Religion & Politics rant - making new friends

[SkinBasket]

Tyrone and his family know that diamonds are easily transportable.

Diamonds, eh? That's what you're callin them these days?

[Freak Out]

Did anyone get the chance to see Rudy on Meet the Press yesterday?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

His giggling is just a little.......girlish?

I read somewhere that his Law firm Bracewell Guiliani is defending KBR in a lawsuit filed by US soldiers. Anyone else hear that he had a priest/rapist on his campaign staff?

[Harlan Huckleby]

You'll never hear a Jew ever say Judeo Christian.

We all know that this country is Christian. And, if there is a choice between the Judeo (old testament) and Christian (new testament) we know which way things will fall.

Ocassionally you hear the phrase "Judeo-Christian-Islamic." This is really more meaningful. The Torah & Old Testement are greatly overlapped. And the Qaran is essentially Muhammad introducing these same stories/concepts to the polytheists of Arabia. The Qaran also includes parts of the New Testement, Muslims revere Jesus as a prophet.

So Jews, Christians & Mulsims come from a common tradition. But they are different cultures now. I don't see how Jewish tradition informed our country. We were founded by Puritans, and other Christians who Garrison Keillor says "came to America to seek a religious oppression not possible in their country of origin." There were some Jewish settlers in early America in the deep south (seems kind of funny now), but not that many.

I watched a panel discussion on religion-state issues on CSPAN, and the three Jewish people all were uncomfortable with the "Judeo-Christian" phrase. It makes sense. Their history is that of a minority struggling to maintain their identity. They don't want to be lumped into some majoritarian movement.

I know "Judeo-Christain" has a legitimate historical meaning, but in the context of recent debate on the seperation of church/state, it is frequently used as a marketing tool by Christians who want to put prayer in school and gays in the closet.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You'll never hear a Jew ever say Judeo Christian.

We all know that this country is Christian. And, if there is a choice between the Judeo (old testament) and Christian (new testament) we know which way things will fall.

Ocassionally you hear the phrase "Judeo-Christian-Islamic." This is really more meaningful. The Torah & Old Testement are greatly overlapped. And the Qaran is essentially Muhammad introducing these same stories/concepts to the polytheists of Arabia. The Qaran also includes parts of the New Testement, Muslims revere Jesus as a prophet.

So Jews, Christians & Mulsims come from a common tradition. But they are different cultures now. I don't see how Jewish tradition informed our country. We were founded by Puritans, and other Christians who Garrison Keillor says "came to America to seek a religious oppression not possible in their country of origin." There were some Jewish settlers in early America in the deep south (seems kind of funny now), but not that many.

I watched a panel discussion on religion-state issues on CSPAN, and the three Jewish people all were uncomfortable with the "Judeo-Christian" phrase. It makes sense. Their history is that of a minority struggling to maintain their identity. They don't want to be lumped into some majoritarian movement.

I know "Judeo-Christain" has a legitimate historical meaning, but in the context of recent debate on the seperation of church/state, it is frequently used as a marketing tool by Christians who want to put prayer in school and gays in the closet.

There are quite a number of synagogues down south..mostly fallling apart. Not that strange. No formal immigration standard..so whatever port. Charleston is as viable as Boston. Many arrived thru louisiana. Also, their skills as merchants and traders were more needed in an agragrian south than more industrialized north.

Jews were in america starting back in 1654.

Puritans: Never heard Keillor on that, makes sense. I always think of the puritans as ultra religious jerks. Think about it. It wasn't like england was some sort of raving cauldron of liberalism and tolerance. yet, it was to much for them. And, the Dutch couldn't handle the puritans either. How much of an ass do you have to be to have the dutch on your ass? They even tolerated the jews.

Jews do have a shared background, but are far from being like Christians. They don't view god the same way, don't have the same relationship with god, don't view our religion the same way, don't view being gay the same way, don't view sex the same way, etc.

Jews, culturally, prolly are closer to muslims than christians.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I see muslims and christians being the most similar of that triad. Jews accept converts, but essentially mind their own business. Muslims & Christians are aggressive in spreading their beliefs. Which is why they are perpetually in such tense conflict.

As far as the issue of sexuality, my information is anecdotal, but the Jews I've known fuck like bunnies.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I see muslims and christians being the most similar of that triad. Jews accept converts, but essentially mind their own business. Muslims & Christians are aggressive in spreading their beliefs. Which is why they are perpetually in such tense conflict.

As far as the issue of sexuality, my information is anecdotal, but the Jews I've known fuck like bunnies.

Muslims: I meant that they have a shared culture and are hated by christians.

Rabbits: Umm, “Go forth and multiply” was the first commandment in the Bible. Jews take their bible very seriously.

There is another commandment that men satisfy their wives. God asks to much from JEWS.

From King David to Ron Jeremy...jews have always taken a strong interest in sex.

Jews and sex: Judiasm views sex as a natural act, no different than eating or drinking. And both of those done properly are beneficial to the body...as is sex. Improper eating/drinking leads to problems as does improper sex.

Jewish law, followed by a minority is a bit conservative. But, even Conservatives wrote a tract about meaningful non married sex vs. promiscuity.

[Freak Out]

All this talk about Judeo Christian values....

FZ:

I want a nasty little Jewish princess
With long phony nails and a hairdo that rinses
A horny little Jewish princess
With a garlic aroma that could level Tacoma
Lonely inside
Well, she can swallow my pride

I want a hairy little Jewish princess
With a brand new nose, who knows where it goes
I want a steamy little Jewish princess
With over-worked gums, who squeaks when she cums
I don't want no troll
I just want a Yemenite hole

I want a darling little Jewish princess
Who don't shit about cooking and is arrogant looking
A vicious little Jewish princess
To specifically happen with a pee-pee thats snappin
All up inside
I just want a princess to ride

Awright, back to the top...everybody twist

I want a funky little Jewish princess
A grinder; a bumper, with a pre-moistened dumper
A brazen little Jewish princess
With titanic tits, and sand-blasted zits
She can even be poor
So long as she does it with four on the floor
(vapor-lock)

I want a dainty little Jewish princess
With a couple of sisters who can raise a few blisters
A fragile little Jewish princess
With Romanian thighs, who weasels n lies
For two or three nights

Wont someone send me a princess who bites
Wont someone send me a princess who bites

[Freak Out]

Just stick with the issues please.

Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith
Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:36am EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said he considers his rival Mitt Romney's Mormon faith a religion, not a cult, but questioned whether Mormons believe "Jesus and the devil are brothers."

Huckabee raised the question on his own in an interview to appear in The New York Times magazine on Sunday, and ignited a new flap in the up-for-grabs race to be the Republican Party's nominee in the November 2008 presidential election.

Huckabee was asked if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. "I think it's a religion," he said in the interview, published on the newspaper's Web site on Wednesday. "I really don't know much about it."

Then he asked: "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?"

Romney, who has tried to dispel conservative Christians' worries about the Mormon faith, responded on NBC's "Today" show on Wednesday.

"I think attacking someone's religion is really going too far. It's just not the American way. and I think people will reject that," the former Massachusetts governor said.

"That's been something that's been leveled at our church over many many years and of course that's been set straight now," he added.

Huckabee, a Baptist minister and former Arkansas governor, has surged in public opinion polls and is now ahead of Romney in polls in Iowa, which holds its caucus, the first test of the U.S. state-by-state nominating season, on Jan 3.

He made the comment before Romney gave a major speech last week trying to dispel fears about his church, known formally as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, particularly among conservative Christians, an important voting bloc. Romney said he believes Jesus Christ is the son of God and savior of mankind, and that his White House would not be controlled by his church.

Romney responded with a sharp attack on Huckabee's positions on issues such as immigration and taxing and spending. "I think Mike was desperately hoping we would get through this without people taking a close look at his positions and his record," he said.

(Reporting by Joanne Kenen, editing by Lori Santos)

[Tyrone Bigguns]

All this talk about Judeo Christian values....

FZ:

I want a nasty little Jewish princess
With long phony nails and a hairdo that rinses
A horny little Jewish princess
With a garlic aroma that could level Tacoma
Lonely inside
Well, she can swallow my pride

I want a hairy little Jewish princess
With a brand new nose, who knows where it goes
I want a steamy little Jewish princess
With over-worked gums, who squeaks when she cums
I don't want no troll
I just want a Yemenite hole

I want a darling little Jewish princess
Who don't shit about cooking and is arrogant looking
A vicious little Jewish princess
To specifically happen with a pee-pee thats snappin
All up inside
I just want a princess to ride

Awright, back to the top...everybody twist

I want a funky little Jewish princess
A grinder; a bumper, with a pre-moistened dumper
A brazen little Jewish princess
With titanic tits, and sand-blasted zits
She can even be poor
So long as she does it with four on the floor
(vapor-lock)

I want a dainty little Jewish princess
With a couple of sisters who can raise a few blisters
A fragile little Jewish princess
With Romanian thighs, who weasels n lies
For two or three nights

Wont someone send me a princess who bites
Wont someone send me a princess who bites

God, how i hate zappa's lyrics. I know i'm suppose to think he is a genius and such, but his humor is sophomoric at best.

However, since he was half arab and part french, it does make me wonder about him. Lyrics seem a bit hostile.

Just as concerned with stereotypes that aren't accurate. Jews and garlic? Huh? Jewish princesses and hairdos that rinse? Wrong group.

[Freak Out]

All this talk about Judeo Christian values....

FZ:

I want a nasty little Jewish princess
With long phony nails and a hairdo that rinses
A horny little Jewish princess
With a garlic aroma that could level Tacoma
Lonely inside
Well, she can swallow my pride

I want a hairy little Jewish princess
With a brand new nose, who knows where it goes
I want a steamy little Jewish princess
With over-worked gums, who squeaks when she cums
I don't want no troll
I just want a Yemenite hole

I want a darling little Jewish princess
Who don't shit about cooking and is arrogant looking
A vicious little Jewish princess
To specifically happen with a pee-pee thats snappin
All up inside
I just want a princess to ride

Awright, back to the top...everybody twist

I want a funky little Jewish princess
A grinder; a bumper, with a pre-moistened dumper
A brazen little Jewish princess
With titanic tits, and sand-blasted zits
She can even be poor
So long as she does it with four on the floor
(vapor-lock)

I want a dainty little Jewish princess
With a couple of sisters who can raise a few blisters
A fragile little Jewish princess
With Romanian thighs, who weasels n lies
For two or three nights

Wont someone send me a princess who bites
Wont someone send me a princess who bites

God, how i hate zappa's lyrics. I know i'm suppose to think he is a genius and such, but his humor is sophomoric at best.

However, since he was half arab and part french, it does make me wonder about him. Lyrics seem a bit hostile.

Just as concerned with stereotypes that aren't accurate. Jews and garlic? Huh? Jewish princesses and hairdos that rinse? Wrong group.

Sophomoric is the point here.....his lyrics weren't what made his music so great for most fans though.

[Freak Out]

All this talk about Judeo Christian values....

FZ:

I want a nasty little Jewish princess
With long phony nails and a hairdo that rinses
A horny little Jewish princess
With a garlic aroma that could level Tacoma
Lonely inside
Well, she can swallow my pride

I want a hairy little Jewish princess
With a brand new nose, who knows where it goes
I want a steamy little Jewish princess
With over-worked gums, who squeaks when she cums
I don't want no troll
I just want a Yemenite hole

I want a darling little Jewish princess
Who don't shit about cooking and is arrogant looking
A vicious little Jewish princess
To specifically happen with a pee-pee thats snappin
All up inside
I just want a princess to ride

Awright, back to the top...everybody twist

I want a funky little Jewish princess
A grinder; a bumper, with a pre-moistened dumper
A brazen little Jewish princess
With titanic tits, and sand-blasted zits
She can even be poor
So long as she does it with four on the floor
(vapor-lock)

I want a dainty little Jewish princess
With a couple of sisters who can raise a few blisters
A fragile little Jewish princess
With Romanian thighs, who weasels n lies
For two or three nights

Wont someone send me a princess who bites
Wont someone send me a princess who bites

God, how i hate zappa's lyrics. I know i'm suppose to think he is a genius and such, but his humor is sophomoric at best.

However, since he was half arab and part french, it does make me wonder about him. Lyrics seem a bit hostile.

Just as concerned with stereotypes that aren't accurate. Jews and garlic? Huh? Jewish princesses and hairdos that rinse? Wrong group.

Perhaps you should actually listen to some of his music besides the run of the mill titties and beer stuff. Stereotypes that aren't accurate? Hostile?

[Harlan Huckleby]

All this talk about Judeo Christian values....

one more kick:

there's really no such thing as Judeo-Christian values. Or at least it makes no more or less sense than saying Pakistan is built upon Judeo-Islamic values.

Did anybody catch Alan Keyes in the Republican debate yesterday? Wow, that guy is a live wire. I like him though, just because he is such a smart, effective and civil advocate. He said that the answer to our educational problems is to have prayer and religious education in schools. Only by obtaining this moral grounding, can a student have the self-discipline to study math and science. And most astounding, he said that we have a "national creed" that we need to rally around.

At least Alan Keyes tells you what he really wants.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith

I think Huckabee made an off-hand, idiotic remark. I can't imagine he thought this would be an effective political ploy. (You need to have underlings do this sort of dirty smearing, and then react publicly with revulsion!)

[hoosier]

All this talk about Judeo Christian values....

one more kick:

there's really no such thing as Judeo-Christian values. Or at least it makes no more or less sense than saying Pakistan is built upon Judeo-Islamic values.

Did anybody catch Alan Keyes in the Republican debate yesterday? Wow, that guy is a live wire. I like him though, just because he is such a smart, effective and civil advocate. He said that the answer to our educational problems is to have prayer and religious education in schools. Only by obtaining this moral grounding, can a student have the self-discipline to study math and science. And most astounding, he said that we have a "national creed" that we need to rally around.

At least Alan Keyes tells you what he really wants.

Yeah, even if it would mean taking us back to the days of the Puritans. But what's so astounding about the national creed line? Isn't that basically what all Repub candidates are saying?

[Harlan Huckleby]

But what's so astounding about the national creed line? Isn't that basically what all Repub candidates are saying?

OK, this is a first for me. I have no friggin idea what "national creed" means but it creeps me out. Obviously "creed" has a religious connotation.