Official 2008 NFL Draft thread Day 2

[Rastak]

Raiders take WR Shields:


Strengths: Has adequate foot speed and can get a clean release working against press coverage. Possesses good top-end speed, tracks the ball well and can stretch the field. Reads defenses well and can locate seams when sees zone coverage. Uses shoulder to set up breaks and can get inside leverage on defensive backs. Tough and is fearless going over the middle. Catches the ball in-stride and is fluid turning upfield. Stays focused and makes tough catches in traffic. Catches the ball away from frame and isn't going to drop many passes that should catch. Takes pride in blocking and flashes the ability to sustain once in position. Shows good restraint rather than getting flagged for clipping when can't get into position but also has a mean streak and flashes a powerful punch when is able to square up. Plays with emotion and is a competitor. Has experience returning kickoffs and can contribute on special teams.

Weaknesses: Undersized, lacks the frame to comfortably add weight and is going to get pushed around by bigger corners. While is smooth getting in and out of cuts and runs adequate routes, lacks the burst to consistently separate from man coverage. Doesn't time jumps well and isn't going to win many jump balls at this point. Is faster than quick, lacks the elusiveness to make defenders miss in the open field and isn't a big-play threat after the catch. Runs too upright and takes some big hits. Played at a small school and there is some concern about ability to adjust to the speed of the game at the NFL level. Missed 2006 season finale with an injury, missed ten games with a season-ending knee injury in 2007 and durability is a concern.

Overall: Shields redshirted his first year at Richmond. In his first three active seasons (2004-'06), he played in 34 games and combined for 146 receptions for 1,805 yards (12.4 average) and 13 touchdowns. He shredded Vanderbilt for 12 catches and 107 yards in the 2007 opener but in the Spiders' second game suffered a knee injury that essentially cost him the season. (Shields returned weeks later to start and make a 14-yard catch against Rhode Island, but didn't play again the rest of the year.) He also missed Richmond's final game of 2006 because of an injury. Shields has the tools to develop into a reliable sub-package receiver and he started off the 2007 season with a bang catching 12 passes against Division I Vanderbilt. However, a knee injury forced him to miss most of the rest of the season and the injury coupled with the fact that he lacks prototypical explosiveness should make him a late-round pick or rookie free agent.

[Tarlam!]

......................... but we don't think of our spouses as salable objects.



Try being married to 7 at the same time and see if your still singing the same tune.

Hahahahahahahah!

I have trouble convincing a single woman to like me - two at the same time would be a dream. Seven has got to be forbidden!

[Scott Campbell]

Packers give up the 30th pick - 620 points,

and get the 36th pick (540 points) and 113th pick (68 points) = 608 points.


So we lost 12 points on this one too.

I think TT has his own board and points. Every time he's traded sofar, we lost out on points with these boards...


I don't think we lost many point evalutaions in previous years.

He could value far differently from the chart. Say for instance he thought there was a huge drop off after the first 5 picks of the 4th round.

[RashanGary]

Tony Hills, Ahtyba Ruben, Brandon Carr

? ? ?

[Packgator]

This draft is a little discomforting. 1st we dont' have 11 picks, so the odds of getting a bunch of good is going to go way down.

At the same time, when you have 11 picks and a pretty good roster already, you end up cutting a bunch of guys who are pretty good themselves. The Patriots last year drafted 8 guys and ended up cutting 6 of them. I would consider that a failed draft.

Good point. Tough for a bunch of rookies to make the squad this year. Probably one of the reasons TT choose to trade up.

[Scott Campbell]

me thinks he was just admitting he's a perv (in a joking way). :wink:

I am the biggest perve on here - as you prolly know best!



Hmmmmm - was there some sort of tryst that didn't make the PR headlines?

[TennesseePackerBacker]

128 and 135: one of those two should be an RB IMO.

Hopefully both O-Linemen, or maybe...1 OL and a sneaky pick like that top punter or their pick of fb's

[GoPackGo]

Carl Nicks OT - Nebraska
top OL left according to esPN

[Rastak]

Titans take WR Hawkins:


Strengths: A quick, fluid and polished receiver. Runs smooth and crisp routes. Effectively uses double moves and subtle head bobs to separate. He knows how to separate from man-coverage and he does an excellent job of plucking the ball on the run. Very natural pass catcher. He stands out on film because of his outstanding initial burst. Uses quick feet to beat the jam at the line and has enough speed to occasionally get over the top of defenders. Gets upfield in a hurry after the catch. Is not afraid to go over the middle and will make the tough catch in traffic. Has some experience returning kicks.

Weaknesses: Smaller target. Lacks ideal size and strength. Is not physical enough. Will get pushed around by some bigger DB's in coverage. Goes down too easily after the catch. Speed is good but not elite. Will not be much of a vertical threat in the NFL. Needs to be more effective as a blocker. Gets in the way most of the time but doesn't work at sustaining and gets pushed around too much in the running game.

Overall: In 2004, Hawkins enrolled at LSU out of high school and participated in spring drills before leaving the school to attend City College of San Francisco CC. In just seven games, he had 23 receptions for 525 yards (22.8 average) and four touchdowns, plus three kickoff returns for 145 yards (48.3 average) and a touchdown, and nine punt returns for 135 yards (15.0 average) and a score. He transferred to Cal in 2005, and over the next two seasons he compiled 64 receptions for 876 yards (13.7 average) and six touchdowns in 22 games (eight starts). Hawkins essentially matched that production in 2007, finishing his senior season with 72 catches for 872 yards (12.1 average) and six TDs in 13 games (two starts). In three seasons with the Golden Bears, he also had 49 kickoff returns for 1,051 yards (21.4 average) and a touchdown, and 13 rushing attempts for 127 yards (9.8 average). Hawkins missed a game in 2005 because of a high left ankle sprain. Hawkins is a bit undersized and he's not very physical. However, he is one of the most underrated receivers in the 2008 class because he's quick, consistent and does almost all the little things correctly. Hawkins is an outstanding route runner that knows how to separate and will catch anything in his neighborhood. Following a strong senior season and an impressive showing at the Senior Bowl, Hawkins has established himself as one of the top-10 receivers in the 2008 class, which likely will land him a spot in Round 2.

[RashanGary]

That shart is flexible to the situation. It depends on the players. Usually Ted has won with the numbers, but sometimes you win sometimes you lose and sometimes when you win you lose. It's just a rough guide.

[Scott Campbell]

128 and 135: one of those two should be an RB IMO.


Gotta be O-line in there.

[Gunakor]

we could use a real fullback, not a LB filling in at FB

peyton hills from arkansas

he can run block and catch


I like Korey Hall at FB. Think about it for a minute. Who else would you want playing FB than a converted linebacker? All linebackers wanna do is hit somebody. That's exactly the mentality I want my lead blocker to have. Remember the game in Minny, when Hall absolutely destroyed pro bowl middle linebacker E.J. Henderson leading Grant into the end zone?

[RashanGary]

Good call on Nicks. He's very intriguing. NOt a very good guy though.

[gbgary]

anyone from the Pack spoken about how they're gonna use thompson? LB or DE?

[TennesseePackerBacker]

It's going to be an OL we've never heard of most likely.

Nevermind, looks like we traded it, shouldve known.

[Bretsky]

would not surprise me if TT trades one of these 4ths for a 5th and 6th

[GoPackGo]

We traded our pick to St. Louis

[Rastak]

TT trades down again?

[RashanGary]

anyone from the Pack spoken about how they're gonna use thompson? LB or DE?

He's 6'5" I'm pretty sure he's a DE.

[red]

anyone from the Pack spoken about how they're gonna use thompson? LB or DE?

he's a de

no chance of being a lb, too big and slow

[Lurker64]

TT trades down again?

Yup. Maybe Ted is making a push for double digits again this year.

[Rastak]

Colts take TE Tamme:


Strengths: Displays good initial quickness off the line of scrimmage and gets into his routes in a hurry. He possesses outstanding speed for the position. Is fast enough to run past many LB's one-on-one and has the burst to stretch the field vertically down the seam. Displays a very good natural feel for reading coverage and finding soft spots in zone. Displays soft hands; secures the ball well in traffic, can snatch on the run and is able to catch the ball over his head. He gets upfield quickly and is a threat after the catch for his position. Secures the ball well and does a nice job of protecting it as a runner in traffic. He is extremely comfortable working out of the slot and split out wide. Takes good angles as a blocker and has great feet to get into position on the second-level. At his best as a blocker when working in space. He has been durable throughout his career and he has a good overall work ethic.

Weaknesses: Vastly undersized for NFL TE and is even a bit undersized for NFL H-Back. Plays with a narrow base and will seriously struggle to hold up at the point of attack as an in-line blocker in the NFL. Gets rag-dolled by bigger DE's and LB's when working in the phone booth. Even when he locks on in perfect position he struggles to sustain blocks. He can get held up at the line of scrimmage when LB's lock onto him in press coverage. He's not a physical runner after the catch and doesn't break as many tackles as he should. Durability is also an issue.

Overall: Tamme arrived at Kentucky in 2003 as a wide receiver. He redshirted his first year and late in the 2004 season was moved to tight end. In his first three seasons (2004-'06), he appeared in 35 games (24 starts) and amassed 77 receptions for 798 yards (10.4 average) and five touchdowns. He played through the 2005 season despite a labrum tear in his right shoulder, and then tore the labrum in his left shoulder in November of that season. (Both required surgery in the offseason.) Tamme also missed a game in 2006 because of a right hamstring strain. As a senior, he started in all 13 games and delivered 56 receptions for 619 yards (11.1 average) and six touchdowns. Tamme also has some special teams' versatility, having blocked two punts and served as the Wildcats' backup holder on placekicks during his college career. Tamme is essentially an overgrown wide receiver with outstanding speed for his size. He clearly needs to add bulk and improve his strength in order to hold up as even an H-back in the NFL. Tamme projects as a mid-round pick but only for teams in search of a one-dimensional pass-catching H-back.

[red]

would not surprise me if TT trades one of these 4ths for a 5th and 6th

yup, he just did

[GoPackGo]

hopefully we get the 2nd pick of the 5th round

[texaspackerbacker]

Schmitt is still around. I like Korey Hall too, Kuhn maybe a little less. Schmitt could double as a backup RB too.

Trade down at 128!

[Rastak]

Rams take WR Burton:


Strengths: Possesses average height and has room on his frame to add bulk. Gets off the line of scrimmage quickly and can reach top-gear in a hurry. He adjusts very well to the deep ball. Will consistently catch the ball thrown over his head. Has outstanding leaping ability to elevate for the jump ball. Shows good body control and balance, particularly when maneuvering along the sideline. Lacks elite top-end speed but does show a second-gear in space to run away from some defenders after the catch (see: 2nd quarter TD reception vs. Louisville in 2006). Possesses outstanding vision as a runner and makes smooth cuts in the open-field. Runs hard and will break more open-field tackles than his lean frame would indicate. He was a big-play return specialist in college, particularly on KOR's. Is effective as a cut-blocker downfield. Gives a good effort as a blocker.

Weaknesses: Lacks elite speed. Is more quick than fast. Will struggle to get over the top as a vertical route runner at the next level. Still has room to improve as an intermediate route-runner. Takes too long getting in and out of breaks. Durability was an issue earlier in his career.

Overall: During his first three seasons at Kentucky (2003, 2005-'06), Burton played in 34 games (21 starts) and had 123 receptions for 1,635 yards (13.3 average) and 16 touchdowns. In 2007, he appeared in 12 games (11 starts) and finished the season with 66 receptions for 741 yards and nine touchdowns. For his career, Burton also had eight carries for 18 yards, 67 kickoff returns for 1,715 (25.6 average) and a score, and six punt returns for 90 yards (15.0 average). He broke his left wrist before the Wildcats' first game in 2004, appeared in two games, then sat out the remainder of the season, earning a medical redshirt. He missed four games in '05 after suffering a broken bone in his right foot (which later required two surgeries). He was bothered by an ankle sprain and knee strain most of last season, missing one game. Burton had some injuries earlier in his collegiate career but he was able to stay healthy the past couple of seasons. He is a well-built, strong and competitive receiver with good quickness and reliable hands. However, his lack of breakaway speed puts a ceiling on his NFL potential  as a receiver and return specialist  so he must improve the crispness of his routes in order to make it as a sub-package slot-receiver. Burton projects as third or fourth round pick.

[Scott Campbell]

We traded our pick to St. Louis


So what else did we get in return? It looks like were picking at 162 in the 5th round now.

[Packgator]

hopefully we get the 2nd pick of the 5th round

Probably so. Or a third next year?

[gbgary]

anyone from the Pack spoken about how they're gonna use thompson? LB or DE?

He's 6'5" I'm pretty sure he's a DE.

http://www.packers.com/draft/2008/thompson.phtml the first sentence said maybe LB so i thought i'd ask.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Told you he would trade down...many pages ago.

[justanotherpackfan]

Is Mike Hart still around?

[Rastak]

Pats take CB Wilhite:


Strengths: Opens hips well, fast and can turn and run with receivers. Fluid when changing directions, reads routes fairly well when receiver is in front of him and he has adequate short-area man-to-man cover skills. Has a mean streak, fills hard when reads run and flashes the ability to shed blocks. Wraps up upon contact and is a sound open field tackler. Plays with a good motor and has the potential to develop into a valuable special teams' contributor.

Weaknesses: Doesn't appear to have a great feel for when to turn head to locate the ball and can struggle to find balls thrown over outside shoulder. Hand placement is inconsistent, ability to slow receivers down at the line of scrimmage is streaky and he lacks the second gear to recover once caught in a trail position. Takes too long to reach top speed and is vulnerable to getting beat deep when left on an island. Footwork can be sloppy, is vulnerable to double moves and gets spun around at times. Can be too physical and is vulnerable to getting flagged for pass interference as well as defensive holding. While improved in this area during senior season still lacks ideal ball skills and isn't much of a playmaker in coverage. Injured his wrist during 2006 preseason, missed two games with a hamstring in 2006, limited by hamstring throughout the 2007 season and durability is somewhat of a concern.

Overall: Wilhite attended Butler County (Kan.) CC in 2004 and was selected to the National Junior College All-America team in his only season at the school. He transferred to Auburn in 2005, and in his first two seasons with the Tigers (2005-'06) he appeared in 23 games (18 starts) and recorded 71 tackles, 12 pass breakups and an interception. As a senior in 2007, he played in 12 games (five starts) and had 30 tackles (1.5 for losses), two interceptions and two pass breakups. Wilhite missed one game last season because of a hamstring injury. In 2006, he suffered a wrist injury in preseason practice and a hamstring injury during the season cost him two games. Wilhite has the athleticism and toughness to become a quality sub-package corner or starter in a Cover 2 scheme. However, he's been unable to stay healthy and he's been inconsistent when he's been on the field so he projects a fifth round pick.

[GoPackGo]

we do have the 2nd pick of the 5th round and the 10th pick of the 7th round

[Scott Campbell]

Looks like we've got the 2nd pick in the 5 round now too.

[Fosco33]

We traded our pick to St. Louis


So what else did we get in return? It looks like were picking at 162 in the 5th round now.

traded that to the Jets

[Bretsky]

We traded our pick to St. Louis


So what else did we get in return? It looks like were picking at 162 in the 5th round now.

I think we traded the pick to the JETS

[GoPackGo]

we do have the 2nd pick of the 5th round and the 10th pick of the 7th round

[Bretsky]

[quote="justanotherpackfan"]Is Mike Hart still around?[/quote

yes

[SkinBasket]

We got the 2nd in the 5th and the 10th in the 7th for that last trade.

[Scott Campbell]

We traded our pick to St. Louis


So what else did we get in return? It looks like were picking at 162 in the 5th round now.

traded that to the Jets


Damn - NFL.coms board is all screwed up.

[Chubbyhubby]

TT trades down to get a 5th and a 7th

[TennesseePackerBacker]

I'd like to see the Pack spend a 6 or 7 on Eric Young G from UT. He was a real player in college. Call me a homer, but when the Pack drafted Scott Wells I knew he'd be a good player, you could see it when he played. Same thing with Eric Young.

[Lurker64]

That's a reasonable trade. TT apparently isn't in love with any of these players, and he gets to take a mad flyer on somebody on the extra 7th.

[RashanGary]

WE got 137 and 217

[Rastak]

Steelers take OT Hills:


Strengths: Possesses outstanding height and wingspan. Continues to add bulk to frame and still has room left to get bigger. He displays good feet and balance. A natural knee-bender with good mirror-and-slide skills in pass pro. He's big enough to engulf smaller defenders at the point of attack. Has quick hands and does a good job of keeping pass rushers in front of him. Very impressive mobility when asked to pull or block downfield on runs and screens. Fires out quickly in the run game and takes solid angles.

Weaknesses: Needs to do a better job of sustaining once locked on. Seems to lack a mean streak and must become more physical in order to elevate his game to the next level. Hands are quick but he lacks explosive power behind his punch. Rarely jars defenders with his punch. Must continue to improve overall strength. He will struggle at times versus powerful bull rushers that stand him up and get him off-balance. Sustained a potentially career-ending knee injury during senior season in high school and a broken left fibula ended his 2007 season in mid-November so durability is clearly a concern.

Overall: Hills signed with Texas in 2003 and redshirted the year. He was moved from tight end to offensive tackle, and in his first three seasons (2004-06) appeared in 31 games, including starts at left tackle in all 13 games his junior year. He started the Longhorns' first 11 games of 2007, but suffered a fractured left fibula that cost him the last two games. Hills was forced to redshirt and sit out the '03 season after reconstructive surgery on his left knee, following a career-threatening injury (nerve damage). Hills is coming off a season-ending leg injury and he needs to get stronger at the point of attack. However, he's still a good value early on Day 2 of the draft. The reason is he is quick, he moves very well for his size and he has the frame to bulk up without losing much if any of that agility.

[justanotherpackfan]

Jeremy Thompson DE
395-pound bench press … 450-pound squat … 352-pound power clean

[Fosco33]

We got the 2nd in the 5th and the 10th in the 7th for that last trade.

Net of 8 draft pts or so

[Bretsky]

two 7ths now

Use one of those on IKE

[MateoInMex]

Okay,

So looking at Packers.com, the Packers get only 1 pick in the 5th round. No 6th round, and two 7th rounders.

[Scott Campbell]

So the Packers give up the 128th pick - 44 points

and get the 137th pick (37.5 points) and the 217th pick (4.6 points) - 42.1 points.

[GoPackGo]

two 7ths now

Use one of those on IKE

and a new punter



eagles took IKE!

[RashanGary]

Looks like we lost 2 pts on this one too.

[SkinBasket]

We got the 2nd in the 5th and the 10th in the 7th for that last trade.

Net of 8 draft pts or so

Can we use those to buy player upgrades? I would like to suggest adding 1 point to Lee's Agility.

[gbgary]

Jeremy Thompson DE
395-pound bench press … 450-pound squat … 352-pound power clean

wow!! hey, i'm pretty good with a 25# dumbell.

[Lurker64]

Iggles take Ike.

[digitaldean]

two 7ths now

Use one of those on IKE

Too late, Philly took Ike

[SkinBasket]

Iggles take Ike.

I know it's beating a dead horse for me, but that's a dumb fucking pick.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Why don't the Packers have two in the 5th?

[Fosco33]

two 7ths now

Use one of those on IKE

Eagles just took him at 131

[Gunakor]

Why don't the Packers have two in the 5th?


Used one to trade back up in the 4th

[Lurker64]

Why don't the Packers have two in the 5th?

We traded away our original fifth to move up in the fourth.

[Rastak]

Eagles do take Ike:


trengths: Uses hands well, does a nice job of rerouting receivers and is at best playing close to the line of scrimmage. Plays with a mean streak, has a strong upper body and is capable of stunning receivers with a violent initial punch. While doesn't have elite athletic ability, is a little underrated in this area and is generally fluid when asked to turn and run with receivers downfield. Reads routes well, is aggressive and isn't afraid to break on the ball. Has adequate ball skills and isn't going to drop many picks he should catch. Tough at the point of attack and flashes the ability to shed blocks quickly. Doesn't shy away from contact and fills hard when reads run. Breaks down in space, wraps up upon contact and is a sound open field tackler. Is tall enough to compete for jump balls and possesses the frame to comfortably add bulk.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal top-end speed and is going to have a hard time running with NFL receivers when left on an island. While changes directions fairly well doesn't explode out of cuts and has a hard time preventing separation when asked to match up in man coverage. Appears lost in space and is far less effective when giving receivers a cushion. Gets caught gambling at times and isn't fast enough to recover when he gets caught out of position. May be a better fit at safety but he has never played there. Charged along with his brother for residential burglary and criminal trespassing in 2006 and character is somewhat of a concern. Sustained a serious knee injury during workouts in January and is going to miss at least the 2008 season so durability is a substantial concern.

Overall: Wisconsin red-shirted Ikegwuonu in 2004 and he started four of the 13 games he appeared in during the 2005 season. Ikegwuonu started all 13 games of the 2006 season finishing with 41 total tackles including 35 unassisted tackles and 3.5 tackles-for-loss. He also intercepted two passes, broke up 13 passes, forced a fumble and recovered a fumble that year. Ikegwuonu started all 13 games of the 2007 season finishing with 24 total tackles including 19 unassisted tackles. He also intercepted a pass and broke up 15 passes last year. Bottom Line: When healthy, Ikegwuonu is a physical corner who has the size and enough athletic ability to eventually excel for a team that runs primarily cover-2. But blowing out his knee will only raise more questions about his long-term durability, not to mention concerns about him losing a step post-rehab. Before the injury, he projected as a second or third round pick. Now it is likely Ikegwuonu slips to the final couple rounds of the 2008 draft.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Well, I wonder what losing Ahman Green is worth???

A lot more than nothing!

[RashanGary]

Here comes the pick we got for Green - well, that and the cap space used on Chillar and Donald Lee.

[Rastak]

Bills make a fine pick - TE Fine:

Strengths: Hybrid capable of lining up at both the tight end and fullback position. Quick off the ball and able to avoid contact working against press coverage. Does a good job of selling the run and gets into the flats quickly off play action. Smooth, runs clean routes and is at best getting open underneath. Has a wide frame and does a nice job of using his body to shield defenders from the ball. Possesses an understanding of how to attack defenders and set up breaks. Appears to read defenses well and does a nice job of finding open areas working against zone coverage. Gives great effort as an in-line blocker and is relentless once in position. Takes sound angles to blocks, flashes the ability to adjust to the moving target in space and can get into position at the second level. Is as effective lead blocking from the backfield as he is lined up at tight end and is somewhat versatile.

Weaknesses: Lacks top-end speed and isn't going to stretch the middle of the field. Lacks the overall strength to consistently sustain blocks, loses balance at times and is seen on the ground a lot. Does not have great body control and struggles to adjust to passes thrown outside frame.

Overall: Fine signed with Kansas in 2002 but didn't enroll because of an injury. After redshirting the 2003 season, he played in all 35 of the Jayhawks' games (19 starts) over the next three years (2004-06'), collecting 52 receptions for 615 yards (11.8 average) and six touchdowns. Fine played in all 13 games (10 starts) as a senior, hauling in 46 catches for 394 yards (8.6 average) and four touchdowns. He also was a productive contributor on special teams coverage units during his career (11 tackles, 10 assists). Bottom line: Fine is versatile enough to provide depth for a team that likes to use H-Backs but he doesn't have prototypical speed or power so he projects as a seventh round pick.

[red]

at least we have 2 of the next 3 picks

then we can go take a break for a couple hours

[Scott Campbell]

Here comes the pick we got for Green .........


If this guy manages to put his helmet on the right way we'll come out ahead on this deal - given the way Ahman played and was paid last year.

[Rastak]

Ravens take OT Hale:


trengths: Doesn't take many false steps and can get into position quickly. Plays with a mean streak, has a strong punch and flashes the ability to jar defenders at the point of contact. Gets adequate hand placement and sustains blocks once locked on. Takes adequate angles to downfield blocks and, though inconsistent in this area, can cut off linebackers at the second level on inside runs. Shuffles feet well, generally stays balanced and can redirect in pass protection. Keeps head up, shows good awareness and can pick up the blitz. Has adequate size and is tall enough to continue to bulk up.

Weaknesses: Plays too high, hasn't shown great lower body strength and doesn't consistently drive defenders off the ball. Takes sound angles to downfield blocks but appears stiff when trying to adjust to moving targets and whiffs at times. While arms are long enough to ride edge rushers past the pocket, lacks elite initial quickness and is going to have problems preventing edge rushers from turning the corner. Doesn't sink hips enough in pass protection and gives too much ground to bull rushers. While had a strong week of practices leading up to the East West Shrine game, played at a small school and there is still some concern about ability to adjust to the speed of the game at the NFL level.

Overall: Hale went on a two-year religious mission before arriving at Weber State in 2004. He played 44 games in four seasons with the Wildcats ('04-'07), closing out his career with 36 consecutive starts dating back to his freshman year. With three games left in his first season ('04), he made the move from right guard to right tackle, where he remained as a fixture in the lineup. Hale was a first team All-America NCAA Division FCS selection as a senior. Hale is a blue-collar player who gives his best effort on every snap and is big enough to develop into a reliable reserve right tackle but he doesn't have ideal initial quickness or agility so he doesn't have a great deal of upside. With that in mind, he projects as a seventh round pick or rookie free agent.

[Rastak]

Too bad TT isn't allowed to trade his next pick.

[Fosco33]

How about Mike Gibson - OT out of Cal.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/mike-gibson?id=820

[Rastak]

Titans take LB Keglar:


trengths: Tough, possesses adequate size and can be stout at the point of contact. Excellent top-end speed, takes adequate angles to the ball and sideline-to-sideline run defender. Works from the snap until the whistle and is relentless in pursuit. Shows good balance and slides off blockers when they don't lock on. Breaks down, wraps up upon contact and is a reliable open field tackler. Gets deep drops and does a nice job of locating receivers when asked to drop into zone coverage. Displays good leadership qualities and is a competitor. Sustained a high ankle sprain in the first game of the 2003 season and took a red shirt that year but has stayed relatively healthy and appears to be durable.

Weaknesses: Faster than quick, isn't aggressive and isn't going to make a lot of plays in the backfield. Shows great upper body strength in the weight room but doesn't translate to field. Doesn't deliver a violent punch and takes too long to shed blocks when linemen lock on. Doesn't explode out of cuts and lacks ideal short-area man-to-man cover skills. Takes too longs to open hips when forced to turn and run, isn't explosive enough to recover once caught in a trail position and is going to have problems staying with tight ends in man coverage. Does not display natural hands and isn't a playmaker in coverage.

Overall: Keglar arrived at Purdue in 2003, playing in one game before suffering an injury and deciding to redshirt the year. In his next three seasons (2004-'06), he appeared in 36 games (28 starts) and amassed 180 tackles (nine for losses), 1.5 sacks, two forced fumbles, three interceptions and nine pass breakups. As a fifth-year senior in 2007, he started all 13 games and had 70 tackles (four for losses) and three pass breakups. Keglar has prototypical size and speed but he is a straight-line player who struggles when forced to change directions quickly, so he will have to be protected into coverage. In addition, he needs to work on using his hands to control and discard blockers as a run defender. He projects as a late round pick.

[digitaldean]

Ok, now we're up.

[Scott Campbell]

Too bad TT isn't allowed to trade his next pick.



Not enough action for you Ras? Geez, we've made 3 trades already.

[GoPackGo]

ok we get 2 of the next 3 picks

[RashanGary]

Brian Johnston gone yet?

[Scott Campbell]

Brian Johnston gone yet?

I don't think so. I'd love that pick here.

[RashanGary]

Bradon Carr and Ahtyba Ruben are possiblities.

[Rastak]

Kirk Barton?

[red]

owen schmit

would be nice

[MateoInMex]

Josh Sitton OT

[SkinBasket]

Bo-ring.

[red]

theres an OT

[GoPackGo]

Josh Sitton (OT) C Florida

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Lol, I called that a couple pages ago, an OL we've never heard of.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Sit on it!!

[Rastak]

Pack takes Sitton, C - No Bio Scouts Inc rating 20

[Lurker64]

I have no idea who this is.

[SkinBasket]

Pack takes Sitton, C - No Bio Scouts Inc rating 20

I'm guessing that's not a good score... not that it matters.

[texaspackerbacker]

Maybe Schmitt next.

[Bretsky]

Iggles take Ike.


dammit

[GrnBay007]

Pack takes Sitton, C - No Bio Scouts Inc rating 20

It's official then......he's perfect!!

[Deputy Nutz]

[
This is disappointing.


You know me, I am a traditionalist - or are you suggesting that meeting Carin will be disappointing??

Disappointing that you didn't bring your other wife last year, that would have been more fun.

Na I am just fucking with you, although bringing your wife is a downer, I am not bringing my wife, Skin's not bringing his wife, Mad's not bringing his babies mommy.

[Scott Campbell]

I have no idea who this is.



Reminds me of the James Lee pick from a couple of years ago. Except we didn't trade up for this guy. And he still has a chance of working out.

[GoPackGo]

Josh Sitton
Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 4
Pick (Overall): 36(135)
OT | (6'3", 320, 5.4) | CENTRAL FLORIDA

[red]

he's a tweener

tackle or guard

[Rastak]

Pack takes Sitton, C - No Bio Scouts Inc rating 20

I'm guessing that's not a good score... not that it matters.


90-100 Rare Prospect Player demonstrates rare abilities and can create mismatches that have an obvious impact on the game. Is a premier college player that has all the skill to take over a game and play at a championship level. He rates in the top 5 players in the nation at his position and is considered a first round draft prospect.


80-89 Outstanding Prospect Player has abilities to create mismatches versus most opponents in the NFL. A feature player that has an impact on the outcome of the game. Cannot be shut down by a single player and plays on a consistent level week in and week out. He rates in the top 10 at his position and is considered a second round draft prospect.



70-79 Solid Prospect Still a standout player at the college level that is close to being an elite player. He has no glaring weaknesses and will usually win his individual matchups, but does not dominate in every game, especially when matched up against the top players in the country. He will usually rate in the top third of players at his position and is considered a third round draft prospect.


60-69 Good Prospect This player is an good starter that will give a solid effort week in and week out, but he is overmatched versus the better players in the nation. His weaknesses will be exposed against top competition. He is usually a prospect that is missing something from his game. For example, he has the size and skills to be an outstanding prospect, but lacks the speed. He will usually rate in the top half of the players at his position and is considered a middle round draft choice.


50-59 Adequate Prospect These are usually players that play at a high level in college, but lack some measurables or skills to play at that same level in the NFL. He may be a player that has a lot of developmental qualities, or could be a player that will contribute right away on special teams or in a situational capacity. He will usually rate in the second-third at his position and is considered a fifth round draft choice.



21-49 Borderline Draft Prospect These are players that teams like something about, but certainly do not have the full package in terms of NFL talent. A lot of times, teams will take chances on character players or developmental type athletes with this grade. And often, these are players that come from smaller schools or did not standout at the college level. NFL teams are looking for 'diamonds in the rough' with this type of prospect. He will usually rate in the bottom third of players at his position and will be considered a late round draft choice or un-drafted free agent.



20 Free Agent Prospect These are players that did not make our original 'evaluation list' but are prospects that need to be monitored. Especially in the pre-season, these players will fluctuate up and down depending on performance in their final year of eligibility.


10 Not a legitimate Prospect These are players that lack NFL measurables and/or skills. They are players that we feel would not even make a solid contribution as a training camp body.

[Tarlam!]

Sit on it!!

Richie, that you??

[GoPackGo]

we traded again

[CyclonePackFan]

to the VIKINGS?

[SkinBasket]

BLARG!

[digitaldean]

We traded our pick to the queens??

[Fosco33]

Pack takes Sitton, C - No Bio Scouts Inc rating 20

It's official then......he's perfect!!

we will see. i would've liked a guy like gibson from Cal.

[MateoInMex]

Traded to the Queens

[Rastak]

Round 5

Lions take WR Moore:

Strengths: Is fluid getting in and out of cuts and runs adequate short-to-intermediate routes. Snatches the ball out of the air and catches passes in stride. Is fluid turning upfield after the catch and makes crisp first moves. Tough and fights for yards after contact. Reads blocks well, quick to turn the corner and is a shifty open field runner that can make defenders miss. Takes sound angles to assignments and can get into position as a blocker. Gets adequate hand placement, moves feet and flashes the ability to sustain blocks. Has experience lining up in the backfield and is versatile. Has experience retuning punts and has flashed big-play ability in that role.

Weaknesses: Undersized and is going to get pushed around by bigger corners. Doesn't use hands well and struggles to get a clean release working against press coverage. Lacks ideal explosiveness and is going to have a harder time separating from man coverage at the NFL level. Doesn't show a second gear when tracking the ball downfield and isn't fast enough to run by most NFL corners. Lacks breakaway speed and isn't going to outrun NFL defenses when gets a seam. Though can locate soft spots when sees zone coverage sits in areas for too long making it easier for the defense to recover and needs to do a better job of adjusting when the protection starts to break down. Lets the ball get too far away from frame when running in space and is vulnerable to getting the ball knocked loose from behind. Doesn't have great lower body strength and is far effective running outside than is running between the tackles. Appears hesitant when cracking down on linebackers and doesn't play with enough of a mean streak. Foot injury limited him to five games in 2004 and durability is a concern.

Overall: Moore redshirted his first year at Wake Forest (2003). In his first two active seasons (2004-'05), Moore appeared in 12 games (one start) and had nine receptions for 133 yards (14.8 average) and a touchdown, plus two rushing attempts for six yards. In 2006, he began the season at wide receiver but moved to running back when injuries forced the hand of the coaching staff. Moore played 14 games (12 starts) as a junior, finishing the year with 32 receptions for 314 yards (9.8 average) and 105 carries for 507 yards (4.8 average) and two touchdowns. Playing in all 13 games as a senior, he showed more versatility than ever: 98 receptions for 1,011 yards (10.3 average) and five touchdowns; 44 carries for 369 yards (7.2 average) and three TDs; 34 punt returns for 355 yards (10.4 average) and a score; and 10 kickoff returns for 172 yards. In 2004, Moore was hampered much of the season by a foot injury. Moore doesn't have prototypical size, explosiveness or speed but he can do a lot for a football team. He has the athletic ability to develop into an effective sub-package slot receiver, he can serve as a team's third down back and he can return punts. That versatility should make him a seventh round pick.

[Fosco33]

We traded our pick to the queens??

blasphemy

[Rastak]

Traded to the Queens


Wow, rare inter division trade. That had to cost a bit.

[SkinBasket]

BOOTY!!!

[CyclonePackFan]

Booty Booty Booty Booty Rockin' Everywhere in Minnesota

[Rastak]

Take Josh Johnson

[Lurker64]

Traded to the Queens


Wow, rare inter division trade. That had to cost a bit.

Well, maybe the Vikings's thirst for Booty will work out for them.

[BlueBrewer]

i hate you TT , waste my time. ill waste you bitch!! :lol:

[red]

great TT, you traded to our hated enemy, and they draft a guy they need

[MateoInMex]

The Queens took Booty.

Booty to the Queens!! I love it!

[Packgator]

Pack takes Sitton, C - No Bio Scouts Inc rating 20

It's official then......he's perfect!!

He opened holes for the nations leading rusher last season.

[CaliforniaCheez]

How bad did we rip off those Purple Slimers who don't value picks???

[Rastak]

Vikings take "shake your" Booty:

Strengths: Pocket passer, displays a good understanding of the West Coast offense and is a quick study. Gets set quickly and does a very good job of making pre-snap reads, as well as reading coverage while dropping. At his best when he can drop, set and throw right away. Gets rid of the ball quickly once he finds an open target. Very smooth release. He still is learning to trust his progression reads, but he does see the entire field and knows how to check down effectively. He does an above-average job of picking up the blitz and finding connecting with receivers on hot routes. He shows very good touch and timing on short-to-intermediate throws. Overall, he is a sound decision maker and should only improve with more experience. Mechanics are solid. Shows a quick release and does a great job of throwing to a spot (or inside a passing-window on crossing routes, in-routes, etc.). He has quick feet and does a fine job of avoiding pressure inside the pocket. Shows the ability to roll out of the pocket and find open receivers. Also is an accurate passer when throwing on the run.

Weaknesses: Height is adequate but he needs to get bigger and stronger in order to hold up in the NFL. His accuracy is streaky. He struggles with his consistency on the deep ball and needs to do a better job of getting air under some of those throws. Lacks ideal arm strength. Deep-out lacks zip. Vertical throws tend to sail and/or miss high. Effective on designed rollouts but he is not agile enough to consistently buy extra time with his feet. He does not display good mobility and will struggle to avoid the rush in the NFL. He will never be a running threat, either. Durability is an issue; missed significant time with a broken finger as a senior in 2007, herniated disc in his back required surgery in spring of 2006 and was limited in 2004 summer camp with a badly bruised right (throwing) elbow.

Overall: Booty won the backup job as a freshman in 2003, but missed the team's final two games because of a broken wrist. He received a medical redshirt in 2004 after suffering a bruised right (throwing) elbow in the fall. For his career, he appeared in 38 games (23 starts) and completed 518 of 832 attempts (62.3 percent) for 6,125 yards, 55 touchdowns and 21 interceptions. He missed three games as a senior after breaking the tip of the middle finger on his throwing hand, but he still finished with 23 TDs in 10 games. He completed 63.2 percent of his passes for an average of 236.1 passing yards per game. Booty finally got his chance to take over the helm in 2006 after spending three seasons sitting behind former Heisman Trophy winner Matt Leinart. Booty lacks good size and arm strength, which puts a bit of a ceiling on his draft potential. He also has had some durability issues, including a broken finger on his throwing hand as a senior. However, he is a mechanically sound passer with very good decision-making skills. He knows how to read defenses and go through progressions. He also can be a very accurate short-to-intermediate passer. He will fit best in a West Coast system at the next level. In our opinion, while Booty might lack the physical skills to emerge as good starter in the NFL, he is the type of hard working, cerebral quarterback that could overcome the odds. At the very least, he should carve a lengthy career as a reliable backup. A team operating out of that offensive system should view Booty as a good value in the third-round range.

[Scott Campbell]

Traded to the Queens


Wow, rare inter division trade. That had to cost a bit.

Well, maybe the Vikings's thirst for Booty will work out for them.


ROFL

[gbgary]

so the vikings made the booty call.

[GrnBay007]

Disappointing that you didn't bring your other wife last year, that would have been more fun.

Na I am just fucking with you, although bringing your wife is a downer, I am not bringing my wife, Skin's not bringing his wife, Mad's not bringing his babies mommy.
LOL! I'm not bringing my babies. Although they are very upset about that....and my son reads here sometime and wants to prove he's taller than partial. :wink:

j/k :P

[Rastak]

I see the Packers have the Vikings first 5th pick and the #2 pick in round 7.

[Fosco33]

Very disappointed with this trade. Booty wanted to go to the Vikes - and then we let it happen!

Stupid.... stupid.... stupid

[Lurker64]

Captain, what's another word for pirate's treasure?

[Rastak]

Very disappointed with this trade. Booty wanted to go to the Vikes - and then we let it happen!

Stupid.... stupid.... stupid


Nice value for a team running the WCO. I am a bit surprised the two teams traded.

[GoPackGo]

Very disappointed with this trade. Booty wanted to go to the Vikes - and then we let it happen!

Stupid.... stupid.... stupid

it may have happened anyways, but I agree all we gained is a 7th rounder :roll:

[Scott Campbell]

Now KGB has somebody besides Grossman in the division when its time for a Booty call.

[digitaldean]

Very disappointed with this trade. Booty wanted to go to the Vikes - and then we let it happen!

Stupid.... stupid.... stupid

I am disappointed they traded with their main rival in the division.

[Chubbyhubby]

What pick did the Packers get from the Queeens?

[Rastak]

Falcons take LB James:

trengths: Quick, aggressive and can make plays in the backfield. Keeps head up, shows good lateral mobility and does a nice job of scraping down the line of scrimmage. Takes adequate not great pursuit angles, plays with a good motor and is a sideline-to-sideline run defender. Quick feet and can slip blocks in space. Opens hips quickly and has the potential to develop above-average man-to-man cover skills. Gets adequate depth and reads quarterback's eyes when asked to drop into zone coverage. Showed excellent ball skills during senior season and emerged as a playmaker in coverage. Made considerable strides during collegiate career, works hard in the weight room and should only get better with added experience.

Weaknesses: Undersized and doesn't have the frame to add considerable bulk. Gets engulfed by offensive linemen and is going to have problems holding ground when teams run at him. Doesn't deliver a violent punch, doesn't show great upper body strength at the point of contact and takes too long to shed blocks. Lacks elite instincts and has some problems recognizing misdirection. Avoids some blockers rather than taking them on and gets caught out of position at times. Delivers hits too high and can get run over by bigger backs. While generally wraps up when gets into sound tackling position, leaves feet too much and occasionally whiffs in the open field. Doesn't do a great of reading routes, can be overaggressive and has some problems staying with backs on wheel routes. Missed five games with migraine headaches in 2005, sustained a leg injury while running the 40 at the combine and durability is a concern.

Overall: James arrived at Arizona State in 2003 and redshirted the year. In his first three seasons (2004-'06), he appeared in 29 games (six starts) and compiled 68 tackles (10.5 for losses), three sacks, a forced fumble, an interception and five pass breakups. As a senior in 2007, he started all 13 games and had 106 tackles (9.5 for losses), 2.5 sacks, four interceptions, three pass breakups and a forced fumble. James' lack of size and problems defending the run should raise some red flags but he has a great blend of range and athletic ability so there's a lot to like about his upside and he has steadily improved over the past two seasons. Keeping that in mind, he projects as a mid-round pick.

[Bretsky]

Very disappointed with this trade. Booty wanted to go to the Vikes - and then we let it happen!

Stupid.... stupid.... stupid


WIST often noted if TT had it his way he'd have every 7th round pick in the draft; it is beginning

My only point is if GB is going to do this, they should have fleeced the Queens

I don't want fair value here; we gave the Queens a QB that probably throws better than Tavarius Jackson now

[Gunakor]

What pick did the Packers get from the Queeens?

Thier 5th and the 2nd pick in the 7th round


Green Bay now has 3 picks in round 7

[Deputy Nutz]

Very disappointed with this trade. Booty wanted to go to the Vikes - and then we let it happen!

Stupid.... stupid.... stupid

I am disappointed they traded with their main rival in the division.

Who gives a shit, it wasn't a first day or a third round pick. It was a swap of 5ths, big deal.

[Rastak]

What pick did the Packers get from the Queeens?


Your old avatar was better.

[Bretsky]

What pick did the Packers get from the Queeens?


looks like it was another 5th and 7th

[GoPackGo]

Very disappointed with this trade. Booty wanted to go to the Vikes - and then we let it happen!

Stupid.... stupid.... stupid

I am disappointed they traded with their main rival in the division.

Who gives a shit, it wasn't a first day or a third round pick. It was a swap of 5ths, big deal.

if booty ends up starting for the Vikes and he is good, we will regret this for years

[Rastak]

Broncos take RB Torian:

trengths: Reads blocks well and makes sharp first cut. Runs north-south and hits the hole hard. Drives though arm tacklers, keeps driving legs and picks up yards after contact. Keeps head up, has adequate foot speed and exploits cutback lanes. Has adequate initial burst and is quick enough to turn the corner. Runs adequate routes, catches the ball well and can produce after the catch. Lacks elite bulk for a power back but s big enough and has the frame to add even more weight.

Weaknesses: Takes the occasional false step and could be more efficient. Runs a little high when gets to the second level and takes some big hits. Isn't going to make multiple defenders miss, doesn't have the second gear to outrun defenses when gets a seam and isn't much of a threat to break long runs. Keeps head up in pass protection and can pick up the blitz but doesn't attack assignments and can get run over in the backfield. While keeps ball close to frame, doesn't always cover up when gets into traffic and can put the ball on the ground. Missed four games of the 2005 season with an injury, missed 2007 San Diego State game with an ankle injury, sustained a season-ending toe injury October 13, 2007 and durability is a concern.

Overall: Torain began his career at Butler CC, where he spent two years (2004-05) and ran for 800-plus yards and 12 touchdowns as a sophomore, despite missing four games. In 2006, he played in 13 games (eight starts) and finished with 1,229 yards and seven touchdowns on 223 carries (5.5 average). In six games as a senior, he ran for 553 yards and five TDs on 110 carries (5.0 average) before being knocked out of the Sun Devils' final seven games by ankle, knee and foot injuries. In two years at Tempe, Torain also had 25 receptions for 305 yards (11.4 average) and five touchdowns. Torain is an efficient between-the-tacklers runner and a reliable receiver out of the backfield but he isn't as physical as his size would suggest, he isn't much of a big-play threat and he's coming off a season-ending foot injury. He projects as a seventh round pick or rookie free agent consequently.

[Rastak]

Chiefs take CB Carr: No Bio

[packers11]

Looks like 10 picks in this years draft... Unless he trades our next years first for the remainder of the 7th rounders :) :wink:

[digitaldean]

Anyone think Mike Hart would be a decent pickup if still available?

[Rastak]

Maybe TT figured the Vikes would have dealt with the next team so he figured he might as well get a pick.

[Deputy Nutz]

Anyone think Mike Hart would be a decent pickup if still available?

sort of. I think there isn't much of a need for a short, small, and slow running back.

[gbgary]

Packers' OL coach is about to talk about sitton at Packers.com

[RashanGary]

Yeah, and if we get 2 good starters and Booty sucks ass, they'll regret it for years. Who cares. The Viking screw up everything they touch. They'll even find a way to screw up booty and I didn't think that was possible.

[twoseven]

who gives a shit? who gives a shit about adding another 7th round pick while we are allowing the vikings to pick up a QB they weren't smart enough to nab in round 2. count me as another that thinks this was stupid. if booty is kicking our ass down the road someday, i hope the extra pick in the seventh round was worth it.

[Gunakor]

Anyone think Mike Hart would be a decent pickup if still available?


With one of our 7's, sure. I don't think he's any better than Jackson though, maybe just marginally better than Morency. I wouldn't use the 5th on him.

[cpk1994]

Very disappointed with this trade. Booty wanted to go to the Vikes - and then we let it happen!

Stupid.... stupid.... stupid


WIST often noted if TT had it his way he'd have every 7th round pick in the draft; it is beginning

My only point is if GB is going to do this, they should have fleeced the Queens

I don't want fair value here; we gave the Queens a QB that probably throws better than Tavarius Jackson nowSo? Childress is the coach and as long as he is, Booty will never see the field. Its Jackson all the way.

[Rastak]

Panthers take TE Barnidge:


Strengths: Is tall and has much room on his frame to add bulk. Has long arms, has big hands and is reliable short-to-intermediate receiver. Plucks the ball well when on the run and shows the consistent ability to adjust to the poorly thrown pass. Does a fine job of locating soft spots in zone coverage and knows how to use his tall frame to shield linebackers and defensive backs from the ball. While lacks elite top-end speed, is fast enough to work the seam and flashes the ability to make lays downfield. He will consistently secure the ball in traffic and will look the ball in while taking a big hit. Takes solid angles as a blocker and is at his best when working in space. Does a good job of using his feet to get in position and fights as hard as he can to sustain. Attacks the thigh of the defender when goes low and is an effective cut blocker that can knock bigger defenders to the ground. He's a hard worker on and off the field. Continues to add bulk and gives good effort in the weight room. Has been durable throughout his career. Has experience long snapping and can contribute on special teams.

Weaknesses: Is lean and must add significant bulk to his frame. Really gets pushed around by stronger defenders. Plays with a narrow base and is typically overmatched physically as an in-line blocker. Displays marginal lower-body strength, struggles to hold his own in the phone booth and leaves his feet too often as a blocker. Also will struggle to sustain blocks even when in perfect position and locked on. Gets jammed too frequently at the line of scrimmage and needs to work on release. Footwork is inconsistent, rounds some cuts off and lacks ideal explosiveness so is going to have some problems separating from man coverage at the NFL level.

Overall: In his first three seasons at Louisville (2004-06), Barnidge appeared in 36 games (14 starts) and had 55 receptions for 836 yards (15.2 average) and 10 touchdowns. He played 12 games (four starts) in 2007, finishing with 53 receptions for 655 yards (12.4 average) and seven touchdowns. Barnridge sat out one game in 2005 because of a sore foot.Barnidge is a tall, lanky tight end/H-back prospect who catches the ball well, has good speed for his size and has the work ethic as well as the frame to improve as blocker but it's critical that he continues to add weight and gets stronger at the point of attack. In addition, he lacks ideal explosiveness so he projects as a fifth round pick.

[Rastak]

who gives a shit? who gives a shit about adding another 7th round pick while we are allowing the vikings to pick up a QB they weren't smart enough to nab in round 2. count me as another that thinks this was stupid. if booty is kicking our ass down the road someday, i hope the extra pick in the seventh round was worth it.


Wouldn't they have just called the next team in line?

[MateoInMex]

Captain, what's another word for pirate's treasure?


HERPES

[justanotherpackfan]

Who took Dan Connor?

[digitaldean]

They'll even find a way to screw up booty

Nice play on words, JH! :wink:

[digitaldean]

Who took Dan Connor?

Carolina

[twoseven]

who gives a shit? who gives a shit about adding another 7th round pick while we are allowing the vikings to pick up a QB they weren't smart enough to nab in round 2. count me as another that thinks this was stupid. if booty is kicking our ass down the road someday, i hope the extra pick in the seventh round was worth it.


Wouldn't they have just called the next team in line?
who's to say they didn't and were refused.

why would the vikings want to give us extra picks to move up if they could have easily done so elsewhere?

now it's wrong to play a little draft defense in your own division?

[CaliforniaCheez]

The Viking screw up everything they touch. They'll even find a way to screw up booty and I didn't think that was possible.


Nails it!!

[justanotherpackfan]

We should draft Brian Witherspoon, he runs a 4.25.

[Packnut]

Thompson proved he's not perfect. :lol: Dumb move to allow the Vike's to pick up a player at a position of weakness. Then again, QB's surrounded by talent look better than they really are sometimes. Still not worth the risk. Stupid trade.........

[Rastak]

who gives a shit? who gives a shit about adding another 7th round pick while we are allowing the vikings to pick up a QB they weren't smart enough to nab in round 2. count me as another that thinks this was stupid. if booty is kicking our ass down the road someday, i hope the extra pick in the seventh round was worth it.


Wouldn't they have just called the next team in line?
who's to say they didn't and were refused.

so, m now it's wrong to play a little draft defense in your own division?

I'm really surpirsed they made the deal too, I'm only saying that the Vikings easily could have still moved up.

[MateoInMex]

Everyone in the Packers WAR-ROOM left it looks like. Thompson isn't in there. Either to rethink about giving Booty to the Vikings, get something to eat, or drop a couple of kids in the pool, one of the three.

Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about Booty and the Queens. They are classic chokers, nothing will change. Enjoy the day people!!

[Bretsky]

I think we have picks 150 and 152


What are the odds that we keep them both ??

[pack4to84]

bear fans have to be mad with all those pick and they still trade down again.

[Lurker64]

I'm not worried about Booty. He projects to a bunch of other guys that the Vikings have already had on their roster in recent years (Kelly Holcomb, Brooks Bollinger, Gus Ferrrotte, Brad Johnson, etc.) He's just like those guys, but he's younger.

[twoseven]

I think we have picks 150 and 152


What are the odds that we keep them both ??
espn still has vikes at 152, if we had that one as well i wouldn't be venting on the trade as i am.

[Rastak]

Bears take CB Bowman:

Strengths: Possesses an outstanding combination of size and speed. Continues to improve his recognition skills with more experience and is a player with a lot of upside if he continues to develop. Has adequate upper body strength, shows the power to take receivers out of their routes using proper press-coverage technique and is able to match up with bigger receivers when left on an island. Aggressive, attacks the ball when it is in the air and displays above-average ball skills. Shows good leaping ability and times jumps well. Fills hard versus the run and shows enough size and strength to take on bigger blockers/ball carriers. Displays great upside on special teams, especially covering kicks and punts, and should make early contributions in that area.

Weaknesses: Missed the entire 2006 season and started just four games last year so lacks ideal playing experience. Still has room to improve in terms of footwork and technique and gets crossed over by quicker wide receivers on double moves. Will open his hips too early at times and is vulnerable to double moves. Despite having very good athleticism for size, a tad bit stiff in the hips and isn't as smooth as you would like when he's forced to turn and run with receivers. Gives good effort in run support but he must improve his consistency as an open-field tackler. Durability is also a pressing concern after missing the entire 2006 season with a torn ligament in his knee, tearing a tendon in his other knee during the offseason prior to 2007 and then missed time with a hamstring injury last year.

Overall: Bowman attended New Mexico Military Institute (Roswell, N.M.) in 2003 and 2004, recording 10 interceptions (two returned for touchdowns), 22 pass breakups and two forced fumbles on his way to being selected to the junior college All-America team. He transferred to Nebraska in 2005, playing in 11 games (five starts) and finishing the season with 27 tackles, two interceptions and 11 pass breakups. As a senior in 2007, he appeared in 11 games (four starts) and had 29 tackles (one for a loss), one interception and six pass breakups. Bowman missed the entire 2006 season because of a torn ACL in his left knee, and in March '07 he suffered a ruptured patella tendon in his right knee. He also missed one game in '05 because of a leg injury. There's a lot to like about Bowman's blend of speed, size and athletic ability but he is JUCO transfer who has had problems staying healthy the past two seasons so he doesn't have a great deal of experience and it shows at times. As a result, he projects as a sixth round pick.

[Rastak]

Cowboys trade up for CB Standrick:


Strengths: Displays very good speed and natural athleticism. Is fluid opening hips when forced to turn and run and appears comfortable playing close to the line of scrimmage. Stays disciplined, shows good awareness and rarely gets caught out of position. Has adequate ball skills and flashes the ability to make plays in coverage. Works from the snap until the whistle, takes sound angles to the ball and makes plays in pursuit. Was a durable and versatile playmaker at the mid-major FBS level of competition. Returned a blocked field goal attempt for a touchdown in 2005, returned a blocked point-after-attempt for a two-point conversion in 2005, returned a blocked point-after attempt for a two-point conversion in 2006, blocked four kicks in 2007 and has some experience returning kicks as well as punts.

Weaknesses: Inconsistent in coverage. Plays too high when backpedaling and will take too long getting in and out. Was a bit more aggressive as a junior but still too much of a finesse corner. Gets pushed around and allows bigger WR's to dictate routes. Doesn't deliver a powerful punch and is going to have harder time slowing NFL receivers down at the line of scrimmage. Lacks elite size, doesn't get under blockers' pads and takes too long to shed blocks. Is an adequate drag-down tackler but doesn't always break down into a sound tackling position and isn't going to deliver many big hits. Leaves his feet too often as an open-field tackle, tries to cut guys instead of breaking down, getting square and wrapping up. A workout warrior but doesn't play with quite the speed and explosiveness.

Overall: Scandrick started 12 of the 13 games he appeared in during his true freshman season in 2005 finishing with 50 tackles including 41 unassisted tackles and three tackles-for-loss. He also recorded an interception, 11 pass breakups, one sack and one forced fumble. Scandrick started all 13 games of the 2006 season finishing with 52 total tackles including 6.5 tackles-for-loss. He also recorded an interception, six pass breakups, two sacks and two forced fumbles that year. Scandrick started all 13 games of the 2007 season finishing with 50 total tackles including 36 unassisted tackles and three tackles-for-loss. He also recorded two interceptions, seven pass breakups, half a sack, two forced fumbles and four blocked kicks. Scandrick is still a work in progress. He needs to improve his footwork and become more consistent in terms of his reads. He lacks ideal strength and needs to continue to become more physical  both in coverage and in run support. However, he is an outstanding natural athlete with the intelligence to improve. As a result, Scandrick is worth the risk in the mid-to-late portion of the 2008 draft.

[Rastak]

So can anyone confirm the terms of the historic Vikes-Packers trade?

[Rastak]

Saints take DT Pressley:


Strengths: Possesses an outstanding combination of size and speed. He is tall with adequate bulk and room left on his frame to get bigger. He has been versatile within a hybrid system that allows him to play traditional DT, as well as the DE spot in three-and-four man fronts. At his best when playing a three-technique, which allows him to use his quick first step and explosive burst to penetrate and disrupt. He shows rare closing burst to the ball carrier (and QB) for a prospect at his position. He is powerful in the upper body. Generally drives legs once in position and flashes the ability to drive offensive linemen back into the quarterback as a bull rusher.

Weaknesses: Lacks elite bulk, plays too high and struggles to hold the point when teams run at him. Plays with a narrow base and loses balance at times. His effort can be hit and miss and needs to play with better discipline. Gets frustrated by the double team and will give up too easily at times. Gets too far upfield because he's looking to make the big play and occasionally will blow his assignment and take himself out of position. Missed two games after undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery in 2007, missed timed with a broken wrist in 2006, missed 2007 spring practices because of a toe injury and durability is a concern.

Overall: Pressley appeared in 33 games (24 starts) in his first three seasons (2004-'06), recording 102 tackles (14 for losses) and three sacks. As a senior last season, he played 10 games (eight starts) and had 38 tackles (six for losses), 1.5 sacks and two interceptions. In 2007, he came off the bench in the opener while still recovering from torn ligaments in his left elbow, then missed the next two games after tearing meniscus tissue in his right knee in practice. In 2006, he sat out most of spring drills because of a broken toe and missed the season finale after suffering a wrist injury that required season-ending surgery. Pressley will enter the 2008 draft as one of the most experienced defensive tackles in the class and his blend of size and speed means he has a great deal of upside. However, he's yet to reach his potential and his problems staying healthy over the past two years raise a red flag. With all of that said, Pressley projects as a fourth round pick.

[Fosco33]

How about Lynch - S from App State?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/corey-lynch?id=4273

[Rastak]

I thought everyone left in disgust......LOL

[Rastak]

Lions trade down.

[Fosco33]

So can anyone confirm the terms of the historic Vikes-Packers trade?

5-137 To Minnesota Vikings for Nos. 150 & 209. Originaly from St. Louis Rams with No. 217 for No. 128.

[GoPackGo]

So can anyone confirm the terms of the historic Vikes-Packers trade?

it would appear that the Pack moved down to the 15th in the 5th round and gained the Vikings 10th pick in the 7th round

[Gunakor]

So can anyone confirm the terms of the historic Vikes-Packers trade?


We gave up #137 for #150 and #209 is what it looks like.

[packers11]

packers get 5-150/7-209 for the spot the vikings moved up for : 5-137

[Rastak]

I would have thought they would have gotten more. I like the trade from the Vikings standpoint.

[Gunakor]

So can anyone confirm the terms of the historic Vikes-Packers trade?

it would appear that the Pack moved down to the 15th in the 5th round and gained the Vikings 10th pick in the 7th round


Nope the Queens gave us the 2nd pick in the 7th round.

[Carolina_Packer]

who gives a shit? who gives a shit about adding another 7th round pick while we are allowing the vikings to pick up a QB they weren't smart enough to nab in round 2. count me as another that thinks this was stupid. if booty is kicking our ass down the road someday, i hope the extra pick in the seventh round was worth it.


Wouldn't they have just called the next team in line?
who's to say they didn't and were refused.

so, m now it's wrong to play a little draft defense in your own division?

I'm really surpirsed they made the deal too, I'm only saying that the Vikings easily could have still moved up.

Exactly, Ras. If not the Packers, then they might have found someone else to trade with, so glass half full, we were the ones to get the extra pick, and the Vikes might have gotten their guy anyway.

[Fosco33]

Seems like 'Packer' people... as he did a Q&A on ESPN. Another S - from Army. I'd take him or Lynch.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/caleb-campbell?id=1687

[digitaldean]

Add me to the Owen Schmitt bandwagon. Would be a nice addition to depth at FB

[GoPackGo]

So can anyone confirm the terms of the historic Vikes-Packers trade?

it would appear that the Pack moved down to the 15th in the 5th round and gained the Vikings 10th pick in the 7th round


Nope the Queens gave us the 2nd pick in the 7th round.

I think the Rams gave us that pic

[Bretsky]

I thought everyone left in disgust......LOL


I am a bit disgusted

What the heck did we get from the purple ?

[Gunakor]

So can anyone confirm the terms of the historic Vikes-Packers trade?

it would appear that the Pack moved down to the 15th in the 5th round and gained the Vikings 10th pick in the 7th round


Nope the Queens gave us the 2nd pick in the 7th round.

I think the Rams gave us that pic


Nope, the Rams traded it to the Queens, then the Queens traded it to us

[texaspackerbacker]

This new deal with the military academies could really rejuvenate Army, Navy, Air Force football. They could get big time H.S. recruits again.

I'd like to see the Packers get this guy, Campbell.

[twoseven]

who gives a shit? who gives a shit about adding another 7th round pick while we are allowing the vikings to pick up a QB they weren't smart enough to nab in round 2. count me as another that thinks this was stupid. if booty is kicking our ass down the road someday, i hope the extra pick in the seventh round was worth it.


Wouldn't they have just called the next team in line?
who's to say they didn't and were refused.

so, m now it's wrong to play a little draft defense in your own division?

I'm really surpirsed they made the deal too, I'm only saying that the Vikings easily could have still moved up.

Exactly, Ras. If not the Packers, then they might have found someone else to trade with, so glass half full, we were the ones to get the extra pick, and the Vikes might have gotten their guy anyway.
Hey, then let them try.

We didn't. And all we got for it was a seventh round pick after we slid 14 spots from 137.

[Rastak]

Bengels take DT Jason "don't call me" Shirley:



Strengths: Massive prospect with an exceptional combination of height and bulk. Displays outstanding quickness and mobility for his size but only when he's fresh. Flashes some power at the point of attack and can use powerful bull rush to collapse the pocket. Flashes an effective swim move and shows good closing burst once he gets through the line of scrimmage. Has rare upside if he's dedicated to improving his conditioning and technique. Has shown a knack for blocking kicks throughout his career at Fresno State and can contribute on special teams.

Weaknesses: Is a raw prospect with below average technique. Conditioning and stamina are poor. He wears down too quickly and winds up taking too many plays off when tired. He will look sluggish coming out of his stance and he loses most of his power when he fails to play with leverage. He has a history of cramping up and not finishing games. Suffered an injury midway through 2005 that limited him during the second half of that season, sustained a concussion in 2007 and durability is a concern. Suspended two games for conduct detrimental to the team in late August, suspended from school in October following an arrest on suspicion of driving under the influence, reinstated in mid November but dismissed from team after getting cited for suspicion of driving with a suspended license and expired registration and appeared in only three games during senior season so character is clearly a concern.

Overall: Shirley arrived at Fresno State in 2003 and redshirted the year. In his first three seasons (2004-'06), he appeared in 32 games (13 starts) and recorded 50 tackles (11 for losses) and four sacks. In 2005, he missed two games (and was limited in others) by an injury. In 2007, he played three games and had seven tackles (three for losses), 1.5 sacks and a forced fumble. Shirley lost most of his senior season to a leg injury; a two-game suspension for a violation of team rules; and, ultimately, a dismissal from the team in November, after his arrest for suspicion of DUI. Shirley is a massive nose tackle prospect with impressive mobility for his size but while he flashes spectacular upside, he is still extremely raw and inconsistent. In addition, there are now legitimate concerns that he could become a locker room distraction. As a result, Shirley projects as a late round pick or rookie free agent.

[Lurker64]

I thought everyone left in disgust......LOL


I am a bit disgusted

What the heck did we get from the purple ?

#150 and #209. Considering that we just took Sitton in the fourth, it's fairly obvious that we don't think really highly of any of the rest of the guys on the board. I think that Thompson is just going to treat 7th rounders like lottery tickets at this point.

Either that or TT got nervous when he read JH's concern that TT wasn't going to have 11 guys this year, and decided that whatever it took he would get back to double digits.

[Rastak]

Lions take FB Felton:


Strengths: Locates seams quickly, runs low to the ground and is an effective between-the-tackles runner. Doesn't dance in the backfield, rarely gets brought down behind the line of scrimmage and has a nose for the end zone when gets close to the goal line. Shows excellent leg drive and can push the pile in short-yardage situations. Stays balanced, bounces off arm tackles and rarely goes down with the first hit. Shows good vision, has adequate lateral mobility and can cutback when sees the defense over pursue. Plays with a mean streak and flashes a powerful initial punch as a lead blocker. Plays under control in space and can adjust to the moving target at the second level. Keeps head up, shows good awareness and can pick up the blitz when asked to help out in pass protection. Snatches the ball out of the air and rarely drops passes that should catch.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal explosiveness and is going to have a difficult time turning the corner at the NFL level. Doesn't have breakaway speed and isn't much of a threat to go the distance when gets a seam. Though has improved in this area, doesn't always protect the football and can put it on the ground. Lacks ideal body control, has some problem adjusting to passes thrown outside of frame and doesn't do a great job of tracking the ball downfield. Lacks ideal size, hasn't shown elite lower body strength and is going to have some problems rooting defenders out of the hole. Has improved in this area as well but doesn't always get good hand placement and plays with a narrow base so has some problems sustaining blocks. Played at a small school and there are concerns about ability to make jump to the NFL level. Tough and appears to quickly bounce back from injuries but missed the 2006 Appalachian State game with a high-ankle sprain, had arthroscopic surgery on left knee in February of 2007 and durability is a concern.

Overall: Felton became a starter in the seventh game of his freshman season (2004) and missed only one game in four years at Furman (as a junior), starting 43 of 49 games. He finished his career with 575 carries, 2,652 yards (4.6 average) and an astounding 63 touchdowns. He added 46 receptions for 334 yards (7.3 average) and four more TDs. Felton sat out a game in 2006 after suffering a high right ankle sprain, and he underwent arthroscopic surgery on his left knee in February 2007 but didn't miss any playing time as a result. : Felton is a small-school prospect who isn't a dominant lead blocker or an explosive runner. However, he is an excellent short-yardage runner, a tough blocker and a dependable receiver out of that backfield. That versatility should make him a late-round pick.

[Chubbyhubby]

This new deal with the military academies could really rejuvenate Army, Navy, Air Force football. They could get big time H.S. recruits again.

I'd like to see the Packers get this guy, Campbell.

I agree we should pick this guy up!

[Rastak]

Are you guys sure there wasn;t a next year pick in that Vikes-Pack trade? Is it absolutely confirmed that those are the terms?

[digitaldean]

Here's Sitton's bio from Cent. FL's website:
2007: Made the start at right tackle in the first six games of the season ... Moved to left guard for the Tulsa game (Oct. 20) ... Got the start at right guard at Southern Miss (Oct. 28), vs. Marshall (Nov. 3) and at UAB (Nov. 10) ... Moved over to right tackle in a start at SMU (Nov. 17) and vs. UTEP (Nov. 24).

2006: Started all 12 games at right tackle for the Knights and has made 25-consecutive starts there since the season opener in 2005.

2005: Starter in all 13 games at right tackle for the Golden Knights ... graded out as one of the top linemen on the squad.

2004: Made collegiate debut at No. 21 Wisconsin (Sept. 4) at right guard ... starter at right guard for four games ... one of six lineman to letter on the offensive line in 2004.
_______

Assuming they took him because of his versatility to play guard or tackle

[Rastak]

Bills take LB Bowen:


Strengths: Displays excellent instincts, has greatly improved at reading keys and generally locates the ball carrier quickly. Reaches top-speed quickly, aggressive and makes plays in the backfield. Takes outstanding pursuit angles, does a fine job of using hands to get through traffic, never gives up and always seems to be around the ball at the end of the play. Solid wrap-up tackler with better power than size suggests, tries to strip the ball in pursuit and can generate fumbles. Gets a deep drop in zone coverage and has average range. Does a good job of reading quarterbacks' eyes and generally picks up on screen passes very early. More fluid opening hips than most linebackers, shows good burst coming out of cuts and has excellent short-area man-to-man cover skills. Has adequate not great ball skills and flashes the ability to make big plays in coverage. Progressed at the collegiate level and should only get better with added experience. Possesses the tackling skills and toughness to make a significant impact covering kicks in the NFL and should make immediate contributions on special teams.

Weaknesses: Possesses adequate height but needs to get bigger and improve his overall strength. Lacks ideal lower body strength and isn't stout so needs to be on the move to be successful. Gets engulfed too easily at the point of attack and struggles to hold up in the phone booth. Has some trouble bringing down taller ball carriers at times and needs to do a better job of tackling low. Lacks ideal top-end speed and is going to have some problems running with NFL tight ends and backs. Too small to play an every-down role at linebacker at this point and probably isn't fast enough to move safety. Can be a bit undisciplined and occasionally takes himself out of plays because he's trying to avoid bigger blockers.

Overall: Bowen enrolled at Garden City (N.J.) CC in 2003, redshirting his first year and leading the team in tackles and tackles for loss in his first and only season. After transferring to Iowa State, he appeared in 24 games over his first two seasons (2005-'06), collecting 188 tackles (seven for losses), two sacks and an interception. (He led the nation in tackles per game--12.9--as a junior.) In 2007, Bowen started all 12 games and finished the season with 99 tackles (12.5 for losses), two sacks, five forced fumbles, and an interception. Bowen is an undersized weak-side linebacker prospect with very good athleticism, instincts, quickness and toughness. However, he needs to bulk up and increase his overall strength. In addition, he's quicker than fast and his lack of prototypical top-end speed is going to be exposed more at the NFL level. Bowen should come off the 2008 draft board in the middle rounds.

[gbgary]

Here's Sitton's bio from Cent. FL's website:
2007: Made the start at right tackle in the first six games of the season ... Moved to left guard for the Tulsa game (Oct. 20) ... Got the start at right guard at Southern Miss (Oct. 28), vs. Marshall (Nov. 3) and at UAB (Nov. 10) ... Moved over to right tackle in a start at SMU (Nov. 17) and vs. UTEP (Nov. 24).

2006: Started all 12 games at right tackle for the Knights and has made 25-consecutive starts there since the season opener in 2005.

2005: Starter in all 13 games at right tackle for the Golden Knights ... graded out as one of the top linemen on the squad.

2004: Made collegiate debut at No. 21 Wisconsin (Sept. 4) at right guard ... starter at right guard for four games ... one of six lineman to letter on the offensive line in 2004.
_______

Assuming they took him because of his versatility to play guard or tackle

the Packers OL coach just LOVES the guy!! said they had him in for a visit and he really impressed them.

[Rastak]

Broncos take DT Powell:


Strengths: Gets under blockers pads, plays with a wide base and can hold ground when teams run at him. Delivers a powerful punch, extends arms once in position and flashes the ability to shed blocks quickly. Reads keys and can locate the ball carrier quickly. Gets good forward lean in stance, is aggressive and flashes the ability to make plays in the backfield. Has a mean streak and flashes the ability to jar the ball loose. Never stops working, takes adequate angles to the ball and makes some plays in pursuit. Drives legs once in position and is a relentless pass rusher that flashes the ability to collapse the pocket. Durable and has excellent experience.

Weaknesses: Doesn't always fight pressure coming from sides and can get ridden down the line of scrimmage. Lacks elite range and isn't a sideline-to-sideline player. Doesn't always wrap up upon contact, doesn't show great body control in space and is an inconsistent open field tackler. Isn't explosive enough to consistently get into the backfield when rushing the passer and doesn't show great closing speed when gets a clear path to the quarterback. Lacks elite lateral mobility, doesn't run line stunts all that well and doesn't show a variety of pass rush moves. Occasionally takes wide path to the quarterback and opens up running lane in the process.

Overall: Powell arrived at Virginia Tech in 2003 and redshirted the year. In the next three seasons (2004-'06), he appeared in 38 games (18 starts) and recorded 68 tackles (14 for losses) and three sacks. As a senior, he started played all 13 games at left defensive tackle, starting all but one, and turned in 36 tackles (six for losses) and 2.5 sacks. He sat out one game in 2005 after suffering a right ankle sprain. Powell lacks the closing speed of a productive NFL pass rusher but he can occasionally collapse the pocket with power moves and he is stout against the run. He projects as a fifth round pick.

[pack4to84]

TT on the phone again

[digitaldean]

TT on the phone again

Trading our pick and a ham sandwich for 2010 7th rounder? :wink:

[Carolina_Packer]

TT on the phone again

Are you in the Packers war room?

[Lurker64]

Here's Sitton's bio from Cent. FL's website:
2007: Made the start at right tackle in the first six games of the season ... Moved to left guard for the Tulsa game (Oct. 20) ... Got the start at right guard at Southern Miss (Oct. 28), vs. Marshall (Nov. 3) and at UAB (Nov. 10) ... Moved over to right tackle in a start at SMU (Nov. 17) and vs. UTEP (Nov. 24).

2006: Started all 12 games at right tackle for the Knights and has made 25-consecutive starts there since the season opener in 2005.

2005: Starter in all 13 games at right tackle for the Golden Knights ... graded out as one of the top linemen on the squad.

2004: Made collegiate debut at No. 21 Wisconsin (Sept. 4) at right guard ... starter at right guard for four games ... one of six lineman to letter on the offensive line in 2004.
_______

Assuming they took him because of his versatility to play guard or tackle

the Packers OL coach just LOVES the guy!! said they had him in for a visit and he really impressed them.

I'm glad they like him, we may be the only team in the universe to have scouted this guy. It seems there aren't a lot of guys left we're high on, so if he's the last guy we really like I'm okay with it. It's really hard to tell with OL anyway.

[Gunakor]

TT on the phone again

Trading our pick and a ham sandwich for 2010 7th rounder? :wink:


He'd never trade away our ham sandwich....

[GoPackGo]

TT on the phone again

Trading our pick and a ham sandwich for 2010 7th rounder? :wink:

trading Brohm to the Vikings for Booty and a 3rd rounder in 2010 :roll:

[Rastak]

Vikes should look at C Sullivan of Notre Dame

and maybe Carl Nicks of Nebraska.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

wow I can't believe everyone is so pissed. Booty is garbage, we picked up another pick in the draft. That's another shot in the dark, because that's what the draft is.

Booty has more of a chance of busting than becoming a star.

[digitaldean]

TT on the phone again

Trading our pick and a ham sandwich for 2010 7th rounder? :wink:


He'd never trade away our ham sandwich....

:rs:

[Rastak]

TT on the phone again

Trading our pick and a ham sandwich for 2010 7th rounder? :wink:


He'd never trade away our ham sandwich....

:rs: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[pack4to84]

TT on the phone again

Are you in the Packers war room?packers.com draft room cam

[digitaldean]

wow I can't believe everyone is so pissed. Booty is garbage, we picked up another pick in the draft. That's another shot in the dark, because that's what the draft is.

Booty has more of a chance of busting than becoming a star.

Homerism aside, do you think Ainge is better than Booty?

[Rastak]

Cards take RB Hightower:


Strengths: Is a powerful downhill runner with a strong lower body, almost always falls forward and flashes the ability to push the pile in short-yardage situations. Shows adequate lateral mobility when scraping down the line of scrimmage looking for a seam, makes a crisp first cut and shows good burst through the hole. Stays balanced, powers through would-be arm tackles and is difficult to bring down in the open field. Plays with a mean streak and isn't shy about trying to run defenders over. Snatches the ball out of the air and doesn't drop many passes should catch.

Weaknesses: Lacks prototypical speed and isn't much of a big-play threat. Isn't elusive and won't make many defenders miss when gets into space. Lacks ideal instincts and cuts back into pursuit a little too much. Occasionally puts the ball on the ground and needs to do a better job of securing it. Doesn't explode out of cuts, isn't a great route-runner and is going to have some problems separating from man coverage at the NFL level. Played at a Division I-AA school and there is some concern about ability to adjust to the speed of the game in the NFL.

Overall: In his first three seasons at Richmond (2004-'06), Hightower appeared in 35 games (20 starts) and ran for a combined 1,788 yards and 14 touchdowns on 377 carries (4.7 average). He more than matched those numbers in just 14 games as a senior, with 1,924 rushing yards and 20 TDs on 327 carries (5.9 average). For his career, Hightower also grabbed 106 receptions for 818 yards (7.7 average) and five scores; had two kickoff returns for 30 yards; threw a 24-yard touchdown pass; and contributed as a special teams coverage player all four years (23 tackles and a forced fumble). Hightower is a small-school prospect who isn't going to make many highlight reels and needs to work on his route running so he projects as a late-round pick or rookie free agent. However, he does have the skill set to develop into an effective short-yardage back that can also be a viable red zone receiver.

[packers11]

T.T. will pick a CB/S... Book it

[Rastak]

wow I can't believe everyone is so pissed. Booty is garbage, we picked up another pick in the draft. That's another shot in the dark, because that's what the draft is.

Booty has more of a chance of busting than becoming a star.

Homerism aside, do you think Ainge is better than Booty?


As a WCO QB?

[cpk1994]

wow I can't believe everyone is so pissed. Booty is garbage, we picked up another pick in the draft. That's another shot in the dark, because that's what the draft is.

Booty has more of a chance of busting than becoming a star.Exactly. If Booty was as good as people here say he is, he never would have lasted to the 5th round.

[Carolina_Packer]

TT on the phone again

Are you in the Packers war room?packers.com draft room cam

Shoot, I was hoping the Packer Rats got some kind of bitchin' press credential. We deserve it!

[TennesseePackerBacker]

wow I can't believe everyone is so pissed. Booty is garbage, we picked up another pick in the draft. That's another shot in the dark, because that's what the draft is.

Booty has more of a chance of busting than becoming a star.

Homerism aside, do you think Ainge is better than Booty?


I think they will both be career backups. Clip-board holders

[gbgary]

breno giacomini

[Rastak]

Pack takes OT

Strengths: Gets adequate hand placement, drives legs once in position and flashes the ability to sustain blocks. Moves well laterally when run blocking and can reach defenders lined up over outside shoulder. Takes adequate angles to downfield blocks and shows above-average range. Gets into pass set quickly, has an effective kick step and can beat edge rushers to the corner. Plays with a wide base and can redirect in pass protection. Shuffles feet well, locks out arms and can ride edge rushers past the pocket once locked on. Has experience lining up at tight end and can still line up there in short-yardage situations. Has good size and is tall enough to bulk up.

Weaknesses: Takes too long to coil punch, isn't explosive and doesn't jar defenders at the point of contact. Plays too high, hasn't shown great lower body strength and isn't going to drive two-gap defenders off the ball in short-yardage situations. Base narrows when gets into space, appears stiff at times and struggles to adjust to moving targets at the second level. Doesn't attack linebackers at the second level, needs to be more aggressive and struggles to sustain blocks on linebackers as a result. Lunges, isn't a great cut blocker and spends too much time on the ground. A lot to like about mean streak but will leg whip when gets caught out of position and can get flagged for it. Doesn't sink hips enough in pass protection and gives too much ground to bull rushers. Photographed making an obscene gesture towards the crowd during pre-game at Kentucky in 2007 and character is a concern. Started just six games during senior season and is inexperienced.

Overall: Giacomini arrived at Louisville in 2004 and played in 37 games (two starts) over his first three seasons (2004-06), taking reps at both tight end and offensive tackle. He finished his Cardinals career with four receptions for 19 yards and a touchdown, all in his first two seasons. As a senior, he started all 12 games at right tackle. Giacomini has the frame, nastiness and athletic ability that NFL teams covet at right tackle. However, he's unproven and a pre-game incident this year raises concerns about his maturity. In addition, he's a marginal drive blocker at this point so he a developmental prospect who needs to get stronger and work on his technique. With all of that in mind, Giacomini projects as a sixth round pick.

[Lurker64]

Breno Giacomini?

Breno Giacomini!

[GoPackGo]

Breno Giacomini
Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 5
Pick (Overall): 15(150)
OT | (6'7", 303, 5.2) | LOUISVILLE

[GrnBay007]

Breno. Now that name sounds like a brute.

[digitaldean]

OT Breno Giacomini from Louisville

Looks like brohm has a teammate to join him.

[Brohm]

Well we got 2/5ths of the Louisville OL along with Brohm :shock:

[gbgary]

guess they saw this guy doing a good for brohm while watching his film.

[justanotherpackfan]

Well, he squats 455, so I guess it was a pretty good pick.

[Deputy Nutz]

I think he might be tied to the mob with a name like that.

[Rastak]

Texans take DT Okam:


Strengths: Possesses a massive frame, is big enough to hold ground when teams run at him and flashes the ability to occupy multiple blockers at the point of attack. Moves well for size and shows good lateral mobility when legs are fresh. Displays the ability to disengage, find the ball and disrupt plays in the backfield. Has adequate lower body strength and can collapse the pocket as a bull rusher. Has long arms, gets hands up and can be disruptive when doesn't get to the quarterback.

Weaknesses: Effort is far too inconsistent. Gives up on plays too easily and takes far too many plays off. He will dominate an offensive lineman one down and get pushed around by the same player the next down. Doesn't protect legs very well and leaves his feet too frequently. His anticipation skills are marginal, he lacks ideal explosiveness and he takes to long to get out of stance. Lacks ideal discipline and jumps off-sides too often. Isn't quick enough to consistently shoot gaps and doesn't show great closing speed when gets a clear path to the quarterback. Wears down quickly and needs to be spelled far too much. Despite problems with stamina and keeping weight down while at Texas, showed up to the combine far too heavy so there are questions about commitment to staying in good playing shape. Missed 2006 Baylor game with a right knee injury, slowed by abdominal injury during the 2006 season, missed 2007 spring practices after undergoing arthroscopic surgery on right knee and durability is a concern.

Overall: Okam appeared in 37 games (26 starts) in his first three seasons at Texas (2004-'06), recording 108 tackles (17 for losses) and five sacks. As a senior in 2007, he started all 13 games at strong-side defensive tackle and finished the season with 52 tackles (11 for losses), five sacks, a force fumble and five pass breakups. He missed one game in 2006 after suffering a right knee sprain, which required arthroscopic surgery that kept Okam out of 2007 spring drills. Okam flashes the mobility and power to dominate the interior but much like Michigan's Alan Branch, whose stock plummeted leading up to the 2007 draft, Okam's motor is far too inconsistent and he's having problems keeping his weight down. With that in mind, Okam projects as a late fourth or early fifth round pick.

[Rastak]

Vikes take DT Guion:

Strengths: Has an explosive first step, regularly beats blockers to the point of attack and disrupt running plays in the backfield. Strong, stays low coming out of stance and can hold ground when he plays with sound technique. Flashes a powerful punch, has active hands and can shed blocks quickly. Shows good balance and can spin off blocks. Takes sound pursuit angles and works from snap until the whistle. Shows above-average range for size and always seems to be around the ball at the end of the play. Drives legs once in position, shows above-average lower body strength and is a powerful bull rusher that can collapse the pocket. Has steadily progressed, works hard in the weight room and should only get better with added experience.

Weaknesses: Lacks elite size and can get engulfed by double teams. Plays with a narrow base, occasionally ducks head and can get washed down the line of scrimmage by angle blocks. Doesn't protect legs well enough and is vulnerable to cut blocks. Raw, lacks ideal experience and takes too long to locate the ball at times. Lacks ideal closing speed and is frequently step late getting to quarterback. While shows good lateral mobility and has active hands, relies on quickness to much and needs to work on using a variety of moves when rushing the passer. Lacks ideal awareness, has some problems picking up screens as well as draws and doesn't always get hands up when isn't going to get to the passer.

Overall: Guion started in one of the ten games he appeared in during his true freshman season in 2005. In 2006, Guion started five of the 12 games he appeared in recording 25 tackles including four tackles-for-loss. Guion started in eight of the 12 games he appeared in during the 2007 season recording 31 total tackles including 17 unassisted tackles and 6.5 tackles-for-loss. He also recorded one sack and recovered two fumbles last year. Guion is raw and inconsistent but he flashes enormous potential and he's quick, strong, determined and athletic enough to develop into a valuable NFL starter if he continues to refine his technique and improve his instincts. He projects as a late first-day pick.

[digitaldean]

I think he might be tied to the mob with a name like that.

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/lou/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/560050.jpeg

You gotta problem with dat? (his pic from Louisville website)

He has played tight end for Louisville also.

[cpk1994]

I think he might be tied to the mob with a name like that.Good. IF their are players on opposing teams the Packes need to have taken out, he can make a call and take care of it.

[Rastak]

Guion is BPA per their board I guess. They do need to get some young DT's. All vets there now.

[Lurker64]

Really, if were going to pick Breno at 137 (or any of the other guys between Booty and Giacomini), I'll take the extra seventh.

[Bretsky]

I wonder what is wrong with Trae Williams ???? He'd have been a nice CB to pick up. If the P is there in round 7 we might as well grab him

[Carolina_Packer]

NFC North Scorecard so far...

Pack
Rd 2 - #5(36) Jordy Nelson (WR) Kansas St
Rd 2 - #25(56) Brian Brohm (QB) Louisville
Rd 2 - #29(60) Patrick Lee (CB) Auburn
Rd 3 - #28(91) Jermichael Finley (TE) Texas
Rd 4 - #3(102) Jeremy Thompson (DE) W Forest
Rd 4 - #36(135) Josh Sitton (OT) C Florida
Rd 5 - #15(150) Breno Giacomini (OT) Louisville
Rd 7 - #2(209)
Rd 7 - #10(217)
Rd 7 - #30(237)

Vikes
Rd 2 - #12(43) Tyrell Johnson (S) Arkansas St
Rd 5 - #2(137) John David Booty (QB) USC
Rd 5 - #17(152) Letroy Guion (DT) Florida St
Rd 6 - #21(187)
Rd 6 - #27(193)

Bears
Rd 1 - #14(14) Chris Williams (OT) Vanderbilt
Rd 2 - #13(44) Matt Forte (RB) Tulane
Rd 3 - #7(70) Earl Bennett (WR) Vanderbilt
Rd 3 - #27(90) Marcus Harrison (DT) Arkansas
Rd 4 - #21(120) Craig Steltz (S) LSU
Rd 5 - #7(142) Zack Bowman (CB) Nebraska
Rd 5 - #23(158)
Rd 7 - #1(208)
Rd 7 - #15(222)
Rd 7 - #36(243)
Rd 7 - #40(247)
Rd 7 - #41(248)

Lions
Rd 1 - #17(17) Gosder Cherilus (OT) BC
Rd 2 - #14(45) Jordon Dizon (OLB) Colorado
Rd 3 - #1(64) Kevin Smith (RB) C Florida
Rd 3 - #24(87) Andre Fluellen (DT) Florida St
Rd 3 - #29(92) Cliff Avril (DE) Purdue
Rd 5 - #1(136) Kenneth Moore (WR) W Forest
Rd 5 - #11(146) Jerome Felton (FB) Furman
Rd 7 - #9(216)
Rd 7 - #11(218)

[Lurker64]

Weird, the Vikes are the only team in the North with a sixth round pick.

[Rastak]

Pats take WR Slater: No bio (website issues)?

[Rastak]

Atlanta take LB Bierman - no Bio

[Lurker64]

Something interesting on our latest pick:


Because he hasn’t played along the offensive line very long – just three years – Giacomini is definitely one of the more raw offensive line prospects in the Draft, however, with his size and athleticism, a team, if they are patient enough, could be getting a first-round talent.

Giacomini has excellent feet and size (6-7, 306) and his athleticism is rare for a man his size. He played in a passing offense at Louisville so the kid has had plenty of experience facing pass-rushers and last year, as the starting left tackle, he allowed only two sacks while helping lead an offense that ranked forth in the nation.

Source (http://sea.scout.com/2/749177.html).

[texaspackerbacker]

I wonder what that "pre-game incident" was that ol' Breno was involved in.

[Rastak]

Weird, the Vikes are the only team in the North with a sixth round pick.


Hmmm, they certainly had one.......


edit: Lurker, they have 2.

[Lurker64]

I wonder what that "pre-game incident" was that ol' Breno was involved in.

I think he made an obscene gesture at a fan. But who hasn't?

[Carolina_Packer]

I wonder if the Bears are considering Andre Woodson? He could be a sleeper. I'm surprised they didn't get a QB sooner.

[Deputy Nutz]

I think he might be tied to the mob with a name like that.

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/lou/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/560050.jpeg

You gotta problem with dat? (his pic from Louisville website)

He has played tight end for Louisville also.

Nice eyebrows

[Rastak]

Jax takes LB Williams:


Strengths: Instinctive, reads keys and locates the ball carrier quickly. Plays with a mean streak and is physical at the point of contact. Gets under blockers' pads, has good size and can anchor against the run. Possesses excellent upper body strength, flashes a violent punch and can shed blocks quickly. Doesn't have great range but takes sound angles to the ball and is relentless in pursuit. Shows great awareness, reads quarterback's eyes and does a good job of breaking on the ball when asked to drop into zone coverage. Displays excellent ball skills and has flashed the ability to make plays in coverage given the opportunity. Has experience lining up at all three linebacker spots and is versatile. Excels at covering kicks, willing blocker in the return game and should make immediate contributions on special teams.

Weaknesses: Started just ten games over the past three seasons, lined up on the inside as well as the outside and moved to fullback midway though 2006 season so lacks ideal experience and has been able to work on improving at one spot. Doesn't have great top-end speed and isn't a sideline-to-sideline defender. Lacks elite explosiveness and isn't going to make many plays in the backfield at the NFL level. Doesn't show great body control in space and misses too many open field tackles trying to deliver the big hit rather than wrapping up. Takes too long to change directions, doesn't show great burst coming out of cuts and may never develop serviceable man-to-man cover skills. Lacks elite range and doesn't cover a lot of ground when asked to drop into zone coverage. Doesn't show a variety of pass rush moves, lacks ideal closing speed and isn't much of a threat to get to the quarterback coming off the edge. Missed three games after spraining left knee during training, underwent off-season abdominal surgery in 2006 and durability is a concern.

Overall: Williams arrived at USC in 2003 and redshirted the year. In his first three seasons (2004-'06), he appeared in 36 games (10 starts) and collected 61 tackles (7.5 for losses), three sacks, one forced fumbles, two interceptions and three pass breakups. As a senior in 2007, he played all 13 games (four starts) and had 56 tackles (five for losses), one interception, two forced fumbles and five pass breakups. During his career with the Trojans, Williams played all three linebacker spots, fullback and special teams. A left knee sprain cost him three games in 2005 and required surgery, which kept him out of some of USC's spring drills in 2006. He also had surgery toi repair an abdominal strain that offseason. Williams doesn't have elite natural ability so it's not all that shocking that he never won a starting job outright when you consider the abundance of talent at USC. That said, he probably would have started for most other teams and he made the most of his chances. Williams has shown he's versatile enough to provide some depth at all three linebacker positions and that he can make an immediate impact on a team's special teams' units.

[Lurker64]

Weird, the Vikes are the only team in the North with a sixth round pick.


Hmmm, they certainly had one.......


edit: Lurker, they have 2.

But in order to have two they certainly have one. The other teams in the North have no sixth round picks. That's certainly unusual, I would say.

If I say "Yeah, I have a car" is someone going to correct me and say "No, you have two cars" (assuming I did)?

[gbpackfan]

I wonder what is wrong with Trae Williams ???? He'd have been a nice CB to pick up. If the P is there in round 7 we might as well grab him


Trae is a SHRIMP! No more 5'9" CBs!

[GrnBay007]

I wonder what that "pre-game incident" was that ol' Breno was involved in.

Maybe he took care of a side job for the "family" :P

[Carolina_Packer]

I think he might be tied to the mob with a name like that.

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/lou/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/560050.jpeg

You gotta problem with dat? (his pic from Louisville website)

He has played tight end for Louisville also.

Nice eyebrows

No manscaping there! :lol: Jocko-meanie...sounds like a tough guy!

[Rastak]

Weird, the Vikes are the only team in the North with a sixth round pick.


Hmmm, they certainly had one.......


edit: Lurker, they have 2.

But in order to have two they certainly have one. The other teams in the North have no sixth round picks. That's certainly unusual, I would say.

If I say "Yeah, I have a car" is someone going to correct me and say "No, you have two cars" (assuming I did)?



OHHHHHH, I thought you said they were the only team without one.


DOH..


Sorry.

[texaspackerbacker]

Dennis Dixon--the new SLASH.

[pack4to84]

some good reading material for you guys Bears forum
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=227813

unbalanced wrote:
NFL.com on Bowman:

Quote:
Compares To: FABIAN WASHINGTON-Oakland...Husker cornerbacks need to come with a "buyer beware" tag on their jerseys. Washington proved to be a bust and injuries make Bowman a risky draft pick, despite his timed speed. He is never going to be an efficient open-field tackler and lacks great ball recognition skills. Sure, he can stay with the receivers on routes and break up a bunch of passes, but more often than not, he will bite on play-action and pump fakes, giving up the big play. Anything more than a seventh-round pick on this medical risk and a general manager will regret making that decision.
JA's draft grade has went from a b to a D in comparing 1st and 2nd day. Terrible, aweful pick.
dabears54 wrote:
WOW....lots of haters today, you guys are bringing me down. I, personally, like the draft. You can't have too many corners, when Vasher went down we were starting a 7th rounder last year. Granted that worked out, but if you like a guy at a premium position like CB, then take him. I don't think drafting for needs in the 6th round is a good strategy. As far as the experts/magazines go, how many of them would have predicted that Woodson/Nicks would even be here? and why is everyone else passing on them? we don't know, trust in the front office and lets let it play out. I hated the idea of drafting a KR in the second round a few years ago............

[Rastak]

Steelers take Dixon!


Strengths: Dual threat quarterback with excellent athleticism for the position. Gets set quickly and has a quick release. Puts above-average zip on passes and flashes the ability to fit the ball into tight spaces when throwing underneath. Not forcing as many throws as a senior and is content to tuck-and-run when a receiver doesn't break open. Shows adequate accuracy when he gets into a rhythm and flashes the ability to lead receivers when throwing underneath. Is tall enough to scan the field from within the pocket and has the quick feet to buy time. Shows adequate ball skills and can freeze defenders with play fake. Can make the first defender miss and is fast enough to pick up valuable yards with feet when scrambles. Shows good awareness when running in the open field and generally gets down or out of bounds when pursuit closes in.

Weaknesses: Is lean and must add significant bulk to his frame in order to withstand NFL punishment. Needs to get stronger, as well. Durability is now a major concern following 2007 season-ending knee injury. Is he committed to playing football or baseball professionally? Plays in a spread scheme in college and spends most of his time working out of the shotgun. Will have to adjust to lining up under center and reading coverage while dropping. Doesn't appear to read defenses well and locks onto receivers far too much. Loses the strike zone too frequently and is inconsistent as a passer. Doesn't put great touch on downfield passes and struggles to drop the ball in over coverage. Footwork is inconsistent, frequently throws off back foot when defense gets pressure up the middle and throws across body at times.

Overall: In his first three seasons at Oregon (2004-'06), Dixon played in 30 games (13 starts) and completed 272 of 441 attempts (61.7 percent) for 2,993 yards, 18 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. He also rushed 153 times for 625 yards (4.1 average) and three touchdowns in that span. Dixon was knocked out of a game in 2005 with a concussion. He exploded as a senior, completing 67.7 percent of his pass attempts for 2,136 yards, 20 touchdowns and just four interceptions in 10 games to rank third in the nation in passer efficiency (161.2). He also ran for 583 yards (5.0 average) and nine touchdowns before suffering a torn ACL in his left knee at Arizona in November. Few players improved their draft stock as much as Dixon did during the first couple months of the 2007 season. Unfortunately for Dixon, a knee injury cut his remarkable senior campaign short. When healthy, Dixon has enough redeeming qualities as a developmental project to consider drafting in the middle rounds. He has always been blessed with a great frame, a strong arm and excellent athletic ability. However, in order to compete for a starting job in the NFL, he must improve his bulk, strength and overall efficiency as a passer. And that's assuming he makes a full recovery. While his upside is intriguing, Dixon has entirely too many strikes against him to warrant consideration in the first three rounds. A team willing to take that type of risk must consider these four hurdles: 1) He must recover from ACL tear. 2) He only starred for two months of one season (less than another one-hit wonder from Oregon, Akili Smith). 3) He comes from a spread offense that has not translated well to the NFL. 4) There is very little assurance he will choose to play football professionally instead of returning to the baseball field.

[Rastak]

Rams take G Schuening after trading up:


Strengths: A tough, feisty guard with great experience. Takes sound angles to blocks and generally gets into good position when drive blocking. Tough and works from the snap to the whistle. Big enough to engulf undersized defenders and can wear defenders down over the course of a game. Footwork is sound when combo blocking defensive lineman up to a linebacker and flashes the ability to get into position at the second level. Shows adequate range for size and flashes the ability to pull effectively. Gets adequate knee bend in pass set and holds ground against bull rushers. Doesn't have an explosive first step but is efficient and gets into pass set quickly. Keeps head up and shows good awareness in pass protection.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal mobility, struggles to adjust to the moving target in space and can lose balance. Can't change directions quickly and struggles to adjust to double moves. Doesn't get great hand placement, frequently fails to extend arms once in position and occasionally struggles to sustain blocks. Fails to deliver a violent initial punch, doesn't roll hips upon contact and isn't going to knock many defenders back. Plays too high at times and could struggle to drive two-gap defenders off the ball at the NFL level.

Overall: Schuening arrived at Oregon State in 2003 and redshirted the season. Over the next four years (2004-06), he played and started in 50 consecutive games, a school record. Because of injuries, he started the Ducks' last four games at right tackle. A mild concussion in August 2006 didn't cost Schuening any games. He played one game in 2007 while suffering from walking pneumonia. Schuening lacks ideal athleticism and explosiveness but he is a relentless drive blocker who can hold his own in pass protection. He has some experience at right tackle and could fill in if necessary, but his best fit in the NFL is clearly at guard. What he lacks in elite physical tools he makes up for with good technique and excellent toughness. That's why we think Schuening is worth the risk as early as Round 3.

[Carolina_Packer]

Dixon=Randle El

[RashanGary]

All athletes. What happened to the "football player" thing?

Brohm and Nelson are players. The rest are athletes with "potential"

[Chubbyhubby]

Mort on ESPN reported that the Packers offered Daute Culpepper a contract.

Very interesting....

[Carolina_Packer]

Mort on ESPN reported that the Packers offered Daute Culpepper a contract.

Very interesting....

I know there are detractors, but he'd be injury insurance. We are a hit or two away from the super unknown. Culpepper is not going to wet his pants under center or dropping back and if he's all the way back and healthy, actually might make some good throws.