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    EXCLUSIVE: The Case for Israel's Strike on Syria

    Official: Air Attack Targeted Nascent Nuclear Facility Built With North Korean 'Expertise'

    By MARTHA RADDATZ
    Oct. 19, 2007—

    Israeli officials believed that a target their forces bombed inside Syria last month was a nuclear facility, because they had detailed photographs taken by a possible spy inside the complex, ABC News has learned.

    The Bush administration has steadfastly refused to say anything about the Israeli raid on Syria, or to confirm what was hit. But ABC News has learned of the apparent mole and other dramatic and secret details about the events leading up to the airstrike, plus the evidence that supported it.

    A senior U.S. official told ABC News the Israelis first discovered a suspected Syrian nuclear facility early in the summer, and the Mossad - Israel's intelligence agency - managed to either co-opt one of the facility's workers or to insert a spy posing as an employee.

    As a result, the Israelis obtained many detailed pictures of the facility from the ground.

    The official said the suspected nuclear facility was approximately 100 miles from the Iraqi border, deep in the desert along the Euphrates River. It was a place, the official said, "where no one would ever go unless you had a reason to go there."

    But the hardest evidence of all was the photographs.

    The official described the pictures as showing a big cylindrical structure, with very thick walls all well-reinforced. The photos show rebar hanging out of the cement used to reinforce the structure, which was still under construction.

    There was also a secondary structure and a pump station, with trucks around it. But there was no fissionable material found because the facility was not yet operating.

    The official said there was a larger structure just north of a small pump station; a nuclear reactor would need a constant source of water to keep it cool.

    The official said the facility was a North Korean design in its construction, the technology present and the ability to put it all together.

    It was North Korean "expertise," said the official, meaning the Syrians must have had "human" help from North Korea.

    A light water reactor designed by North Koreans could be constructed to specifically produce plutonium for nuclear weapons.

    When the Israelis came to the CIA with the pictures, the U.S. then got the site's coordinates and backed it up with very detailed satellite imagery of its own, and pinpointed "drop points" to determine what would be needed to target it.

    The Israelis urged the U.S. government to destroy the complex, and the U.S. started looking at options about how to destroy the facility: Targeters were assembled, and officials contemplated a special forces raid using helicopters, which would mean inserting forces to collect data and then blow the site up.

    That option would have been very daring, the official says, because of the distance from the border and the amount of explosives it would take to take down the facility.

    The options were considered, but according to the official, word came back from the White House that the United States was not interested in carrying out the raid.

    But as ABC News reported in July, the Israelis made the decision to take the facility out themselves, though the U.S. urged them not to. The Bush administration, with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates leading the way, said the Israelis and the U.S. should "confront not attack."

    The official said the facility had been there at least eight months before the strike, but because of the lack of fissionable material, the United States hesitated on the attack because it couldn't be absolutely proved that it was a nuclear site.

    But the official told ABC News, "It was unmistakable what it was going to be. There is no doubt in my mind."
    .................................................. ......................

    So the Bush Administration doesn't want to comment upon it publicly but ABC News finds a loose-lipped unnamed official to talk and then publishes the details of the strike in order to confirm the accuracy of their reporting back in July. Wow, aren't we all impressed?

    The terms, "Intelligence" and "The Media" just don't mix on so many levels. When they're not making up false stories they are publishing things to serve no positive purpose at all.

    What benefit comes from ABC's decision to publish this other than to inform the Syrians of the strike details, expose the Mossad's intelligence resources and possibly endanger the lives of the operative and his family? The North Koreans also learn that they need to readjust their construction techniques in order to better disguise the true purpose of similar facilities that they might be hired to build in the future.

    Could someone explain rationally (that leaves TB and HH out :P ) why ABC would report this story?

  • #2
    ABC reports this because they don't work for the government. They are the media and this is an interesting story. If it was on TV, I woudn't turn the channel. If it was in a magazine, I would read it. It's news worthy on many levels, primarily ratings wise.


    This isn't Stalin's Russia. The media is out to make money, not protect the government. I'm sure other coutries are well aware of the different types of attacks that can be launched and of what would/could be classified as a nuclear threat. This is just interesting reading/viewing brought to us by a company that survives by keeping our attn. Nothing out of the ordinary, really.
    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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    • #3
      Kiwon,

      It appears that ABC's main source for the story was a "senior U.S. official". Why are you mad at ABC? Either you should be mad at that official, or the Bush administration wanted this story to get out.
      I can't run no more
      With that lawless crowd
      While the killers in high places
      Say their prayers out loud
      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
      A thundercloud
      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Joemailman
        Kiwon,

        It appears that ABC's main source for the story was a "senior U.S. official". Why are you mad at ABC? Either you should be mad at that official, or the Bush administration wanted this story to get out.
        The question I asked was: "Could someone explain rationally why ABC would report this story?"

        JustinHarrell said it was for ratings. You didn't answer the question. The focus is on ABC News and their motives.

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        • #5
          OK, they should report the story because they are a news organization. Israel conducting a bombing campaign in Syria is news.
          I can't run no more
          With that lawless crowd
          While the killers in high places
          Say their prayers out loud
          But they've summoned, they've summoned up
          A thundercloud
          They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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          • #6
            Kiwan,

            Do you know of any news outlet that doesn't report this kind of stuff?
            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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            • #7
              Until the recent past, most news organizations have historically handled national security items, particularly those stories whose information might jeopardize the usefulness of secret intelligence or possibly disclose surveillance techniques, very carefully.

              It can take years to build up an intelligence network. In this case, someone risked his life to supply those photos. It's not worth someone's life just so ABC News can be the first with a story.

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              • #8
                I can't remember the guys Charlie Rose interviewed a while back, but a couple of network news editors discussed what they would broadcast and what they would withhold, whether they would consult with the government, etc. For the most part, the striking aspect of the discussion was that they basically admitted they would publish anything if they thought it was newsworthy and only give the government a heads up before it was printed/broadcast. There were cases like this during WWII - notably an article in the Chicago Trib about breaking the Japanese code, but they were far fewer, and the press was more cooperative with government - probably in some instances die to a fear of reprisals. Still, I think it's obvious that there was more patriotism among reporters a few generations ago - or at the very least a dramatically different view of what patriotism means.

                What's more worrisome is the governmental insiders who seem so eager to leak info, often for purely political reasons (not necessarily what happened in this case). I think that just illustrates the conflict between the direction the Bush Administration has wanted to go on foreign policy and the State Department direction which was (and surprisingly appears now, even stronger under Rice) biased toward the old Scowcroft/Powell 'stabilization' model that's been in place in the mideast for a long time. Officials (Bureaucrats) seem more willing to give out info that favors their approach over Bush's. It may also be a reaction to a bit of 'bullying' by Bush - pushing his policies without any regard for the Bureaucrats.
                "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kiwon
                  Until the recent past, most news organizations have historically handled national security items, particularly those stories whose information might jeopardize the usefulness of secret intelligence or possibly disclose surveillance techniques, very carefully.

                  It can take years to build up an intelligence network. In this case, someone risked his life to supply those photos. It's not worth someone's life just so ABC News can be the first with a story.
                  I don't think this story is as big of a secret as you think it is. It appeared in the Washington Post as early as September 21.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

                  Do you have information to show that the White House did not want this information made public? This may have been an intentional leak since it seems the White House did not want this attack to take place.
                  I can't run no more
                  With that lawless crowd
                  While the killers in high places
                  Say their prayers out loud
                  But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                  A thundercloud
                  They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mraynrand
                    What's more worrisome is the governmental insiders who seem so eager to leak info, often for purely political reasons (not necessarily what happened in this case).
                    You're right about the shift in patriotism among journalists and especially correct in the above comment.

                    The relatively untold story in the war against Islamo-terrorists since 9/11 is the active undermining of the Bush Administration by members of the Intelligence community (NSA, CIA, FBI, Homeland Security). Everybody was trying to cover his rear end after 9/11 and added to this are the partisan bureaucrats that are anti-Bush, pro-Dem and pro-Washington status quo. For some, political goals trumps patriotism, even during wartime.

                    The truth will come out in time, but it's criminal that those who are supposed to be dedicated to America's defense allow their dislike for a certain administration to circumvent their dedication to duty. The result has been that America is fighting this war with one hand tied behind its back. President Bush and his policies are not the cause of it. He's just the current target in the hyper-partisan atmosphere of Washington politics.

                    Unbelievable. Progress is being made in Iraq and the Dems have already staked out defeat as a political position. Now that's real patriotism for you. Wonder why Congress' approval rating stands at 11 percent?

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                    • #11
                      I knew there was a thread where Kiwon was going on about Syria.....well concerning Syria. Check it:

                      C.H.U.D.

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                      • #12
                        Ha, just like Jenny Craig....before and after shots.

                        Satellites are so cool.

                        Now let's move the camera a little to the East and start looking at Iran.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kiwon
                          Originally posted by mraynrand
                          What's more worrisome is the governmental insiders who seem so eager to leak info, often for purely political reasons (not necessarily what happened in this case).
                          You're right about the shift in patriotism among journalists and especially correct in the above comment.

                          The relatively untold story in the war against Islamo-terrorists since 9/11 is the active undermining of the Bush Administration by members of the Intelligence community (NSA, CIA, FBI, Homeland Security). Everybody was trying to cover his rear end after 9/11 and added to this are the partisan bureaucrats that are anti-Bush, pro-Dem and pro-Washington status quo. For some, political goals trumps patriotism, even during wartime.

                          The truth will come out in time, but it's criminal that those who are supposed to be dedicated to America's defense allow their dislike for a certain administration to circumvent their dedication to duty. The result has been that America is fighting this war with one hand tied behind its back. President Bush and his policies are not the cause of it. He's just the current target in the hyper-partisan atmosphere of Washington politics.

                          Unbelievable. Progress is being made in Iraq and the Dems have already staked out defeat as a political position. Now that's real patriotism for you. Wonder why Congress' approval rating stands at 11 percent?
                          do you actually believe the crap you write or are you some sorta Rush Limbaugh/Neal Boortz/Ann coulter bot.

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                          • #14
                            Don't you understand, Tyrone?

                            Support Bush policies=Patriotism

                            Oppose Bush Policies=Support The Terrorists
                            I can't run no more
                            With that lawless crowd
                            While the killers in high places
                            Say their prayers out loud
                            But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                            A thundercloud
                            They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Joemailman
                              Don't you understand, Tyrone?

                              Support Bush policies=Patriotism

                              Oppose Bush Policies=Support The Terrorists
                              My favorite part is how the WHOLE Gov't is out to get Bush. Including the Homeland Secutity...which HE created, and put his guy in charge. Oh lord.

                              Well, I guess i wasn't fair...HUD, Dep't of Ag, etc. don't appear to be to get him, but I wouldn't put it past them...sneaky bastards.

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