Lost Season 4

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They have been on the island I think like 60 days now.

[Freak Out]

They have been on the island I think like 60 days now.

Kind of a 24 thing then....ok.

[twoseven]

those aren't spoilers. Look at your guide on your TV. I'm not a dick, I'm not going to ruin any episodes. Those have been on IMDB and your time warner cable guide for 3+ months.

Would you possibly agree that you'll get more people participating in this string if you DO NOT allienate them with what they feel to be spoliing information? Just a thought.

[twoseven]

So im semi new to lost, but the show kicks ass,

btw i dont know if you guys have talked about this or not, but i have a feeling that the submarine plays a factor, now i may be looking into it too much but i think locke hid the sub somewhere else and instead blew up the dock.

Also i think that the scene with the p-bear on the desert is just another dharma site.

The plane in the water was staged, obviously, by dharma to put all this to rest so they could go in without any attention.

Regardless of what that dig site is all about, the collar on the bear's neck came from the Hydra Station, that is the island where Sawyer and Kate were hanging out in cages.

[twoseven]

They have been on the island I think like 60 days now.

They have been there 92 days exactly.

[red]

theres something weird with the others too, i don't mean ben, i mean the original others

that one guy, the #2 guy, looks the exact same now as he did when ben first met him, he was the guy that kind of recruted him. we're talking like 30 or 40 years and the guy hadn't aged a bit

also, does anyone else think that jacob has something to do with jacobs ladder?

[twoseven]

So the people on the freighter, we have Dharma, and we have time travel.

I like the show but if it goes too far into science fiction with time travel, and there is no De Lorean with a crazy Dr. Brown I am gonna be pissed.

A plane knocked to pieces and blasted from the sky by an electromagnetic pulse on the island, desmond's mistake.

An island that no one seems able to find or navigate away from to civilization.

The chittering black smoke that showed Echo his evil past right before it bashed him to death, but apparently thinks highly of Locke.

A tiny plane, Echo's brother's, that somehow flies thousands of miles on a single tank.

A polar bear that does the same as the plane.

A centuries old pirate/colonial ship, Black Rock, that managed to dock itself in the middle of the island.

The remains of a six toed foot that was probably an enormous statue on a shoreline.

Numerous sightings of things that may or may not be on the island (Jack's dad, Hurley's buddy, Echo's brother, a black horse that both Jack and Kate saw, Ben's mother, Charlie, Walt).

An Island that apparently heals certain people, cures imperfections (Locke's legs and wounds, Sun's reproductive system, Bernard's wife's cancer).

An Island that will not allow reproduction without death of mother and child.

Roger Alpert, the true leader of the others (guy with dark hair that counsels Ben) that may actually be many many years old as he has yet to age a single day on the island, Ben's flashback to present time. Was he on the Black Rock's maiden voyage to the island perhaps?

Jacob the ghost that only Ben, Locke, and now Hurley can see?

Desmond's visions.

Walt's abilities.

A temple referenced by Ben in season finale that we've yet to see.

...all this and plenty more I've forgotten or left out.. but time travel would be somehow over the top?. Yeah, it seemed so normal to this point.

[Charles Woodson]

Jacob the ghost that only Ben, Locke, and now Hurley can see?

HUrley can see it, locke can hear it and i think ben can see it, but as far as i know locke is the only one that can hear it

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those aren't spoilers. Look at your guide on your TV. I'm not a dick, I'm not going to ruin any episodes. Those have been on IMDB and your time warner cable guide for 3+ months.

Would you possibly agree that you'll get more people participating in this string if you DO NOT allienate them with what they feel to be spoliing information? Just a thought.

Well, I really don't think its a spoiler but Nutz and I have a tough love relationship. Bohica Nutz.

[twoseven]

Jacob the ghost that only Ben, Locke, and now Hurley can see?

HUrley can see it, locke can hear it and i think ben can see it, but as far as i know locke is the only one that can hear it

Just finding the cabin is a big deal I think, not something just anyone can do, something old Locke didn't seem to appreciate when he heard Hurley had been there. Hurley hasn't had the chance to hear him. Ben has seen him and heard him, unless he's bs-ing about all the communication he's had with Jacob.

[Charles Woodson]

Jacob the ghost that only Ben, Locke, and now Hurley can see?

HUrley can see it, locke can hear it and i think ben can see it, but as far as i know locke is the only one that can hear it

Just finding the cabin is a big deal I think, not something just anyone can do, something old Locke didn't seem to appreciate when he heard Hurley had been there. Hurley hasn't had the chance to hear him. Ben has seen him and heard him, unless he's bs-ing about all the communication he's had with Jacob.

but why would ben ask locke what jacob said if he could hear him?

[twoseven]

Jacob the ghost that only Ben, Locke, and now Hurley can see?

HUrley can see it, locke can hear it and i think ben can see it, but as far as i know locke is the only one that can hear it

Just finding the cabin is a big deal I think, not something just anyone can do, something old Locke didn't seem to appreciate when he heard Hurley had been there. Hurley hasn't had the chance to hear him. Ben has seen him and heard him, unless he's bs-ing about all the communication he's had with Jacob.

but why would ben ask locke what jacob said if he could hear him?

That Ben could not hear Jacob when he moaned 'help me' does not mean Ben has never heard him any other time.

Ben has been running his little society using Jacob's orders as the be-all-end-all voice of authority. Most recently Ben told patch-eye that Jacob told him to block all communications at the looking glass underwater station because the island was under attack from outside forces like they had not seen in a long time, right before he ordered patchy to kill the two women and Charlie in the season 3 finale.

There hasn't been any proof to this point that the show has given the viewer that Ben can actually hear Jacob, there hasn't been any to the contrary either. The numerous times Ben has referenced Jacob have always suggested he could both see and hear him. Kind of hard to be spreading Jacob's orders among the others if he can't actually hear him I would think. If he cannot actually hear him..the show hasn't gone there just yet.

[Charles Woodson]

Jacob the ghost that only Ben, Locke, and now Hurley can see?

HUrley can see it, locke can hear it and i think ben can see it, but as far as i know locke is the only one that can hear it

Just finding the cabin is a big deal I think, not something just anyone can do, something old Locke didn't seem to appreciate when he heard Hurley had been there. Hurley hasn't had the chance to hear him. Ben has seen him and heard him, unless he's bs-ing about all the communication he's had with Jacob.

but why would ben ask locke what jacob said if he could hear him?

That Ben could not hear Jacob when he moaned 'help me' does not mean Ben has never heard him any other time.

Ben has been running his little society using Jacob's orders as the be-all-end-all voice of authority. Most recently Ben told patch-eye that Jacob told him to block all communications at the looking glass underwater station because the island was under attack from outside forces like they had not seen in a long time, right before he ordered patchy to kill the two women and Charlie in the season 3 finale.

There hasn't been any proof to this point that the show has given the viewer that Ben can actually hear Jacob, there hasn't been any to the contrary either. The numerous times Ben has referenced Jacob have always suggested he could both see and hear him. Kind of hard to be spreading Jacob's orders among the others if he can't actually hear him I would think. If he cannot actually hear him..the show hasn't gone there just yet.

hmm, good point.
I just cant wait till next weeks episodes

[oregonpackfan]

So the people on the freighter, we have Dharma, and we have time travel.

I like the show but if it goes too far into science fiction with time travel, and there is no De Lorean with a crazy Dr. Brown I am gonna be pissed.

A plane knocked to pieces and blasted from the sky by an electromagnetic pulse on the island, desmond's mistake.

An island that no one seems able to find or navigate away from to civilization.

The chittering black smoke that showed Echo his evil past right before it bashed him to death, but apparently thinks highly of Locke.

A tiny plane, Echo's brother's, that somehow flies thousands of miles on a single tank.

A polar bear that does the same as the plane.

A centuries old pirate/colonial ship, Black Rock, that managed to dock itself in the middle of the island.

The remains of a six toed foot that was probably an enormous statue on a shoreline.

Numerous sightings of things that may or may not be on the island (Jack's dad, Hurley's buddy, Echo's brother, a black horse that both Jack and Kate saw, Ben's mother, Charlie, Walt).

An Island that apparently heals certain people, cures imperfections (Locke's legs and wounds, Sun's reproductive system, Bernard's wife's cancer).

An Island that will not allow reproduction without death of mother and child.

Roger Alpert, the true leader of the others (guy with dark hair that counsels Ben) that may actually be many many years old as he has yet to age a single day on the island, Ben's flashback to present time. Was he on the Black Rock's maiden voyage to the island perhaps?

Jacob the ghost that only Ben, Locke, and now Hurley can see?

Desmond's visions.

Walt's abilities.

A temple referenced by Ben in season finale that we've yet to see.

...all this and plenty more I've forgotten or left out.. but time travel would be somehow over the top?. Yeah, it seemed so normal to this point.

This is quite a collection of the many inexplainable events and relationships about the island.

It also gives me a flashback to Catholic grade school during Catechism class when our priest would come in. When we would ask him questions for which there was seemingly no plausiable explanation, he would lamely respond, "Well, it's a mystery...."

In essence, accepting mysteries was supposed to be an integral part of Catholic theology.

[twoseven]

So the people on the freighter, we have Dharma, and we have time travel.

I like the show but if it goes too far into science fiction with time travel, and there is no De Lorean with a crazy Dr. Brown I am gonna be pissed.

A plane knocked to pieces and blasted from the sky by an electromagnetic pulse on the island, desmond's mistake.

An island that no one seems able to find or navigate away from to civilization.

The chittering black smoke that showed Echo his evil past right before it bashed him to death, but apparently thinks highly of Locke.

A tiny plane, Echo's brother's, that somehow flies thousands of miles on a single tank.

A polar bear that does the same as the plane.

A centuries old pirate/colonial ship, Black Rock, that managed to dock itself in the middle of the island.

The remains of a six toed foot that was probably an enormous statue on a shoreline.

Numerous sightings of things that may or may not be on the island (Jack's dad, Hurley's buddy, Echo's brother, a black horse that both Jack and Kate saw, Ben's mother, Charlie, Walt).

An Island that apparently heals certain people, cures imperfections (Locke's legs and wounds, Sun's reproductive system, Bernard's wife's cancer).

An Island that will not allow reproduction without death of mother and child.

Roger Alpert, the true leader of the others (guy with dark hair that counsels Ben) that may actually be many many years old as he has yet to age a single day on the island, Ben's flashback to present time. Was he on the Black Rock's maiden voyage to the island perhaps?

Jacob the ghost that only Ben, Locke, and now Hurley can see?

Desmond's visions.

Walt's abilities.

A temple referenced by Ben in season finale that we've yet to see.

...all this and plenty more I've forgotten or left out.. but time travel would be somehow over the top?. Yeah, it seemed so normal to this point.

This is quite a collection of the many inexplainable events and relationships about the island.

It also gives me a flashback to Catholic grade school during Catechism class when our priest would come in. When we would ask him questions for which there was seemingly no plausiable explanation, he would lamely respond, "Well, it's a mystery...."

In essence, accepting mysteries was supposed to be an integral part of Catholic theology.

Anyone that has a problem accepting that religion may be a deep seeded part of the island and its wonders may also grit their teeth at Lost as it continues to unfold. Some parallels between Lost and certain theological accounts are floating around blogs and message boards.