THE draft thread (2013 version)

[Rastak]

Broncos take Sylvester Williams

STRENGTHS: Possesses a naturally large, thick build. Possesses a very quick first step and a lethal swim move (both arms, if necessary) to slip past interior linemen. Varies his burst off the snap, lulling his opponent into relaxing and can make the explosive tackle behind the line of scrimmage before the ball-carrier has had time to make his first cut.
Good strength for the bull rush. Has the strength to rip his arms free to disengage and shows a quick, closing burst. Very good strength for the drag-down tackle as ballcarriers attempt to run by him. Versatile. Asked to line up on the nose, defensive tackle and even out wide, showing the ability to hold up to double-teams. Improving awareness versus screens, draws. Good pursuit to the edge. Has only played football for five years and appears to be an ascending player.

WEAKNESSES: Struggles with consistency. Can make the flashy play and then disappear for long stretches. Relies on his swim move to slip past the defender but has only average flexibility, which forces him to turn his back to "get skinny." When doing so, Williams often loses sight of the ball, actually helping his opponent create easy lanes, at times.

Lack of ideal flexibility and awareness is also evident against cut-blocks, as he is often knocked to the ground and has only average quickness in getting back up to get himself back into the play. While he shows good pursuit to the edge, Williams loses steam quickly and doesn't give much effort downfield.

COMPARES TO: Gerard Warren, DT, New England Patriots -- Like the 12-year veteran of the NFL trenches, Williams possesses precisely the combination of size, power, and burst to dominate the middle. The question for scouts will be if he has the work ethic to dominate consistently.

[rbaloha1]

I pay no attention to college ball so I've never heard of jones but his high lights showed someone who's very quick. I like that.

with good pad level. also is a one gapper that disrupts option attacks.

[wist43]

There will be mudders in round two wist; this was a great pick. Watch him a bit more. Can't ignore his consistentent penetration and tackles for losses. Good Talent Here

I watched more of Jones than other guys b/c I figured he'd be TT's pick...

You watch his "good" plays... and you'd be happy with the pick in the first round. Put on a reel of his bad tape, and he looks like a lazy piece of shit out there.

[Rastak]

i'm sure plenty of teams are willing to trade down

thats a big move up though

maybe for a first next year?

Like you say, a big move. I'd wait myself.

[Rastak]

Someone mentions Walter Football

2013 NFL Draft Individual Grades:

23. Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida: A+ Grade
Wow, I forgot Sharrif Floyd was available. I feel like some of the other teams like the Bears, Giants and Cowboys did as well. This is the best pick in the 2013 NFL Draft thus far. Floyd is a stud interior pass-rusher who could have easily gone No. 3 to the Raiders. But as we see every year, great prospects fall because dumb teams are picking at the top of the draft.

Follow @walterfootball for updates.

25. Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State: B Grade
Xavier Rhodes was mocked as early as No. 12 throughout this process, so he definitely provides good value at No. 25. However, the Vikings run the type of defense that allows teams to pass on corners in the first round. Minnesota probably should have filled other needs like receiver. That said, this is still a solid selection because Rhodes could be considered the best player available.

[red]

Your prototype 3-4 DE is 6'5" 290lbs. See JJ Watt or Richard Seymore coming out. This kid fits well at DE for us.

no, the small 3-4 DE's are 290. those two are rare exceptions

[rbaloha1]

trade raji.

get williams

[pbmax]

Wait a minute. Did McGinn or Dunne pick Datone? One of them picked Lacy.

Thompson did get calls about trading down. But when pick came up, they were happy to take the kid.

[RashanGary]

Ted surprised the opportunity to take Jones was still there. It's always good when Ted says that. Means he had him rated highly.

[red]

with good pad level. also is a one gapper that disrupts option attacks.

but this talks about how his pad level is shit

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/datone-jones?id=2539325

[gbpackfan]

Vikings make the trade. CATFISH!!!!!!!!!!

[Rastak]

Wow, Vikes did go back into the first round.....

[3irty1]

Whooooooo Reel in that catfish!!!

[RashanGary]

Had a couple of players they felt were legitimate at that spot
Burst, very good ability to close, impressive how he can play square

[Carolina_Packer]

They have no MLB period. Gotta get one in round 2 and get a wr in 3 .......I like their picks alot.....but I sure wish they could get Robert Woods......eo

Hey Rastak! I saw people were looking for you on the board. Good to hear from you again. I think the Vikes are back in the 1st to get Teo. Good luck. I like the kid. 2, 3, 4 and 7 is expensive. Could be Patterson too.

[Rastak]

Holy shit - Vikes paid through the snoot......

[red]

well, vikings draft is over

[RashanGary]

Early in the draft focused as much on quality as you can.

[3irty1]

Holy shit. HERSHAL CATFISH!!!

[rbaloha1]

but this talks about how his pad level is shit

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/datone-jones?id=2539325

look good on tape. you can not have poor pad level and be able to penetrate

[Fosco33]

2, 3, 4 and 7 to NE for chance at Manti, "Catfish"

Hahahahaha

[Packgator]

well, vikings draft is over

So is their next few seasons.

[gbpackfan]

Not CATFISH

[red]

laconfora says its WR patterson

[Bretsky]

DEAR MNNNNNNNNNNNnnn.................PLZ pick Tao and neglect your WR position

[Fosco33]

Hoodie genius

[gbpackfan]

Report is that it is C. Patterson. WR, wow, a lot of picks for a WR

[pbmax]

So is their next few seasons.

I dunno. Spielman seems to know what he is doing. The needed a LB

[rbaloha1]

look good on tape. you can not have poor pad level and be able to penetrate

"Really talented, makes like a great play and then you won't see him for a couple quarters. Quick off the ball, good club move, good pad level. But he danced too much and wasn't a consistent shedder. He'd get tied up with guys, and that bothered me a lot. More avoid than take-on. More of an athlete than a power guy."

from another scout.

[pbmax]

Yep Jason LaC has that too

The Vikings have selected Patterson, WR. So no Manti there

[red]

that seems a lot to give up for a guy that i go "eh" to

good, but not great

[digitaldean]

Vikes traded a 2nd, 3rd, 4th and a 7th to get Pats' No 1 (29th)_ pick. Wow that's pretty expensive move up.

[red]

OMG

fuck you and your sentamental bull shit

YOUR A FUCKING FOOTBALL NETWORK, NOT THE DRAMA CHANNEL

[pbmax]

Patriots acquire following picks: No. 52, No. 83, No. 102 and No. 229 from Vikings

[rbaloha1]

look good on tape. you can not have poor pad level and be able to penetrate

STRENGTHS Versatile lineman that can fit in an odd or even front. Fires off the ball with impressive pad level and is often able to shock the offensive lineman with a quick jolt. Use active hands to disengage quickly. If he cannot disengage, he keeps his arms extended. Maintains the line by keeping his body leaning forward. Difficult for running backs to avoid him in tight quarters, keeps his feet moving while wrapping up. Shows surprising bend and agility to break down and make tackles in space and to contain when given that assignment. Gives chase to ballcarriers outside the box when fresh. Churns toward the quarterback and keeps his hands active to encroach until the ball is away. Vocal leader on the field.

[Bretsky]

It's now official... the 2-whatever is now our base Def.

This guy is CJ Wilson.

CJ Wilson is a limited talent guy with very minimal upside; this guy has huge upside...19.5 tackles for losses last year....legit pass rushing force. Great Pick

[RashanGary]

Well, if you listen to TT, Datone Jones sounds like a pretty complete player.

Great guy, hard worker, smart, played NT, DT, 5-tech, DE, plays square, has burst, closes hard. . . . .

Knowing what I know about football, that's a pretty complete package. It sounds more similar to when we picked Josh Sitton than BJ Raji. Raji, TT talked about unusual power. . . With Sitton he talked about how he did everything on the field well. . . . Just off the top, the things he said, it reminds me of the Greg Jennings and Josh Sitton picks. TT just said he does everything well, he's a player.

He also seems very, very safe. Productive, athletic, hard worker, smart, natural playmaker. . . . No holes in this guy.

[red]

i think mayock looks so good because he knows what the picks are 20 minutes before they get announced

[rbaloha1]

Yep Jason LaC has that too

The Vikings have selected Patterson, WR. So no Manti there

maybe to the ravens?

viqueens must view patterson like julio jones

[red]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn

[gbpackfan]

Rodger is trying to make himself look good. He is such an ambulance chasing slime-ball. I really can't stand him. Can we get back to the draft please!

[Packgator]

I dunno. Spielman seems to know what he is doing. The needed a LB

Floyd is a turd. And Patterson isn't worth the cost.

[Joemailman]

Patterson has a lot of talent, and a lot of bad habits. He'll need to be receptive to coaching to excel.

[rbaloha1]

Well, if you listen to TT, Datone Jones sounds like a pretty complete player.

Great guy, hard worker, smart, played NT, DT, 5-tech, DE, plays square, has burst, closes hard. . . . .

Knowing what I know about football, that's a pretty complete package. It sounds more similar to when we picked Josh Sitton than BJ Raji. Raji, TT talked about unusual power. . . With Sitton he talked about how he did everything on the field well. . . . Just off the top, the things he said, it reminds me of the Greg Jennings and Josh Sitton picks. TT just said he does everything well, he's a player.

He also seems very, very safe. Productive, athletic, hard worker, smart, natural playmaker. . . . No holes in this guy.

mcginn has a quote from a scout saying a boom or bust guy.

want this guy starting at 300 plus

[red]

now we're playing neil fucking diamond instead of telling us who the fucking pick is

[gbpackfan]

Are you fucking kidding me! What is with this shit? Goodell posing for publicity photos in the middle of the draft! This guy is an A class douche

[Rastak]

laconfora says its WR patterson


Packerrat trolls fail on the Te'o shit, not a Viking. Te'o is probably gonna be a pretty solid player though. I wouldn't have spent the farm on him. Patterson is a risk but huge upside.....



Could they have dragged this out any further - jesus h christ

[pittstang5]

There is a time and place for this. Not now, it makes no sense.

[gbpackfan]

Patterson gets the worst hair EVER award. Good God! WTF is that????

[red]

Rams have taken ogeltree

[gbpackfan]

It is a shame that Teo isn't a Viking, the CATFISH thing (and the fact that he is as dumb as a Hawaiian seashell) would have never gotten old. Oh well.

[Fosco33]

If Patterson is a bust - this may have killed their draft. 2/3/4 has a lot of possibilities.

With NFL GM's averaging 50/50 on picks, that's basically saying that Patterson is a lock. Big gamble but may pay out if he learns from GJ.

[red]

ravens on the fucking clock and we go to commercial instead of announcing the 30th and 31st picks

[Packgator]

It is a shame that Teo isn't a Viking, the CATFISH thing (and the fact that he is as dumb as a Hawaiian seashell) would have never gotten old. Oh well.

Maybe they'll trade all of their picks for next year to get back into the first round to take him.

[digitaldean]

Got to love the Bears 1st round pick Kyle Long quoted as saying, "I didn't expect to go this high in the draft."

[Bretsky]

ya....they gave up a lot for Patterson............I sure wish they'd have taken Tao though

Hoody Genius IMO did well on that trade

[pbmax]

The Cowboys have selected OL Travis Frederick from Wisconsin and Ravens up with the final pick of the night. No upward moves for QBs yet

[pbmax]

ya....they gave up a lot for Patterson............I sure wish they'd have taken Tao though

Hoody Genius IMO did well on that trade

Patriots got more to move down from 29 than Cowboys got to move down from 18

[Carolina_Packer]

Vikes are hoping that Patterson can morph into Percy Harvin. I don't know about giving up so many picks to be able to draft him; not saying he's a bad pick, just possibly bad value.

[red]

SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

30- rams take ogletree

31-cowgirls take Travis fredrick

sorry b

[3irty1]

The Jones pick doesn't make me thing we're sticking to the 2-4. We could just as easily be getting smaller in a 3-4 now that we've got legit 5-techs.

[RashanGary]

CJ Wilson is a limited talent guy with very minimal upside; this guy has huge upside...19.5 tackles for losses last year....legit pass rushing force. Great Pick

I like the pick too. He was one of the guys I felt good about going in. I don't think he's a unique talent in anyway, but this reminds me of the Josh Sitton and Greg Jennings picks. He has all of the athletic tools (nothing off the charts, but everything you look for) he's done it a lot, proven he knows how to play football, has no character warts. . . . . He's a really safe pick at a position we really need. TT says he plays smart, square, with burst, and closes on the QB. TT went out there and said he does it all well. We need that. It will help Clay out.

I just think we need to play more base defense now. Put an extra guy on the line to cover up the linebackers a little more. Jones can play OLB now on base downs. Then, when it's nickle, Perry can come in fresh as a bit of a pass rush specialist. Hawk can come off the field on nickle with Jones moving inside. That's what I picture.

[Joemailman]

CJ Wilson is a limited talent guy with very minimal upside; this guy has huge upside...19.5 tackles for losses last year....legit pass rushing force. Great Pick

I don't know yet if it's a great pick, But he's obviously a playmaker, unlike Wilson. Having him and Matthews rushing from the right side will give teams a lot to contend with.

[Rastak]

Maybe they'll trade all of their picks for next year to get back into the first round to take him.

You are full of interesting insights tonight. I'm surprised you haven't been hired to blog somewhere.

[Packgator]

Vikes are hoping that Patterson can morph into Percy Harvin. I don't know about giving up so many picks to be able to draft him; not saying he's a bad pick, just possibly bad value.

He's no where near a Harvin. It's a terrible trade for the Vikings.

[gbpackfan]

[QUOTE=digitaldean;721238]Got to love the Bears 1st round pick Kyle Long quoted as saying, "I didn't expect to go this high in the draft."[/QUOTE

LOL, I wonder if he is looking forward to being pushed around by Cutler for the next 5 years.

[pittstang5]

So Vikings get the round 1 winner award?

[Bretsky]

Well, if you listen to TT, Datone Jones sounds like a pretty complete player.

Great guy, hard worker, smart, played NT, DT, 5-tech, DE, plays square, has burst, closes hard. . . . .

Knowing what I know about football, that's a pretty complete package. It sounds more similar to when we picked Josh Sitton than BJ Raji. Raji, TT talked about unusual power. . . With Sitton he talked about how he did everything on the field well. . . . Just off the top, the things he said, it reminds me of the Greg Jennings and Josh Sitton picks. TT just said he does everything well, he's a player.

He also seems very, very safe. Productive, athletic, hard worker, smart, natural playmaker. . . . No holes in this guy.


Gotta agree; the debate was either this guy or trade down. He fell into our lap, and fills a need at one of the spots we need help. Dude has played everywhere and put up elite stats playing against good talent

[gbpackfan]

You are full of interesting insights tonight. I'm surprised you haven't been hired to blog somewhere.

I didn't think it was that bad. Kinda funny actually.

[pbmax]

The Jones pick doesn't make me thing we're sticking to the 2-4. We could just as easily be getting smaller in a 3-4 now that we've got legit 5-techs.

Pick and Raji rotate at NT and Datone and Neal rotate at 5 opposite Wilson?

[Bretsky]

DEAR RASTAK

YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO SPEND THE DRAFT DAY WEEKEND IN PACKERRATS ANNUALLY UNTIL YOUR DEATH :) PM me your email so I can remember to harrass you every year....as well as drop you a few lines.

Nice to see you !!!
Brett

[pbmax]

kareencopeland
Can't say Vikings didn't go big. Floyd was supposed to be top 5. Rhodes ranked No. 2 CB. Patterson No. 2 WR. Gave up a lot but went for it.

[The Shadow]

THIS is what we have waited months for? Datone Jones??????????
Letdown!

[red]

So Vikings get the round 1 winner award?

not bad, not great

and gave up a lot for that last pick

[Bretsky]

Elam and Cyprien still on the board and would fill a great need
They also might take Tao....I just don't think the dude will be any better than AJ if even that

[rbaloha1]

The Jones pick doesn't make me thing we're sticking to the 2-4. We could just as easily be getting smaller in a 3-4 now that we've got legit 5-techs.

the pick needs to be 300 plus to be a 3 down player and not a specialist.

this guy was drafted to be a starter

[Rastak]

Vikes are hoping that Patterson can morph into Percy Harvin. I don't know about giving up so many picks to be able to draft him; not saying he's a bad pick, just possibly bad value.

Early on he was considered a mid 1st round pick. He's taller than Harvin, bit slower but explosive....we'll see.

[Rastak]

not bad, not great

and gave up a lot for that last pick

For sure...Patterson better kick some ass.

And they have no MLB.

[swede]

Datone Jones at #26. Gee whiz. This draft is a Barrett Jones and LeVeon Bell away from looking like a thousand other Packer mock drafts.

[3irty1]

Pick and Raji rotate at NT and Datone and Neal rotate at 5 opposite Wilson?

Yeah. Athletes like Jones, Neal, Wilson, Daniels and Worthy can drop back into passing lanes for legit zone-blitzes again to get Perry/Matthews involved. Less bigger guys for more smaller guys but still bigger overall.

[Packgator]

You are full of interesting insights tonight. I'm surprised you haven't been hired to blog somewhere.

I just get a little worked up when it comes to the Bears and Vikings. I'm sure you understand.

[3irty1]

Datone Jones at #26. Gee whiz. This draft is a Barrett Jones and LeVeon Bell away from looking like a thousand other Packer mock drafts.

Gotta work your AJ Klein in there too.

[red]

For sure...Patterson better kick some ass.

And they have no MLB.

even if patterson does turn out to be good to team up with jennings (yeah, he's really good)

i'm still not sleeping well at night thinking about the guy throwing the ball to them

[Bretsky]

Datone Jones at #26. Gee whiz. This draft is a Barrett Jones and LeVeon Bell away from looking like a thousand other Packer mock drafts.

Jones in round 3/4 would not be bad at all
Bell may be a good pro

[Packgator]

So Vikings get the round 1 winner award?

Vikings will regret this draft.

[HarveyWallbangers]

i think mayock looks so good because he knows what the picks are 20 minutes before they get announced

I'm convinced the Vikings brass leaks their picks to select media to get good pub. Every year, Paul Allen seems to want exactly who the Vikings are taking. He "wanted" Patterson and Rhodes before the draft tonight. Getting the yokels to buy into the pick. Normally, I'd think I was nuts but Allen ain't sharp enough to guess their pick every year, and it's too coincidental that he "wants" they guys they pick every year.

I'm not sure what to make of the Jones pick. I like the Rhodes pick for Minnesota. I think Patterson will be a bust.

[pittstang5]

Wow Frederick? Can u say reach

[Bretsky]

Frederick...surprised he went this high.......then again...I am bitter cause he left early :)

Ravens....got two Safeties or Taaaaooooo

[rbaloha1]

elam to the ravens

[Bretsky]

Matt Elam....dang good pick for the Ravens. Ozzie Newsome IMO is another elite GM

[RashanGary]

Capers said it's nice to have someone who can rush outside when Clay moves inside, said this guy can do that.

[Joemailman]

SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

30- rams take ogletree

31-cowgirls take Travis fredrick

sorry b

Reach of the night. Nice job Jerry.

[RashanGary]

Taller than Cullen, but similar to Cullen that he can move around and play different spots. You like the basketball background, can really move around, almost use him as a big LB at times.

[3irty1]

Patterson is a long ways from the type of WR that Ted looks for but for a few months he's been the consensus top WR in the draft. The Vikings got a top 5 guy and two top 15 guys depending on what mock drafts you look at. Not going to stop me from calling him Hershel Patterson to my viking buddies but they certainly aren't fucking around. I'm a fan of their GM's work so far.

[Rastak]

DEAR RASTAK

YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO SPEND THE DRAFT DAY WEEKEND IN PACKERRATS ANNUALLY UNTIL YOUR DEATH :) PM me your email so I can remember to harrass you every year....as well as drop you a few lines.

Nice to see you !!!
Brett

Thanks Bretsky, was an interesting first round. Had fun talking to the mainly knowlegable Packerrats.

[Bretsky]

I too think the Vikes GM is doing a good job

[Carolina_Packer]

Pick and Raji rotate at NT and Datone and Neal rotate at 5 opposite Wilson?

I could see it working out that way. They will likely limit snaps for Pickett now that he's getting up there. They need to create more pressure with their scheme. Clay cannot continue to be the only option to provide consistent pressure. I think the Jones pick will push Neal to get better, assuming health of course. I'm excited for the rest of the draft.

[Rastak]

Patterson is a long ways from the type of WR that Ted looks for but for a few months he's been the consensus top WR in the draft. The Vikings got a top 5 guy and two top 15 guys depending on what mock drafts you look at. Not going to stop me from calling him Hershel Patterson to my viking buddies but they certainly aren't fucking around. I'm a fan of their GM's work so far.


Did cost alot......wtf will they do with MLB?

[RashanGary]

Justin Smith 6'4" 285 (NFL listed weight)
Datone Jones 6'4" 283 (coming out of college)

Capers talked about him being a guy that can move out when Clay moves in, said they like to do that. It definitely seems like he's a player they envision working well with their franchise defensive player. Smith and Smith do that in SF.

[gbpackfan]

Thanks Bretsky, was an interesting first round. Had fun talking to the mainly knowlegable Packerrats.

Wow, you took such little shit all night long for you to throw in the jab is comical. If any of us went to purplepride we would be roasted without mercy. I think you have it pretty good over here. And I have NO PROBLEM with you. You seem like a great poster. I'm just surprised you are surprised that you are going to get ribbed a little bit over here.

[Packgator]

Did cost alot......wtf will they do with MLB?

For that price, Patterson better be able to play MLB as well as WR.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Did cost alot......wtf will they do with MLB?

Maybe they think Teo will last until the 5th round when they pick again.

[3irty1]

Did cost alot......wtf will they do with MLB?

Maybe find this years Vontaze Burfict.

[pittstang5]

I like the jones pick. It fills a need and it's not a reach. Jones will be a solid player for the pack

[pbmax]

Yeah. Athletes like Jones, Neal, Wilson, Daniels and Worthy can drop back into passing lanes for legit zone-blitzes again to get Perry/Matthews involved. Less bigger guys for more smaller guys but still bigger overall.

Would mean more base 3-4. Capers talked alot about how they liked his height but it was hard to tell if it was the number of questions or really a point of emphasis for Dom.

[3irty1]

Urlacher still needs a job and I still need a new Viking to make fun of since Percy left.

[Rastak]

Wow, you took such little shit all night long for you to throw in the jab is comical. If any of us went to purplepride we would be roasted without mercy. I think you have it pretty good over here. And I have NO PROBLEM with you. You seem like a great poster. I'm just surprised you are surprised that you are going to get ribbed a little bit over here.

I don't mind ribbed......we're all cool. I only get slightly wound up when someone isn't paying any attention to reality.

[Rastak]

Maybe they think Teo will last until the 5th round when they pick again.

Check the old who has what draft picks again cheese.

[gbpackfan]

I don't mind ribbed......we're all cool. I only get slightly wound up when someone isn't paying any attention to reality.

Lol, fair enough!

[HarveyWallbangers]

jones-283
jenkins- 305

BIG difference

Wasn't Jenkins like 290 coming out of college though? I seem to remember him getting bigger his first couple of years. I don't know much about Jones, but I did read a bio that said that he has room to put on good weight.

[3irty1]

Jones is a new look, they don't really have anyone else like that. Maybe when Capers hangs up his lego hair after the year is over Winston Moss is going to step in and run us a multiples defense. Who knows. Won't be hard to get him on the field though.

[wist43]

Pick and Raji rotate at NT and Datone and Neal rotate at 5 opposite Wilson?

Watch your math max... you know full well 1+1+1 = 3.

When's the last time Capers put 3 DL on the field at the same time??

Raji on the field for just about every snap - and Jones will join him in the 2 man front when Capers feels the need to "go big".

[Rastak]

I don't mind ribbed......we're all cool. I only get slightly wound up when someone isn't paying any attention to reality.


I should also maybe realize that the person is serious but a moron. I sometimes assume people are just tying to stir up shit rather than talk real football. They could be serious.

[Joemailman]

Tyler Dunne featured Jones a couple of days ago. http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/defensive-end-datone-jones-in-a-rush-to-be-good-5n9md13-204413231.html

[3irty1]

Watch your math max... you know full well 1+1+1 = 3.

When's the last time Capers put 3 DL on the field at the same time??

Raji on the field for just about every snap - and Jones will join him in the 2 man front when Capers feels the need to "go big".

About 25% of the time last year.

[Rastak]

Lol, fair enough!

It was fun gbpackfan, good luck....Ted's got some picks to do some damage tomorrow night.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I too think the Vikes GM is doing a good job

I think so also. I think he made a mistake on Patterson. He's an athlete, but not a receiver. I don't like receivers that have to learn how to run routes and catch after getting to the pros. He reminds me of Troy Williamson. I like the Rhodes pick. I think Floyd is worth taking a chance on. Spielman has a blind spot for Ponder though, and I think it might come back to haunt him. You can be a great GM, but if you make a mistake at QB, it will likely cost you your job. You never know. Guys like Ponder (and even Gabbert) could turn into good QBs. Ponder has no excuse this year. A good OL, Peterson, Rudolph, and Jennings are enough for a good QB to make work.

[red]

Wasn't Jenkins like 290 coming out of college though? I seem to remember him getting bigger his first couple of years. I don't know much about Jones, but I did read a bio that said that he has room to put on good weight.

if he can add 10 pounds or so, and not lose anything, then he'll be a good pickup

but i would be a lot more comfortable with him if he was 290-295ish

[pbmax]

Wow, you took such little shit all night long for you to throw in the jab is comical. If any of us went to purplepride we would be roasted without mercy. I think you have it pretty good over here. And I have NO PROBLEM with you. You seem like a great poster. I'm just surprised you are surprised that you are going to get ribbed a little bit over here.

He did take just a little grief, gbpf, but that is because for a lot of us old-timers Ras is like family. Family that roots for the wrong team, but family none-the-less. I think you have been here long enough to know that. He's good people.

But some of the grief he started to take at the end of the night was just kinda gratuitous and not funny. Notice that Red for instance took one opening shot and then one more shot at one of the picks. But all of Red's other material was serious, informative (or funny) and treated a visiting poster with some respect. If the ratio of unfunny smack is 1:1 with actual discussion, it kinda depresses the mood.

I am not picking on you BTW. But others seemed to have a snootful working.

If Ras was Bearman or DaBaddestBear, then they deserve to be treated like the trolls they post as. Ras doesn't play that game.

[wist43]

About 25% of the time last year.

TT created the front seven mess... now he's having to throw hail mary's at it just to get some bodies on the field.

Last year's draft entirely dedicated to defense - now our 1st round pick this year... and we're still super shitty!!!

[pbmax]

Wasn't Jenkins like 290 coming out of college though? I seem to remember him getting bigger his first couple of years. I don't know much about Jones, but I did read a bio that said that he has room to put on good weight.

That's what I thought. He was much less a load than his brother.

[King Friday]

The Vikings did well for themselves tonight. I find it hard to believe this draft is going to hurt them. They got 2 very capable defenders and an explosive athlete at WR when they already have AP and Jennings to work with. It isn't like their roster has a ton of open holes where they need 15 draft picks to fight for spots.

Bears...LMAO. They are targeting the basement in the NFC North, it appears.

The Packers took a guy they need. We need explosive athletes upfront on the DL. Clay is the only guy like that we have. Does he have a lot to learn? Yeah. So does every other late 1st round pick. If he has a great motor and is willing to learn, he has the kind of physical tools that few players possess. You aren't going to find a guy at #26 who has a flawless evaluation. If you are Wist, you won't even find that guy in Canton.

[Rastak]

I think so also. I think he made a mistake on Patterson. He's an athlete, but not a receiver. I don't like receivers that have to learn how to run routes and catch after getting to the pros. He reminds me of Troy Williamson. I like the Rhodes pick. I think Floyd is worth taking a chance on. Spielman has a blind spot for Ponder though, and I think it might come back to haunt him. You can be a great GM, but if you make a mistake at QB, it will likely cost you your job. You never know. Guys like Ponder (and even Gabbert) could turn into good QBs. Ponder has no excuse this year. A good OL, Peterson, Rudolph, and Jennings are enough for a good QB to make work.

We'll see on Patterson, gotta see him on the field. Pretty much agree with you on all points at this juncture.

[red]

He did take just a little grief, gbpf, but that is because for a lot of us old-timers Ras is like family. Family that roots for the wrong team, but family none-the-less. I think you have been here long enough to know that. He's good people.

But some of the grief he started to take at the end of the night was just kinda gratuitous and not funny. Notice that Red for instance took one opening shot and then one more shot at one of the picks. But all of Red's other material was serious, informative (or funny) and treated a visiting poster with some respect. If the ratio of unfunny smack is 1:1 with actual discussion, it kinda depresses the mood.

I am not picking on you BTW. But others seemed to have a snootful working.

yeah, ras is my top 10 maybe top 5 favorite poster on here

hate his team, like the poster.

[Rastak]

The Vikings did well for themselves tonight. I find it hard to believe this draft is going to hurt them. They got 2 very capable defenders and an explosive athlete at WR when they already have AP and Jennings to work with. It isn't like their roster has a ton of open holes where they need 15 draft picks to fight for spots.

Bears...LMAO. They are targeting the basement in the NFC North, it appears.

The Packers took a guy they need. We need explosive athletes upfront on the DL. Clay is the only guy like that we have. Does he have a lot to learn? Yeah. So does every other late 1st round pick. If he has a great motor and is willing to learn, he has the kind of physical tools that few players possess. You aren't going to find a guy at #26 who has a flawless evaluation. If you are Wist, you won't even find that guy in Canton.

Vikings have a GIANT hole at MLB.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm excited about what Matthews, Jones, and a health Perry could do. We have pass rushers. Hopefully, they can contain against the read option and hopefully the big boys inside can hold the middle. I'd like to see a DT, S, and OL next.


National Football Post: The Packers add an impact defensive end in Jones. A strong and powerful player, Jones' ability to jolt and defeat pass blockers is remarkable. He proved his pass-rush ability by beating Eric Fisher repeatedly during Senior Bowl practices. Not only productive rushing the passer, Jones lined up all over the defensive line at UCLA. Do not be shocked when Jones has 10-plus sacks as a rookie.

[Rastak]

yeah, ras is my top 10 maybe top 5 favorite poster on here

hate his team, like the poster.

I'm tearing up....thanks PB and Red. I actually do enjoy spending time with you guys here.

[RashanGary]

I'm not much for sentimentality, but it would feel like we lost a big member of the group of you weren't here on draft day, ras.

[red]

I'm tearing up....thanks PB and Red. I actually do enjoy spending time with you guys here.

now take your team and FRIG OFF

[Bretsky]

If you watch this guy enough there is not much to dislike. Very solid pick and the obvious choice IMO unless TT traded down

[Rastak]

I'm not much for sentimentality, but it would feel like we lost a big member of the group of you weren't here on draft day, ras.

Thanks, we've had our tangles before but no reason we can't be cool. Packers Friday night will be much more interesting than the Vikings so enjoy. Guess I have to be happy with what they got tonight.

[RashanGary]

Datone Jones sounds a lot like Justin Smith to me. He's going to take a year or two to really get his full game going I think. Like Smith, I think it will take him a little bit to really get his NFL leverage and power. But like Smith, I also think he's a perfect talent to play 3-4 DE. I see us playing more base defense.

[Rastak]

now take your team and FRIG OFF


Fair enough - fuck you to.......:lol:

[King Friday]

Vikings have a GIANT hole at MLB.

Yeah...one hole...not a ton. And they have 2 picks left sometime on Saturday (if they set their alarm clocks to remind them) to fill it!

[HarveyWallbangers]

The guy is very similar in size to Brett Keisel. If it's good enough for Blitzburgh, it's good enough for me. :)

[RashanGary]

I'm convinced Jones is going to be an excellent player for us. I think it will take him at least a year to really get his legs under him. It's hard for lineman to go in there against NFL lineman and dominate. But he has a lot of talent, and he's a solid person.

We're going to need Neal to be healthy this year, and get something out of Daniels. I just don't think you can expect DL to be all they can be in year one. He should see snaps though. We need impact on our line. Just giving guys a breather helps everyone out and I think he has enough talent to make his own difference right away too.

They talk about him and Clay playing off each other. I like the sound of that.

[RashanGary]

The guy is very similar in size to Brett Keisel. If it's good enough for Blitzburgh, it's good enough for me. :)

He's the same size as Justin Smith too. . . . . JJ Watt is only 7lbs heavier. The guy isn't small. I just don't see it.

[pbmax]

Draft rankings by position. I have no idea who this guy is, but I dont want to lose the link.

http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AkhOZ8sRXlgSdFpYdU5HbE9yS2xRbElZaFoyczFIR UE&output=html

[woodbuck27]

TT created the front seven mess... now he's having to throw hail mary's at it just to get some bodies on the field.

Last year's draft entirely dedicated to defense - now our 1st round pick this year... and we're still super shitty!!!

I was making a mad dash with my Mock to finally get that done and here. I worked on it so hard I got to the point where I just wanted to give up anything football. I was finishing it off just a minute before TT got his pick announced. My analysis said it might be 34 DE Datone Jones but he might have gone bigger. The funny thing about that pick is we wanted a solid DE for so long and now that we have the 3-4 'D' it seems to me that a man the size of Datone Jones isn't going to carry the mustard.

Outside of some unusual play and BPA (the TT way) it was a logical move going 3-4 DE as that was our greatest need in analysis. With that then the logical pick was to hope that Datone Jones would be available. He was and I really thought that TT would do as he did.

Do we need to be a 3-4 Front?

PACKERS !

[RashanGary]

Ted Likes him and Dom Capers envisions him working well next to Clay. Good enough for me. Plus, he was the only guy beating this years #1 pick at the senior bowl. He's talented and effective.

[pbmax]

Good reminder JH. Ted loves to see them do well in the Senior Bowl.

[Packgator]

Draft rankings by position. I have no idea who this guy is, but I dont want to lose the link.

http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AkhOZ8sRXlgSdFpYdU5HbE9yS2xRbElZaFoyczFIR UE&output=html

Nice find.

[Carolina_Packer]

One more note on my surprise of the Vikes trading back in the get Patterson. Why give up so much to get a guy like Patterson when you could go after someone more underrated, but same body type, physicality like Da'Rick Rogers? That doesn't solve the MLB issue, then if you keep the picks you gave up to get Patterson, you look for value. Patterson is kind of a classic boom/bust guy. I'm hoping for bust of course. :-)

[woodbuck27]

Draft rankings by position. I have no idea who this guy is, but I dont want to lose the link.

http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AkhOZ8sRXlgSdFpYdU5HbE9yS2xRbElZaFoyczFIR UE&output=html

I just had a look at that and it's interesting.

Thanks pb

[Freak Out]

Draft rankings by position. I have no idea who this guy is, but I dont want to lose the link.

http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AkhOZ8sRXlgSdFpYdU5HbE9yS2xRbElZaFoyczFIR UE&output=html

Wow....Trufant was drafted where again? 22?

[wist43]

I was making a mad dash with my Mock to finally get that done and here. I worked on it so hard I got to the point where I just wanted to give up anything football. I was finishing it off just a minute before TT got his pick announced. My analysis said it might be 34 DE Datone Jones but he might have gone bigger. The funny thing about that pick is we wanted a solid DE for so long and now that we have the 3-4 'D' it seems to me that a man the size of Datone Jones isn't going to carry the mustard.

Outside of some unusual play and BPA (the TT way) it was a logical move going 3-4 DE as that was our greatest need in analysis. With that then the logical pick was to hope that Datone Jones would be available. He was and I really thought that TT would do as he did.

Do we need to be a 3-4 Front?

PACKERS !

I actually don't think he'll be that bad... he'll be better than CJ Wilson, but that's not saying much.

I think it means we'll be seeing a lot of 2-man fronts with Raji and Jones - in other words, same thing we saw last year, but with a new guy.

Capers will be fired after the season though, so the new DC will have to try to assemble the pieces into something coherent.

TT really has made a mess of the defense.

[RashanGary]

Do we need to be a 3-4 Front?

PACKERS !


It's so hard to predict. Do you like Casey Hayward and Nick Perry or do you like AJ Hawk and Datone Jones? Perry is a big fucking question mark for me. I wouldn't be shocked if the personnel leaned either way.

I like this guy a whole hell of a lot fucking more than I liked the Nick Perry pick last year. But I like Hayward more than I like Hawk. Shit, throw Hayward at SS and make it a Perry for Jones even swap.

[RashanGary]

Datone Jones/BJ Raji/Mike Neal
Clay/Hawk/Bishop/B Jones
Williams/Burnett/Hayward/Shields


My hunch is this is our best 11 guys. I'm with Wist a little here though. It's a bit of a mess right now. Not having a 2nd safety is a big problem.

[RashanGary]

Let's face it, our defense is a cluster fuck of question marks.

Perry?
Worthy?
Datone Jones?
a 2nd safety?

We have a talented new DE who looks more ready to be on a 3-man line than he is ready to be one of only 2 guys on a 2-man line. We have no clue how these pieces are going to fit together. We might not know until sometime into next season. I have a hard time, a really hard time, envisioning this guy playing next to Raji on a 2-man line with 5 friggin DB's on the field. That is asking to get beat down, IMO.

I guess if you're playing Perry at OLB, you have a little extra size with a guy whos more like a DE than he is an OLB. I just hate having an OLB on the field who can't cover and all Perry has shown is that he can't cover.

[RashanGary]

If it's me, I kind of lean toward Wist's point of view in that it's better to have three big guys up front with speed behind them (similar to SF.) I wonder if Hayward could play SS. If he could do that, I'd feel better.

I feel bad for Capers, just because he has a lot of guys on the mend and no real go-to unit to speak of.

[rbaloha1]

If it's me, I kind of lean toward Wist's point of view in that it's better to have three big guys up front with speed behind them (similar to SF.) I wonder if Hayward could play SS. If he could do that, I'd feel better.

I feel bad for Capers, just because he has a lot of guys on the mend and no real go-to unit to speak of.

Neal is a fraud.

Trade Raji (suggested the same for AK)

Draft Jesse Willams

Move Perry to ilb (cut or trade hawk)

Front 3 of Pickett, Williams, Jones

[woodbuck27]

Wow....Trufant was drafted where again? 22?

This is a description of comeback:

Pick # 12 Oakland Raiders (From Dolphins) Hayden, D.J. CB 5'11" 191 Houston 85.1

That one surprized me a bit. I was watching him move up boards fast and did give him a solid shot of being a first Rd. pick but where he went surprized me. The Boys need on the OL but grabing Travis Frederick, Wisconsin was a shocker to me...a reach? Who can ever judge such a thing when it comes to a team need?

All in all 8 BIG MEN were taken.That didn't surprize me.

Our rivals the Minnesota Vikings did extremely well again. Their GM is on the ball. He drafted very well in 2012. They took care of three primary needs in round one. Pick #23 and DT and Sherrif Floyd...he fell like an anchor. Then right back with the #1 or #2 ranked CB Xavier Rhodes ... then ...
the 'coup de gras', and the move with the NE Pat's to secure a solid WR in Cordarrelle 'double down' Patterson... with the New England former # 29 pick.

WOW!

Overall it was 'a BIG BOY' draft....with all in all ... 8 picked in Round one.

7 DB's off the board is something too.

Poor Ole Manti Te'o watched 7 DB's go off the board, and all he can drink tonight is beer...no champagne.

Life's tough ! 8-)

[wist43]

Do we need to be a 3-4 Front?

PACKERS !

Jones is the closest TT has come to actually acquiring a 3-4 DE, even though he doesn't have enough sand in the bucket.

I actually think Jones will be okay - but there's no accounting for Dom Capers.

To answer your question - no, we don't need to be a 3-4 team, and we're really not. We run the 2-whatever more than we do a 3-4.

That's not going to change. TT could draft 53 defensive linemen, and Mr. Spraypaintedhair will only play 2 of them at a time anyway.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I like the Perry pick last year. If healthy, I think the guy is going to surprise this year. For a guy so raw at OLB and little minicamp/training camp to master the position, he was impressing me before his injury. My prediction is that the Packers rank in the top 5 in sacks again this year, but they will be a little more balanced. Meaning they'll have Matthews amongst the league leaders, but Perry and Jones will chip in around 7-8 sacks each.

[Guiness]

Schefter says, according to Wilde

And @AdamSchefter says the #Vikings are trying to trade back into the first round (for a third first-round pick) to take Manti Te'o.

everybody was fooled and sure it was Te'o they were taking!

Three interesting players falling out of the first round - Te'o, Geno and Lacy. Geno and Lacy stuck in the green room...

I'm sure the GMs are going to be re-evaluating them, guys they probably thought wouldn't be around anymore.

[rbaloha1]

IMO Teo brings too many distractions as a first rounder.

[Guiness]

Wow, Geno Smith saying he's not going to show up tomorrow and Saturday.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/26/geno-smith-says-he-wont-be-back-on-friday/

Not exactly exhibiting mental toughness there. Have to think that'll cost him.

He should show up with bells on tomorrow - literally. Have some fun with it, instead he's pouting. Are you allowed to be a diva before you're even picked?

[woodbuck27]

Jones is the closest TT has come to actually acquiring a 3-4 DE, even though he doesn't have enough sand in the bucket.

I actually think Jones will be okay - but there's no accounting for Dom Capers.

To answer your question - no, we don't need to be a 3-4 team, and we're really not. We run the 2-whatever more than we do a 3-4.

That's not going to change. TT could draft 53 defensive linemen, and Mr. Spraypaintedhair will only play 2 of them at a time anyway.

After the Colts went DE Bjoern Werner. I felt for sure that TT might take Datone Jones but was actually hoping for DT Sylvester Williams (who I pegged to the Vikings). Sharrif Floyd falling to the Vikings at #23 set that choice for TT up.

I've never seen it so hard to determine a good choice for a Round 1 Pick as that #26 this draft. The funny thing as it got closer and closer to Thurs. 25 April; the analysts doing Mocks were ignoring Datone Jones.That bothered me, but he does fit our need for a 3-4 DE the best.

Eric Reid went sooner than I would have bet. TT may be very pleased with his Safetys but I felt (feel) we need more punishement in our backfield at Safety. My Mock is mostly about toughness.

There's a contradiction and that and my 'mocked pick' at #26 and Datone Jones. Thus my nickname for him...'Hollywood'.

He's seemingly a mild young man.


Edit:

Ohh No. I just looked at McGinn's Mock for the first time.

He had us connected to DT Sylvester Williams. I have to agree with that as it went ....or rather.... didn't go down.

PACKERS!

[woodbuck27]

everybody was fooled and sure it was Te'o they were taking!

Three interesting players falling out of the first round - Te'o, Geno and Lacy. Geno and Lacy stuck in the green room...

I'm sure the GMs are going to be re-evaluating them, guys they probably thought wouldn't be around anymore.

I thought that Lacy would go tomorrow and maybe Mr. Smith as well but I had 'Mr. Slower Pants' ... going either to the BEARS or VIKINGS and in both case I was scratchin' my head. This draft and Round 1 was alot to do with Surprize and contradiction. It went fast and smooth.

It had it's element of surprize if it lacked excitement.

PACKERS !

[VegasPackFan]

Wow, Geno Smith saying he's not going to show up tomorrow and Saturday.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/26/geno-smith-says-he-wont-be-back-on-friday/

Not exactly exhibiting mental toughness there. Have to think that'll cost him.

He should show up with bells on tomorrow - literally. Have some fun with it, instead he's pouting. Are you allowed to be a diva before you're even picked?

I was watching the TV shots of him as the draft progressed today. His body language was SO NEGATIVE that I said to myself that if I was GM there was no chance in hell that I would want that ahole on my team. I read something earlier that he would never be a leader or positive influence in the locker room, and from what I saw , sounds correct.

[woodbuck27]

I was watching the TV shots of him as the draft progressed today. His body language was SO NEGATIVE that I said to myself that if I was GM there was no chance in hell that I would want that ahole on my team. I read something earlier that he would never be a leader or positive influence in the locker room, and from what I saw , sounds correct.

I sure looks like alot of draft experts saw that too.

[wootah]

I'm happy for Ziggy Ansah getting drafted so high: maybe now he can afford some real glasses instead of those that came with his TV.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIvTFs-CEAErZzc.jpg

[RashanGary]

I like the Perry pick last year. If healthy, I think the guy is going to surprise this year. For a guy so raw at OLB and little minicamp/training camp to master the position, he was impressing me before his injury. My prediction is that the Packers rank in the top 5 in sacks again this year, but they will be a little more balanced. Meaning they'll have Matthews amongst the league leaders, but Perry and Jones will chip in around 7-8 sacks each.

As much as I hate Nick Perry in coverage and hate the fact that he ties Clay down a little by not being able to play coverage, I did like his bull rush last preseason. It would be fun to see Perry and Clay lineup on the same side and run some stunts off each other. I just hope they don't view Perry as an every down linebacker. He's more of a pass rush specialist.

[Fritz]

TT created the front seven mess... now he's having to throw hail mary's at it just to get some bodies on the field.

Last year's draft entirely dedicated to defense - now our 1st round pick this year... and we're still super shitty!!!

Okay, just to make sure I'm following your narrative: last year the Packers took two defensive linemen who really don't at all fit the 3-4 defensive lineman size parameters. They lacked length, and were also miscast because they were one-gap penetrators and so didn't fit the two-gap scheme.

This year the Packers select a guy who is the classic 3-4 defensive end, rated by scouts as the third best 3-4 de in the draft, and now this guy is also the wrong size and fit for Green Bay. It's a desperation move.

[Carolina_Packer]

Okay, just to make sure I'm following your narrative: last year the Packers took two defensive linemen who really don't at all fit the 3-4 defensive lineman size parameters. They lacked length, and were also miscast because they were one-gap penetrators and so didn't fit the two-gap scheme.

This year the Packers select a guy who is the classic 3-4 defensive end, rated by scouts as the third best 3-4 de in the draft, and now this guy is also the wrong size and fit for Green Bay. It's a desperation move.

It's unfortunate when anyone gets hurt. I get the feeling some people "blame" the player for that, which is ridiculous. I've even seen people say bust because a guy gets hurt. If he had injury concerns coming into the draft (Justin Harrell), then I could see banging on a GM for that risk taken. Nick Perry (likely coming back right away) and Jerel Worthy (likely on PUP when season starts) both got hurt. It's just unfortunate, nothing more.

It's fun to talk football, but it's a little presumptuous to comment here like anyone here knows better what would fit the Packers needs and schemes. As the saying goes, they've forgotten more about football than we'll ever know. Don't get too worked up. The guys in charge know what they are doing. It sucks when you're down to Brad Jones as a starting ILB, but that's where they were last year. If they have health this year, it'll be better. They got their Cullen Jenkins type 5 Tech guy. Good. They found Nick Collins in the second round before...here's hoping they can find another this year. That guy is missed. He was talent and glue.

[Fritz]

No doubt we are just blathering here. I'm aware of that, well aware that I thought the Clay Matthews and Nick Collins picks were horrible. I respect other opinions when there's actual reasoning behind it. I just get irked when people throw logic out the door and twist everything so it fits with their pre-determined notions.

As I have said before, Wist's constant negativity irritates me, but then again he and I aren't in disagreement over what the Packers' needs are, and in fact we often like some of the same players.

[3irty1]

I like the Perry pick last year. If healthy, I think the guy is going to surprise this year. For a guy so raw at OLB and little minicamp/training camp to master the position, he was impressing me before his injury. My prediction is that the Packers rank in the top 5 in sacks again this year, but they will be a little more balanced. Meaning they'll have Matthews amongst the league leaders, but Perry and Jones will chip in around 7-8 sacks each.

I too love the Perry pick last year. He's got what you can't teach and knocking him for his coverage is like knocking a running back for his blocking. That guy is here to rush the passer and set the edge and he can be a complete badass at that. It was also our biggest need for each and every year since we've been a 3-4 and its still one of the top needs. Not sure how you hate a guy with infinite potential at premium position of need.

[Fritz]

Wow, VaGeno Smith saying he's not going to show up tomorrow and Saturday.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/26/geno-smith-says-he-wont-be-back-on-friday/

Not exactly exhibiting mental toughness there. Have to think that'll cost him.

He should show up with bells on tomorrow - literally. Have some fun with it, instead he's pouting. Are you allowed to be a diva before you're even picked?

Fixed.

[pbmax]

Let's face it, our defense is a cluster fuck of question marks.

Perry?
Worthy?
Datone Jones?
a 2nd safety?

We have a talented new DE who looks more ready to be on a 3-man line than he is ready to be one of only 2 guys on a 2-man line. We have no clue how these pieces are going to fit together. We might not know until sometime into next season. I have a hard time, a really hard time, envisioning this guy playing next to Raji on a 2-man line with 5 friggin DB's on the field. That is asking to get beat down, IMO.

I guess if you're playing Perry at OLB, you have a little extra size with a guy whos more like a DE than he is an OLB. I just hate having an OLB on the field who can't cover and all Perry has shown is that he can't cover.

The 2 man line is for passing situations and pass rush is his specialty. He doesn't need to start at DE in the 3-4 until he gains some technique and possibly some weight. He will be fine as a regular in the nickel and dime pass rush and an backup DE in base. He is a replacement for Worthy this year, with a bigger frame and much hope for the future.

Unlike the picks last year that seemed to be odd fits, he is easy to envision as a starter in base.

[pbmax]

Give him a break! He is a college kid. He can't afford actual frames for his fake glasses!

UPDATE! Someone related to me by marriage says this is very common among the youngsters. Bust out the lens from the movie glasses and wear them. She is not sure but I think its a LeBron thing.


I'm happy for Ziggy Ansah getting drafted so high: maybe now he can afford some real glasses instead of those that came with his TV.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIvTFs-CEAErZzc.jpg

[Fritz]

I'm still scratching my head a little over the Worthy pick, although I liked it at the time. I liked it because he was quick and could get penetration (well, in college), but as I read more about being assignment- and gap-sure he didn't seem to fit, particularly with his lack of height.

Maybe he'll end up being a third down pass rush specialist, although he didn't show me jack in his limited audition as a rook.

[Zool]

I'm still scratching my head a little over the Worthy pick, although I liked it at the time. I liked it because he was quick and could get penetration (well, in college), but as I read more about being assignment- and gap-sure he didn't seem to fit, particularly with his lack of height.

Maybe he'll end up being a third down pass rush specialist, although he didn't show me jack in his limited audition as a rook.

Wasn't he leading the DLine in snaps before going down with injury? Wasn't that limited last year just didn't show a lot as a rookie. Hopefully we'll find out what he's all about in 2014.

[run pMc]

Why give up so much to get a guy like Patterson when you could go after someone more underrated, but same body type, physicality like Da'Rick Rogers?
Unlike Patterson, Rogers managed to get himself kicked out of a lenient Tennessee program. The kid has serious talent -- he schooled some good CB's -- but he has serious issues and no sane Gm is gonna touch him in R1. R3-4 he'll get the tires kicked.

I was ambivalent about the Nick Perry pick. The comments about wanting to play 4-3 DE and then the backtracking worried me, the stories of a hot and cold motor worried me, and the conversion from DE to OLB still worries me. All that said, he's a helluva physical talent and if Kevin Greene can get the lightbulb to go on he'll be fantastic. Even if that never truly happens he'll still be good for 8 sacks and help Clay get 14+. That's better than Walden, who had his moments. God forbid Clay have hammy issues again, but if he did I feel better about Perry rushing the passer than Walden.

I thought the Worthy pick was good value (some had him as a late R1 pick) but felt he was a little miscast -- where do you play him? He's short for a 3-4 DE, and a bit light at DT. He relied on quicks and had a lot to learn about pass-rushing in the pros. As an inside rusher I could see him spelling the early down DT's, but he was (and likely always be) purely a sub-package guy.

The Daniels pick concerned me because he's really short for a DT. I like that he has a good motor and nasty attitude, and he's ok for taking a enough snaps to give the starters a breather, but if McGinn has a leg to stand on re: the "too soft/small" argument, it's with Worthy and especially Daniels being too short. What do you do with this guy when it's snowing in December and AP is getting the ball? I worry about Daniels getting engulfed by 6-4 OL.

Sadly, the Jones pick also supports McGinn's argument -- Jones is 6-4, and compared to Worthy/Daniels has that little bit of extra height/length as well as body type to play a more prototypical 3-4 DE...which we need. Taller DL block the QB's vision and passing lanes, and if we have to face shorter QBs like D.Brees or R.Wilson that can't hurt. I think the Jones pick makes sense and will help the defense.
Worthy will go on PUP and Jones will take his place.

[Joemailman]

Worthy decided to lose a bunch of weight last year and went from 308 to 280. Whatever weight the Packers want him at, he needs to get stronger. Whether he can do that while rehabbing an ACL, I don't know. 2013 will probably be a lost year for him.

[rbaloha1]

Worthy decided to lose a bunch of weight last year and went from 308 to 280. Whatever weight the Packers want him at, he needs to get stronger. Whether he can do that while rehabbing an ACL, I don't know. 2013 will probably be a lost year for him.

also needs to understand leverage.

[Guiness]

I was watching the TV shots of him as the draft progressed today. His body language was SO NEGATIVE that I said to myself that if I was GM there was no chance in hell that I would want that ahole on my team. I read something earlier that he would never be a leader or positive influence in the locker room, and from what I saw , sounds correct.

Looks like his agent got him on the phone and said "Get your fuckin' ass down there!"

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/26/geno-smith-will-attend-the-draft-tonight-after-all/

[denverYooper]

There goes Cyprien.

[OS PA]

Here goes my boy to Tennessee. Poor kid won't do anything with Locker throwing to him though. Justin Hunter could be a great one.

[wist43]

Worthy decided to lose a bunch of weight last year and went from 308 to 280. Whatever weight the Packers want him at, he needs to get stronger. Whether he can do that while rehabbing an ACL, I don't know. 2013 will probably be a lost year for him.

Losing the weight really hurt him... why draft the guy that high if you're going to project him to a position that you're going to ask him to lose 30 lbs for??

So the Packers take Raji in the 1st round, play him out of position, and wear him down until his quickness is completely negated and he is then an average player; then they turn around and take Worthy in the 2nd round and screw around with him until he's almost useless; now we've drafted another tweener that Capers is surely going to screw around with.

I give a lot of the players on defense a pass b/c they're having to play under Capers.

I think our defense would improve immediately upon Capers being fired. There was some grumbling in the locker room about his stupidity after the Niner game, but I think MM has a pretty tight grip on the locker room, so everyone bites their tongue.

[Guiness]

How far to Smith and Lacy fall? 5 picks into the second round, they're still on the board.

Tim Krumrie making the pick!

[denverYooper]

Aaaand Teo to the Whale's Vagina.

[pbmax]

Holy crap, everything at once. Bengals sign Smith, Dolphins(?) trade Best to Browns.

EDIT: Not Best, but BESS

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 15m
Miami has traded WR Davone Bess to Browns.

[pbmax]

Smith, Tebow and Sanchez. Rex Ryan will make someone a great DC in 2014.

[rbaloha1]

Losing the weight really hurt him... why draft the guy that high if you're going to project him to a position that you're going to ask him to lose 30 lbs for??

So the Packers take Raji in the 1st round, play him out of position, and wear him down until his quickness is completely negated and he is then an average player; then they turn around and take Worthy in the 2nd round and screw around with him until he's almost useless; now we've drafted another tweener that Capers is surely going to screw around with.

I give a lot of the players on defense a pass b/c they're having to play under Capers.

I think our defense would improve immediately upon Capers being fired. There was some grumbling in the locker room about his stupidity after the Niner game, but I think MM has a pretty tight grip on the locker room, so everyone bites their tongue.

should have been axed. maybe the buyout is too large.

full of excuses and not a quick thinker

[rbaloha1]

Aaaand Teo to the Whale's Vagina.

where is your vagina?

[rbaloha1]

There goes Cyprien.

Philip Thomas is still around.

[The Shadow]

The Jets may be the dumbest team in the NFL.

[rbaloha1]

The Jets may be the dumbest team in the NFL.

geno smith was a good pick and replaces sanchez quickly.

[gbpackfan]

I don't like Geno Smith. First off, he was such a cry baby yesterday and you know the only reason he stayed in New York is because his agent got to him and talked him out of leaving. Second, after he was selected, a reported asked him about the tweet Rodgers sent him last night telling him to be patient, good things will come. She asked what that meant to him and he just said "I already knew that." Then he proclaimed that the Jets were going to the playoffs next season. What a donkey. Perfect play for Rex. He has some Ryan Leaf in him. The NY media will get him to explode by the end of the year.

[denverYooper]

where is your vagina?

She's upstairs booking us a hotel for tomorrow night.

[gbpackfan]

Who would take Lacy if he were still on the board?

[wist43]

Imagine that, the 49er's restocking their already well-stocked defense.

They get it.

[wist43]

there goes Minter

[Joemailman]

Cardinals take Minter

[wist43]

shit, there goes Alonso

[pbmax]

Giants get Hankins

[rbaloha1]

Imagine that, the 49er's restocking their already well-stocked defense.

They get it.

the packers restock but regress

[rbaloha1]

shit, there goes Alonso

jenkins or williams?

[red]

so what the fuck have i missed

where are we? whats going on?

who am i?

[pbmax]

Amerson gone

[pbmax]

so what the fuck have i missed

where are we? whats going on?

who am i?

Two ILBs gone, two DTs gone, one CB could play safety gone

[Carolina_Packer]

If Lacy is there, and it's a strong need, do you almost have to do it?

[packers11]

If Lacy is there, and it's a strong need, do you almost have to do it?

I hope so...

[Packgator]

If Lacy is there, and it's a strong need, do you almost have to do it?

NE might take him.

[Carolina_Packer]

Whew!

[red]

i'm on board with lacy here

[pbmax]

Jamie Collins was the Football Outsiders pass rusher metric sleeper of the Draft. Crazy burst.

[Carolina_Packer]

i'm on board with lacy here
'sup Red!

[pbmax]

From a time warp, la Canfora has the Bengals selecting Hunt and he Tweeted it before the Pat announcement of Collins

[pbmax]

Packers reporters still think if its a RB it will be Franklin

[Packgator]

From a time warp, la Canfora has the Bengals selecting Hunt and he Tweeted it before the Pat announcement of Collins

Maybe he has the Packers pick already.

[Carolina_Packer]

Jamie Collins was the Football Outsiders pass rusher metric sleeper of the Draft. Crazy burst.

What do you think about this guy as a sleeper rush guy? Click here (http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Prospect-primer-DE-David-Bass-Missouri-Western/cbeb0f96-ef48-4c57-9f38-fb825d9c7740) for David Bass profile. Not in this round but later?

[red]

hey guys

lacey still around, arthur brown still around, jessie williams still there, and terron armstead

i wouldn't mind any of those 4

[packers11]

I think they traded out per nfl.com

[pbmax]

What do you think about this guy as a sleeper rush guy? Click here (http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Prospect-primer-DE-David-Bass-Missouri-Western/cbeb0f96-ef48-4c57-9f38-fb825d9c7740) for David Bass profile. Not in this round but later?

They aren't the only ones who like him: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?25074-THE-draft-thread-(2013-version)&p=720703&viewfull=1#post720703

[pittstang5]

What do you think about this guy as a sleeper rush guy? Click here (http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/Prospect-primer-DE-David-Bass-Missouri-Western/cbeb0f96-ef48-4c57-9f38-fb825d9c7740) for David Bass profile. Not in this round but later?

Liked him in the 3rd. Patriots just snagged him

[rbaloha1]

the big guys are available

[pbmax]

Packers trade with 49ers

[pittstang5]

Liked him in the 3rd. Patriots just snagged him

Meant Collins

[pbmax]

Jason La Canfora
In the 49ers deal with GB, Packers pick up pick 173

[Carolina_Packer]

Liked him in the 3rd. Patriots just snagged him

I think they got the guy from Southern Miss; Bass is from Missiouri Western (D2)

[pbmax]

So, too many they like or did the guy they want disappear?

[rbaloha1]

Jason La Canfora
In the 49ers deal with GB, Packers pick up pick 173

hopefully one of the big guys is still around

[pbmax]

McGinn likes Damon Moore from TAMU as a pass rushing OLB

[pittstang5]

What'd we get

[Carolina_Packer]

TT workin' the board!

[gbpackfan]

We got ripped. Stupid trade.

[Packgator]

Jason La Canfora
In the 49ers deal with GB, Packers pick up pick 173

Swapped 2nd's and got a very late 5th?

[pittstang5]

I think they got the guy from Southern Miss; Bass is from Missiouri Western (D2)

Yep, I meant Collins

[pittstang5]

Swapped 2nd's and got a very late 5th?
That sucks ass

[rbaloha1]

We got ripped. Stupid trade.

maybe they wanted hunt but when picked they decided to move down

[rbaloha1]

That sucks ass

lets wait -- the second pick was a 6th

[Green Bud Packer]

I'm thinking Lacy

[Carolina_Packer]

Denver might get Lacy

[Carolina_Packer]

I would not be upset with Franklin or Ball either.

[rbaloha1]

Denver might get Lacy

do not be surprised if the player the packers covet is picked they move down again

[Packgator]

Denver might get Lacy

I agree.

[pittstang5]

I don't think they go rb

[Carolina_Packer]

We like Lacy, we'll see if the Packers do. I that who you guys want?

[red]

do not be surprised if the player the packers covet is picked they move down again

maybe ted can get a 7th in next years draft

[Carolina_Packer]

maybe ted can get a 7th in next years draft

Sick burn!

[red]

they just said lacy has some medical issues

that might be enough to scare off tt and m3

[wist43]

Seattle just made the same trade we did...

They got a 5th and 6th

We got a 6th

Way to go Ted!!!

[Bretsky]

maybe ted can get a 7th in next years draft

Hey Peckers.....just in

Did the Pack get about half as much as Baltimore just gave up ?

I liked Swearinger; if GB plans on taking a RB trading down did make sense

[red]

maybe we'll take that center from cal here

the one that kinda looks like a really fat chick

[wist43]

Seriously, I still can't fathom why you guys even care about the RB position.

You should all be hoping TT doesn't screw the pooch and take a RB that will only touch the ball 10 times/game.

[Bretsky]

Seattle just made the same trade we did...

They got a 5th and 6th

We got a 6th

Way to go Ted!!!



I NOTICED THAT AS WELL

[Bretsky]

maybe we'll take that center from cal here

the one that kinda looks like a really fat chick


Schwenke is going to be a primetime OL

[pbmax]

I am thinking WR or RB. DL in third.

[wist43]

There goes Swearinger

Lot of good players coming off the board.