The Official 2010 NFL Draft Thread

[green_bowl_packer]

I think NE is screwing up. This draft was good at the top end, but not so good the higher the rounds. TT was smart taking what he wanted up front.

It is weird that a play-off team takes the rebuilding strategy, not sure what NE's situation is or what their needs are, but it would seem they are rebuilding with 13 picks. Maybe BB is trying a pre-emptive strike with all these picks in a supposedly very deep draft. Still a lot of good players left, so they have the ammo to pick and choose if they want to move up for someone. I think I just heard NFLN's Lombardi say that NE has 2 #1's and 2 #2 next year out of all this, not too bad.

[Bretsky]

Here are a few players that pique my interest:

Eric Norwood, OLB
Owusu-Ansah, Akwasi, CB
Brandon Lang, OLD/DE
Joe McKnight, RB

McKnight could be used on kickoffs and as a 3rd down back. Nice change of pace guy.


It would be unbelievable to add Eric Norwood but IMO we'd have a give up most of our remaining picks to get there.

McNight might fall to us but I doubt it.

With our late 6th I'd like the Zoltan and with our 7th I want O'Brien Schofield and his torn ACL

[RashanGary]

This is a deep draft. Teams that are looking for select pieces like us (LT, Safety) will be able to land their guys. Teams looking to replenish a lot of depth will be able to do that (NE).

I think you can see Ted putting a premium on fine tuning this team. Bulaga, the pass rush DL, Burnett. . . . I think Thompson is trying to get this team over the top.

[retailguy]

So what does drafting the DE say.....he seems to have some promise but is Jolly in more trouble than we think and is Jenkins gonzo?

Both are FA's next year, so it gives TT some options if we can't work something out with them..

I think they may also be worried about whether or not Jolly will continue to produce after he gets paid. I've heard rumblings to that effect.

Ted is pretty good about structuring contracts to combat this. I think it speaks louder about Harrell and Jenkins than Jolly. but that's just me...

[steve823]

Overall our draft is going pretty dam good.

A couple of players I would love to see the Packers get in rounds 4-7 are:

Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
Ricky Sapp
Donovan Warren
Dominuqe Franks

Maybe one of them will fall to us 8-)

Heck I would even take Bruce Campbell in the 5th...it's worth taking the risk for only a 5th

[retailguy]

This is a deep draft. Teams that are looking for select pieces like us (LT, Safety) will be able to land their guys. Teams looking to replenish a lot of depth will be able to do that (NE).

I think you can see Ted putting a premium on fine tuning this team. Bulaga, the pass rush DL, Burnett. . . . I think Thompson is trying to get this team over the top.

Personally, I think Ted is just drafting. If he was "trying" to get the team over the top, I think he'd have taken an OL, or a corner with that 2nd round pick.

He is just drafting Justin.

[Lurker64]

So what does drafting the DE say.....he seems to have some promise but is Jolly in more trouble than we think and is Jenkins gonzo?

Both are FA's next year, so it gives TT some options if we can't work something out with them..

I think they may also be worried about whether or not Jolly will continue to produce after he gets paid. I've heard rumblings to that effect.

Ted is pretty good about structuring contracts to combat this. I think it speaks louder about Harrell and Jenkins than Jolly. but that's just me...

Well Harrell is probably a lost cause, and Jenkins may be expensive to keep (and he's 29 and has battled injuries in the past). So just think of the Neal pick as insurance against three different things.

Then again, they've had their eye on this guy for the last two years (since before they switched to the 3-4, and after)... so probably the scouts know something that I, at least, don't.

[The Shadow]

This is a deep draft. Teams that are looking for select pieces like us (LT, Safety) will be able to land their guys. Teams looking to replenish a lot of depth will be able to do that (NE).

I think you can see Ted putting a premium on fine tuning this team. Bulaga, the pass rush DL, Burnett. . . . I think Thompson is trying to get this team over the top.

Personally, I think Ted is just drafting. If he was "trying" to get the team over the top, I think he'd have taken an OL, or a corner with that 2nd round pick.
He is just drafting Justin.

Huh?

[swede]

This is a deep draft. Teams that are looking for select pieces like us (LT, Safety) will be able to land their guys. Teams looking to replenish a lot of depth will be able to do that (NE).

I think you can see Ted putting a premium on fine tuning this team. Bulaga, the pass rush DL, Burnett. . . . I think Thompson is trying to get this team over the top.

Personally, I think Ted is just drafting. If he was "trying" to get the team over the top, I think he'd have taken an OL, or a corner with that 2nd round pick.
He is just drafting Justin.

Huh?

You took the huh right out of my mouth.

[retailguy]

So what does drafting the DE say.....he seems to have some promise but is Jolly in more trouble than we think and is Jenkins gonzo?

Both are FA's next year, so it gives TT some options if we can't work something out with them..

I think they may also be worried about whether or not Jolly will continue to produce after he gets paid. I've heard rumblings to that effect.

Ted is pretty good about structuring contracts to combat this. I think it speaks louder about Harrell and Jenkins than Jolly. but that's just me...

Well Harrell is probably a lost cause, and Jenkins may be expensive to keep (and he's 29 and has battled injuries in the past). So just think of the Neal pick as insurance against three different things.

Then again, they've had their eye on this guy for the last two years (since before they switched to the 3-4, and after)... so probably the scouts know something that I, at least, don't.

I agree. I know nothing about this guy, other that what I've read this evening, but the general consensus is that he's better suited for a 4-3. While we'll play some 4-3, I just find this puzzling. There has to be something that we don't know. (which would not be unusual.)

[Lurker64]

This is a deep draft. Teams that are looking for select pieces like us (LT, Safety) will be able to land their guys. Teams looking to replenish a lot of depth will be able to do that (NE).

I think you can see Ted putting a premium on fine tuning this team. Bulaga, the pass rush DL, Burnett. . . . I think Thompson is trying to get this team over the top.

Personally, I think Ted is just drafting. If he was "trying" to get the team over the top, I think he'd have taken an OL, or a corner with that 2nd round pick.
He is just drafting Justin.

Huh?

In other words, if Ted were trying to just get the one player that would put this team over the top he'd take a guy who would fill a position of need whether or not it was good value. But he's just doing what he always does, puts trust in his board, and prioritizes athletes, leaders, and hard workers. Anybody who's all three (like Neal) has "Ted" written all over him.

[Maxie the Taxi]

It'd be cool if TT could pick up a return specialist like Trindon Holliday in the last rounds.

[retailguy]

This is a deep draft. Teams that are looking for select pieces like us (LT, Safety) will be able to land their guys. Teams looking to replenish a lot of depth will be able to do that (NE).

I think you can see Ted putting a premium on fine tuning this team. Bulaga, the pass rush DL, Burnett. . . . I think Thompson is trying to get this team over the top.

Personally, I think Ted is just drafting. If he was "trying" to get the team over the top, I think he'd have taken an OL, or a corner with that 2nd round pick.
He is just drafting Justin.

Huh?

In other words, Ted is trying to just get the one player that would put this team over the top, he'd take a guy who would fill a position of need whether or not it was good value. But he's just doing what he always does, puts trust in his board, and prioritizes athletes, leaders, and hard workers. Anybody who's all three (like Neal) has "Ted" written all over him.

thank you. (btw, that was actually a compliment that I was directing at the old boy. - he's doing what he is supposed to be doing, and I respected his comment about how the draft board was falling.)

[Maxie the Taxi]

Anyone think Jonathan Dwyer is worth a stab? He looks pretty good on film. A one cut, pretty fast big man.

[steve823]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/23/patriots-called-everson-griffen/

Thought the last line was hilarious

[mission]

Anyone think Jonathan Dwyer is worth a stab? He looks pretty good on film. A one cut, pretty fast big man.

nope. not until the 5th+ ... techie here, not a fan. his yards are a result of a lot of confusion, misdirection and josh nesbitt (qb).

[steve823]

Anyone think Jonathan Dwyer is worth a stab? He looks pretty good on film. A one cut, pretty fast big man.

I still think CB would be a better pick. I especially like Akwasi Owusu-Ansah.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/akwasi-owusu-ansah?id=494293#tabs:tab-analysis

He has a lot to offer and can help out in run support, which Capers said is important for a CB in our scheme.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Anyone think Jonathan Dwyer is worth a stab? He looks pretty good on film. A one cut, pretty fast big man.

I still think CB would be a better pick. I especially like Akwasi Owusu-Ansah.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/akwasi-owusu-ansah?id=494293#tabs:tab-analysis

He has a lot to offer and can help out in run support, which Capers said is important for a CB in our scheme.

I'm skeptical a suitably good corner will last until our next pick. This is what makes me think the value picks were earlier in this draft -- like the ones TT made.

[mission]

would love to get AOA ... don't think that's possible without adding a pick

[steve823]

True, but he's also a factor in the return game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhqOcr4rTsM&feature=related

[Maxie the Taxi]

True, but he's also a factor in the return game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhqOcr4rTsM&feature=related

Wow! :) I sure hope he sticks around.

[steve823]

True, but he's also a factor in the return game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhqOcr4rTsM&feature=related

Wow! :) I sure hope he sticks around.

We don't have much to trade up though so chances are slim..but you never know.

I thought it was funny when the announcer said his name after he scored..I replayed it like 3 times to listen to it haha.

[green_bowl_packer]

Anyone think Jonathan Dwyer is worth a stab? He looks pretty good on film. A one cut, pretty fast big man.

He's the highest rated RB left with Dixon of MSU, McKnight of USC, and the SIU guy Deji Karim who they say we like. I saw this guy on NFP, fits the scatback/change of pace mold.

4. RB Michael Smith, Arkansas

Michael SmithAPMichael Smith averaged more than 5.0 yards per carry each of the past four seasons.

It’s not out of the question that Michael Smith might be the most dynamic open field threat coming out of the SEC. Smith stands just 5-7, 180 pounds, but he’s absolutely lighting in a bottle and has the ability to instantly reach top speed, consistently make defenders miss and explode into daylight. He averaged more than 5.0 yards per carry each of the past four seasons but had plenty of struggles staying on the field because of his slight frame. However, if given a chance as a change-of-pace/third-down guy, there definitely is a place for him in the NFL.

[mission]

Big lean towards Joe McKnight... can't be an every down back like Dwyer (potentially) could but that's not what we're looking for anyway. Exciting 3rd down back, steal in the 5th, would bet on mid 4th tho :?

[swede]

When is our next pick now?

[retailguy]

When is our next pick now?

fifth round #154

[Lurker64]

When is our next pick now?

We pick 154 and 169 in the fifth.

[mission]

When is our next pick now?

We pick 154 and 169 in the fifth.

at what number does round 5 start? [/lazy]

[Maxie the Taxi]

Steve, watch these... Trindon Holliday is unbelievable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt-KZ4VwPkk&feature=PlayList&p=7E913F23A5C84708&playnext_from=PL&playnext=2&index=13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YgGylLHmq4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlYgAUH7zfI

[pbmax]

They'll play him at end... but still, we were, suprisingly, very solid at DE last year... even if he's a decent player, don't see how this pick makes us any better over the next couple of years.
Who starts for Jolly if he gets suspended?


How about our 07 first round draft pick ??
Sure, that would be great and talent-wise, he should be better. But no one is counting on him.

[mission]

i like holliday maxie... think we could use him in exotic formations occasionally on offense too.




and hey ill try to stop my burnett suck-fest soon but you know if this guy went to florida he'd be a top 15 pick. steaaaaal.

[pbmax]

I don't post much and I don't think anyone knows who I am.

But I jokes before our 2nd round pick that it might be a 3-4 DE...I was right hahah.


I think Colt Mccoy will be the best QB out of this draft.


I like out pick at safety. I trust TT.

I also think Brad Jones will be decent this year, so I am not worried on that department.

But also...don't count out a trade after the draft.


I'm going to the Packers at Skins game this year, holla at me if you are too. I need more tailgate buddies.

And im drunk so dont hate on my typos
arc, we remember you. And check out the schedule thread. There are a few Rats going to the Redskins game and the Atlanta game, I think.

[pbmax]

I kind of wish TT would have traded down in round two to pick up antoher 4th or 5th........



Ted said the "board was falling the wrong way". What he meant by that, is he was concerned that the picks remaining would not have made the team, so he moved up to take someone he thought would make the team.

Even I can't fault the guy for that one...
Other than value, might be the most straightforward explanation he has given about drafting. He was really chatty this year. I think drafting at night lowers his defenses.

Or he is drinking.

[steve823]

Steve, watch these... Trindon Holliday is unbelievable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt-KZ4VwPkk&feature=PlayList&p=7E913F23A5C84708&playnext_from=PL&playnext=2&index=13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YgGylLHmq4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlYgAUH7zfI

He would be a great threat in our return game. We could also probably get him very late too since he would be a specialist in the return game.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/trindon-holliday?id=497218#tabs:tab-analysis

[Maxie the Taxi]

i like holliday maxie... think we could use him in exotic formations occasionally on offense too.




and hey ill try to stop my burnett suck-fest soon but you know if this guy went to florida he'd be a top 15 pick. steaaaaal.

I agree on both counts. If we had a scatback like Holliday or Michael Smith of Arkansas, I think it would take a lot of pressure off Rodgers and really be a problem for defenses. Look what Harvin does for the Viqueens.

And with regard to Florida, you're right. They've got Grade A players, but there are so many good ones, you never know if the stand-outs got there on there own or just had a lot of help.

Take Cunningham, Dunlap, Major Wright and Brandon Spikes. Could be greaaaat. But could be disappointments too. Now that NE has two of them, I'm hoping big disappointments. :)

[Maxie the Taxi]

Steve, watch these... Trindon Holliday is unbelievable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt-KZ4VwPkk&feature=PlayList&p=7E913F23A5C84708&playnext_from=PL&playnext=2&index=13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YgGylLHmq4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlYgAUH7zfI

He would be a great threat in our return game. We could also probably get him very late too since he would be a specialist in the return game.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/trindon-holliday?id=497218#tabs:tab-analysis

I'll tell you the guy is fearless. Look how Devin Hester put fear into the entire NFL when he was a rookie. (By the way, I really, really, really wanted the Packers to draft Hester that year too.) A dependable returner like Desmond Howard and Hester are worth their weight in gold.

[steve823]

Completely Agree Maxie. Players like AOA and Holliday are great because they can help out in 2 aspects of the game. AOA can probably give some CB depth and be a threat in the return game. Holliday will give us a threat in the return game and possibly one on offense too that can stretch the field.

We have a better chance of getting Holliday though. However, I wouldn't be shocked to see TT pick anything in the later rounds. WR, TE, OLB, OL, QB,...anything. In the later rounds he seems to look for steals instead of pick for needs.

[imscott72]

This is a deep draft. Teams that are looking for select pieces like us (LT, Safety) will be able to land their guys. Teams looking to replenish a lot of depth will be able to do that (NE).

I think you can see Ted putting a premium on fine tuning this team. Bulaga, the pass rush DL, Burnett. . . . I think Thompson is trying to get this team over the top.

Personally, I think Ted is just drafting. If he was "trying" to get the team over the top, I think he'd have taken an OL, or a corner with that 2nd round pick.

He is just drafting Justin.

I disagree. We all know it starts in the trenches, and TT's first two picks addressed that. He said himself that our core is better this year, thus the trade up. We have far less holes than we had last year and the year before that.

[pbmax]

NFL fans are dumb.

http://draftmvps.nfl.com/


Terry Bradshaw is 13th? Emmitt Smith is 9th, when Jim Brown is 12th?

[Maxie the Taxi]

pb, these guys are ranked by the fans as "best ever" or what?

[Fosco33]

O'Brien Schofield with pick 193 :P

[pbmax]

pb, these guys are ranked by the fans as "best ever" or what?
They are supposed to be the best ever draft picks. I did not see the original survey, so I don't know the original context or exact question. Nor do I know if there were suggestions, etc. Maybe it was to exclude the riff raff of undrafted free agents (Priest Holmes, if memory serves).

But the list isn't about value, so the best 12th pick in the 8th round isn't represented unless he made the HOF (or Madden). And it isn't by draft slot, as both Aikman and Bradshaw (1st Round, #1 pick) are on the list. So I assume its a popularity contest given the plethora of current players or more recent retirees. And guys still on TV.

[Chubbyhubby]

What should the Packers look at when they get on the clock in the 5th round. I'd say lets pick this guy...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2010/draft/players/62716.html

AJ Jefferson as a kick returner.

Biography: Part-time starter the past three seasons who made his mark returning kicks. Defensive totals as a senior included 36 tackles with a 23.2 yard average on 26 kick returns. Junior season averages of 29.3 yard returning kicks after leading the nation as a sophomore with an average of 35.8 yards.

Positives: Athletic prospect solid size and upside potential. Possesses both closing and recovery speed, strong, and packs a punch at the point of attack. Wraps up tackling and brings opposing ball-carriers down on initial contact. Quick flipping his hips and fluid moving in all areas of the field. Explosive kick returner who alters the momentum of games with long returns.

Negatives: Lacks top awareness in coverage, trails opposing receivers, and makes plays after the fact. Struggles to get his head back around and position himself to defend the throw. Stiff pedaling in reverse.

Analysis: Jefferson is a top flight athlete still who needs a lot of polish on his game. He's a devastating kick returner than in could keep on a roster as a ninth defensive back.

Projection: 4-5

What do you think? If we did happened to get him, I'd do back flips!!

[Chubbyhubby]

I'd love to see the Packers pick this guy up as well in the 5th round either one of their picks in the round.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2010/draft/players/51461.html


Biography: Two-year starter who also saw action with the first team as a sophomore. Awarded All-American and All-Conference honors as a senior, while also being named CAA Defensive Player of the Year. Finished his senior season with numbers of 90/23.5/11, leading the team in tackles. Junior numbers included 65/18.5/11.5.

Positives: Explosive college defensive end expected to transition the linebacker in the NFL. Explodes off the snap with a terrific first step, fast off the edge, and shows ability in pursuit. He quickly changes direction, displays speed to the sidelines, and cuts the corner off from running backs. Breaks down well, playing with good knee bend, fast in every direction of the field, and always on balance. Keeps his feet driving up the field and works hard until whistle blows.

Negatives: Undersized and handled by tight ends at the point of attack. Rarely asked to make plays moving in reverse and was able to pin back his ears and rush the quarterback in college.

Analysis: Moats has been one of the better small school pass rushers the past two seasons and has been a disruptive force, consistently blowing up plays in the backfield. He's a pass rush specialist who will be brought onto the field in third-down situations and lined up as either a one-gap defensive end or outside linebacker for an NFL team.

Projection: 4th

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't post much and I don't think anyone knows who I am.

But I jokes before our 2nd round pick that it might be a 3-4 DE...I was right hahah.

I think Colt Mccoy will be the best QB out of this draft.

I like out pick at safety. I trust TT.

I also think Brad Jones will be decent this year, so I am not worried on that department.

But also...don't count out a trade after the draft.

I'm going to the Packers at Skins game this year, holla at me if you are too. I need more tailgate buddies.

And im drunk so dont hate on my typos

I agree with everything here--except on not completely sold on Jones. Rookie season was promising though.

[Gunakor]

Personally, I think Ted is just drafting. If he was "trying" to get the team over the top, I think he'd have taken an OL, or a corner with that 2nd round pick.

He is just drafting Justin.

Neal could be starting this season, depending on Jolly's legal issues and Harrell's injury problem. Any corner left on the board would start the season no higher than nickel back, and depending on Harris' recovery from injury might only see the field in dime situations. From a value perspective, a DE is greater value than CB.

Any OL he'd have drafted would likely start out as the #4 at whatever position they practiced him at. DE was more valuable to our roster than another OL would have been.

For this year anyway.

Looking at it that way, I think the Neal is closer to getting us over the top than any CB would have been - assuming we're trying to get over the top this season. Looking forward to future seasons, however, another OT like Charles Brown might have been better. Didn't see any CB's left on the board that would offer us much more than the young CB's we already have (Pat Lee, Brandon Underwood). The way I saw this draft, if one of the very top CB's fell to us in the second round I'd have been okay with the pick, but I like Lee and Underwood and am anxious to see what those kids can do this year.

[Scott Campbell]

What do you think? If we did happened to get him, I'd do back flips!!


I really want a dedicated kick returner too.

[Gunakor]

I'm not surprised that an OLB wasn't drafted in either of the first two days. I like Brad Jones. I'm probably just as high on this kid as TT and Dom are. That kid can get after the quarterback. I'm surprised that I'm the only one who noticed. I'd have been happy with, say, Jerry Hughes or Sergio Kindle had they been picked. But after those guys were gone there weren't any left on the board that I thought would be a significant upgrade to Jones on that side.

Word has it that Jones bulked up this offseason and has gotten stronger. That does say at least a little about his work ethic and his desire to get better. If he continues to work hard and remains hungry he could be a long term starter for us. I'm ready to see what he can do.

[Scott Campbell]

Analysis: Moats has been one of the better small school pass rushers the past two seasons and has been a disruptive force, consistently blowing up plays in the backfield. He's a pass rush specialist who will be brought onto the field in third-down situations and lined up as either a one-gap defensive end or outside linebacker for an NFL team.

Projection: 4th


Everybody at this point in the draft comes with their share of warts. Without watching him at all, this description makes him sound like a one trick pony ala KGB.

[Scott Campbell]

I agree with everything here--except on not completely sold on Jones. Rookie season was promising though.


If he makes the 2nd season jump that you hope most players make, he'll be more than decent. Imagine if Clay plays better this year.

[swede]

What do you think? If we did happened to get him, I'd do back flips!!


I really want a dedicated kick returner too.

Okay, now we need an ironic play on words emoticon.

[green_bowl_packer]

Kevin Colbert GM of the Steelers said this was especially deep at the OLB position this year, on top of all the other deepness. Sapp, Norwood, Moats are still there - but I have a feeling it'll be none of them, but I'm hoping for Norwood.

Kevin Colbert says Steelers draft priorities haven't changed
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 19, 2010 6:04 PM ET
Don't expect Ben Roethlisberger's impending suspension to change Pittsburgh's draft board.

Speaking with Mark Madden on WXDX in Pittsburgh Monday afternoon, Steelers G.M. Kevin Colbert said that quarterback and tight end were the only positions that weren't priorities for the team.

He said that was true at the beginning of the offseason, and nothing has changed. (Roethlisberger's name was oddly not even mentioned in the interview.)

A lot of folks think the Steelers will take Florida center Maurkice Pouncey, but Colbert said don't be surprised if they moved from the No. 18 overall pick. He estimated there was a 70-75% chance they'd keep the pick, a 5% chance they'd move up, and a greater chance they would move back.

Colbert expects a lot of interest in the pick, especially with such a deep defensive class. He says there are more 300-pound defenders that can run and conversion outside linebacker prospects than any class in memory.

Those are just the prospects a 3-4 defense needs. Unfortunately for long-time 3-4 teams like Pittsburgh and New England, nearly half of the league is now looking for similar players.

[vince]

gilyard off the board right from the get-go.

[Fosco33]

Steve, watch these... Trindon Holliday is unbelievable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt-KZ4VwPkk&feature=PlayList&p=7E913F23A5C84708&playnext_from=PL&playnext=2&index=13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YgGylLHmq4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlYgAUH7zfI

He would be a great threat in our return game. We could also probably get him very late too since he would be a specialist in the return game.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/trindon-holliday?id=497218#tabs:tab-analysis

I'll tell you the guy is fearless. Look how Devin Hester put fear into the entire NFL when he was a rookie. (By the way, I really, really, really wanted the Packers to draft Hester that year too.) A dependable returner like Desmond Howard and Hester are worth their weight in gold.

Sorely needed and missing for years. If Blackmon hadn't become a perennial injury jag - we wouldn't be discussing this guy.

[Lurker64]

And Everson Griffen goes to the Vikings to the shown up by Clay Matthews once again ;)

[Maxie the Taxi]

Steve, watch these... Trindon Holliday is unbelievable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt-KZ4VwPkk&feature=PlayList&p=7E913F23A5C84708&playnext_from=PL&playnext=2&index=13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YgGylLHmq4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlYgAUH7zfI

He would be a great threat in our return game. We could also probably get him very late too since he would be a specialist in the return game.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/trindon-holliday?id=497218#tabs:tab-analysis

I'll tell you the guy is fearless. Look how Devin Hester put fear into the entire NFL when he was a rookie. (By the way, I really, really, really wanted the Packers to draft Hester that year too.) A dependable returner like Desmond Howard and Hester are worth their weight in gold.

Sorely needed and missing for years. If Blackmon hadn't become a perennial injury jag - we wouldn't be discussing this guy.

Personally, I think we can afford to have a position on the roster dedicated to -- I don't know -- call it the "rocket" position or something. A guy that can come in like Harvin does for the Vikes and light things up. This guy should double as our "exclusive" kick and run return specialist. We get a dynamic guy back there, then Blackmon and Jordy can go back to justifying their position on the roster with what they are supposed to be doing best.

[green_bowl_packer]

The rumor was that Pete Carroll was spreading the "turd word" on Everson that's why the first round grade is getting snatched in the fourth.

Way to go Queens!!! Raise the Love Boat!!!

[Brando19]

The rumor was that Pete Carroll was spreading the "turd word" on Everson that's why the first round grade is getting snatched in the fourth.

Way to go Queens!!! Raise the Love Boat!!!

Hmm...Pete Carroll seems to be "betraying" his former pupils. First Taylor Mays, now Everson. Watch out Seattle.

[green_bowl_packer]

Mike Williams - WR - Syracuse to TB He was a GB visit.

[green_bowl_packer]

The rumor was that Pete Carroll was spreading the "turd word" on Everson that's why the first round grade is getting snatched in the fourth.

Way to go Queens!!! Raise the Love Boat!!!

Hmm...Pete Carroll seems to be "betraying" his former pupils. First Taylor Mays, now Everson. Watch out Seattle.

Not LenWhale!

[Brando19]

The rumor was that Pete Carroll was spreading the "turd word" on Everson that's why the first round grade is getting snatched in the fourth.

Way to go Queens!!! Raise the Love Boat!!!

Hmm...Pete Carroll seems to be "betraying" his former pupils. First Taylor Mays, now Everson. Watch out Seattle.

Not LenWhale!

Holy crap...Lendale was just traded to Seattle. I didn't know what you meant at first, then ESPN posted it.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Al Davis finally has his way. :)

[Lurker64]

Al Davis finally has his way. :)

You can't really rip him for the pick. This is about where Campbell should go.

[vince]

Al nabbed Veldheer yesterday too didn't he? Boy if they both pan out, that would make for a couple bookends down the road.

[green_bowl_packer]

The Campbell broad jump clip was kind of freaky looked like he wasn't even trying.

Bears up in a few, they just got skunked on two WR's easley and jacoby ford. Good for us.

Carlton Mitchell? 6'3" 215 WR USF???

[Brohm]

Morrison traded.

[Lurker64]

With the Raiders taking Bruce Campbell and Jacoby Ford today, it's pretty clear that Al Davis has awoken from his torpor. I think maybe his Scouts pulled one over on him and told him that the Draft started on Saturday.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Corey Wootton is a nice pick for the Bears. :( Could turn out to be a sleeper.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Man some hyped RB's are still available. Oops. Jets just took one.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Belicek strikes. Another target for Tom Brady.

[green_bowl_packer]

Belicek strikes. Another target for Tom Brady.

NE are going to clean up today

[Bretsky]

GUYS I'D LOVE

Eric Norwood
O'Brien Schofield
Holliday (you sold me)
the Zoltan


OK, got a trade idea
We're going to have an extra 4th next year for Kampman

Let's trade a 4th next year and our 6th to move up and draft the best pass rushing OLB (I think that's Norwood) left

In the 5th we draft Schofield or a Return Specialist

In the 7th we draft the Zoltan

[RashanGary]

Crap, my corners are gone. Verner, Lindy and Thurmond were all good bets to be nickle backs at worst and really good starting cover corners at best.

[Bretsky]

Belicek strikes. Another target for Tom Brady.


Great organization

[Maxie the Taxi]

Belicek strikes. Another target for Tom Brady.

NE are going to clean up today

Yeah, there's gold in that thar 7th round and, by God, Belicek's gonna find it!

[green_bowl_packer]

Was that Ray Barone announcing the Giants pick?

[RashanGary]

I don't know how bad Perrish Cox' character concern is, but damn, just talent, he'd be a great fit for us.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Crap, my corners are gone. Verner, Lindy and Thurmond were all good bets to be nickle backs at worst and really good starting cover corners at best.

My question is: Are any of these guys that much better than Lee and Underwood? Maybe marginally better or the same as Bush?

[vince]

Pittsburgh stockpiling OLB's. Worilds and now Gibson.

[RashanGary]

Pittsburgh stockpiling OLB's. Worilds and now Gibson.

Vince, haha. You're really worried about that OLB, huh?

We have the best young 3-4 OLB in the game maybe and another 23 year old that came in as a rookie and looked like a legit NFL starter. We added pass rush on the DL and just the rest he'll provide for the other lineman will make them better pass rushers too.

I would have liked another OLB too, but you're ignoring how well Jones and Matthews played. Our starting OLB's are pretty good.

[Bretsky]

Crap, my corners are gone. Verner, Lindy and Thurmond were all good bets to be nickle backs at worst and really good starting cover corners at best.

My question is: Are any of these guys that much better than Lee and Underwood? Maybe marginally better or the same as Bush?


All better than Bush IMO; Bush is very limited upside. Wish he were a Titan

I have no idea about Lee; but he's stunk so far even when he has been healthy...for that short time. Underwood..have hopes for him to develop.

[Bretsky]

Pittsburgh stockpiling OLB's. Worilds and now Gibson.

Vince, haha. You're really worried about that OLB, huh?

We have the best young 3-4 OLB in the game maybe and another 23 year old that came in as a rookie and looked like a legit NFL starter. We added pass rush on the DL and just the rest he'll provide for the other lineman will make them better pass rushers too.

I would have liked another OLB too, but you're ignoring how well Jones and Matthews played. Our starting OLB's are pretty good.


Jones seemed to fade at end of season; he started far better than he ended IMO

[Maxie the Taxi]

At some point in this draft -- don't exactly know where it is -- the chances of an undrafted player being as good as a drafted one is reached.

[Bretsky]

LOTS of talent left....NE on dam board again

[RashanGary]

Woodson is old and Harris isn't even guaranteed to be able to ever play again, let alone play well. Oh and he's old too.

Having prospects and having prospects that have actually shown something are two different things. At WR, we' have prospects that have shown something. At CB, we have prospects that have failed with every chance, although injury plays a part in that too.

[ND72]

some of these trades are interesting today....

Garrett Graham going to Houston? nice!

[Gunakor]

Crap, my corners are gone. Verner, Lindy and Thurmond were all good bets to be nickle backs at worst and really good starting cover corners at best.

My question is: Are any of these guys that much better than Lee and Underwood? Maybe marginally better or the same as Bush?


All better than Bush IMO; Bush is very limited upside. Wish he were a Titan

I have no idea about Lee; but he's stunk so far even when he has been healthy...for that short time. Underwood..have hopes for him to develop.

You mean that 2 weeks during Lee's rookie season he didn't look great? Cause I didn't see him healthy and on the field at all last year. While he hasn't been on the field I have to assume he was in attendance in the classroom. I think he'll be alright.

[vince]

Pittsburgh stockpiling OLB's. Worilds and now Gibson.

Vince, haha. You're really worried about that OLB, huh?

We have the best young 3-4 OLB in the game maybe and another 23 year old that came in as a rookie and looked like a legit NFL starter. We added pass rush on the DL and just the rest he'll provide for the other lineman will make them better pass rushers too.

I would have liked another OLB too, but you're ignoring how well Jones and Matthews played. Our starting OLB's are pretty good.
Yeah. I think it's our biggest weakness right now. The problem with our db's in the big games had a lot to do with not getting to the QB's. Jones is fine, but he's not a good enough pass rusher to keep other teams from sliding protection over to Matthews. If teams can scheme to stop Matthews, they cause our defense serious problems through the air.

[Bretsky]

Woodson is old and Harris isn't even guaranteed to be able to ever play again, let alone play well. Oh and he's old too.

Having prospects and having prospects that have actually shown something are two different things. At WR, we' have prospects that have shown something. At CB, we have prospects that have failed with every chance, although injury plays a part in that too.


I'd be pretty surprised if Harris at least isn't a solid #3 there. If you rehab the ACL it normally won't end a career of a lighter player. I'm fine with stockpiling the secondary too but I'd much rather have a pass rushign specialist. Then they don't have to cover as long :lol:

[Maxie the Taxi]

Yeah, but the problem is, when we drafted Lee and Underwood everyone was high on them, as high as we are on some of the CB's in this draft. If Lee and Underwood haven't had enough playing time or have been hurt, who's to say this year's crop -- especially in the later rounds -- are better than what we've got (Bush excepted)?

[Bretsky]

some of these trades are interesting today....

Garrett Graham going to Houston? nice!


That's awesome. Two TE's from WI there now

[Fritz]

And Belichek also traded his third to the Panthers, I think - for their second next year. He's deft at stockpiling picks and rolling them into better picks the following year. It's the one thing TT has not quite gotten to - yet.

People on this board have also commented on how damn many picks he has and how maddening it is to have NE picking all the time and stockpiling talent. But it wasn't too long ago that there was a lot of derision of TT for trading down and stockpiling picks. Lots of barbs about TT loving 7th round picks more than anything else. This year Belichek has a load of seventh rounders and many people seem envious.

Weird how the grass often seems greener on the other side.

I wonder how badly TT wishes he had a pick in the 4th. Or if he just goes off and takes a nap until the beginning of the 5th round.

[Gunakor]

Woodson is old and Harris isn't even guaranteed to be able to ever play again, let alone play well. Oh and he's old too.

Having prospects and having prospects that have actually shown something are two different things. At WR, we' have prospects that have shown something. At CB, we have prospects that have failed with every chance, although injury plays a part in that too.

Woodson looked like he was 25 last year. He's got plenty left in his tank. T-Will is poised to take over for Harris. The questions are at the nickel and dime back positions. I think, even if we don't draft anybody at CB this year, we still have enough talent at corner to take most teams top 2 WR's out of the equation. Our CB prospects haven't run out of time to show something yet. Though I agree, the sand in the top half of that hourglass is running low.

[Maxie the Taxi]

And Belichek also traded his third to the Panthers, I think - for their second next year. He's deft at stockpiling picks and rolling them into better picks the following year. It's the one thing TT has not quite gotten to - yet.

People on this board have also commented on how damn many picks he has and how maddening it is to have NE picking all the time and stockpiling talent. But it wasn't too long ago that there was a lot of derision of TT for trading down and stockpiling picks. Lots of barbs about TT loving 7th round picks more than anything else. This year Belichek has a load of seventh rounders and many people seem envious.

Weird how the grass often seems greener on the other side.

I wonder how badly TT wishes he had a pick in the 4th. Or if he just goes off and takes a nap until the beginning of the 5th round.

That was Sherman's strategy, if I recall. :)

[ND72]

I will not be surprised to see Teddy move down with our 5th or 6th to try to grab a few more picks....yet I won't be surprised if we stay pat and take what we got. I'm not sure how many open spots we truly have on our roster right now. If we end up with say 8 guys, do 8 guys even have a chance to make the team as opposed to 6 guys?

[Fritz]

And Belichek also traded his third to the Panthers, I think - for their second next year. He's deft at stockpiling picks and rolling them into better picks the following year. It's the one thing TT has not quite gotten to - yet.

People on this board have also commented on how damn many picks he has and how maddening it is to have NE picking all the time and stockpiling talent. But it wasn't too long ago that there was a lot of derision of TT for trading down and stockpiling picks. Lots of barbs about TT loving 7th round picks more than anything else. This year Belichek has a load of seventh rounders and many people seem envious.

Weird how the grass often seems greener on the other side.

I wonder how badly TT wishes he had a pick in the 4th. Or if he just goes off and takes a nap until the beginning of the 5th round.

That was Sherman's strategy, if I recall. :)

I think that was only at the combine...he was wide awake for the draft. Trading up to get the Beej in the third round. Snagging Ahmad Carroll.

Though to his credit he drafted Barnett and Kampman and some others who had talent.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I will not be surprised to see Teddy move down with our 5th or 6th to try to grab a few more picks....yet I won't be surprised if we stay pat and take what we got. I'm not sure how many open spots we truly have on our roster right now. If we end up with say 8 guys, do 8 guys even have a chance to make the team as opposed to 6 guys?

I think that in this draft, quality is better than quantity. Just my opinion. He'll stand pat.

[Sparkey]

I will not be surprised to see Teddy move down with our 5th or 6th to try to grab a few more picks....yet I won't be surprised if we stay pat and take what we got. I'm not sure how many open spots we truly have on our roster right now. If we end up with say 8 guys, do 8 guys even have a chance to make the team as opposed to 6 guys?

TT alluded to that in an interview yesterday where he commented that the board was getting soft. Meaning they were reaching a point where a lot of the players on the board were no better than what they already had on the roster.

That is why he traded up to get Morgan Burnett. That was late third round already, so looking at the fifth round, it should be fairly weak, except maybe for ST players and guys that are graded low due to an injury.

[Fritz]

I think there are openings in the following places:

DE
OLB
CB
S
RB
TE
P
QB

So I'd say there are eight openings on this team, yes. A third QB, someone to take Montgomery's spot, Poppinga's spot, Bush's spot, 4th safety spot, Ahman Green's spot, Krapinos's spot, and someone to duke it out with Donald Lee.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I will not be surprised to see Teddy move down with our 5th or 6th to try to grab a few more picks....yet I won't be surprised if we stay pat and take what we got. I'm not sure how many open spots we truly have on our roster right now. If we end up with say 8 guys, do 8 guys even have a chance to make the team as opposed to 6 guys?

TT alluded to that in an interview yesterday where he commented that the board was getting soft. Meaning they were reaching a point where a lot of the players on the board were no better than what they already had on the roster.

That is why he traded up to get Morgan Burnett. That was late third round already, so looking at the fifth round, it should be fairly week, except maybe for ST players and guys that are graded low due to an injury.

Agreed. If there's a ST player he wants (Example: Holliday), he may try to trade. But the lower you go in the draft, who's gonna trade with you (except maybe Belicek who, I think, is trying to draft the entire 7th round for himself).

[Sparkey]

Eagles pick Kafka from Northwestern. Great pick at this point in the draft.

[Maxie the Taxi]

And Belichek also traded his third to the Panthers, I think - for their second next year. He's deft at stockpiling picks and rolling them into better picks the following year. It's the one thing TT has not quite gotten to - yet.

People on this board have also commented on how damn many picks he has and how maddening it is to have NE picking all the time and stockpiling talent. But it wasn't too long ago that there was a lot of derision of TT for trading down and stockpiling picks. Lots of barbs about TT loving 7th round picks more than anything else. This year Belichek has a load of seventh rounders and many people seem envious.

Weird how the grass often seems greener on the other side.

I wonder how badly TT wishes he had a pick in the 4th. Or if he just goes off and takes a nap until the beginning of the 5th round.

Fritz, I think the general consensus among GM's (maybe with the exception of Belicek) is that next year's draft is way worse talent-wise than this year's.

[ND72]

I think there are openings in the following places:

DE
OLB
CB
S
RB
TE
P
QB

So I'd say there are eight openings on this team, yes. A third QB, someone to take Montgomery's spot, Poppinga's spot, Bush's spot, 4th safety spot, Ahman Green's spot, Krapinos's spot, and someone to duke it out with Donald Lee.

I agree with some of that...with the 4 picks we have left, I would not be surprised to see any of these: OLB, QB, RB, TE, CB, or maybe OL.

[Fritz]

Franz Kafka? That dude has some serious personal issues. Self-loathing. Daddy issues.

I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Add to Fritz's list Special Teams! God they were awful last year. Don't forget about that. A dependable, dynamic punt/kick returner is a #1 need.

[green_bowl_packer]

And Belichek also traded his third to the Panthers, I think - for their second next year. He's deft at stockpiling picks and rolling them into better picks the following year. It's the one thing TT has not quite gotten to - yet.

People on this board have also commented on how damn many picks he has and how maddening it is to have NE picking all the time and stockpiling talent. But it wasn't too long ago that there was a lot of derision of TT for trading down and stockpiling picks. Lots of barbs about TT loving 7th round picks more than anything else. This year Belichek has a load of seventh rounders and many people seem envious.

Weird how the grass often seems greener on the other side.

I wonder how badly TT wishes he had a pick in the 4th. Or if he just goes off and takes a nap until the beginning of the 5th round.

Maxi mentioned above that there will be a point where the undrafted guys will have as good as a chance as the drafted guys. Chances are BB knows where this line is, he's got the ammo to cross the line if he wants or not have to fight for guys as UDFA's. He gets the rights to fringe guys he wants with 7s, and fights for more guys as UDFA's. Picks are currency this weekend as BB is rich as hell. Picks gives you options.

The thing is they are always competitive and picking in the 20s, that's where we are now, hopefully we've arrived. The thing is they always have that extra 1st or 2nd round pick that gives them the built in edge to do what they do every year. They picks are currency they use those, extra's pay off with interest. Give TT an extra 1st or 2nd and he's pulling off the same moves.

[Sparkey]

Franz Kafka? That dude has some serious personal issues. Self-loathing. Daddy issues.

I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

Mike Kafka, the QB.


edit: Never read any of Franz's work.

[green_bowl_packer]

Franz Kafka? That dude has some serious personal issues. Self-loathing. Daddy issues.

I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

HIYOOOO ':lol:'


http://www.hiyoooo.com/

[Sparkey]

Norwood just went to Carolina

[Lurker64]

Crap, there goes Norwood. I guess it was kind of pipe dream that he'd fall to the late fifth though.

[Maxie the Taxi]

We also need a new Special Teams coach. Can we draft one today?

[ND72]

We also need a new Special Teams coach. Can we draft one today?

I was the special teams coach last year for my school....3 Kick Returns for Touchdowns...can I apply? I was just laid off from here anyway!

[packers11]

pick 126...

we have 154 / 169 (5th rounders)... should be picking in 30 minutes or so...

[Maxie the Taxi]

We also need a new Special Teams coach. Can we draft one today?

I was the special teams coach last year for my school....3 Kick Returns for Touchdowns...can I apply? I was just laid off from here anyway!

Well, were those three TD's scored by your team or by your opponent?

Then I'll decide. :)

[imscott72]

I will not be surprised to see Teddy move down with our 5th or 6th to try to grab a few more picks....yet I won't be surprised if we stay pat and take what we got. I'm not sure how many open spots we truly have on our roster right now. If we end up with say 8 guys, do 8 guys even have a chance to make the team as opposed to 6 guys?

that's why I don't think he trades down. Just not enough openings, and why draft kids who aren't going to make it anyway.

[Bretsky]

Down goes Norwood; does TT have the type of patience to draft a guy who was projected round 2-3 before he tore his his ACL ?

[Lurker64]

pick 126...

we have 154 / 169 (5th rounders)... should be picking in 30 minutes or so...

Getting near the point that it may be worth sending out feelers to trade up for Ricky Sapp.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Sorry to hear about the lay-off, by the way. As they say, it's an opportunity.

[ND72]

We also need a new Special Teams coach. Can we draft one today?

I was the special teams coach last year for my school....3 Kick Returns for Touchdowns...can I apply? I was just laid off from here anyway!

Well, were those three TD's scored by your team or by your opponent?

Then I'll decide. :)

My team, gave up only 1 PR for a touchdown, and I still blame that on our head coach. we scored 28 special teams points out of 35 points scored in 2 games this year....of course, it helps when you have like 8 kick returns a game... :lol:

[Bretsky]

pick 126...

we have 154 / 169 (5th rounders)... should be picking in 30 minutes or so...

Getting near the point that it may be worth sending out feelers to trade up for Ricky Sapp.


Wait, didn't we trade one of those 5th rounders ?

[imscott72]

pick 126...

we have 154 / 169 (5th rounders)... should be picking in 30 minutes or so...

Getting near the point that it may be worth sending out feelers to trade up for Ricky Sapp.

This is what some are saying about Sapp. How's his work ethic?

His biggest problem is strength. Sapp is extremely under developed physically and that is a big factor in his lack of flashy stats. Once a lineman locks him up, he’s generally done. He just doesn’t have the strength to fight through the block on a consistent basis. Playing off the line at LB will mitigate this to a degree but the team that drafts him will need to get him dedicated in the weight room and adding strength without diminishing his speed. He will get run over by bigger backs with a head of steam and he allows strong runners to break tackles as he is not a heavy hitter, yet. Sapp is still a bit raw and a move to LB will require some adjustment time.

Sapp’s skill set will be very intriguing for a 3-4 team early in the first round, especially for teams like the 49ers, who have multiple picks, or the Broncos, who luck into a high draft pick thanks to Seattle and can afford to develop him. Someone will see the potential in him. It’s just a matter of mining it out of him.

[Bossman641]

I think there are openings in the following places:

DE
OLB
CB
S
RB
TE
P
QB

So I'd say there are eight openings on this team, yes. A third QB, someone to take Montgomery's spot, Poppinga's spot, Bush's spot, 4th safety spot, Ahman Green's spot, Krapinos's spot, and someone to duke it out with Donald Lee.

The vikings signed Montgomery...thankfully

[Sparkey]

pick 126...

we have 154 / 169 (5th rounders)... should be picking in 30 minutes or so...

Getting near the point that it may be worth sending out feelers to trade up for Ricky Sapp.


Wait, didn't we trade one of those 5th rounders ?

No, we gave up our 4th.

5-154
5-169 (compensatory selection)
6-193
7-230

[Sparkey]

Dallas just took AOA

[Maxie the Taxi]

I think there are openings in the following places:

DE
OLB
CB
S
RB
TE
P
QB

So I'd say there are eight openings on this team, yes. A third QB, someone to take Montgomery's spot, Poppinga's spot, Bush's spot, 4th safety spot, Ahman Green's spot, Krapinos's spot, and someone to duke it out with Donald Lee.

The vikings signed Montgomery...thankfully

They'll keep him just long enough to pick his brain (?), then release him.

[Fritz]

We also need a new Special Teams coach. Can we draft one today?

I was the special teams coach last year for my school....3 Kick Returns for Touchdowns...can I apply? I was just laid off from here anyway!

Well, were those three TD's scored by your team or by your opponent?

Then I'll decide. :)

My team, gave up only 1 PR for a touchdown, and I still blame that on our head coach. we scored 28 special teams points out of 35 points scored in 2 games this year....of course, it helps when you have like 8 kick returns a game... :lol:

You have the gig but only if you hire Vince to assist.

Sincerely,
Ted

[Maxie the Taxi]

Dallas just took AOA

Dallas has had an interesting draft. Boom or bust with a hoodlum or two thrown in.

[RashanGary]

I could picture us trading up again for either a corner or OLB.

[Fritz]

Dallas just took AOA

Dallas has had an interesting draft. Boom or bust with a hoodlum or two thrown in.

It's not a Dallas draft if there's not at least one character risk guy in there.

Speaking of that, how's Oakland doing in that department this year?

[packers11]

Dallas just took AOA

Dallas has had an interesting draft. Boom or bust with a hoodlum or two thrown in.

It's not a Dallas draft if there's not at least one character risk guy in there.

Speaking of that, how's Oakland doing in that department this year?

Al Davis got the fastest guy in the combine (ford) and arguably the biggest combine freak for lineman (Campbell) ... Al Davis is still in charge :lol:

[Maxie the Taxi]

And Belichek also traded his third to the Panthers, I think - for their second next year. He's deft at stockpiling picks and rolling them into better picks the following year. It's the one thing TT has not quite gotten to - yet.

People on this board have also commented on how damn many picks he has and how maddening it is to have NE picking all the time and stockpiling talent. But it wasn't too long ago that there was a lot of derision of TT for trading down and stockpiling picks. Lots of barbs about TT loving 7th round picks more than anything else. This year Belichek has a load of seventh rounders and many people seem envious.

Weird how the grass often seems greener on the other side.

I wonder how badly TT wishes he had a pick in the 4th. Or if he just goes off and takes a nap until the beginning of the 5th round.

Maxi mentioned above that there will be a point where the undrafted guys will have as good as a chance as the drafted guys. Chances are BB knows where this line is, he's got the ammo to cross the line if he wants or not have to fight for guys as UDFA's. He gets the rights to fringe guys he wants with 7s, and fights for more guys as UDFA's. Picks are currency this weekend as BB is rich as hell. Picks gives you options.

The thing is they are always competitive and picking in the 20s, that's where we are now, hopefully we've arrived. The thing is they always have that extra 1st or 2nd round pick that gives them the built in edge to do what they do every year. They picks are currency they use those, extra's pay off with interest. Give TT an extra 1st or 2nd and he's pulling off the same moves.

Go to the NFL Draft Tracker. They've got Grades listed. When all the 7.0 grades and higher are taken, we've reached the line -- more or less. Some high 6's might be marginal.

[Lurker64]

This is what some are saying about Sapp. How's his work ethic?


His work ethic is average. Nothing you're excited about, but nothing really terrible either. The real problem is his knee. He got it surgically repaired, and a good job wasn't done so he's an ACL waiting to happen.

But he's a hell of a pass rusher from a 2 point stance, useless from a 3-point stance.

[Brohm]

Cards get Schofield

[Maxie the Taxi]

Schofield is gone.

[imscott72]

Cardinals take Schofield..

[Fritz]

Ah. Good point. Good ol' Al. He probably has the All-Time Greatest-Combine-Numbers-Ever team. He could win that trophy every year.

[packers11]

Sapp be a 3-4 OLB? correct?

[RashanGary]

Jushua Moore, Perrish Cox, Arthur Moats. . . .

[imscott72]

I think Schofield is a steal this late. Yes he might have to start the season on the PUP, but a helluva rusher for a 4th rounder.

[imscott72]

Sapp be a 3-4 OLB? correct?

Correct..

[mission]

Sapp be a 3-4 OLB? correct?

Passing downs only, but yes. That's his position.

Can't play the run at all. Barnett had nothing on his "dragdowns" :P

[RashanGary]

Football Outsiders had an article talking about Ricky Sapp having really poor lateral agility. Athletically, he only really fits at DE and if he plays DE, he's tiny and has no chance of playing the run. He's essentially a pass rush specialist in the NFL and he wasn't even overly productive at that in college.

Just not a great player.

[imscott72]

Positions TT has hit the most in the 5th..

OT 4, WR 3, FB 2..

[Fritz]

Schofield off the board, end of fourth. Wisconsin fans' boners deflating.

He'll be on the DL for this year, right? Is that the idea? Or just the PUP?

[mission]

I want Parrish Cox. We have room for one character question in this draft. Guy is electric!

Plus I'll win my $20 bet about Bush not making the roster this year.

[Bretsky]

Schofield off the board, end of fourth. Wisconsin fans' boners deflating.

He'll be on the DL for this year, right? Is that the idea? Or just the PUP?


DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT

[Brando19]

We need that punter from Michigan. Hopefully he's still there in the 6th round.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Guys left with Grades at or near 7.0


Franks, Dominique, CB, 7.4
Warren, Donovan,CB, 7.0
Cox, Perrish, CB, 6.9

Dwyer, Jonathan, RB, 7.1

Briscoe, Dezmon, WR, 7.8
Mitchell, Carlton, WR, 7.1
Cooper, Riley, WR, 6.8

Dickerson, Dorin, TE, 7.7
McCoy, Anthony, TE, 7.7

Sapp, Ricky, DE, 7.5
Thomas, Cam, DT, 7.2

[mission]

We need that punter from Michigan. Hopefully he's still there in the 6th round.

down for that

[packers11]

Guys left with Grades at or near 7.0


Franks, Dominique, CB, 7.4
Warren, Donovan,CB, 7.0
Cox, Perrish, CB, 6.9

Dwyer, Jonathan, RB, 7.1

Briscoe, Dezmon, WR, 7.8
Mitchell, Carlton, WR, 7.1
Cooper, Riley, WR, 6.8

Dickerson, Dorin, TE, 7.7
McCoy, Anthony, TE, 7.7

Sapp, Ricky, DE, 7.5
Thomas, Cam, DT, 7.2

Dwyer is to slow... No on any WR's right now... I want Sapp or any of the corners (Don't know much about those three)

[imscott72]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Eagles take Sapp!! :cry: :cry:

[pittstang5]

sapp gone

[Maxie the Taxi]

"With the 138th choice in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select:

Arnold Schwazenegger, GOV, California."

[Tony Oday]

LenDale White is a Seachicken

[Maxie the Taxi]

Guys left with Grades at or near 7.0

UPDATED...

Franks, Dominique, CB, 7.4
Warren, Donovan,CB, 7.0
Cox, Perrish, CB, 6.9

Dwyer, Jonathan, RB, 7.1

Briscoe, Dezmon, WR, 7.8
Mitchell, Carlton, WR, 7.1
Cooper, Riley, WR, 6.8

Dickerson, Dorin, TE, 7.7
McCoy, Anthony, TE, 7.7


Thomas, Cam, DT, 7.2

[Maxie the Taxi]

Guys left with Grades at or near 7.0

UPDATED...


Warren, Donovan,CB, 7.0
Cox, Perrish, CB, 6.9

Dwyer, Jonathan, RB, 7.1

Briscoe, Dezmon, WR, 7.8
Mitchell, Carlton, WR, 7.1
Cooper, Riley, WR, 6.8

Dickerson, Dorin, TE, 7.7
McCoy, Anthony, TE, 7.7


Thomas, Cam, DT, 7.2

[Lurker64]

Eagles keep taking guys I like... bastards.

[green_bowl_packer]

And Belichek also traded his third to the Panthers, I think - for their second next year. He's deft at stockpiling picks and rolling them into better picks the following year. It's the one thing TT has not quite gotten to - yet.

People on this board have also commented on how damn many picks he has and how maddening it is to have NE picking all the time and stockpiling talent. But it wasn't too long ago that there was a lot of derision of TT for trading down and stockpiling picks. Lots of barbs about TT loving 7th round picks more than anything else. This year Belichek has a load of seventh rounders and many people seem envious.

Weird how the grass often seems greener on the other side.

I wonder how badly TT wishes he had a pick in the 4th. Or if he just goes off and takes a nap until the beginning of the 5th round.

Maxi mentioned above that there will be a point where the undrafted guys will have as good as a chance as the drafted guys. Chances are BB knows where this line is, he's got the ammo to cross the line if he wants or not have to fight for guys as UDFA's. He gets the rights to fringe guys he wants with 7s, and fights for more guys as UDFA's. Picks are currency this weekend as BB is rich as hell. Picks gives you options.

The thing is they are always competitive and picking in the 20s, that's where we are now, hopefully we've arrived. The thing is they always have that extra 1st or 2nd round pick that gives them the built in edge to do what they do every year. They picks are currency they use those, extra's pay off with interest. Give TT an extra 1st or 2nd and he's pulling off the same moves.

Go to the NFL Draft Tracker. They've got Grades listed. When all the 7.0 grades and higher are taken, we've reached the line -- more or less. Some high 6's might be marginal.

Good point, I see what you're saying. I don't think I know, how deep, a deep draft is - with what I've been reading and hearing, I'm thinking deep goes into the 5th. This kind of confirmed a feeling I had a third of the way into the 3rd, where the picks were getting less familiar.

BTW is the nfl.com draft tracker working for anyone? I don't see any updates, on there draft tracker after the 3rd round or on the best players available. Pretty shabby.

[packers11]

Guys left with Grades at or near 7.0

UPDATED...


Warren, Donovan,CB, 7.0
Cox, Perrish, CB, 6.9

Dwyer, Jonathan, RB, 7.1

Briscoe, Dezmon, WR, 7.8
Mitchell, Carlton, WR, 7.1
Cooper, Riley, WR, 6.8

Dickerson, Dorin, TE, 7.7
McCoy, Anthony, TE, 7.7


Thomas, Cam, DT, 7.2

can you put some OLB? (in the 3-4)

The top three on SI are :

some 3-4 OLB left (pass rushing) :

SI Big board :

Rahim Alem
Arthur Moats
Justin Cole

[Maxie the Taxi]

Guys left with Grades at or near 7.0

UPDATED...


Warren, Donovan,CB, 7.0
Cox, Perrish, CB, 6.9

Dwyer, Jonathan, RB, 7.1

Briscoe, Dezmon, WR, 7.8
Mitchell, Carlton, WR, 7.1
Cooper, Riley, WR, 6.8

Dickerson, Dorin, TE, 7.7
McCoy, Anthony, TE, 7.7


Thomas, Cam, DT, 7.2

can you put some OLB? (in the 3-4)

The top three on SI are :

some 3-4 OLB left (pass rushing) :

SI Big board :

Rahim Alem
Arthur Moats
Justin Cole

Highest rated LB left is Cole at 5.0 only.

[imscott72]

And Belichek also traded his third to the Panthers, I think - for their second next year. He's deft at stockpiling picks and rolling them into better picks the following year. It's the one thing TT has not quite gotten to - yet.

People on this board have also commented on how damn many picks he has and how maddening it is to have NE picking all the time and stockpiling talent. But it wasn't too long ago that there was a lot of derision of TT for trading down and stockpiling picks. Lots of barbs about TT loving 7th round picks more than anything else. This year Belichek has a load of seventh rounders and many people seem envious.

Weird how the grass often seems greener on the other side.

I wonder how badly TT wishes he had a pick in the 4th. Or if he just goes off and takes a nap until the beginning of the 5th round.

Maxi mentioned above that there will be a point where the undrafted guys will have as good as a chance as the drafted guys. Chances are BB knows where this line is, he's got the ammo to cross the line if he wants or not have to fight for guys as UDFA's. He gets the rights to fringe guys he wants with 7s, and fights for more guys as UDFA's. Picks are currency this weekend as BB is rich as hell. Picks gives you options.

The thing is they are always competitive and picking in the 20s, that's where we are now, hopefully we've arrived. The thing is they always have that extra 1st or 2nd round pick that gives them the built in edge to do what they do every year. They picks are currency they use those, extra's pay off with interest. Give TT an extra 1st or 2nd and he's pulling off the same moves.

Go to the NFL Draft Tracker. They've got Grades listed. When all the 7.0 grades and higher are taken, we've reached the line -- more or less. Some high 6's might be marginal.

Good point, I see what you're saying. I don't think I know, how deep, a deep draft is - with what I've been reading and hearing, I'm thinking deep goes into the 5th. This kind of confirmed a feeling I had a third of the way into the 3rd, where the picks were getting less familiar.

BTW is the nfl.com draft tracker working for anyone? I don't see any updates, on there draft tracker after the 3rd round or on the best players available. Pretty shabby.

Yea looks like nfl.com has given up tracking picks..

[Maxie the Taxi]

Kendrick Lewis was just taken out of Mississippi. He's a FS with a Grade of only 3.4. They're starting to reach big time.

[Bretsky]

Guys left with Grades at or near 7.0

UPDATED...


Warren, Donovan,CB, 7.0
Cox, Perrish, CB, 6.9

Dwyer, Jonathan, RB, 7.1

Briscoe, Dezmon, WR, 7.8
Mitchell, Carlton, WR, 7.1
Cooper, Riley, WR, 6.8

Dickerson, Dorin, TE, 7.7
McCoy, Anthony, TE, 7.7


Thomas, Cam, DT, 7.2

can you put some OLB? (in the 3-4)

The top three on SI are :

some 3-4 OLB left (pass rushing) :

SI Big board :

Rahim Alem
Arthur Moats
Justin Cole

Highest rated LB left is Cole at 5.0 only.


Ya, I don't see much left there either.....

Adam Schefter just noted one team had a 1st round draft grade on him before the ACL tear

[Maxie the Taxi]

Draft Tracker is still working for me. Right up to the second too.

[Lurker64]

Frak... there goes Cox.

[Bretsky]

NFL talking about Packers and Westbrook

Apparently he's on his way to visit the Rams also

Rams and Packers sound like top two contenders for him

[imscott72]

There goes Cox..

[green_bowl_packer]

NFLN - is saying that the Rams are making a play for Westbrook, bringing him in and giving him a physical.

Makes me think this was never for real. If he had a choice, and we haven't even selected an RB. (didn't see Bretsky above - I'm multi-tasking)

[Bretsky]

The quality players are dropping like flies now :!:

Perrish Cox............GONE

DAMMIT

[Maxie the Taxi]

Guys left with Grades at or near 7.0

UPDATED...


Warren, Donovan,CB, 7.0


Dwyer, Jonathan, RB, 7.1

Briscoe, Dezmon, WR, 7.8
Mitchell, Carlton, WR, 7.1
Cooper, Riley, WR, 6.8

Dickerson, Dorin, TE, 7.7
McCoy, Anthony, TE, 7.7


Thomas, Cam, DT, 7.2

[mission]

damn... warren ?

[pittstang5]

Damn it all! Franks now Cox. Trading up for Burnett is screwing us for decent CBs left.

[OS PA]

Looks like I am up in time to watch the Packers picks this round! I'm excited for the slew of emotions that it is about to follow.

What the fuck Ted? We don't need a __________! But ____________ was still available!!! Why the hell didn't we address the ______________ position? I guess that _____________ could end up being a player. Oh we really do need depth there. Oh wow, this kid did _________ and _________! This kid could be great!

[Bretsky]

Looks like I am up in time to watch the Packers picks this round! I'm excited for the slew of emotions that it is about to follow.

What the fuck Ted? We don't need a __________! But ____________ was still available!!! Why the hell didn't we address the ______________ position? I guess that _____________ could end up being a player. Oh we really do need depth there. Oh wow, this kid did _________ and _________! This kid could be great!


Ted can cover all this by just drafting the best punter :lol:

[Maxie the Taxi]

Al Davis just drafted somebody not on the NFL's Tracker. Walter McFadden, DB, Auburn.

Darrin's brother?

[OS PA]

Just looking over today's picks, I can't believe that Crazy Al had enough patience to get Bruce Campbell in the fourth round and Jacoby Ford!

[Bretsky]

Damn it all! Franks now Cox. Trading up for Burnett is screwing us for decent CBs left.


Too bad we couldn't package our 5th and 6th of one of the better CB's.

Still plenty of players left though; I just don't know which one to want anymore

[imscott72]

NFL talking about Packers and Westbrook

Apparently he's on his way to visit the Rams also

Rams and Packers sound like top two contenders for him

Rams aren't going to be contenders. Not sure why he'd pick them over us, unless it's purely about the cash.

[Bretsky]

KUDOS TO JOHN SCHNEIDER AND SEATTLE

[Bretsky]

NFL talking about Packers and Westbrook

Apparently he's on his way to visit the Rams also

Rams and Packers sound like top two contenders for him

Rams aren't going to be contenders. Not sure why he'd pick them over us, unless it's purely about the cash.



Maybe we've just given luke cold interest.........who knows

[Maxie the Taxi]

Many here wanted Ed Wang, OT. He's gone. He Graded at 3.7.

[imscott72]

Seachickens just acquired RB Leon Washington..

[mission]

i thought we had a 5th round pick ??

[Gunakor]

i thought we had a 5th round pick ??

we have 2 of them

[Maxie the Taxi]

Bears just drafted Joshua Moore, DB. Graded at 2.1.

[Bretsky]

Seachickens just acquired RB Leon Washington..


Okung
Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Lendale White
Leon Washington

nice

[Lurker64]

CB and LB have been picked pretty clean at this point. Expect a "non-need" pick by Ted.

[mission]

i thought we had a 5th round pick ??

we have 2 of them

oh it just flipped over, i get it

[green_bowl_packer]

NFL talking about Packers and Westbrook

Apparently he's on his way to visit the Rams also

Rams and Packers sound like top two contenders for him

Rams aren't going to be contenders. Not sure why he'd pick them over us, unless it's purely about the cash.



Maybe we've just given luke cold interest.........who knows

Head, knee, ankle, and 30+ - I'm not sure he'll pass a physical. Picking a 2-16 team over a SB contender? Unless he's trying to get us to shit or get off the pot.

Another site is saying that Marshawn Lynch is available for a song, I don't know that I'd take Westbrook over Lynch (if he's really available that cheap) even if it cost a late pick.

[Maxie the Taxi]

CB and LB have been picked pretty clean at this point. Expect a "non-need" pick by Ted.

We need a ST's guy.

[imscott72]

Seachickens just acquired RB Leon Washington..


Okung
Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Lendale White
Leon Washington

nice

Yea they are totally getting it done in this draft..Schneider is a machine..

[Maxie the Taxi]

Marshawn Lynch is a head case and not much different in style than Grant, IMHO.

[pittstang5]

CB and LB have been picked pretty clean at this point. Expect a "non-need" pick by Ted.

We need a ST's guy.

I'm thinking PR / KR...in case Blackmons not back. Was hoping for a CB hat coould play dime and also be a PR / KR....i think they're all but gone.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Sheffield, Cameron, DE, Troy Grade: 3.1

[Lurker64]

CB and LB have been picked pretty clean at this point. Expect a "non-need" pick by Ted.

We need a ST's guy.

I'm guessing that our two picks in the fifth will be between QB, WR, OL, and DL. Maybe an RB.

[red]

i thought we had a 5th round pick ??

we have 2

hey all, my connection has been all screwed up since yesterday, so i got to miss my favorite part of the year on the forum

glad i was on though, i would have blown my lid on the neal pick. i just don't get it. justin harrell part 2

[imscott72]

Marshawn Lynch is a head case and not much different in style than Grant, IMHO.

I don't see any scenarios where Lynch would become a Packer..

[ND72]

Think about this...who the hell wins the NFC West?

Arizona? having to retool in a lot of key areas
San Fran? Can Alex Smith do the job?
Rams? 1-15 last year?

how about Seattle? Heck of a draft...heck of an offseason....great trades for them. WOW...nice job Mr. Schneider, nice job!

[imscott72]

Multiple sources reporting a Jason Campbell trade coming soon..

[ND72]

Marshawn Lynch is a head case and not much different in style than Grant, IMHO.

I don't see any scenarios where Lynch would become a Packer..

Lynch has never been happy in Buffalo...and here he would have an ally...Aaron Rodgers. I would send Buffalo our 5th round pick for Marshawn Lynch in a heart beat.

[red]

i thought we had a 5th round pick ??

we have 2

hey all, my connection has been all screwed up since yesterday, so i got to miss my favorite part of the year on the forum

glad i was on though, i would have blown my lid on the neal pick. i just don't get it. justin harrell part 2

[mission]

i thought we had a 5th round pick ??

we have 2

hey all, my connection has been all screwed up since yesterday, so i got to miss my favorite part of the year on the forum

glad i was on though, i would have blown my lid on the neal pick. i just don't get it. justin harrell part 2

the guy is 300 pounds with 6 pack abs.

im pretty sure neal and harrell approach the weight room a bit differently :lol:

missed ya tho, burnett is gonna be a huge pick

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm guessing that our two picks in the fifth will be between QB, WR, OL, and DL. Maybe an RB.

I'd say CB or OLB. Also could use RB, QB, TE. Of course, they could really like somebody that isn't playing a position of need.

[ND72]

Multiple sources reporting a Jason Campbell trade coming soon..


Seattle? :lol:

[Maxie the Taxi]

Marshawn Lynch is a head case and not much different in style than Grant, IMHO.

I don't see any scenarios where Lynch would become a Packer..

Lynch has never been happy in Buffalo...and here he would have an ally...Aaron Rodgers. I would send Buffalo our 5th round pick for Marshawn Lynch in a heart beat.

Think they'd be interested if we offered Bush and a 7th pick? :)

[imscott72]

Seattle got Leon Washington for their 5th, (139th), and got the Jets 7th rounder as well. Nice!!

[OS PA]

Damn it all! Franks now Cox. Trading up for Burnett is screwing us for decent CBs left.


Too bad we couldn't package our 5th and 6th of one of the better CB's.

Still plenty of players left though; I just don't know which one to want anymore

How about RBs Dwyer or Dixon? Matt Tenant, C? Mitch Petrus, G? Shad Jones, S? Austen Lane, DE/OLB? Greg Hardey, DE? Arthur Moats, OLB? Trindon Holliday, WR/SP? Larry Asante, S? AJ Jefferson, CB? Brian Jackson, CB? Syd'Quan Thompson, CB?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Hart, Larry, DE, Central Arkansas. Not Graded. Not on anyone's board.

This draft is going downhill fast.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Damn it all! Franks now Cox. Trading up for Burnett is screwing us for decent CBs left.


Too bad we couldn't package our 5th and 6th of one of the better CB's.

Still plenty of players left though; I just don't know which one to want anymore

How about RBs Dwyer or Dixon? Matt Tenant, C? Mitch Petrus, G? Shad Jones, S? Austen Lane, DE/OLB? Greg Hardey, DE? Arthur Moats, OLB? Trindon Holliday, WR/SP? Larry Asante, S? AJ Jefferson, CB? Brian Jackson, CB? Syd'Quan Thompson, CB?

I like the way you think.

[green_bowl_packer]

Marshawn Lynch is a head case and not much different in style than Grant, IMHO.

True - the platinum grill probably doesn't play well in Buffalo or GB, but he's a young ProBowl RB with a cheap contract.

Is he a better receiver than Grant? Haven't really watched anything on him since we almost drafted him first time around.

If he would ruin the locker room no way would I want him.

[Scott Campbell]

Seattle got Leon Washington for their 5th, (139th), and got the Jets 7th rounder as well. Nice!!


Wow.

[imscott72]

Marshawn Lynch is a head case and not much different in style than Grant, IMHO.

I don't see any scenarios where Lynch would become a Packer..

Lynch has never been happy in Buffalo...and here he would have an ally...Aaron Rodgers. I would send Buffalo our 5th round pick for Marshawn Lynch in a heart beat.

I'm never a fan of players who all the sudden become unhappy where they are. Maybe it's the whole Javon Walker thing, who knows, but I do know the Bills can't seem to give him away at this point, and that's troubling.

[Bretsky]

ok, any names to cheer for ? The last 15 picks have pretty much depleted my wishlist except for the Mighty Zoltan

Consider Holliday here ?

[Lurker64]

I'm guessing that our two picks in the fifth will be between QB, WR, OL, and DL. Maybe an RB.

I'd say CB or OLB. Also could use RB, QB, TE. Of course, they could really like somebody that isn't playing a position of need.

I just think that CB and OLB are so picked clean, that they wouldn't be anywhere near BPA when we pick, unless Ted really loves someone. Most of the value is at other positions at this point.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Think about this...who the hell wins the NFC West?

Arizona? having to retool in a lot of key areas
San Fran? Can Alex Smith do the job?
Rams? 1-15 last year?

how about Seattle? Heck of a draft...heck of an offseason....great trades for them. WOW...nice job Mr. Schneider, nice job!

To me, San Fran is the clear favorite. The really do have a nice team. Frank Gore at RB, Michael Crabtree at WR, Vernon Davis at TE. The OL looks like it will be much improved. Singletary has done a nice job with the defense. It actually looked like the light went on for Alex Smith at the end of last year. I think San Fran could be a scary team. Remember that they went 8-8 and lost a lot of close games (the Minnesota game comes to mind).

[Maxie the Taxi]

McManis, Sherrick, DB, Northwestern 3.0

[imscott72]

I'm guessing that our two picks in the fifth will be between QB, WR, OL, and DL. Maybe an RB.

I'd say CB or OLB. Also could use RB, QB, TE. Of course, they could really like somebody that isn't playing a position of need.


Dan Lefevour? Would be a nice project for MM..

[Gunakor]

i would have blown my lid on the neal pick. i just don't get it. justin harrell part 2

Neal isn't an injury case. Neal wasn't picked #16 overall. And unlike when Harrell was picked, DL is a position of need for us now - Harrell can't stay healthy, Jenkins is probably gone after next year, and Jolly is questionable due to legal matters.

Nothing like the Justin Harrell pick.

[Lurker64]

I'm guessing that our two picks in the fifth will be between QB, WR, OL, and DL. Maybe an RB.

I'd say CB or OLB. Also could use RB, QB, TE. Of course, they could really like somebody that isn't playing a position of need.


Dan Lefevour? Would be a nice project for MM..

If he wants a challenge, he could take Jevan Snead. First round talent, but an $.08 cent head.

[green_bowl_packer]

Think about this...who the hell wins the NFC West?

Arizona? having to retool in a lot of key areas
San Fran? Can Alex Smith do the job?
Rams? 1-15 last year?

how about Seattle? Heck of a draft...heck of an offseason....great trades for them. WOW...nice job Mr. Schneider, nice job!

To me, San Fran is the clear favorite. The really do have a nice team. Frank Gore at RB, Michael Crabtree at WR, Vernon Davis at TE. The OL looks like it will be much improved. Singletary has done a nice job with the defense. It actually looked like the light went on for Alex Smith at the end of last year. I think San Fran could be a scary team. Remember that they went 8-8 and lost a lot of close games (the Minnesota game comes to mind).

San Fran did great considering they shit canned their GM a month before the draft.

[pack4to84]

watch for Tony Pike at GB pick

[ND72]

Think about this...who the hell wins the NFC West?

Arizona? having to retool in a lot of key areas
San Fran? Can Alex Smith do the job?
Rams? 1-15 last year?

how about Seattle? Heck of a draft...heck of an offseason....great trades for them. WOW...nice job Mr. Schneider, nice job!

To me, San Fran is the clear favorite. The really do have a nice team. Frank Gore at RB, Michael Crabtree at WR, Vernon Davis at TE. The OL looks like it will be much improved. Singletary has done a nice job with the defense. It actually looked like the light went on for Alex Smith at the end of last year. I think San Fran could be a scary team. Remember that they went 8-8 and lost a lot of close games (the Minnesota game comes to mind).


agreed. You gotta like what the 9ers did in the draft. Getting Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati is nice for them. They should be instant starters for them, which could be troubling at the same time.

[Sparkey]

Damn it all! Franks now Cox. Trading up for Burnett is screwing us for decent CBs left.


Too bad we couldn't package our 5th and 6th of one of the better CB's.

Still plenty of players left though; I just don't know which one to want anymore

How about RBs Dwyer or Dixon? Matt Tenant, C? Mitch Petrus, G? Shad Jones, S? Austen Lane, DE/OLB? Greg Hardey, DE? Arthur Moats, OLB? Trindon Holliday, WR/SP? Larry Asante, S? AJ Jefferson, CB? Brian Jackson, CB? Syd'Quan Thompson, CB?

I like the way you think.

Tennant and Moats are interesting

[imscott72]

Think about this...who the hell wins the NFC West?

Arizona? having to retool in a lot of key areas
San Fran? Can Alex Smith do the job?
Rams? 1-15 last year?

how about Seattle? Heck of a draft...heck of an offseason....great trades for them. WOW...nice job Mr. Schneider, nice job!

To me, San Fran is the clear favorite. The really do have a nice team. Frank Gore at RB, Michael Crabtree at WR, Vernon Davis at TE. The OL looks like it will be much improved. Singletary has done a nice job with the defense. It actually looked like the light went on for Alex Smith at the end of last year. I think San Fran could be a scary team. Remember that they went 8-8 and lost a lot of close games (the Minnesota game comes to mind).

Seattle and San Fran are going to battle it out for that division. Going to be fun to watch, along with our division of course. Speaking of our division, I see the Lions finishing ahead of the Bears this year.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Carroll Nolan, CB, Maryland Grade: 2.7

(I'm assuming this is a guy.)

[Bossman641]

I'm guessing that our two picks in the fifth will be between QB, WR, OL, and DL. Maybe an RB.

I'd say CB or OLB. Also could use RB, QB, TE. Of course, they could really like somebody that isn't playing a position of need.


Dan Lefevour? Would be a nice project for MM..

I'm thinkin the same thing

[red]

i thought we had a 5th round pick ??

we have 2

hey all, my connection has been all screwed up since yesterday, so i got to miss my favorite part of the year on the forum

glad i was on though, i would have blown my lid on the neal pick. i just don't get it. justin harrell part 2

the guy is 300 pounds with 6 pack abs.

im pretty sure neal and harrell approach the weight room a bit differently :lol:

missed ya tho, burnett is gonna be a huge pick

neal seems to have a pretty long injury history just like harrell did. he's also a pick for a position we don't really need, like JH was. I hope i'm wrong though

i also love the burnett pick

[ND72]

watch for Tony Pike at GB pick


would not be surprised for a QB in the 5th round.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Damn it all! Franks now Cox. Trading up for Burnett is screwing us for decent CBs left.


Too bad we couldn't package our 5th and 6th of one of the better CB's.

Still plenty of players left though; I just don't know which one to want anymore

How about RBs Dwyer or Dixon? Matt Tenant, C? Mitch Petrus, G? Shad Jones, S? Austen Lane, DE/OLB? Greg Hardey, DE? Arthur Moats, OLB? Trindon Holliday, WR/SP? Larry Asante, S? AJ Jefferson, CB? Brian Jackson, CB? Syd'Quan Thompson, CB?

I like the way you think.

Tennant and Moats are interesting

A lot of scouts graded Tennant 2nd best C in the draft. I saw one guy had him better than Pouncey.

[swede]

For those watching NFL network...

Cory Chavous makes me laugh.

He was a little nervous yesterday, seems more relaxed today, but he has a Chris Rock thing going that makes me think I'm watching a late-night skit with Chris playing an NFL analyst.

[ND72]

Think about this...who the hell wins the NFC West?

Arizona? having to retool in a lot of key areas
San Fran? Can Alex Smith do the job?
Rams? 1-15 last year?

how about Seattle? Heck of a draft...heck of an offseason....great trades for them. WOW...nice job Mr. Schneider, nice job!

To me, San Fran is the clear favorite. The really do have a nice team. Frank Gore at RB, Michael Crabtree at WR, Vernon Davis at TE. The OL looks like it will be much improved. Singletary has done a nice job with the defense. It actually looked like the light went on for Alex Smith at the end of last year. I think San Fran could be a scary team. Remember that they went 8-8 and lost a lot of close games (the Minnesota game comes to mind).

Seattle and San Fran are going to battle it out for that division. Going to be fun to watch, along with our division of course. Speaking of our division, I see the Lions finishing ahead of the Bears this year.

If Cutler can "get it"...the Bears could be very good. They don' thave much for WR help for him, but some of those younger guys started to look good for them late in the year.

[imscott72]

Raiders are the team hot after Jason Campbell..

[Maxie the Taxi]

Guys left with Grades at or near 7.0

UPDATED...


Warren, Donovan,CB, 7.0


Dwyer, Jonathan, RB, 7.1

Briscoe, Dezmon, WR, 7.8
Mitchell, Carlton, WR, 7.1
Cooper, Riley, WR, 6.8

Dickerson, Dorin, TE, 7.7
McCoy, Anthony, TE, 7.7

[Lurker64]

[quote=red][quote=mission]i thought we had a 5th round pick ??

neal seems to have a pretty long injury history just like harrell did. he's also a pick for a position we don't really need, like JH was. I hope i'm wrong though

Here's Neal's injury history:
Redshirted with a knee injury.
Missed 5 games with turf toe
Played through a torn labrum.

It's not anything exceptional. Big guys are going to get banged up. The fact that the guy would play like 80 plays a game at Purdue means that he's probably not that fragile.

[ND72]

Ever wonder how players just happen to get traded on draft days?

I picture a video game where every team is linked into a TV or computer and they just place guys they are willing to trade. :lol:

[Fosco33]

Texans love UW Tight Ends. I'm jealous at a level - but still love Finley.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Dorin Dickerson has been high up on Mel Kiper's best available list since the start of today's drafting.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Yeah, corner appears to be picked over. What about Donovan Warren? Anybody know anything about him. Of the highest ranked guys left, he's one of the few that is a bigger corner.

[Sparkey]

Dorin Dickerson has been high up on Mel Kiper's best available list since the start of today's drafting.

Thats reason enough to NOT TAKE HIM :lol:

[Maxie the Taxi]

Petrus, Mitch, OG, Arkansas Grade: 2.9

[pbmax]

[quote=red][quote=mission]i thought we had a 5th round pick ??

neal seems to have a pretty long injury history just like harrell did. he's also a pick for a position we don't really need, like JH was. I hope i'm wrong though

Here's Neal's injury history:
Redshirted with a knee injury.
Missed 5 games with turf toe
Played through a torn labrum.

It's not anything exceptional. Big guys are going to get banged up. The fact that the guy would play like 80 plays a game at Purdue means that he's probably not that fragile.
Just remember the rule that everybody knows. Two major injuries in college and you NEVER draft them.

[Sparkey]

5 picks till GB selects

[green_bowl_packer]

I'm guessing that our two picks in the fifth will be between QB, WR, OL, and DL. Maybe an RB.

I'd say CB or OLB. Also could use RB, QB, TE. Of course, they could really like somebody that isn't playing a position of need.


Dan Lefevour? Would be a nice project for MM..

I'm thinkin the same thing

Bedard is on twitter slamming Lefevour saying that he's glad he's dropped because his ego needs to be put in check. Saying stuff like he wouldn't throw at the combine and wouldn't talk to any team without going threw his agent or something like that.

http://twitter.com/greg_a_bedard

[Maxie the Taxi]

Dorin Dickerson has been high up on Mel Kiper's best available list since the start of today's drafting.

Thats reason enough to NOT TAKE HIM :lol:

I agree. Guy isn't a dunce, but pretty over-rated, IMHO.

[red]

ok, any names to cheer for ? The last 15 picks have pretty much depleted my wishlist except for the Mighty Zoltan

Consider Holliday here ?

selvie

[imscott72]

Yeah, corner appears to be picked over. What about Donovan Warren? Anybody know anything about him. Of the highest ranked guys left, he's one of the few that is a bigger corner.

Read & React: Reacts quickly to throws in front of him, although his footwork is not always sound. Struggles to get to jump balls even when in ideal position. Could improve anticipating routes.

Man Coverage: Quick hip turn and feet to change direction but is not fluid in his movements. When he finds the ball, has the hand-eye coordination to make a play but doesn't have great hands. Comes out of his high, slow backpedal early and gets turned around to give up easy completions. Loses his balance when trying to plant, affecting his ability to close. Plays a lot of press-bail coverage, yet is inconsistent staying with quicker receivers downfield. Must work on getting his hands on the receiver within the five-yard area to knock them off their route.

Zone Coverage: Pounds and wraps up receivers making receptions in front of him. Jumps routes when quarterback locks onto a receiver. Jumps underneath routes to make tackles. Poor backpedal, allows receivers to eat up cushion.

Closing/Recovery: Physical closing on receivers. Takes wasted choppy steps coming out of his backpedal. Body control when closing in zone coverage is erratic. Has trouble finding the ball consistently and sometimes fails to get his head around. Can lose track of his man and will mug receivers when looking back to the quarterback.

Run Support: Works hard to get off tight end blocks on the edge when supporting the run. Is not strong enough to rip off consistently, put will attempt to force plays inside and reach the sideline. Backs typically don't elude him once in the grasp. Stays home against misdirection plays and cutbacks.

Tackling: Secure tackler in the open field who brings his hips and wraps with authority. Strong enough to knock the ball out of the receiver's hands during or after the catch is secured. Effective arm tackler but bends at the waist to tackle in space instead of dropping his hips, will miss tackles against NFL backs. Lunges and leaps at the feet of running backs when supporting the run, which is not acceptable at the next level.

Intangibles: Loves the game. Plays with passion and toughness. Directs other defensive backs into position. Father, Alvin, played football at New Mexico State, his godfather is former USC and Chicago Bears safety Mark Carrier, and cousin, Chuckie Miller, was a defensive back for UCLA, the Indianapolis Colts and Detroit Lions.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Johnson, Robert, DB, Utah Un-Graded

[Bretsky]

Damn it all! Franks now Cox. Trading up for Burnett is screwing us for decent CBs left.


Too bad we couldn't package our 5th and 6th of one of the better CB's.

Still plenty of players left though; I just don't know which one to want anymore

How about RBs Dwyer or Dixon? Matt Tenant, C? Mitch Petrus, G? Shad Jones, S? Austen Lane, DE/OLB? Greg Hardey, DE? Arthur Moats, OLB? Trindon Holliday, WR/SP? Larry Asante, S? AJ Jefferson, CB? Brian Jackson, CB? Syd'Quan Thompson, CB?


Thanks for the list OS PA; I was just reading up and Moats is very intriguing as is Greg Hardy. Now that Schofield is gone no strong feelings. Would be excited about a kick return specialist or a pass rusher
I like the way you think.

Tennant and Moats are interesting

[pbmax]

I'm guessing that our two picks in the fifth will be between QB, WR, OL, and DL. Maybe an RB.

I'd say CB or OLB. Also could use RB, QB, TE. Of course, they could really like somebody that isn't playing a position of need.


Dan Lefevour? Would be a nice project for MM..

I'm thinkin the same thing

Bedard is on twitter slamming Lefevour saying that he's glad he's dropped because his ego needs to be put in check. Saying stuff like he wouldn't throw at the combine and wouldn't talk to any team without going threw his agent or something like that.

http://twitter.com/greg_a_bedard
Greg Bedard. Last bastion of NFL genuflection in America.

[OS PA]

Bretsky is not gonna be happy! Billy just took his punter.