to Teachers to make clear that 1.) The Film is a political work and promotes only one side of the argument. 2.) If teachers present the Film without making this plain they may be in breach of section 406 of the Education Act 1996 and guilty of political indoctrination. 3.) Eleven inaccuracies have to be specifically drawn to the attention of school children.

Eleven = 11, HH.

Yes, a very deserving and impressive list of winners, indeed.

But I doubt you understand any of this.

[Tarlam!]

Kiwon,

Gore put the environment on the agendas of people that wouldn't ordinarily taken too much notice. Despite HH's "higher-than-thou" stance towards you, I share his position pertaining to the importance of the Nobel Peace Prize.

To dismiss it, I think, is a bit short sighted. Yes I had trouble with Arafat receiving the award based on his past, but, when he won it, he was genuinely working towards solving a 1000 year war.

Having sat next to an Israeli doctor on the plane from DC to Frankfurt this week, I had a chance to discuss this with someone who was there; She said, she and many of her countrymen were in awe of Arafat's attempts at achieving peace and, she is convinced if it weren't for the assassination of Rabin, peace might have become reality.

Going back to his old ways embarressed the committe, I suspect.

Anyways, Gore has done a wonderful job of getting the environment on the agenda. Whether or not this was politically motivated is a different discussion; solving the peace issue in the Middle-East is also pretty good for one's polical resumé!

[mraynrand]

Kiwon,

Gore put the environment on the agendas of people that wouldn't ordinarily taken too much notice.

Yep, China is on their toes. Al has really put it to the Chinese to reduce their polluting ways. Good job Al. Plus, the debate over global warming in the U.S. has increased peace among Americans. The labeling of the U.S. as the 'biggest polluter' (CO2) has helped spread a peaceful attitude towards the U.S. Al certainly deserved the award. Awareness is at an all time high.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The Nobel prize winners sometimes look weak in hindsight. The prize is often given to encourage processes that haven't fully played out. And ANY public figure can be implicated in scandal years after recieving a prize, but that doesn't mean that their earlier work was undeserving.

Arafat & Israeli partners got a NPP for the hopeful Oslo Peace Accords, and they came damn close to succeeding. It was an obvious choice for a NPP. Kissinger & North Vietnamese negotiating partners got a NPP in early 70's for their efforts. Didn't turn out so swell five years later. Shit happens, it's a lot harder to build peace than to start a war.

And questioning Jimmy Carter's credentials shows a level of ignorance and provincialism. Carter is revered in Latin America for his successful efforts promoting democracy and human rights during and after his presidency. For a U.S. president to achieve that level of accomplishment and respect in Latin America seems unthinkable today.

I'm not done, I have more to say, just pausing for refreshment.

[mraynrand]

Jimmy Carter: The Worst Ex-President in History
By Jack Kinsella - Omega Letter Editor

During his four years in the White House, he presided over the worst economic downturn since World War II, allowed a bunch of thugs to seize our embassy and our citizens, and supported Philippine dictator Fernando Marcos, Pakistani General Zia al Huq, Saudi King Faud and many other dictators. But Jimmy Carter was a much better president than he is an ex-president.

In fact, Jimmy Carter holds the hands-down record for being the worst ex-president the United States has ever known. His post-presidential meddling in foreign affairs has cost America dearly, both in terms of international credibility and international prestige.

He defied US law by visiting Cuba, even addressing the Cuban public and handing Castro a huge propaganda victory. He oversaw the elections in Haiti, against the expressed wishes of the Clinton administration. A coup followed.

Carter once described Yugoslav strongman Marshal Josef Tito as "a man who believes in human rights." Regarding North Korea's dearly departed Kim Il-Sung, Carter found him "vigorous, intelligent, surprisingly well-informed about the technical issues, and in charge of the decisions about this country," adding "I don't see that [North Koreans] are an outlaw nation."

He was similarly generous regarding Manuel Noriega, Romanian dictator Nicolai Ceaucescu and, of course, Yasser Arafat. He said of Ceausescu and himself, "Our goals are the same: to have a just system of economics and politics . . . We believe in enhancing human rights."

Virtually all of the humanitarian activities of the Carter Foundation abroad have been in direct opposition to US foreign policy. Carter called Bush’s description of Iran, Iraq and North Korea as an "axis of evil" was "overly simplistic and counterproductive.”

Added the man who was once attacked by a rabbit, "I think it will take years before we can repair the damage done by that statement."

His most recent adventure may be partly behind the predicted $3.00 per gallon analysts say we'll be paying for gas by year's end. Jimmy Carter went to Venezuela to 'monitor' that country's effort to recall President Hugo Chavez.

In 1992, a band of army officers led by Lt. Col. Hugo Chávez Frías attempted to overthrow President Carlos Andrés Pérez. Although court-martialed and jailed, Chávez emerged a hero.

In 1998, he was elected president on promises to clean out corruption and reduce poverty. Once in office, Chávez promoted a new consitution to consolidate his powers and began to constrain the business community, civil society, and rival politicians.

As a presidential candidate, Hugo Chávez campaigned against the "savage capitalism" of the United States. On August 10, 2000, he became the first foreign leader to visit Saddam Hussein since the Gulf War, and he allegedly aided Afghanistan's Taliban government following the September 11, 2001, attack on the United States.

At the same time, Chávez said that Cuba and Venezuela were "called upon to be a spearhead and summon other nations and governments" to fight free market capitalism.

Venezuela is also one of the countries upon which the United States is dependent for oil, and has been since the US first began relying on imported oil supplies back in 1948.

Besides supplying the United States with 1.5 million barrels of oil a day, Venezuela provides most of the petroleum consumed by U.S. allies in the Caribbean and Central America.

Regional leaders know that opposing Chávez in any significant fashion could result in less favorable sales terms or cuts in deliveries.

In September 2003, President Chávez accused the Dominican Republic of harboring Venezuelans--like former President Carlos Andrés Pérez--who allegedly might conspire against his government. Chavez then stopped oil deliveries, prompting a temporary energy crisis while Dominican officials scrambled for new suppliers.

From the perspective of American economic interests, not to mention homeland security issues, Hugo Chavez is a very bad man to have in the neighborhood. And, thanks to Jimmy Carter, Chavez isn't going away anytime soon.

Venezuela's opposition party finally forced a recall election, with opinion polls showing that voters favored his recall by a margin of more than 2 to 1.

When there were questions about possible vote tampering by the Chavez side, the opposition called for election monitors. Chavez agreed to let Jimmy Carter oversee the election, and the Carter Center headed for Caracas.

Under Jimmy Carter's watchful eye, Hugo Chavez defeated the recall attempt by a wide margin -- reflecting almost a mirror-image of the opinion polls.

While two out of three Venzuelans polled before the election wanted Chavez out, when the ballots were counted, Chavez was declared the winner by an almost exact opposite margin. "About 58 percent said 'no' to a recall, while 42 percent said 'yes,'" wrote the Washington Post.

Carter ignored a press release from the polling firm Penn, Schoen & Berland Assoc. that reported, "Exit Poll Results Show Major Defeat for Chavez." The release, dated 7:30 p.m. on election day, said, "With Venezuela's voting set to end at 8 p.m. EST according to election officials, final exit poll results from Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates, an independent New York-based polling firm, show a major victory for the 'Yes' movement, defeating Chavez in the Venezuela presidential recall referendum."

One of the most effective ways to monitor the fairness of an election is to employ the use of exit polls. In a nutshell, here's how exit polls work. After somebody has finished voting, a pollster will ask them how they voted. In emerging democracies, about 90% of voters participate.

By contrast, in America, where exit polls are widely used to call elections before the votes are all counted, less than 40% of voters participate.

Statistically, exit polls should mirror the actual vote, within a relatively thin margin of error.

The margin of error between Carter's certified fair-and-square ballots and the independent exit poll results constituted a swing of almost forty points -- a statistical impossibility. Chavez counted on Carter leaning his way -- Carter's history of promoting anti-American dictators is no secret.

As Stephen Hayward noted in a column at Front Page, "among his complex motivations is his determination to override American foreign policy when it suits him."

Indeed, Carter's penchant for interfering in US foreign policy is so well known it won him a Nobel Prize. Jimmy Carter will go down in history as the first US ex-president ever to be awarded a Nobel Prize for the sole purpose of conveying an insult to his country from the Nobel committee.

Gunnar Berge, chairman of the five-member committee, told reporters that giving the Peace Prize to Carter "must also be seen as criticism of the line the current U.S. administration has taken on Iraq ... It's a kick in the leg to all that follow the same line as the United States."

("How can we REALLY show how much we hate the Americans? I know! Let's give a Nobel Prize to Jimmy Carter!")

Once Chavez had stolen the election and Jimmy Carter certified the results, certain American critics (pretty much anybody with a brain) started questioning whether or not Jimmy Carter had just sold American interests down the river -- again.

Carter hit back in a Wall Street Journal Opinion piece, writing;

"We are familiar with potential fraudulent techniques and how to obtain a close approximation to the actual results to assure accuracy."

Having established that Jimmy Carter is far too savvy to be conned by a mere thug like Chavez, Carter then dismissed the results of the exit polls, writing;

"During the voting day, opposition leaders claimed to have exit-poll data showing the government losing by 20 percentage points, and this erroneous information was distributed widely."

Well, that's that! The New York pollsters 'widely distributed erroneous information' -- Hugo Chavez won fair and square. Jimmy Carter says so.

Penn Schoen evidently must have cheated, although it is a reputable New York polling firm with a 20 year track record, including working for Bill Clinton in 1996, Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2001, Michael Bloomberg in 2001 and many other national political campaigns.

Why would it risk its hard-won professional reputation over an election in Venezuela? Carter doesn't explain.

Hugo Chavez is bad news from the perspective of US national security. He is bad news from the perspective of homeland security. He is bad news from the perspective of US dependence of foreign oil. And he is bad news for America's economic security.

Which makes Hugo Chavez good news from the perspective of the worst ex-president in US history.

Excerpted from the Omega Letter Daily Intelligence Digest, Volume:35: Issue 26

[mraynrand]

[mraynrand]

[Harlan Huckleby]

I don't believe that the Nobel Prize has diminished in prestige internationally one iota.

What has changed is the U.S. media. The web and talk radio have made us much more fragmented. People listen to like-minded journalists and entertainers, and it distorts our view of what other people are thinking.

Most of the people in this thread are coming from a right wing, American perspective. Do you realize how narrow this perspective is compared to the world as a whole? To merlin, the Nobel Prize winners are "flaming liberal extremists". And most people in this thread are from the conservative camp. IT's a big world out there.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Jimmy Carter: The Worst Ex-President in History

Better enjoy it, he loses his crown in 15 months.

[MJZiggy]

My biggest beef with that article is that it says that Carter "allowed" the hostage crisis to happen. Using that logic, Bush "allowed" 9-11 to happen and on our own soil which makes him 100x worse.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Ronald Reagan: Really a Big Douche Bag
by Ace Weebalo, Knightrider News Service

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[mraynrand]

My biggest beef with that article is that it says that Carter "allowed" the hostage crisis to happen. Using that logic, Bush "allowed" 9-11 to happen and on our own soil which makes him 100x worse.

He did in a way - he was swayed by the State department, which had argued that 'allowing' Iran to form a 'democratically elected' government was more in keeping with Carter's view's on freedom. What Carter didn' realize, being the naive guy he was (note I say naive, not stupid) was that there was to be no 'freely elected government' The military, which te Shah had allowed to take control was infiltrated with those mostly sympathetic to a more traditional hard line stance and were affiliated with the exitled khomeni. So in interests of 'free elections,' Carter was duped - or delusional, depending on how much he actually knew.