THE draft thread (2013 version)

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Rumors:

Huber at Packer Report hearing Sylvester Williams, my new favorite college player (http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?25391-Who-is-TT-taking-with-his-first-pick-Nut-up-or-shut-up&p=720584&viewfull=1#post720584), will not get by the Cowboys.

Bedard has the 49ers trading with Pack, Packers move out of first round. They end up with five picks in first 97. I think this might be Bedard trolling his old workplace.

[pbmax]

Jacksonville wishes to bail.

San Fran talking to as high as Buffalo at 8

Rams looking to bail on 22nd pick

49ers looking at Sheldon Richardson, Browns was Eifert

Peter King thinks after all the attempts to trade down, a bunch of teams will try to trade up into late first early second to grab QB at better value

[pbmax]

Ian Rapppappport reppports that the Raiders are getting a lot of calls for the #3 pick.

[denverYooper]

Ian Rapppappport reppports that the Raiders are getting a lot of calls for the #3 pick.

Mind your Ps and Qs mister!

[smuggler]

Staying put might be the order of the day. With more teams selling, the cost to move up might be driven down a bit.

[run pMc]

Peter King thinks after all the attempts to trade down, a bunch of teams will try to trade up into late first early second to grab QB at better value

Yeah, I think this is the most likely scenario...I can't see teams taking a QB in the first half of R1 outside of Geno Smith, and that's a maybe. I could see the top-ranked QBs still there in the mid-20's and a team trying to trade up.

Hypothetical example: Some (IMO lazy) predictions have BUF taking Nassib because he played for the coach...I can't see them taking him at #8, but could see them trading their R2 and another pick to get back into late R1 to take him. If GB decided to play trading partner I'd be ok with that for the extra depth picks.

[3irty1]

Taking Nassib at #8 isn't that much different from Ponder at 12 IMO.

[3irty1]

Part of me wants to load up on offense and try 2011 again. In 2011 nobody could call a running play against us because running wouldn't save you. You had to pass to keep up and we couldn't stop the pass. Hence, the 2012 draft.

Now maybe we could. We have Perry, Hayward, a couple of better Safeties than Peprah. I think I'd still want an OLB with our first round pick just to injury proof that spot but then get a couple of deep threat receivers and make it rain again. Team philosophy: Pass and stop the Pass.

[wist43]

Part of me wants to load up on offense and try 2011 again. In 2011 nobody could call a running play against us because running wouldn't save you. You had to pass to keep up and we couldn't stop the pass. Hence, the 2012 draft.

Now maybe we could. We have Perry, Hayward, a couple of better Safeties than Peprah. I think I'd still want an OLB with our first round pick just to injury proof that spot but then get a couple of deep threat receivers and make it rain again. Team philosophy: Pass and stop the Pass.

3irty1, we're the ones who can't keep up.

Hell, we even had a lead in the 2nd quarter against the Niners - then they got rolling, and we were punked and embarrassed the rest of the game. They pushed us around far too easily - can't fix that by drafting a WR.

Teams have figured out how to slow our passing game down, and our defense can't stop anybody. We can't run the ball, and we can't stop the run - or pass.

Rodgers was sacked 51 times, and the OL can't run block to save their lives. Our front seven is a complete disaster; and, given the strikeout rate of draft picks, TT would have to draft exclusively front seven guys for the next 2 years just to field a reasonably competent defense - which we do not have now.

Pickett is near the end, I'm sure Raji wants out, and the other guys are miscast in the roles they've been handed.

The problems with the Green Bay Packers are numerous and can't be fixed in one, or even two, drafts.

[wist43]

I think we could get back to contender status pretty quickly if TT targetted the trenches on both sides of the ball and got us shored up on both lines - but I don't expect that to happen.

TT will keep doing what he's been doing, and we're as likely to get a WR, QB, and RB in the first 3 picks as we are to get any help in the trenches.

[3irty1]

3irty1, we're the ones who can't keep up.

Hell, we even had a lead in the 2nd quarter against the Niners - then they got rolling, and we were punked and embarrassed the rest of the game. They pushed us around far too easily - can't fix that by drafting a WR.

Teams have figured out how to slow our passing game down, and our defense can't stop anybody. We can't run the ball, and we can't stop the run - or pass.

Rodgers was sacked 51 times, and the OL can't run block to save their lives. Our front seven is a complete disaster; and, given the strikeout rate of draft picks, TT would have to draft exclusively front seven guys for the next 2 years just to field a reasonably competent defense - which we do not have now.

Pickett is near the end, I'm sure Raji wants out, and the other guys are miscast in the roles they've been handed.

The problems with the Green Bay Packers are numerous and can't be fixed in one, or even two, drafts.

Of course we couldn't keep up, you don't think improving the offense will lead to more scoring? because I thought that was implied. I guess the underlying concept I'm floating out there is: It might be easier to get the offense back to 2011 levels than it would be to get the defense back to 2010 levels.

The OL is going to improve no matter what we do but it wouldn't be hard to get the Line back to 2011 levels or better. The loss of Jennings would be the toughest to overcome. I like Randall Cobb but I don't consider him the same kind of big play threat as 2011 Jennings.

Just humor me and say you could give the offense enough of a shot in the arm to produce near that level again even if it was all luck or sorcery or whatever. I agree with you that we'd still get our shit pushed in come the playoffs if we only have Clay Matthews off the edge again. Perry could be enough but I'd rather have the position be 3 deep like it was for the Ravens and Giants. That's a winning recipe.

[pbmax]

Yeah, but the offense's output has varied far more widely than the defenses overall. Packers still never looked like pre-Cheifs offense except for the Texans game this year. They are going to need to figure out how to pass against 2 deep, non-blitzing coverage.

[3irty1]

I think we could get back to contender status pretty quickly if TT targetted the trenches on both sides of the ball and got us shored up on both lines - but I don't expect that to happen.

TT will keep doing what he's been doing, and we're as likely to get a WR, QB, and RB in the first 3 picks as we are to get any help in the trenches.

At this time last year you were saying you'd be "Shocked" if Thompson drafted for defense. Your narrative last year was that the Packers are basically the Colorado Rockies of football, i.e. they don't care about winning they just want to hit home runs and let the fans drink.

[3irty1]

Yeah, but the offense's output has varied far more widely than the defenses overall. Packers still never looked like pre-Cheifs offense except for the Texans game this year. They are going to need to figure out how to pass against 2 deep, non-blitzing coverage.

Certainly didn't help that we barely had Jordy and Jennings on the field at the same time. Those are our big play guys. A better than 50% capacity year from Finley would go a long way towards passing in those 2-deep situation. He and Cobb together could take whatever they wanted in the middle of the field.

[RashanGary]

I think we could get back to contender status pretty quickly if TT targetted the trenches on both sides of the ball and got us shored up on both lines - but I don't expect that to happen.

TT will keep doing what he's been doing, and we're as likely to get a WR, QB, and RB in the first 3 picks as we are to get any help in the trenches.

I know in 2006, TT was looking at Haloti Ngata pretty hard. People thought it was a reach at that time, but it turned out to be a huge mistake not taking him over Hawk. Since then, TT has drafted Justin Harrell, BJ Raji, Clay Matthews, Bryan Bulaga, Derrek Sherrod and Nick Perry in the first round. 4 of those guys are either DT's or OT's. The other two are 3-4 outside backers.

I think TT values big bodies, and for some reason, I think we're going to draft a big guy you're happy with tonight. This draft is deep in the trenches. The first round has a lot of big OL going early in the first round and enough DL talent to last all the way to 26 most likely. There might be a skillplayer TT values, but if it comes down to it, TT has said god only makes so many 300 pound men who can move. I think he knows those guys are rare and you have to take them with your first round picks.

[RashanGary]

I heard from a co-worker that TT is gay. He said he heard it years back, that he likes wieners. That's kinda creepy, picturing TT in a lockerroom of 19-21 year old boys. Icky. He even looks like a weirdo :) :)

[RashanGary]

Yeah, but the offense's output has varied far more widely than the defenses overall. Packers still never looked like pre-Cheifs offense except for the Texans game this year. They are going to need to figure out how to pass against 2 deep, non-blitzing coverage.

Yeah, that or run the fucking ball, right?

[Freak Out]

Harrell....you are already debauched aren't you? :)

[RashanGary]

Just repeating what I heard. I never believe it when people say it on the internet, but when someone you know says it and believes it. . . I don't know, it's not like it matters, but I thought it was hilarious to hear someone say it outside of the internet. I laughed my ass off.

[RashanGary]

Elam is 5'10". Sanders was 5'8". I think Elams size is overblown. He carries plenty of weight and he plays really tough.

[pbmax]

Yeah, that or run the fucking ball, right?

Running the ball is fine. But its a faster fix to learn how to complete passes against a 2 deep shell while they are playing press man. Actually, that is my biggest concern with Jennings gone. Beat man to man off the line and get open before Newhouse lets go.

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NFLCharean
Joeckel apparently has been told by KC that Fisher is their pick.

Jags two tone helmets on the clock.

[rbaloha1]

Elam is 5'10". Sanders was 5'8". I think Elams size is overblown. He carries plenty of weight and he plays really tough.

true. packers are more paranoid about injuries and generally smaller guys that throw theri body around get injured more.

[3irty1]

Running the ball is fine. But its a faster fix to learn how to complete passes against a 2 deep shell while they are playing press man. Actually, that is my biggest concern with Jennings gone. Beat man to man off the line and get open before Newhouse lets go.

I have a lot more faith in James Jones getting off a press than I do Jennings.

[pbmax]

I have a lot more faith in James Jones getting off a press than I do Jennings.

In the abstract I do too, especially on slants where getting around him is tough for a CB. But in practice, he tends to go long against press and Jennings (previously Driver) would work the middle and sit down somewhere open. Cobb will be called to do that now. Finley being reliable helps tremendously.

The weird part is how discombobulated Rodgers can look when the gears are not moving smoothly against that coverage. There was video of his last year with Jennings or Cobb open short underneath the safeties and between LBs and Nelson open deeper between the safety and the corner and he declined to pull the trigger. Nelson had sat down into a zone and Cobb/Jennings was running into the open. Its only one play and only a snippet and we don't know the intended target or progression. But two guys were open and no pass was completed.

I get that sense a lot versus that defense since KC. Better protection will help break it down.

[rbaloha1]

I know in 2006, TT was looking at Haloti Ngata pretty hard. People thought it was a reach at that time, but it turned out to be a huge mistake not taking him over Hawk. Since then, TT has drafted Justin Harrell, BJ Raji, Clay Matthews, Bryan Bulaga, Derrek Sherrod and Nick Perry in the first round. 4 of those guys are either DT's or OT's. The other two are 3-4 outside backers.

I think TT values big bodies, and for some reason, I think we're going to draft a big guy you're happy with tonight. This draft is deep in the trenches. The first round has a lot of big OL going early in the first round and enough DL talent to last all the way to 26 most likely. There might be a skillplayer TT values, but if it comes down to it, TT has said god only makes so many 300 pound men who can move. I think he knows those guys are rare and you have to take them with your first round picks.

TT says good big men are harder to find than good small men.

Example: MM wanted to draft Michael Crabtree but deferred to TT's desire to draft Raji.

[pbmax]

Example: MM wanted Crabtree but deferred to TT's desire for Raji.

Do you mean did not resign Crabtree and use that money to help sign Raji?

EDIT: My bad. I actually misread the post. Or did it just change to clarify Michael?

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From JerseyAL at AllGreenBayPackersDotCom: http://jerseyal.com/GBP/2013/04/25/packers-2013-nfl-draft-10-last-minute-predictions-opinions-and-whispers/


Whisper: If there is one player the Packers would consider trading up for, it’s Sheldon Richardson. 49ers talking to Jets about the same thing…

Prediction: The Packers will draft a running back and/or wide receiver between Rounds two and four.

Opinion: If a trading partner can be found (49ers? Pats?) Packers should trade back a bit and pick up another third rounder.

Whisper: Top running back on the Packers’ board is Johnathan Franklin, UCLA.

Whisper: I was told to “expect a surprise” in the first round by the Packers. No more details than that, unfortunately. Trade up? Kevin Minter (who they love)? Robert Woods? Tank Carradine?

Prediction: There is no way the Packers come out of this draft without taking a running back.

Opinion: Two mid-round safeties the Packers should be going after are JJ Wilcox of Georgia Southern and Duke Williams of Nevada.

Whisper: Packers have done “a ton of research” on Kevin Minter, Stedman Bailey, Johnathan Franklin, Le’Veon Bell, JJ Wilcox, Dwayne Gratz, AJ Klein, Ryan Griffin.

Prediction: Johnathan Franklin or Le’Veon Bell will be a Green Bay Packer.

Opinion: Seriously hoping Ted trades down and amasses 4 picks in the top 100…

[denverYooper]

I have a lot more faith in James Jones getting off a press than I do Jennings.

I think that's why they kept Boykin and Ross around too. Both have shown some ability to deal with physical secondary play.

[rbaloha1]

I think that's why they kept Boykin and Ross around too. Both have shown some ability to deal with physical secondary play.

Ross is a return guy. Boykin just needs reps -- reminds of Antonio Freeman.

[Freak Out]

I would love to have Franklin play for the Packers. I've seen a few UCLA games and the dude is a baller. Where is he projected to go? Will he be there in the 2nd when we pick?

[Freak Out]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udwQxovuVvY

[rbaloha1]

I would love to have Franklin play for the Packers. I've seen a few UCLA games and the dude is a baller. Where is he projected to go? Will he be there in the 2nd when we pick?

already got harris

[pbmax]

From a size/speed perspective, Franklin in the first round is a bit of a stretch:

From Football Outsiders: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2013/fos-2013-draft-article-archives


2013 Speed Scores
Player Wght 40-YD Speed Score
Knile Davis 227 4.37 124.5
Mike James 223 4.53 105.9
Christine Michael 220 4.54 103.6
Matthew Tucker 221 4.55 103.1
Le’Veon Bell 230 4.60 102.7
Michael Ford 210 4.50 102.4
D.J. Harper 211 4.52 101.1
Johnathan Franklin 205 4.49 100.9

[denverYooper]

1 hour to magic time.

[Freak Out]

From a size/speed perspective, Franklin in the first round is a bit of a stretch:

From Football Outsiders: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2013/fos-2013-draft-article-archives


2013 Speed Scores
Player Wght 40-YD Speed Score
Knile Davis 227 4.37 124.5
Mike James 223 4.53 105.9
Christine Michael 220 4.54 103.6
Matthew Tucker 221 4.55 103.1
Le’Veon Bell 230 4.60 102.7
Michael Ford 210 4.50 102.4
D.J. Harper 211 4.52 101.1
Johnathan Franklin 205 4.49 100.9

I would never advocate taking the guy in the 1st. later rounds sure....

[gbpackfan]

How do you automatically update this thread, so it is more like a chat then having to manually refresh every time I want to see what was posted. Is this possible? And I know, it is a stupid question. I'm dumb, I get it, now please help

[pbmax]

For pass rush, not necessarily Packers but just for some fun, light reading:


Name College PrjRnd ExplosionIndx SRAM PDRate 3CD SackSEERProj/Rating
Bark Mingo LSU 1 1.64 .43 .28 6.84 34.5 94.6%
Ezekiel Ansah BYU 1 0.77 .22 .34 7.11 30.3 82.3%
Bjorn Werner FSU 1 -.66 .58 .37 7.3 28.5 77.3%
Jamie Collins SMiss 2-3 2.5 .48 .35 7.1 27.2 97.7%
Dion Jordan Ore 1 0.88 .31 .05 7.02 24.6 52.3%
Jarvis Jones Geor 1 -0.91 .84 .18 7.46 23.7 58.7%
Damon Moore TAMU 1-2 0.25 .72 .13 7.08 23.5 80.1%
Margus Hunt SMU 1-2 1.03 .30 .13 7.07 22.4 64.5%
David Bass MWSt 5-6 -0.5 .83 .55 7.07 20.1 87.3%
Tank Carradine FSU 1-2 +0.06 0.49 0.00 7.29 16.4 28.8%
Sam Montgomery LSU 2 -0.11 0.58 0.06 7.18 16.3 48.3%
Devin Taylor USCar 6 1.11 .35 .35 6.89 16.0 93.3%
Trev Williams Conn 3 +1.38 0.63 0.06 7.24 15.5 79.4%
John Simon OSU 3–4 +0.72 0.41 0.20 7.10 15.5 76.3%
Michl Buchanan UIll 4 -0.08 0.27 0.23 6.91 13.5 61.0%
Alex Okafor UTex 2 -0.90 0.48 0.07 7.26 13.3 20.2%
Corey Lemonier UAub 3 +0.70 0.49 0.03 7.14 12.8 53.7%
Chase Thomas Stan 3–4 -0.64 0.53 0.17 7.17 11.8 49.3%
LaVar Edwards LSU 3–4 +0.14 0.20 0.13 7.03 11.6 37.8%
Ty Powell Harding 5 +1.09 0.52 0.07 6.98 11.2 29.1%
Willm Gholston MSU 5–6 -1.29 0.34 0.36 7.20 8.9 48.3%
Walter Stewart UCinn UDFA +0.93 0.48 0.33 7.28 8.0 83.9%
Corn Washington Georgia 4–5 +1.81 0.21 0.06 7.47 7.7 48.2%
Mall Goodman Clemson 4 -0.36 0.23 0.07 7.10 7.1 17.4%
Armonty Bryant ECentrl UDFA -0.14 0.77 0.23 7.22 6.8 33.8%
Joe Kruger Utah 6–7 -0.07 0.36 0.11 7.17 4.3 36.5%
Qaunterus Smith WKU 7–UDFA +0.11e 0.53 0.07 7.28e 2.5 43.8%
Tourek Williams FIU 7 -0.14 0.36 0.14 7.44 2.0 29.1%
Brandon Jenkins FSU 3–4 -1.62 0.56 0.08 7.40 0.0 1.7%
Nathan Williams OSU 7–UDFA -0.27 0.26 0.14 6.99 0.0 7.2%

Bolded are best bets for pass rush late, or his sleepers.

[Guiness]

How do you automatically update this thread, so it is more like a chat then having to manually refresh every time I want to see what was posted. Is this possible? And I know, it is a stupid question. I'm dumb, I get it, now please help

Pretty sure it can't be done, unless there's some funky add-on for Firefox.

Closest I'm aware of is to mash the F5 key every 30 seconds or so :)

[gbpackfan]

Thanks, kinda sucks. But oh well.

[denverYooper]

Pretty sure it can't be done, unless there's some funky add-on for Firefox.

Closest I'm aware of is to mash the F5 key every 30 seconds or so :)

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-auto-reload/

lol @ the release number on that sumbitch - 0.0.0.6m

[denverYooper]

Thanks, kinda sucks. But oh well.

What browser do you use? Just google 'auto refresh <browser>'

[Fosco33]

Still hoping for trading down, value in picks... would like to get 10 picks total.

Would like to see the following in no specific order: a big cover corner, future QB to upgrade the backup, DT/DE, Center and a RB

[Rastak]

Happy 2013 draft guys.

[Fosco33]

Happy 2013 draft guys.

What's your take on Vikes?

[Guiness]

Happy 2013 draft guys.

Holy! There's been tons of calls for you to show up and get yourself purpled! Welcome!

[denverYooper]

Ras! Good to see you!

[Rastak]

What's your take on Vikes?

I like a few guys for the Vikes.....Xavier Rhodes, Sylvester Williams, Cordarelle Patterson, Robert Woods Arthur Brown - they need MLB, CB and WR with DT a close second.

[Rastak]

Thanks guys.

[rbaloha1]

What's your take on Vikes?

teo

[Rastak]

teo

On the plus side:
4 year starter with solid film
Damn near got a heisman
decent pro day 40
Negative:
shitty combine
poor national championship game
fake girlfriend gives me the willies

[Guiness]

For pass rush, not necessarily Packers but just for some fun, light reading:


So DII player David Bass makes the list, possibly even as a mid-rounder even, eh? Interesting, Carolina_Packer posted a link to him.

[gbpackfan]

What browser do you use? Just google 'auto refresh <browser>'

Explorer. I will do that, thanks.

[gbpackfan]

On the plus side:
4 year starter with solid film
Damn near got a heisman
decent pro day 40
Negative:
shitty combine
poor national championship game
fake girlfriend gives me the willies

To be honest, I want the Bears or Vikings to draft this kid...just because the jokes would be endless. In terms of ability, I think he will be good, not great. His game film against Alabama is alarming.

[rbaloha1]

To be honest, I want the Bears or Vikings to draft this kid...just because the jokes would be endless. In terms of ability, I think he will be good, not great. His game film against Alabama is alarming.

if you watch the gruden segment on teo it was more about being over anxious causing teo to be out of position too many times. nonetheless it was a poor performance but i judge teo on the entire season which was spectacular.

[gbgary]

can't find any Packers radio stations on tune-in streaming the draft. anybody know stations i can try?

[Rastak]

To be honest, I want the Bears or Vikings to draft this kid...just because the jokes would be endless. In terms of ability, I think he will be good, not great. His game film against Alabama is alarming.


Jokes are good at first but it fades pretty fast. You'd think I would have got a whole season of Najeh Davenport shitting in a girls laundry basket but it fades quick. Same with Ontario Smith and his fake dick in the airport.

I heard Michael Silver say when the Vikings had all 30 prospects at the facility Te'o was sitting by himself when a prospect yelled "hanging out with your girlfriend". Thought that was pretty funny.

[red]

hey, ras is back for the draft

awesome

hey man, good to see you

any chance you guys bundle those two picks to move up? or are you pretty happy with two picks?

[Rastak]

hey, ras is back for the draft

awesome

hey man, good to see you

any chance you guys bundle those two picks to move up? or are you pretty happy with two picks?

Unless somebody really good fell to the mid teens I wouldn't. I like DJ Hayden but I think he'll go quick.

[gbpackfan]

Jokes are good at first but it fades pretty fast. You'd think I would have got a whole season of Najeh Davenport shitting in a girls laundry basket but it fades quick. Same with Ontario Smith and his fake dick in the airport.

I heard Michael Silver say when the Vikings had all 30 prospects at the facility Te'o was sitting by himself when a prospect yelled "hanging out with your girlfriend". Thought that was pretty funny.

LOL, that Davenport thing is still hilarious. Packer or not, that was gross but fucking funny!!!!

[Rastak]

Red, I would trade up to the top of round 2 though for Arthur Brown though.

[red]

come on goodell, get on with the fucking draft

kc should already be picking

[gbpackfan]

Joe Namath appears drunk, again. I thought he was about to kiss Roger.

[Rastak]

Joe Namath appears drunk, again. I thought he was about to kiss Roger.


It sure looks like he pounds 'em around the clock.

[red]

Red, I would trade up to the top of round 2 though for Arthur Brown though.

what about trading down with one of the 1st rounders to get him?

honestly, i would rather TT trade out of the first. i really don't like a whole lot this year

[Rastak]

what about trading down with one of the 1st rounders to get him?

honestly, i would rather TT trade out of the first. i really don't like a whole lot this year

Yea, I'd do that too.

[Guiness]

Watching the stream live - pretty bad timing by the fans. Goodell gets up and they start booing, of course. Except he was doing a little speech about the Boston bombings and they booed all the way through it.

KC on the clock. Reid with a GREAT shirt. I wonder if I can find that one at the NFL gear store???

[Fritz]

Jokes are good at first but it fades pretty fast. You'd think I would have got a whole season of Najeh Davenport shitting in a girls laundry basket but it fades quick. Same with Ontario Smith and his fake dick in the airport.

I heard Michael Silver say when the Vikings had all 30 prospects at the facility Te'o was sitting by himself when a prospect yelled "hanging out with your girlfriend". Thought that was pretty funny.

Now that is some funny stuff.

Ras you are back. Good.

And the Najeh Davenport pooping in a laundry basket never got old! Who's got that pick someone doctored up? I think it was actually Justin Harrell, but still, we all got the idea.

[red]

on the clock my ass

these guys have had almost 5 months to figure out this pick

[Rastak]

LOL - Cheifs looking at the phone "comon, ring dammit"

[pittstang5]

So, are we all hanging in this thread. I saw there was an official 1st round thread

[red]

Yea, I'd do that too.
sounds like thats where a lot of people think geno smith is gonna go. someone between your picks and the end of the first is gonna trade down so someone can pick geno

[pbmax]

Happy 2013 draft guys.

Hey Ras! :D

[gbpackfan]

JS online reporting that Joeckel may be the pick now. LOL. So funny.

Goodell deserves to be booed. He is ruining the NFL and the draft. This three day thing sucks and Adam Schefter just went black on Twitter, at the direction of the NFL. So lame.

[red]

So, are we all hanging in this thread. I saw there was an official 1st round thread

screw that, i staked my claim to be the draft thread over 4 months ago

[red]

JS online reporting that Joeckel may be the pick now. LOL. So funny.

Goodell deserves to be booed. He is ruining the NFL and the draft. This three day thing sucks and Adam Schefter just went black on Twitter, at the direction of the NFL. So lame.

i think the whole draft this year is a toss up. anyone could go at any time

[Rastak]

JS online reporting that Joeckel may be the pick now. LOL. So funny.

Goodell deserves to be booed. He is ruining the NFL and the draft. This three day thing sucks and Adam Schefter just went black on Twitter, at the direction of the NFL. So lame.


It's Fisher I believe.

[pbmax]

Explorer. I will do that, thanks.

Explorer's newer versions are a vast improvement over previous ones but there aren't many extensions.

Firefox or Chrome will have extensions to auto-refresh and hold the tissue while you blow your nose during the draft.

[Fosco33]

Lol. whizzinator makes the thread

[Rastak]

Read it already.

[pbmax]

can't find any Packers radio stations on tune-in streaming the draft. anybody know stations i can try?

Where are you gary?

[Rastak]

Fisher it is:

STRENGTHS: Balanced athlete. Nimble feet and plays with excellent coordination and length for a 6-7, 305-pound blocker. Fisher is a smooth mover in any direction and does a nice job breaking down in space to handle speed rushers, showing the eye discipline to mirror defenders. He has added "good" weight the past few years and players with a strong frame and core.
Fisher is a fiery competitor and plays with more pop than expected, delivering power in the run game. But he looks comfortable in pass protection and has worked hard to improve his technique and instincts at the position. Proved more than capable of handling the "jump" in competition in Mobile, establishing himself as the elite prospect at any position to play in the 2013 Senior Bowl.

WEAKNESSES: Lacks elite upper- and lower-body strength. When he was beaten during Senior Bowl practices it was normally by bull rushers able to get into his pads and drive him backward. Naturally because of his height, Fisher will allow his pads to rise at times and can be walked backwards because he doesn't have a stout anchor. Didn't face many NFL-caliber pass rushers while at Central Michigan.

Compares to: Nate Solder, OT, New England Patriots -- Like Solder, Fisher's height can make him vulnerable to undersized power rushers. His length, power and impressive athleticism, however, certainly suggest that Pro Bowls could be in his future as a prototypical blind-side pass protector in today's NFL.

[red]

wow

a mac player goes #1

anyways, central sucks, GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[red]

when was the last time a mid major or lower went #1?

i remember when randy moss went in the first, that was HUGE for the MAC

[pbmax]

wow

a mac player goes #1

anyways, central sucks, GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone Tweeted that Smith will be the first QB to be protected by two MAC tackles (first round) ever. Or something convoluted like that. Not sure if that was 49ers tackle and now this year, or two MAC guys on the Chefs.

[Rastak]

when was the last time a mid major or lower went #1?

i remember when randy moss went in the first, that was HUGE for the MAC


Not sure but it's pretty amazing. And not even a QB.

[red]

Someone Tweeted that Smith will be the first QB to be protected by two MAC tackles (first round) ever. Or something convoluted like that. Not sure if that was 49ers tackle and now this year, or two MAC guys on the Chefs.

joe staley was also a central guys

the school sucks, but hey sure know how to put out LT's

[Fritz]

Not sure but it's pretty amazing. And not even a QB.

The draft started twenty minutes ago and they've made one pick? Yawn.

[pbmax]

joe staley was also a central guys

the school sucks, but hey sure know how to put out LT's

Have you been to Kazoo to see the Broncos red?

[pbmax]

The draft started twenty minutes ago and they've made one pick? Yawn.

There were five minutes of booing which Rodger stopped by referencing the bombings (both cooking apparel and fertilizer varieties).

[red]

i remember going to a house party back in the day in k-zoo after the western -central game. where it was the whole central team (we were there because a couple of us knew a central player from high school). somehow the whole team didn't go back to mt. pleasant or to a hotel, so the team just partied like crazy in some shitty house in the student ghetto

that was back before both schools started pumping out pro players

[Rastak]

Jags get Joeckel

STRENGTHS: Possesses the prototypical build for today's left tackles with a relatively lean, tapered build, long arms and a thick lower half.
Smooth out of his stance in pass protection. Eases back and catches the defender easily, showing excellent lateral agility and balance to handle speed and counter-moves, as well as the core strength to absorb the bull rush.

Plays with excellent fundamentals. Keeps his knees bent, butt down and both his head and hands up. Alert. Recognizes stunts and zone-blitzes efficiently and without panic.

Demonstrates rare poise when initially beaten, showing a late burst and quick, strong hands to recover rather than simply become a turn-stile. Quick off the snap when run-blocking, demonstrating not only the burst to gain the advantage over defensive linemen in short-yardage situations but the mobility to get to and block effectively at the second level.

Keeps his hands inside the defenders' chest plate and keeps his feet moving on contact, generating legal blocks with great effectiveness. Quick, effective cut-blocker.

Durable. Started all 37 games of his collegiate career, each at left tackle.

WEAKNESSES: Played with greater physicality in 2012, though he could still show a little more nastiness, allowing defenders to ease from his grasp after he has made the initial block rather than finishing the block to completely eliminate his opponent.

Will occasionally allow his hands to slip to the side or lower back of the defender when blocking on the move, though he shows good recognition to ease up when doing so to not draw the flag.

Nitpicking, but it deserves mention that Joeckel was protected a bit by blocking for two mobile quarterbacks (Ryan Tannehill, Johnny Manziel) over the past two years and therefore pass rushers may have had some containment responsibilities and not rushed upfield quite as feverishly as they would against a more stationary target.

COMPARES TO: Joe Thomas Cleveland Browns -- Like the Browns' star left tackle, Joeckel boasts a combination of size, strength and athleticism that will one day result in All-Pro status.

[pbmax]

Onion Sports
Eric Fisher currently only human being in country wearing Chiefs cap #NFLDraft

[red]

Have you been to Kazoo to see the Broncos red?

not since i graduated from there in 2000

jennings was either red shirted my last year of college, or a senior at central k-zoo high school. either way, i remember watching him play basketball when he was in high school

[Rastak]

not since i graduated from there in 2000


Was in Grand Rapids a couple of times, seemed like a nice town. Never hit Kalamazoo.

[Guiness]

I really can't see much happening to surprise anyone at the top of the draft. Talking heads trying to create some suspense saying 'Is this where Geno Smith goes?' I suspect they'll be saying that for the better part of the evening.

It's going to be Joekel. Write it down.

edit: typed too slow, they just made the pick, and Jax took Joekel.

[pbmax]

NFL Blogger for ATL Tweets

Falcons targeting Barkevious Mingo or Tyler Eifert in potential trade up, per @RapSheet #NFLDraft nfl.com/news/story/0ap…

[Rastak]

Rumor had Raiders dealing this pick perhaps.....

[red]

Onion Sports
Eric Fisher currently only human being in country wearing Chiefs cap #NFLDraft

LOL, probably true

[Rastak]

NFL Blogger for ATL Tweets

Falcons targeting Barkevious Mingo or Tyler Eifert in potential trade up, per @RapSheet #NFLDraft nfl.com/news/story/0ap…


Best name in sports since Baskerville Holmes.

[pbmax]

not since i graduated from there in 2000

jennings was either red shirted my last year of college, or a senior at central k-zoo high school. either way, i remember watching him play basketball when he was in high school


Was in Grand Rapids a couple of times, seemed like a nice town. Never hit Kalamazoo.

Ha! Red, I forgot you went to school there.

Have family nearby. There are some not pretty parts of Kazoo but the campus and the Stadium are in a nice spot.

[red]

Was in Grand Rapids a couple of times, seemed like a nice town. Never hit Kalamazoo.

grand rapids is awesome, i lived there for a couple years after college. lots of religious nuts, but other then that its a great area

great bars and breweries, so decent colleges, and close to some amazing beaches on lake michigan

its big, but not too big

[Rastak]

grand rapids is awesome, i lived there for a couple years after college. lots of religious nuts, but other then that its a great area

great bars and breweries, so decent colleges, and close to some amazing beaches on lake michigan


I had a friggen blast at the BOB, a brew pub near downtown.

I liked the town alot.

[Rastak]

Miami trades up!


Lions get screwed out of their LT.

[pittstang5]

So what's the best network to watch. I got NFL channel on now, may soon switch espn

[red]

Rumor had Raiders dealing this pick perhaps.....

good call

3 LT's in a row?

[pbmax]

Packers Draft Room, beehive of activity

http://nfl.packers.com/draft/2013/cam/image.jpg?time=1366936382

[pbmax]

Miami trades up!


Lions get screwed out of their LT.

And no Chefs trade for Albert

[pbmax]

The record for O lineman in a first round is 10. Might break that by pick 20.

[red]

Ha! Red, I forgot you went to school there.

Have family nearby. There are some not pretty parts of Kazoo but the campus and the Stadium are in a nice spot.

yeah, stay east and south of downtown. the rest sucks

[pbmax]

So what's the best network to watch. I got NFL channel on now, may soon switch espn

Mayock for the WIN

[red]

I had a friggen blast at the BOB, a brew pub near downtown.

I liked the town alot.

the BOB is my all time favorite bar EVER

[Rastak]

Wow, this suprises....

[red]

bit of a shocker

dion jordan going 3

[pbmax]

good call

3 LT's in a row?

Also, Joe Philbin and Reggie McKenzie just torched John Dorsey.

[Rastak]

Dion Jordan

Strengths: Rare athleticism for his size with loose hips and smooth footwork to move naturally in any direction. Looks like a basketball small forward in football pads with his tall, long frame and flexible joints, looking comfortable in space.
Fluid change of direction skills in his transition, quickly redirecting. Very good first step with natural bend and closing burst off the edge to flatten to the quarterback. Active and doesn't quit. Uses his length well with violent hand use, using quick mitts to make it tough for blockers to combat them.

Physical striker to separate man from ball with the arms to easily wrap and finish. Fiery demeanor and has a good head on his shoulders. Good awareness and experience lining up all over the defenses' front-7, even spending time covering the slot receiver and dropping in coverage. Still growing and sky is the limit with his athletic potential.

Weaknesses: Lean and lanky body type. Needs to add bulk to his frame and get stronger, but there are questions about how much weight he can add to his body. Lacks dominant upper body power to win with his hands. Still learning his pass rush moves and needs to develop in this area.

Needs to stay controlled, often overrunning the pocket or his intended target. Lacks experience putting his hand on the ground and rushing from a 3-point stance. Lacks a natural position and will be viewed as a defensive end by some and a strong-side linebacker by others.

Still raw in a lot of areas and will need time to grow at the next level. Strong durability concerns with various injuries over his career, notably a tender right shoulder that plagued him much of 2012. Only average production at Oregon with just 14.5 career sacks

Compares to: Chandler Jones, DE, New England Patriots - Although Jones is stronger and a bit more polished at this point in his development, scouts see that type of potential for Jordan plus he brings much more position versatility and upside.

[pbmax]

I read somewhere that the Dolphins liked him enough that they would not compromise and offer a higher 2nd round pick for Albert. I assume now that meant they were willing to give away picks to trade up

But still have a need on the OL

[Smeefers]

Man, is it weird that I'm currently excited that the draft is going on cause, well, FOOTBALL! WOOO! The girl is even leaving me alone. Sheesh.

[Rastak]

And no Chefs trade for Albert


That trade might be back on now.

[pbmax]

Now Reggie has to get his CB to drop to 12. DJ Hayden right?

[Rastak]

Now Reggie has to get his CB to drop to 12. DJ Hayden right?


Yea.....man I wish he'd fall to 23.

[pbmax]

That trade might be back on now.

Yep they still have the 34th pick.

[pbmax]

Peter King thinks Albert trade still happening with 34th pick this time now that Dolphins got their guy in the first

EDIT: Wrong pick. They still have #54

[Rastak]

Lane Johnson to the Eagles:

STRENGTHS: Johnson looks the part with a large frame and long arms (35"). He has quick feet to mirror and has an effortless kick-slide. Explosive off the snap and sets up quickly, using his extremely wide base to cover a large area. He digs his cleats in the turf and lowers his butt in pass protection with the strong upper body to control defenders.
Johnson does a nice job using his length to keep rushers at bay and uses his physical limbs to eliminate defenders with his nasty attitude. He has large, powerful hands and usually keeps his hands inside. Natural bender with flexible joints, contorting his frame and selling out for blocks. He locks out and seals defenders on the edge, doing a nice job engaging in space to create run lanes.

Has the competitive drive that scouts want for the position and the upside to continue to develop at the position

WEAKNESSES: Room to pack on some more muscle to his frame and strengthen his anchor. He will play undisciplined at times and overextend himself in space, caught hunched at the wait too often. Gets in trouble when he stops his feet and his technique needs refinement. He needs to keep his feet underneath him to better sustain and not fall off blocks.

Johnson needs to keep his eyes elevated in the run game and improve his blocking angles. He plays a tad mechanical and his hand placement can get sloppy at times. He has only played on the offensive line for two seasons and is still rough around the edges at times.

COMPARES TO: Joe Staley, OT, San Francisco 49ers - Johnson is taller and longer than Staley, but they have similar athletic backgrounds and the mobility that makes them impressive in pass protection and blocking on the move.

[Rastak]

No LT for the Lions.

Trade details The Raiders received the 12th and 42nd overall picks from the Dolphins in the deal.

[pbmax]

Move the Sticks has Lions trying to get out of the 5th pick

[red]

Move the Sticks has Lions trying to get out of the 5th pick

make em stay put ans panic

[pittstang5]

maybe cause I'm watching this alone, but this is boring

[Rastak]

Move the Sticks has Lions trying to get out of the 5th pick


I believe it - but is there a taker....ESPN ticker says Pick is In.

[pittstang5]

Ziggy Ansah?

[Freak Out]

RASTAK in the house! Welcome back you purple freak.

[Rastak]

Ziggy Ansah?

DE makes sense.

[red]

come on rodger

pick was in a few minutes ago

[Rastak]

RASTAK in the house! Welcome back you purple freak.


"Watch out where the Huskies go and don't you eat that yellow snow"

[red]

fuck yeah

barry was the man

[Rastak]

Ziggy! - They have a pretty decent DL even with the losses.

STRENGTHS: Rare combination of size, athleticism and natural power. Has a long, well-distributed frame with room for additional muscle mass without a significant loss of quickness. Flashes an explosive initial punch to the offensive lineman to gain space.
Possesses rare balance that allows him to maintain his feet despite taking long-strides that gobble up space between he and the quarterback with surprising speed. Balance and surprising lateral agility is also evident in changing directions. Has good -- not great -- strength but very good natural explosiveness to bull rush his opponent into the pocket.

Slips off blocks when the ball-carrier is near, latching on with his long arms and big hands for the drag-down tackle. Seemed to improve nearly game to game in 2012, especially when it came to locating the football. Began to sniff out screens and draws as the season wore on, demonstrating good awareness and hustle to complement his physical traits. Already shows excellent recognition and use of hands in pass defense, getting his hands up to knock down nine passes in 2012.

Possesses significant untapped potential and is an ascending talent whose best football is ahead of him.

WEAKNESSES: Lacks elite first-step quickness off the snap. Relies too much on his speed, size and an explosive first punch to shock his opponent with his initial surge, struggling to break free if the blocker grabs a hold of Ansah's jersey or chest plate.

Must learn to chop with his hands most consistently and powerfully to break free once engaged. Allows his pad level to rise and can be pushed back in the running game. Has only played football since 2010 and has just one season as a starter.

COMPARES TO: Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, New York Giants -- Ansah is not the same terror-off-the-edge pass-rusher that Pierre-Paul was coming out of South Florida, but he's similarly gifted and plays with greater commitment to the run. Like there was with Pierre-Paul, there is some risk factor with Ansah, but his upside is through the roof.

[pbmax]

BArry has to get a suit that fits.

From Every Day Should Be Saturday:

RT @edsbs My game notes on Ziggy Ansah are just quotes from HP Lovecraft and drawings of skulls and tentacles. That's a good thing.

[Rastak]

OK, Browns on the clock......


Pick is in.....

[Rastak]

BArry has to get a suit that fits.

From Every Day Should Be Saturday:

RT @edsbs My game notes on Ziggy Ansah are just quotes from HP Lovecraft and drawings of skulls and tentacles. That's a good thing.


They drafted Cthulhu? Yikes....

[pbmax]

maybe cause I'm watching this alone, but this is boring

They need less product endorsement and more alacrity.

[pbmax]

Packer Report on Lions Pick
Total projection for Lions. Being on turf should help. Told he has "no conception" how to play the game.

[Rastak]

Packer Report on Lions Pick
Total projection for Lions. Being on turf should help. Told he has "no conception" how to play the game.


People said the same thing about Pierre-Paul......we'll see I guess....hope he sucks.

[Fritz]

Move the Sticks has Lions trying to get out of the 5th pick

This round did not fall the way the Lions wanted it to. They were hoping one of the three offensive tackles would drop, and when they did not, they were trying to trade back.

So they took the very raw Ziggy Ansah. Jon Gruden or Ron Jaworski - the sound the same to me - is saying that this kid needs lots of work to be a pro. Not what the Lions really wanted to happen here.

BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Now watch them trade back into the end of the first round and give up a third rounder in order to over-reach on an offensive tackle or a safety.

[pbmax]

MINGO!

[Rastak]

Browns take Barkevious Mingo with Dion Jordan gone I guess.

Best name since Baskerville Holmes again I say

Strengths: Possesses a lean, athletic build with plenty of room for additional muscle mass. Has an explosive first step and the combination of flexibility and closing speed to exponentially add to his sack numbers in the more pass-happy NFL than he had while at LSU. Alert defender who will get his long arms into passing lanes when unable to get to the quarterback. More physical than his frame looks. Fights through blockers at the line of scrimmage to make plays in the running game and anchors surprisingly well given his lean lower half. Possesses as much upside as any prospect in the 2013 draft.
Weaknesses: Looks more like a small forward than an NFL defensive end and could be asked to make the transition to outside linebacker, a position he's never played. While possessing explosive straight-line speed, has very long legs, which make him less fluid when changing directions than ideal. Relies upon his burst upfield to beat pass blockers and simply hasn't developed the counter moves to complement his speed in three seasons of action, leading to some concerns that he won't.

Compares To: Bruce Irvin, DE, Seattle Seahawks -- Mingo is longer than Irvin and therefore possesses more athletic upside. Like Irvin, who led all rookies with eight sacks in 2012, Mingo's speed should result in eye-popping numbers immediately. He doesn't have an effective counter yet, however, and is a liability against the run, at this time.

[pbmax]

People said the same thing about Pierre-Paul......we'll see I guess....hope he sucks.

True. But JPP is the rare one that worked out in spades.

[red]

wow

[Fritz]

So far so good. I am hoping Boofalo and the Jest pass on the QB's so the Pack can trade back into the second round and get another third. Or maybe they'll trade back twice and get two more thirds to go with theirs.

You can tell I am drinking.

[pbmax]

RT @SBN_BillC: :-( :-( :-( RT @chrissolari: This is the first time that Barry Sanders ever followed three good offensive linemen.

[red]

So far so good. I am hoping Boofalo and the Jest pass on the QB's so the Pack can trade back into the second round and get another third. Or maybe they'll trade back twice and get two more thirds to go with theirs.

You can tell I am drinking.

so are the rest of us, so don't worry about it

[pbmax]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIvSnD-CcAM6UPL.jpg:large

[red]

RT @SBN_BillC: :-( :-( :-( RT @chrissolari: This is the first time that Barry Sanders ever followed three good offensive linemen.

lol

imagine barry behind the same line emit had

[pbmax]

ABrandt
Barkevious's father is Hugh and brother is Hughtavious. Carry on.

[Rastak]

so are the rest of us, so don't worry about it


Goose Island IPA

[red]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIvSnD-CcAM6UPL.jpg:large

FUCK ME

i see three asshole with deer in the headlights looks on their faces

[Rastak]

ABrandt
Barkevious's father is Hugh and brother is Hughtavious. Carry on.


Awesome

[pbmax]

Peter King predicts Cooper (or tips it) for cArds

[red]

Goose Island IPA

just rum and diet coke here

i'm trying to lose weight

[Rastak]

Cards snatch a guard......Johnathon Cooper


STRENGTHS: Cooper is a smooth, coordinated athlete with fluid footwork and outstanding balance, blocking well on the move and constantly getting to the second level. He is an extremely effortless mover with explosive quickness in tight quarters, and is just as effective moving to his left or right. While slighter shorter than scouts would prefer, Cooper has long arms and plays with a wide base, anchoring effectively. Standout high school wrestler who understands leverage and blocking angles. Flashes some nastiness and responds well to physical challenges. Has the quickness, balance and football intelligence to handle converting to center, should his future NFL employer need help at this position. His athleticism makes him ideally suited to a zone-blocking scheme. Durable. Four-year starter.
WEAKNESSES: Cooper lacks overpowering strength and can be pushed into the pocket by bigger, stronger defensive tackles when he allows his pad level to rise. Was prone to an occasional slipped block and/or needless penalty earlier in his career, though he showed much more consistency as a senior. Underwent shoulder surgery before his senior season, which will have to be checked out by team doctors.

COMPARES TO: Rodney Hudson, OC, Kansas City Chiefs -- Possessing the rare combination of balance, agility and durability that helped Hudson earn the Jacobs Blocking Trophy as a left guard back in 2010, Cooper ranks as one of 2013's safest prospects and a future Pro Bowl contender at whichever of the three interior line positions his future NFL team most needs help.

[red]

so, 4 o-lineman, and 3 edge rushers taken in first 7 picks

[Rastak]

OK, Bills take Nassib or try and trade back to get him later?

[RashanGary]

Hey Rastak, everyone. . . . . . Time for the NFCN to get better.

[Fritz]

Wow. They liked him better than Womack. To me, Womack is that plug-n-play guy you get every decade or so, like when you fleece Ron Wolf and get your quarterbackl from him and swap some picks, and while Ron's picking a bust of a DE, you're picking Steve Hutchinson.

Yes, I'm still bitter.

[red]

OK, Bills take Nassib or try and trade back to get him later?

theres your answer

trade down and pick him up in a bit

tavon austin going off the board

[Fritz]

Pass on the QB's! So the Pack can trade back!

[Rastak]

OK, my question is answered.....Rams move up for Austin I would guess (sorry Jets) and Bills grab Nassib mid round.


Edit: what Red said, he types faster.

[red]

Wow. They liked him better than Womack. To me, Womack is that plug-n-play guy you get every decade or so, like when you fleece Ron Wolf and get your quarterbackl from him and swap some picks, and while Ron's picking a bust of a DE, you're picking Steve Hutchinson.

Yes, I'm still bitter.

hey, i'm fine with it, just as long as warmack keeps falling all the way to 26

[pbmax]

Wow. They liked him better than Womack. To me, Womack is that plug-n-play guy you get every decade or so, like when you fleece Ron Wolf and get your quarterbackl from him and swap some picks, and while Ron's picking a bust of a DE, you're picking Steve Hutchinson.

Yes, I'm still bitter.

Talking heads have said Coper will be a more natural pass blocker.

[pbmax]

Jeff Darlington
The Rams felt they could sell the Bills on the trade because it would keep Tavon Austin out of the AFC East since Jets could take him at 9.

[red]

OK, my question is answered.....Rams move up for Austin I would guess (sorry Jets) and Bills grab Nassib mid round.


Edit: what Red said, he types faster.

i think the bills should try and trade back again

NO qb is worth a first rounder this year IMO

but the bills are nuts, and the coach has a history with him

[Rastak]

Austin to Rams - 174lb receiver isn't a Harvin clone.....

STRENGTHS: Video game-like athleticism with rare change of direction skills. Lateral explosion is something special, doing an excellent job sticking his foot in the ground and bursting in any direction.
Knows how to change gears and turn on the jets to blow by others on the field. Very good start/stop ability with patience and vision to quickly survey and waste little time creating, always appearing to have a plan. Goes zero-to-60 in a flash and forces poor angles by defenders, following blocks and anticipating holes to set up his moves.

Very good space player and extremely shifty and elusive with the balance and deceiving strength to stay on his feet through contact. Smaller target for defenders to square up and a tough ballcarrier to tackle in motion. Good body control to make tough catches look easy with quick hands to pluck. Fearless and confident going up for the ball. Tough, gutsy and can take a hit, working hard to get every yard.

Versatile skill-set with experience all over the offense at running back and receiver, often used as a decoy. Dangerous return man and very good at weaving through defenders, playing with different gears that others on the field just don't have. Extremely productive with numerous school records, including career catches and all-purpose yards.

WEAKNESSES: Smallish frame and limited length with obvious durability concerns due to size. Will dance too much and get caught going east-west too much or in reverse, getting himself in trouble always looking for the home run. Smaller hands and will have some drops and double-catches, sometimes looking to create before securing the grab.

Strong effort as a blocker, but obviously limited in this area and can be tossed by defenders when they get their hands on him. Probably relegated to the slot at the next level. Too much all-or-nothing runs.

Compares To: Jordy Nelson, Packers -- Allen is very similar in that he possesses just enough straight-line speed to beat defenders on the outside. He wins with the size, toughness and sure hands to attack over the middle.

[red]

dudes mom is like 5 inches taller then he is. what happened there?

[Rastak]

i think the bills should try and trade back again

NO qb is worth a first rounder this year IMO

but the bills are nuts, and the coach has a history with him


Agreed.....wtf. I'm agreeing with Red left and right?

[red]

Agreed.....wtf. I'm agreeing with Red left and right?

its the alcohol

[pbmax]

Mike Tanier
Jets on clock, Geno Smith on board, 7th seal looking a little unadhesive.

[Rastak]

Great player Austin, but if someone gets a clean shot on him and he'll fly off the field into the 3rd row.

[red]

Austin to Rams - 174lb receiver isn't a Harvin clone.....

tavon austin

Compares To: Jordy Nelson, Packers -- Allen is very similar in that he possesses just enough straight-line speed to beat defenders on the outside. He wins with the size, toughness and sure hands to attack over the middle.

?????????????????????

[pbmax]

NFL

This is what is known as a haul. #NFLDraft RT @NFL_ATL: Bills receive No. 16, No. 46, No. 78 and No. 222. Rams receive Tavon Austin, No. 71

[Rastak]

Jets would be smart to grab Hayden or Milliner.

[Rastak]

NFL

This is what is known as a haul. #NFLDraft RT @NFL_ATL: Bills receive No. 16, No. 46, No. 78 and No. 222. Rams receive Tavon Austin, No. 71


Wow, that rocks for Buffalo.

[Fritz]

its the alcohol

So are the Bills going to feel all justified now when they take Vagino Smith, since they've moved back now to get him?

[Rastak]

?????????????????????


Well, he's a white fellow of similar size......err wait.....

[pbmax]

Clay just Tweeted this vid of family watching a former Browns OLB.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW2qptcnI1c

[Fritz]

NFL

This is what is known as a haul. #NFLDraft RT @NFL_ATL: Bills receive No. 16, No. 46, No. 78 and No. 222. Rams receive Tavon Austin, No. 71

Now we know why the Rams suck.

[red]

well time for this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98

[gbgary]

I was hoping for a d or o line stud but at this rate there won't be any left.

[pbmax]

Sitton is Tweeting Ted just told him who the Pack want to pick

[RashanGary]

Could you imagine if the Packers drafted a 180 pound football player with our first round pick, haha. . . Oh man, this place would be a friggin mad-house.

[Fritz]

NFL

This is what is known as a haul. #NFLDraft RT @NFL_ATL: Bills receive No. 16, No. 46, No. 78 and No. 222. Rams receive Tavon Austin, No. 71

This is what the Lions wanted. BAHAHAHAHA!!!

[Rastak]

Jets grab Milliner....makes sense.....

STRENGTHS: Built well for the position. Plays with excellent coordination and smooth hips, using his arms and hands to knock down throws. Excellent awareness and read/react ability, getting his head turned and uses his eyes well to quickly find the ball.
Attacks the run and is a very good tackler, never backing down. He is a bruising hitter and does a nice job separating ball from receiver with terrific timing. Plays tight bump-and-run and enjoys pressing with little cushion. Closes quickly and baits throws, looking to make a play on each snap.

Smart and disciplined, but not shy about coming off his man to make a play. Physical striker and does a nice job avoiding blocks while keeping his eye on the ball. He processes information quickly and looks comfortable in space.

WEAKNESSES: Lacks elite speed and quick-twitch ability. Plays too aggressive at times and will take himself out of the play, missing some tackles. Has just one full season as a starter. Needs to refine some of his cover technique, most notably his backpedal.

COMPARES TO: Charles Tillman, CB, Chicago Bears -- Similar size and ballhawking ability when the ball is in the air.

[pbmax]

Chase Stuart Bills/Rams trade
Assuming it's 8/71 for 16/46/78/222, Bills received 118% of what they gave up (my chart) but nearly perfectly even according to JJ chart

[red]

I was hoping for a d or o line stud but at this rate there won't be any left.

4 o-lineman went that we knew wouldn't be there when we pick

all the DE's that have gone are small guys that would have to be OLB's for us

the d-line studs for us are still around. starr is still on the board and falling, very good for us

[Rastak]

Chase Stuart Bills/Rams trade
Assuming it's 8/71 for 16/46/78/222, Bills received 118% of what they gave up (my chart) but nearly perfectly even according to JJ chart


Thought the JJ chart was considered outdated......wonder if some teams still use it.

[Fritz]

well time for this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98

There's only one thing you can say: DOH!!!

[Rastak]

4 o-lineman went that we knew wouldn't be there when we pick

all the DE's that have gone are small guys that would have to be OLB's for us

the d-line studs for us are still around. starr is still on the board and falling, very good for us


He might be worth trading up for.

[Fritz]

4 o-lineman went that we knew wouldn't be there when we pick

all the DE's that have gone are small guys that would have to be OLB's for us

the d-line studs for us are still around. starr is still on the board and falling, very good for us

I agree, Red. The only way it can get better is if Floyd and Star keep falling, and if the Bills and everyone else passes on the QB's.

[pbmax]

Thought the JJ chart was considered outdated......wonder if some teams still use it.

It is esp with new slotted cap numbers for draft picks. But its not as bad as you would think. Huge contracts made the top of the draft hard to get out of and rendered JJ's chart terrible in ROund 1. Its kind of gotten MORE accurate now that the first 8 picks are no longer burdensome contracts.

Chase did his own chart. He used to write the blog for NFL Pro Football Reference

[pbmax]

We really need another Jet fan meltdown. Those clips are getting old.

[Rastak]

Womack or a new Shariff?

[Rastak]

Maybe Raiders grab Hayden after this pick.

[Rastak]

Titans grab Warmack

STRENGTHS: Warmack is considerably lighter on his feet than one would expect given his stout frame, and is adept at meeting and eliminating linebackers at the second level.
In pass protection, Warmack does a nice job of supplying an initial punch and grasping hold of his opponent, showing good lateral agility to slide as well as the anchor to handle powerful bull-rushers.

Warmack is equally effective when asked to drive defensive tackles off the ball or beat linebackers to the action at the second level.

WEAKNESSES: Due to his lack of height, Warmack may lack the position versatility of his more recognizable linemates Barrett Jones and D.J. Fluker, but he is further along in his development than Fluker and, frankly, makes more eye-popping blocks than Jones. Size means that he'll be relegated strictly to interior blocking in the NFL.

COMPARES TO: Will Shields, OG, Kansas City Chiefs -- Let's be clear, no incoming rookie truly deserves comparison to a first ballot Hall of Famer, but Warmack is a rare prospect. While perhaps a tad shorter than ideal, Warmack uses his natural leverage advantage to consistently get under the pads of his opponents, driving them off of the ball in the running game and anchoring in pass protection. His lateral agility and balance make him effective getting to and blocking at the second level and handling quicker pass rushers, as well.

He has a long way to go before threatening Shields' record of 231 consecutive starts in the NFL, but proved durable in the SEC, starting every game the past three seasons.

[pbmax]

Womack

[RashanGary]

When Mike Mayock says a guy can play press coverage, understands and plays zone coverage, tackles, and is physically gifted like Milliner, I gotta think he's going to be a helluva player. What else is there besides man, zone and tackling for a corner? Doesn't bother me that he doesn't have ball skills. If he can shut down his side of the field and play all variations of coverage, he helps you keep your playbook open. It sucks to be a team (like us) that can't play zone coverage without getting shredded or a team that can't play man. You have to be able to mix it up. Miliner looks awesome to me.

[Rastak]

Womack

Lots of OL.....crazy

[pbmax]

Warmack had 40 pancake blocks last year but allowed 3.5 sacks.

[red]

He might be worth trading up for.

star is the one guy in the first round that i know would be a good fit for our 3-4

[Cheesehead Craig]

Womack

Just sounds like a sound effect from a comic book.

[pbmax]

When Mike Mayock says a guy can play press coverage, understands and plays zone coverage, tackles, and is physically gifted like Milliner, I gotta think he's going to be a helluva player. What else is there besides man, zone and tackling for a corner? Doesn't bother me that he doesn't have ball skills. If he can shut down his side of the field and play all variations of coverage, he helps you keep your playbook open. It sucks to be a team (like us) that can't play zone coverage without getting shredded or a team that can't play man. You have to be able to mix it up. Miliner looks awesome to me.

Pretty extensive injury history

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/cornerbacks-and-safeties-at-a-glance-rt9i5i1-204405151.html

[pbmax]

via KareemCopeland
#hehehe RT @ChrisJohnson28: THANK GOD

[red]

wow, little early for fluker i thought

[pbmax]

Fluker. Is that 3 Bama in a row?

[Rastak]

Chargers take Fluker - Cowboys are bummed. - wow OL gone wild.....


STRENGTHS: Powerful run blocker. Fluker's combination of size and power make him a formidable prospect who should only get better. While he disappointed scouts by electing not to participate in the Senior Bowl (citing lingering calf, groin injuries), Fluker's incredibly impressive frame left scouts drooling. Despite weighing in 20 pounds heavier than he'd been listed at Alabama, Fluker showed impressive overall weight distribution, long limbs (including 36.38" arms) and shockingly little flab in his middle. Powerful hands. Is capable of latching on and controlling pass rushers. Passionate player who was regarded as a emotional leader for the Tide... For a drive-blocking, power-based scheme, Fluker ranks as the top right tackle prospect in the draft.
WEAKNESSES: At his size, Fluker is strictly a right tackle or perhaps even a guard prospect as he hasn't demonstrated the agility or balance necessary to handle NFL speed rushers on a consistent basis. Even as a run blocker -- his specialty -- Fluker has a tendency to drop his head and stop his feet as he makes contact, resulting in some of his more talented opponents being able to disengage.

Compares to: James Carpenter, Seahawks -- Due to his massive size and upside, Fluker will often earn comparisons to former Alabama standout Andre Smith, who the Cincinnati Bengals made the No. 6 overall pick of the 2009 draft. In reality, a fairer comparison is to former teammate Carpenter, who also earned a first-round selection (No. 25) in 2011 by the Seattle Seahawks.

[Rastak]

NFL network talking Shariff Floyd for Raiders.....I would think Hayden possible too.

[RashanGary]

14 more players coming off the board before us. Star Loutalali, Sharif Floyd, and Sheldon Richardson all on the board still. Three DT's predicted to go really high left after 11 picks.

[red]

Fluker. Is that 3 Bama in a row?

yup, lets hope lacey goes next so we don't have to hear about him going or not goint to us

[3irty1]

So far I've got to say this is going awesome for us.

[The Shadow]

Would not be at all surpriased to see Geno Smith fall completely out of the 1st round.

[pbmax]

14 more players coming off the board before us. Star Loutalali, Sharif Floyd, and Sheldon Richardson all on the board still. Three DT's predicted to go really high left after 11 picks.

Sheldon was going to Carolina in Mayocks mock. If they want one, they need to get into the middle of this round. San Fran looking to move up too.

[Smeefers]

Would not be at all surpriased to see Geno Smith fall completely out of the 1st round.

Agreed. The only reason he goes in the first round is that means a team can sign him for 5 years.

[Rastak]

Would not be at all surpriased to see Geno Smith fall completely out of the 1st round.

I think someone would trade back to the ass end of round one if they (Smith/Barkley) fall.....

[red]

no real head scratchers so far

[RashanGary]

Hey, smeefers. . . . Hopefully the Packers get someone bad-ass today, eh?

[Rastak]

no real head scratchers so far


Al Davis died.

[pbmax]

Reggie gets his corner.

[RashanGary]

13 more picks, 3 big-time DT's still on the board.

[red]

lol

so much for floyd to the raiders

sorry ras

[Rastak]

I thought they might grab Hayden....awesome CB


STRENGTHS: Fluid athlete with the agility and speed to effectively remain in the hip pocket of receivers. He breaks on the ball quickly and has shown natural ball skills, intercepting six passes in just 23 games, returning two of his four interceptions this past season for long touchdowns. Excellent top-end speed (clocked as low as 4.33 in the 40 at Houston's pro day). Combined with good height at 5-11, Hayden has the tools to develop into a true No. 1 corner. Excellent overall athlete who also boasts a 33.5-inch vertical jump and 10-foot broad jump.
WEAKNESSES: Hayden has been fully cleared by doctors, but a life-threating experience will still give some teams caution. Lacks much experience against elite competition and will have a significant learning curve in the NFL.

[pbmax]

Al Davis died.

Redskins have't picked yet either.

[3irty1]

Saw that commin'

[red]

guys an internal bleeder, you don't want one of those guys

[red]

Redskins have't picked yet either.

jets up next

they're due to piss off the crowd

maybe they'll take matt barkley

barkley= sanchez IMO

[Smeefers]

Hey, smeefers. . . . Hopefully the Packers get someone bad-ass today, eh?

Dude, I am absolutely clueless who we're going to take. The best thing I got is some OL/DL/RB/S hybrid.

[3irty1]

guys an internal bleeder, you don't want one of those guys

Sounds like its the freakest injury ever. Usually only seen in car accidents. Only living guy to ever have this happen to him.

[pbmax]

You want a Defensive surprise? Carolina needs a D lineman ...

The farther Sharrif Floyd falls, the better chance Sheldon Richardson starts approaching #Packers territory. Still unlikely, but...

would push Sheldon Richardson to pick 15 or lower. I think the Saints need a guy to play line in 3-4 though.

[pbmax]

Packer Report
On Hayden, Packers scout Alonzo Highsmith said this at pro day (re: injury): "It's the most unique injury in the history of the draft."

[Rastak]

You want a Defensive surprise? Carolina needs a D lineman ...

The farther Sharrif Floyd falls, the better chance Sheldon Richardson starts approaching #Packers territory. Still unlikely, but...

would push Sheldon Richardson to pick 15 or lower. I think the Saints need a guy to play line in 3-4 though.

He falls a little farther I'd advocate the Vikings dropping down and taking him.

[RashanGary]

Jarvis Jones? ? ? Guy went from being the #1 player in college football after the games were played to slipping now. . . . . . Medical situations are real, but guy is a stud.

[3irty1]

You want a Defensive surprise? Carolina needs a D lineman ...

The farther Sharrif Floyd falls, the better chance Sheldon Richardson starts approaching #Packers territory. Still unlikely, but...

would push Sheldon Richardson to pick 15 or lower. I think the Saints need a guy to play line in 3-4 though.

They need an OLB evern worse. still some good ones there too.

[Rastak]

Jarvis Jones? ? ? Guy went from being the #1 player in college football after the games were played to slipping now. . . . . . Medical situations are real, but guy is a stud.


He is.

[RashanGary]

Nick Collins would be nice. He could play safety and runningback for us :)

[3irty1]

I think Floyd will go then guys will trade up for star and sheldon. Start a bit of a run.

[Rastak]

Jets grab Sheldon Richardson (sheist)


STRENGTHS: Possesses a naturally large frame with proper weight distribution throughout his arms and legs. Has a thick trunk conducive to standing his ground in short-yardage situations.
Is quick off the snap, demonstrating the burst to slip through gaps before trap blocks can be effective. Possesses a short area burst to close and surprising flexibility to adjust and make tackles in space. Shows good balance and recognition against cut blocks. Active hands to handcuff offensive linemen attempting to get into his pads and control, demonstrating a quick, fluid arm-over swim move and good strength to rip free from his opponent.

Excellent vision and recognition to take advantage of his ability to disengage from blocks and put himself in position to make plays, showing the ability to sniff out screens, draws, etc. Athletic and instinctive enough that the Missouri defensive coaches would occasionally drop him back into coverage on zone blitzes.

Showed a terrific motor throughout the 2012 season, often hustling down the line and yards downfield (at times 20 yards+) in pursuit of the ball. Closes quickly and with power, exploding into tackles and showing good hand-eye coordination to strip the ball away. Stepped up his level of play against top competition (Alabama, South Carolina, Florida, Arizona State). Has the size and athleticism of a future Pro Bowl defensive tackle.

WEAKNESSES: Has only had one dominant season at the FBS level (just 13 starts in 24 games) and there is some concern about how motivated he'll remain once he signs a big NFL contract. Has a tendency to stand up out of his stance and lose the leverage battle, occasionally struggling to break free until it's too late in short-yardage situations.

More productive rushing the passer, recognizing the dump-off pass and pursuing from behind with passion than actually getting home for the QB sack (just three sacks in his "dominant" 2012 campaign). Has struggled with academics in the past, resulting in his transferring to a junior college after signing with Missouri as a highly touted prep. Was also suspended for Missouri's final home game of the 2012 season (Syracuse) for violating team rules, reportedly for academics).

Teams had their medical staffs check out Richardson at the Combine, as he underwent shoulder surgery following the 2011 season.

Compares To: Tyson Alualu, DT, Jacksonville Jaguars - If NFL scouts are convinced he'll maintain it once he cashes his first paycheck, the combination of size, athleticism and the high-revving motor Richardson demonstrated this season could lead to a shockingly high grade for Mizzou star, just as it did for Alualu, the surprise No. 10 overall pick of the 2010 draft.

[RashanGary]

12 picks, 2 DT's and one 1 Jarvis Jones remaining.

[pbmax]

There goes Sheldon. Jets have NO offense.

[red]

not good for us

star and floyd still on the board. starting to get my hopes up too high for star

only halfway to our pick

[3irty1]

I think Floyd will go then guys will trade up for star and sheldon. Start a bit of a run.

Or you know. Backwards.

[Rastak]

Carolina just submitted the pick.....Floyd? Lotulelie?

[Smeefers]

I love listening to the NFL.com crew. They sit and talk about who the team needs and mention every single player... except the one who gets picked and then Akbar Gbajamia goes "wow, I didn't see that coming."

[pbmax]

Aaron Schatz
So, wait. Is Sheldon Richardson the nose tackle now? There's no room for him at 5-tech with Coples and Wilkerson.

[pbmax]

smartfootball
Not saying Geno will be as good a QB as Aaron Rodgers, but he's already close to Rodgers in terms of natural grimacing ability