More U.N. BS

[Freak Out]

Crop yields have gone way up if you can buy the seed, fertilizer and materials needed to make it happen but there are people in the world today that are still subsistence farmers and there are many factors that determine whether or not they can grow enough food to survive and weather is a big factor....global warming or not. I know its hard to believe for some but not everyone on the planet can drive down to the Safeway when they are hungry and whip out the visa card or food stamps to load up on fucking ding dongs.
...and getting food to the people that really need it is much easier said than done...and oil prices "might" be a factor? are we still in the age of sail here? How are things transported around the planet? Telekinesis? There may be plenty of food but most of the entities that control it aren't going to give it away....someone has to pay for it.
Developed countries have stable infrastructure that can produce and move the food we eat around rapidly and we can feed the hungry in our country with handouts pretty easily but that is not the case in some areas.

Nice rant, but still wrong. You know I'm not saying everyone in the word can buy food at "Safeway".

What areas? You still throw out these generalizations and can't come up with an example of which poor starving people you're referring to. I've already stated that I'm referring to starving people in Africa whose so-called governments keep the people poor and hungry as a measure to control them. Gas prices could be 10 cents a gallon and global temps could be perfectly stable, and these people would still be starving because that's what their leaders have decided the people will do.

Did you say you were just referring to starving people in Africa? I missed that...I agree that there are governments (Sudan..) that are trying to use food as a way of controlling/disposing of a group of people in their territory but the problem of global hunger is not just govenment obstruction of a food supply. There are places in Africa where we have had unfettered access to for years and the people still go hungry...does the government stop the rain from falling? Does the government unleash locusts every year? Getting the food to the worlds hungry costs lots of $$$ and many times its not there. Africa, Asia, South America...does it matter what area? producing food takes capital...if you want to eat you better be able to grow it, buy it or kill it other wise get in line and hope for the best. Our tax dollars insure the American farmer (corporate or otherwise) can go out and get the seed and equipment they need to grow our food but that is not the global norm. The USDA states that 6-10 percent of Americans go hungry throughout the year....most have to make a choice between food, medical attention and heating oil/gas...is that the governments fault?

[Freak Out]

This is interesting....

http://www.usda.gov/documents/8907Manhattanmap.pdf

[LL2]

This is interesting....

http://www.usda.gov/documents/8907Manhattanmap.pdf

Is that map saying that people in Manhattan get farm subsidies? Gov't assistance or money? If that's the case ... WTF? What do they grow there? Another example of gov't waste.

[Freak Out]

This is interesting....

http://www.usda.gov/documents/8907Manhattanmap.pdf

Is that map saying that people in Manhattan get farm subsidies? Gov't assistance or money? If that's the case ... WTF? What do they grow there? Another example of gov't waste.

This is where I found the map...

http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usdafarmbill?navtype=SU&navid=FARM_BILL_FORUMS

I have not had the time to dig into what the hell we are actually being shown.

I did fire off an email asking for some clarification on the pdf but it's almost 8pm there now.

[the_idle_threat]

Crop yields have gone way up if you can buy the seed, fertilizer and materials needed to make it happen but there are people in the world today that are still subsistence farmers and there are many factors that determine whether or not they can grow enough food to survive and weather is a big factor....global warming or not. I know its hard to believe for some but not everyone on the planet can drive down to the Safeway when they are hungry and whip out the visa card or food stamps to load up on fucking ding dongs.
...and getting food to the people that really need it is much easier said than done...and oil prices "might" be a factor? are we still in the age of sail here? How are things transported around the planet? Telekinesis? There may be plenty of food but most of the entities that control it aren't going to give it away....someone has to pay for it.
Developed countries have stable infrastructure that can produce and move the food we eat around rapidly and we can feed the hungry in our country with handouts pretty easily but that is not the case in some areas.

Nice rant, but still wrong. You know I'm not saying everyone in the word can buy food at "Safeway".

What areas? You still throw out these generalizations and can't come up with an example of which poor starving people you're referring to. I've already stated that I'm referring to starving people in Africa whose so-called governments keep the people poor and hungry as a measure to control them. Gas prices could be 10 cents a gallon and global temps could be perfectly stable, and these people would still be starving because that's what their leaders have decided the people will do.

Did you say you were just referring to starving people in Africa? I missed that...I agree that there are governments (Sudan..) that are trying to use food as a way of controlling/disposing of a group of people in their territory but the problem of global hunger is not just govenment obstruction of a food supply. There are places in Africa where we have had unfettered access to for years and the people still go hungry...does the government stop the rain from falling? Does the government unleash locusts every year? Getting the food to the worlds hungry costs lots of $$$ and many times its not there. Africa, Asia, South America...does it matter what area? producing food takes capital...if you want to eat you better be able to grow it, buy it or kill it other wise get in line and hope for the best. Our tax dollars insure the American farmer (corporate or otherwise) can go out and get the seed and equipment they need to grow our food but that is not the global norm. The USDA states that 6-10 percent of Americans go hungry throughout the year....most have to make a choice between food, medical attention and heating oil/gas...is that the governments fault?

I guess it's an issue of proximate cause to me. I think fuel prices and global warming are way down the list in causes of mass hunger compared to corrupt governments or, apparently in the cases you're describing above, people too stupid to GTFO of inhospitable places. You can only go so far to help those who can't or won't help themselves.

I'm not gonna cry about driving an SUV (even though I don't, but in principle) because in a remote sequence of events it might contribute to world hunger, when there are other much greater contributing factors.

[the_idle_threat]

This is interesting....

http://www.usda.gov/documents/8907Manhattanmap.pdf

Is that map saying that people in Manhattan get farm subsidies? Gov't assistance or money? If that's the case ... WTF? What do they grow there? Another example of gov't waste.

This is where I found the map...

http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usdafarmbill?navtype=SU&navid=FARM_BILL_FORUMS

I have not had the time to dig into what the hell we are actually being shown.

I did fire off an email asking for some clarification on the pdf but it's almost 8pm there now.

I've seen this map before, and I'm not entirely sure of the whole story regarding what is being shown, but I recall an explanation to the effect that the regualr dots are recipients of crop subsidies, and the really large dots represent extra large of subsidies to those particular recipients---in seven figures or something to that effect.

A simple explanation---aside from scamming and graft, which probably accounts for a potion of it---is that the farm subsidies are paid to owners of farmable land even if they are absentee owners. Surely a person in NYC could own a parcel of land upstate or out of state that is farmable, and might be receiving some kind of farm subsidy payment. This is especially credible given the fact that some (perhaps most or all) farm subsidies take the form of direct payments to land owners on the condition that they NOT farm the land, so as to artifically lower supply and therefore prop up prices. The kind of people who are most likely to take advantage of such a program, you would think, are the absentee owners who are not farming the land anyway, and take these payments in leiu of leasing the land to local farmers who would plant on it. I don't know for certain if this is the major contributing factor, but it would be my guess.

[the_idle_threat]

http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/farming_park_avenue_farm_subsidies_from_manhattan_to_montana/C8/L8/

http://www.optimist123.com/optimist/2007/11/farm-subsidies-.html

Well, I wasn't too far off. Some articles on point, including some interesting discussion in the comments to the second one.

[Kiwon]

This is especially credible given the fact that some (perhaps most or all) farm subsidies take the form of direct payments to land owners on the condition that they NOT farm the land, so as to artifically lower supply and therefore prop up prices.

Idle, shhhh......

You're messing up the U.N.'s doom and gloom supply and demand scenario.

Let's get the story straight. Global warming has ruined the land in upstate New York and rendered it useless.

These gentlemen farmers are making out like bandits and we don't want to spoil their good thing. If they can't collect money by not farming then at least they can dive in the bureaucracy, disguise themselves and collect money as victims of global warming.

Heavens, the last thing they need to do is actually hire some (illegal) folks and farm the land.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Mason's control everything. The U.N. is merely a pawn of the priory of scion.

[Kiwon]

Mason's control everything. The U.N. is merely a pawn of the priory of scion.

That would be, "The Masons control everything." Absolutely.

Democratic and Socialist class warfare Seasons' Greetings from New Orleans: "Shut up, white boy"

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