THE draft thread (2013 version)

[woodbuck27]

WHOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

100 PAGES

my longest packerrats thread EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

longer then the 2008 draft thread (though that had way more views), and crushing other threads like my amazing garbage can thread titled "fuck"

I AM A GOLDEN GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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YOU ARE....a GOLDEN GOD red !!!!!!

[woodbuck27]

If I sort by Views, I get 2013 draft thread in second after Official Living Legend. 2008 draft thread nowhere in sight.

But more importantly, due to the wonders of non-football fans and Tebow, look how many views the Tebow thread has versus posts.

We should name every thread after Tim and watch the money roll in for Mad.

Or wait ...

Yea...Exactly.We should cool 'our Jets' and that one....... because:

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As an Entrepreneur ... Mad is already Verrrrrrry Rich.

[KYPack]

OK, Woody, we're cool and all.

The draft charts are a tool and are a part of any trade involving picks, but not the end all be all judge of the deal.

Let's take a nuetral example.

The Browns got a whole village of high picks to make the Julio Jones deal a couple years ago. 2 #1's and other great picks, 5 in all. That draft pick value's were all in Cleve's favor, but after this year's draft that deal is definitely in favor of The Birds and Julio Jones. Becuase ATL wanted that guy, Julio Jones to pair with Roddy White. Cleve? they were lead by GM washout (Pres at the time) Mikey Homgren. New Brown GM Mike Lombardi spent this draft trying to forge together a future for Cleveland after Holmgren's fuck-up. The charts show the Brownies "won" but the results were that Cleveland screwed it up.

Those charts are just numbers. The whole thing changes when the numbers start to become the actual players. TT stated that the charts are just a bunch of numbers & he's freakin' right.

Woody I got on your ass because you were critiquing TT & the GBP's draft based on draft charts. Not only that, the values you were all worried about were negligable. SF skinned the Pack because was a 9 point difference under the old JJchart? That's bullshit. Nobody got taken OR got over one way or the other.

Now is the time to strap it up and get playing. We'll see a little during OTA's and a lot more when camp and the Pre starts.

TT picked 11 guys. Their play will figure out what deal was good and what was bad, not charts, tables, or any calculations.

I don't know if the draft was good or bad yet.

I am still puzzle about the 3rd rnd hole, but maybe the 3 4th rnd boys will cover
Thompson on that one.

The time to find out is nearing.

[KYPack]

Oh yeah.

Congrats to Red, our resident Otis Campbell clone and all round screw head.

This is one king hell thread you started.

100 pages +, that ain't bad.

[packrulz]

This guy says TT had a good draft: http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/At-the-Senior-Bowl-Jones-became-%E2%80%98their-man%E2%80%99/d29a93bd-32c0-4ef2-bd35-2bbad67afa3c

[red]

If I sort by Views, I get 2013 draft thread in second after Official Living Legend. 2008 draft thread nowhere in sight.

But more importantly, due to the wonders of non-football fans and Tebow, look how many views the Tebow thread has versus posts.

We should name every thread after Tim and watch the money roll in for Mad.

Or wait ...

i don't know what you're looking at, or maybe its just a smaller window. but if i go to my profile, then click on all threads i started i can find the 2008 draft thread. it had 1700+ posts and over 38,000 views

living legend will never fall though. 400+ pages, over 300,000 views. thats just nuts

[3irty1]

i don't know what you're looking at, or maybe its just a smaller window. but if i go to my profile, then click on all threads i started i can find the 2008 draft thread. it had 1700+ posts and over 38,000 views

living legend will never fall though. 400+ pages, over 300,000 views. thats just nuts

That thread was a steaming pile of shit though. You're #1 in my book.

[MadtownPacker]

Attention Whore Red claiming he made the draft thread great is worst then if Kiper claimed everyone watched the draft to see his hair.

[red]

Attention Whore Red claiming he made the draft thread great is worst then if Kiper claimed everyone watched the draft to see his hair.

my hair is better then kipers

[woodbuck27]

That thread was a steaming pile of shit though. You're #1 in my book.

Favre! Favre !! Favre !!!

[Bretsky]

In all years past we had day 1, day 2, and day 3 draft day threads....so the question begs....how many did Red have to blow to keep everything in this thread......lol

[woodbuck27]

This guy says TT had a good draft: http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-1/At-the-Senior-Bowl-Jones-became-%E2%80%98their-man%E2%80%99/d29a93bd-32c0-4ef2-bd35-2bbad67afa3c

It's getting better every day with me now that that Trade Transaction Value Issue is coming 'to light'.

I wasn't aware of all these other charts. TT actually handled the San Fran Transactions extremely well based on the new chart I used in analysis. The one it sure appears now that the Packers and San Fran used last Friday evening.

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

OK, Woody, we're cool and all.

The draft charts are a tool and are a part of any trade involving picks, but not the end all be all judge of the deal.

Let's take a nuetral example.

The Browns got a whole village of high picks to make the Julio Jones deal a couple years ago. 2 #1's and other great picks, 5 in all. That draft pick value's were all in Cleve's favor, but after this year's draft that deal is definitely in favor of The Birds and Julio Jones. Becuase ATL wanted that guy, Julio Jones to pair with Roddy White. Cleve? they were lead by GM washout (Pres at the time) Mikey Homgren. New Brown GM Mike Lombardi spent this draft trying to forge together a future for Cleveland after Holmgren's fuck-up. The charts show the Brownies "won" but the results were that Cleveland screwed it up.

Those charts are just numbers. The whole thing changes when the numbers start to become the actual players. TT stated that the charts are just a bunch of numbers & he's freakin' right.

Woody I got on your ass because you were critiquing TT & the GBP's draft based on draft charts. Not only that, the values you were all worried about were negligable. SF skinned the Pack because was a 9 point difference under the old JJchart? That's bullshit. Nobody got taken OR got over one way or the other.

Now is the time to strap it up and get playing. We'll see a little during OTA's and a lot more when camp and the Pre starts.

TT picked 11 guys. Their play will figure out what deal was good and what was bad, not charts, tables, or any calculations.

I don't know if the draft was good or bad yet.

I am still puzzle about the 3rd rnd hole, but maybe the 3 4th rnd boys will cover
Thompson on that one.

The time to find out is nearing.

That getting on my ass doesn't bother me. I respect you KY. You surely know that. I'll admit my confusion based on all I knew. When I don't agree with something. 'NO HELL' can shake me off trying to get to the bottom of it.

I looked at the LINKS to the New Trade Value Charts that Patler posted sometime last night. I spotted one that looked good to go and analyzed the Packer >>>San Fran 49ers transactions this morning >>> and BINGO!

I've been very busy on all this stuff. I'm yet to study the info. that 3irty1 posted on this thread. I'll get to all of that including all that Patler posted. I've been busy trying to sort this all out inside of myself. I'm still not there >>> but closer.

I'm still seeing Wist43's argument. I see things that really bother me too.

The bottom line >>> the boat will come out of the fog. :wink:

Problem solved.... not there totally >>> but working on that.

I'm a realist and TT did the best he could. His intentions are solid and I believe he's a decent man.

PACKERS!

[Upnorth]

Franklin has some potential

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=nfcnorth&id=56057

With our line yac is important

[pbmax]

In all years past we had day 1, day 2, and day 3 draft day threads....so the question begs....how many did Red have to blow to keep everything in this thread......lol

Killjoy!

[MJZiggy]

my hair is better then kipers

Oh really!?

[mission]

I think Red owes Woody a big thanks :lol:

[Old School]

Congrats, Red! Looking past the quantity tho, it was the quality that made following this year's draft enjoyable and informative for me. I start this Packer season with a much clearer picture of where the Packers are working from. While I don't obsess over every little controversial issue, I do like to think I have an idea of what's going on. Thanks to all, I think this year I have a leg up.

[Fritz]

Red, you're a crazy funny mofo. I don't agree with about half your football posts, but there doesn't seem to be any malice or anything, so it's all good.

The Favre thread is like a cluster of cancer cells gone wild. It is what it is.

This one, however, often had some good football discussion.

[woodbuck27]

Jaysus KY...This is a tad like I imagine waterboarding must be like.

Do I have to face the fricken inquisition here at Packerrats. The Packerrats 'Secret Society For All Things Are Wonderful With Ted Thompson'?

If so screw it. I'd rather reside on an ice paddy in the Arctic. Eating baby whale blubber and drinking seal oil.

Do you still not realize why I was where I was last Saturday evening? What was revealed to me here at Packerrats that saved me from 'that place'?

This is Fr. your post to me above. I didn't see the impact of it in terms of the negative 'on me' until today.

" Woody I got on your ass because you were critiquing TT & the GBP's draft based on draft charts. Not only that, the values you were all worried about were negligable. SF skinned the Pack because was a 9 point difference under the old JJchart? That's bullshit. Nobody got taken OR got over one way or the other." KYPack

Wow KY ! Your burnin' my ass here ! :smile:

The Math's (arithmetic) is simple. I don't get worked up over 'negligible'. It didn't look 'negligible'... last Friday, KY. I'll go through this again 'in case' you missed it in a previous post. I always try to back myself up. To support any position. I didn't pull this whole thing out of a hat.

In review:

It 'just simply' looked bad on the Green Bay Packers as I analyzed his first and second trades with San Fran 49ers.

Just like it looked worse on the Dallas Cowboys in their Rd. 1 transaction with San Fran. Exchanging Picks #18 and #31. This I discoverd doing research looking for answers. It's not like I can tap you on the shoulder or call you up on the telephone and ask... " What in hell is going on."


I'll go over this again. Specifically in terms as I saw it in this draft.

Armed with **all I was aware of, in terms of TT's transactions with the San Fran 49ers. I'll confine this to Packer >>><<<San Fran 49ers transactions last Friday evening in Rd. 2 and Rd. 3.

**The Standard and still accepted today JJ Trade Value Chart according to publications. This chart>>> certainly is still used. I posted much evidence of that as a fact. Several draft sites 'only' reference the JJ Trade value Chart as I posted before.

I'll go so far as to assure you KY. I believe that I'm NOT the 'only' member of Packerrats that wasn't aware of these other 'NEW'... Trade Value Charts.

The charts that are being posted at Packerrats this week and /or articles of such. ie By Patler and 3irty1.

Before this week this was 'the Gospel and Draft Transactions' in my world and on every Draft Site I've used:

The 'so called' ... 'Jimmy Johnson inspired' ... Trade Value Chart.

That TVC is prominant on severaly Internet draft sites. I thought that I posted LINK's to you KY.

I've come full circle all the way to Ted Thompson and this. I posted my calculation on a Patler supplied TVC that proves that TT did it bang on.

TT was bang on. TT got it right. TT's 'the man'. :alc:

KY ... We're on the same side here.

I'll do it again..... Here's the JJ TVC

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php


As I used the JJ Chart and looked at the transactions. Not having any knowledge of any other charts. The trading loss for us wasn't small. It was rather significant.

The total difference's before compensation:

Transaction 1: Rd. 2 Exchange of Picks #55 and #61>>> 58 Points

Transaction 2: Rd. 3 Exchange of Picks #88 and #93 >>> 22 Points

Total = 80 Pts ... Minus the compensations:

Transaction 1: Rd. 6 Pick #173 = 22.2 Points

Transaction 2: Rd. 7 Pick #216 = 5.0 Points

80 - 27.2 points = 52.8 Points >>>Trade Value Loss >>> or Approx. ** Rd. 4 Pick 121

The total loss for the Green Bay Packers in transactions with San Fran 49ers using the JJ TVC:

Would have certainly been significant. That would have been something like a potential Josh Sitton. He was drafted by Ted Thompson in the 2008 Draft at Round 4 Pick #135.

In this draft Rd. 4 Pick #121 was used by the Indy Colts to pick Center Khaled Holmes Fr, USC.

I'm pretty sure that the Colts are hoping for a significant contribution from this prospect.

That's exactly why I was annoid KY. Using all I had to make a calculation it appeared clearly that TT was getting whipped. Whipped by the Green Bay Packers 'Team to Beat'. The San Fran 49ers.

I have to defend myself here KY. Did you expect less of me? I never imagined I'd have to do this in regards to you. That you'd call me out.

WOW.

GO PACK GO !

[KYPack]

Woody, you were concillatory last nite and got all fired up again this am., eh?

I was only calling you out because you were using incorrect data. Others did too. If you look back in this thread, Ras was trying to tell you the JJ chart that's on the net is like the ol' one hoss shay. A great thing once that is now in the past.

You were criticizing a guy who is the master of his board and a great manipulator of the draft. TT turned his allotment of picks into 11 selections, some of whom should really help the club win.

But....

You could turn out to be right, for some wrong reasons.

This shapes up to be a great draft for the GBP, but there are many storm clouds on the horizon.

Jones looks good, but is NOT a sure thing. As good as his measurables are, he has a lot of tweener tendenacies. He's a small 5 tech and OLB cover may not be in his skill set, yet. I hope he surprises us, but a sure thing, he ain't.

The two backs are highly rated in any pre-draft breakdowns, but they both have ?'s hanging over 'em.

Lacy appears to be the complete package, but he is a plodder. And he plodded behind the best line in the country in college. At his best, he reminds me of Marshawn Lynch, but could turn out to be another Marion Barber.

Franklyn appears to also have a ton of upside. But he is smaller and has trouble breaking tackles at the line. You need to get him in space, where he creates problems. At his max upside, he reminds me of Marshall Faulk. But he could be another BJack.

And so it goes thru our whole draft, some good college talent, but there are chinks in every one of 'em's armour.

Don't worry about those value charts anyway. They are mainly a sales tool once the draft gets rolling. Teams use 'em to convince other teams to trade picks with their team.

It's the players that are the focus. All the other shit is strictly voodoo.

I have no beef with you.

If you got problems with me, I'll be right here going over the racing form for my Derby picks.

Maybe you got a value chart or two that can help me make some good ones.

[woodbuck27]

Woody, you were concillatory last nite and got all fired up again this am., eh?

I was only calling you out because you were using incorrect data. Others did too. If you look back in this thread, Ras was trying to tell you the JJ chart that's on the net is like the ol' one hoss shay. A great thing once that is now in the past.

You were criticizing a guy who is the master of his board and a great manipulator of the draft. TT turned his allotment of picks into 11 selections, some of whom should really help the club win.

But....

You could turn out to be right, for some wrong reasons.

This shapes up to be a great draft for the GBP, but there are many storm clouds on the horizon.

Jones looks good, but is NOT a sure thing. As good as his measurables are, he has a lot of tweener tendenacies. He's a small 5 tech and OLB cover may not be in his skill set, yet. I hope he surprises us, but a sure thing, he ain't.

The two backs are highly rated in any pre-draft breakdowns, but they both have ?'s hanging over 'em.

Lacy appears to be the complete package, but he is a plodder. And he plodded behind the best line in the country in college. At his best, he reminds me of Marshawn Lynch, but could turn out to be another Marion Barber.

Franklyn appears to also have a ton of upside. But he is smaller and has trouble breaking tackles at the line. You need to get him in space, where he creates problems. At his max upside, he reminds me of Marshall Faulk. But he could be another BJack.

And so it goes thru our whole draft, some good college talent, but there are chinks in every one of 'em's armour.

Don't worry about those value charts anyway. They are mainly a sales tool once the draft gets rolling. Teams use 'em to convince other teams to trade picks with their team.

It's the players that are the focus. All the other shit is strictly voodoo.

I have no beef with you.

If you got problems with me, I'll be right here going over the racing form for my Derby picks.

Maybe you got a value chart or two that can help [I]me make some good ones.

KY I respect you and I'm going to tell you right up what I must do over this crap.

Frankly it's got to so bad this off season>>> that it's just simply sad.

I never imagined I would act in accordance with 'blind sheep'.

I'm just going to be like Wist43 has to be for the sake of health. Sit back and watch it all fall apart.

TT has gotten beaten up so badly in this 'off season' or stagnated to such a high degree that the Green Bay Packers will be a decade in recovery.

This isn't in any manner got anything to do with Draft Transactions and Trade Value Charts.

This whole fricken thing is a mess.

There...I finally said it.

I can no longer lie to myself. I can no longer deny 'my shock'.

Jermichael Finley and $8.25 million$ CAP hit this season.

Clay Matthews and an average of $13 million$

Aaron Rodgers and an average of $22 million$ $40 million$ in his pockets over the course of this coming year. That's so pathetic.

Tramon Williams and a $8.5 million$ CAP hit this season. Good grief.

No real Vet help in FA. They come in>>>they leave and nothing.

BJ Raji and rumors that he will be the next to cash in. Ohh Boy..why?

It's simply too much KY.

GO ....ohh sure. It's all so very very sad.

[wist43]

TT drafted some decent players, but there are problems. Just as there were problems with last years crop.

Last year TT drafted almost all defense, but each of the players wasn't a natural fit for what they were going to be asked to do. It was up to Capers to design fronts that took max advantage of their talent - Capers obviously did not do that.

I like Jones, but didn't want him b/c I didn't think he was big enough to hold up full time at DE. I like the idea of him inside on passing downs though, he has good burst and can create trouble - all depends on how Capers uses him. Capers has routinely misused Raji, so there's no reason to trust that he will do right by Jones.

I also like Lacy to whatever extent, but see the running game as being faulty b/c of 1) McCarthy's 3 running plays playbook, and 2) underpowered, poor run blocking offensive linemen. To me, the biggest problem with our lack of running game is the OL - which just got a major overhaul after last nights annoncement of musical chairs.

What really set me off about this draft was TT's trade down in the 3rd round. Instead of a tough run defender (6'1, 341 lbs Brandon Williams), TT traded back and picked the smallest OT in the draft. The Packers have a template for offensive linemen and that hasn't changed... that's disheartening.

I do see Lacy and Franklin as upgrades over Benson and Harris, but not enough to justify 2nd and 4th round picks when we have such obvious problems in other areas. The Packers are a passing team first and foremost, MM frequently misplaces his cheat sheet with the running plays on it, and the OL is underpowered and undergoing a major reshuffle - these picks are watered down b/c of all those other fractors. The persian guy and Tretter won't offer help anytime soon.

The one developmental guy I really like is Johnson. If the jump in competition doesn't rattle him, he's got some physical talent.

[Fritz]

TT drafted some decent players, but there are problems. Just as there were problems with last years crop.

Last year TT drafted almost all defense, but each of the players wasn't a natural fit for what they were going to be asked to do. It was up to Capers to design fronts that took max advantage of their talent - Capers obviously did not do that.

I like Jones, but didn't want him b/c I didn't think he was big enough to hold up full time at DE. I like the idea of him inside on passing downs though, he has good burst and can create trouble - all depends on how Capers uses him. Capers has routinely misused Raji, so there's no reason to trust that he will do right by Jones.

I also like Lacy to whatever extent, but see the running game as being faulty b/c of 1) McCarthy's 3 running plays playbook, and 2) underpowered, poor run blocking offensive linemen. To me, the biggest problem with our lack of running game is the OL - which just got a major overhaul after last nights annoncement of musical chairs.

What really set me off about this draft was TT's trade down in the 3rd round. Instead of a tough run defender (6'1, 341 lbs Brandon Williams), TT traded back and picked the smallest OT in the draft. The Packers have a template for offensive linemen and that hasn't changed... that's disheartening.

I do see Lacy and Franklin as upgrades over Benson and Harris, but not enough to justify 2nd and 4th round picks when we have such obvious problems in other areas. The Packers are a passing team first and foremost, MM frequently misplaces his cheat sheet with the running plays on it, and the OL is underpowered and undergoing a major reshuffle - these picks are watered down b/c of all those other fractors. The persian guy and Tretter won't offer help anytime soon.

The one developmental guy I really like is Johnson. If the jump in competition doesn't rattle him, he's got some physical talent.


It all comes down to whether or not you Trust in Ted. I too would have liked Brandon Williams as a nose tackle to hold that line, but I figure Ted knew who the guy was - knew scads more about him than you and I and his mama put together - and didn't think he'd help the team, at least no more than other guys would. So he traded down.

You see an orgnanization that has ill-fitting parts - Ted drafts odd-sized ducks whom Capers then does not know how to use; McCarthy and Thompson both like small offensive linemen who get pushed around.

I think Thompson is one of the top three GM's in the business, period. We just won't agree.

My hope is that another SB win in the next year or two will convince you that I am correct.

[woodbuck27]

Hi KY: I need to pay your last post some proper respect but first I need to get this off my chest:

Earlier today>>>I actually got to someplace I seldom go to>>>overwhelmed. I just needed a break >>> some rest. I'm going in two directions in my Green Bay Packer fanness. (-:

I 'm well aware of the efforts that TT and his crew made in regards to trying to return a running game to the Green Bay Packers. That's too obvious as a result of this draft. I've been hoping for such a focus myself as a Packer fan. I'm clearly on the record here as to that focus. Espwecially that and this draft after Ted Thompson wasn't able to land former RAM's RB Stephen Jackson>>>who's now an Atlanta Falcon.

Ohh... I write all this shit out because maybe some observer of Packerrats is reading the threads and isn't 'as clued in', as alot of the hardcore Packerrats.

I really try hard to dot my I's and cross my T's; inspite of that, sometimes fail. I'm a lowly human.

A Running Game and Packers:

I believed if TT employed such a strategy in this draft that would help to protect Aaron Rodgers. If it works out and MM actually uses it more consistently in games; or takes some necessary shine away from Aaron Rodgers. I hope it doesn't have to be $$$TOP MONEY$$$. All the records, press and glory.

I really wonder if that's possible?

I've posted this on one other thread after discovering it this AM while rummaging through the NET:

Ted Thomson and Crew had an excellent draft. I never just swollow news. I check it out myself. I'm an independent because with that I can be more sure of my positions. Try to contribute real good from that center.

If I get it down here maybe? ... just maybe? the fricken' label will come off of me. Hell I used the wrong Draft Trade Value Chart. That got me very concerned ... whoopi fricken' doo. What a flying fart shame. Tar and feather me. Catch me first >>>> then it's :duel:

I'm a die hard Green Bay Packer fan for such a long time. I've earned the fricken' right to be concerned and damn well act upset. I've arrived exactly there. I need to express myself as clearly as I may. It's not like I'm 'in reality', hurtin' anyone as in, an assult of physically dangerous proportions.

I'm all centered on 'Peace and Harmony'. Yet ... I hate to lose. I've always known how to compete.

If you feel the need to get all smartass with me ...whatever it takes...fill your fricken' boots. If a member wants to come up against me personally I've always held my own. I hate that crap... but whatever it has to be. Want to get it on...bring it on. I'll take care of business, as I've always been raised to do. I stand down for no man/woman on this forum or elsewhere. That's simply not in my nature.

I feel in Green Bay Packer History: We're certainly at a cross roads. We can go NORTH to SMART or .......... South to a cesspool of such crap that you'll all live what some did here 1970 to 1993.

I can smell it from here. I've been smelling it too stongly all off season. I've been smelling it; 'south', since the conclusion of the 2010 season Packer fans. Yup ... since our fourth Super Bowl. That too many of you seem to need to straddle wrap yur arms around and almost hump .... point too as an excuse against any smart simple argument that we're slipping as a team. Maybe 'even... 'just maybe' falling behind some other NFL teams as a reality is an out to lunch, blasphamy.

What a load of horseshit that 'fools brigade' stance is. The good news is that in the recent Power Poll I read we're in 6th place. Not too bad considering we ignored or failed at anything that might give us some relief.

We did get some relief in this draft in terms of the future hopefully but right now this season ...please get real.

http://www.nfluk.com/opinions/articles/neil-and-jeff%E2%80%99s-nfc-draft-grades

That Super Bowl in my books >>>near ancient history. All 'well and dandy' >>> a big in terms of now and tomorrow a clear >>> so what !!

Pay close attention to Wist43. I might be fricken' dead tomorrow.

That's exactly, in case you might need to know to understand; where Wist43 and I align. You want to put Wist43 down becaue of one simple concept. He scares the MFing crap out of you. That's your buried deep inside of 'you' ... FEAR ... Packer fan.

Wist43 is simply the voice of common sense and reason. Some of you are so sucked under by this 'in Ted I (we)TRUST baloney'; and may God bless your lovely hearts. That your blind to the sensable posting of anyone even marginally trying to warn you as Wist43 clearly does.

I'm not headed any time soon, too far South of the right way NORTH I refer to above. This doesn't have a tap to do with any history and Revolutionary War either.

My NORTH is correct>>>the Way.

South is the loser way.

I've always said:

If you can't run with the big dogs then stay the 'H' on the fricken' porch and stop your fricken useless yelpin'. Greater minds need to concentrate. If anyone wants a piece of me it will likely get mean and brown and green. I'm no less now then I've ever been. That's really very fricken decent in terms of my rights and humanity. Ohh hell >>>it's Spring ... LOL. I still don't need that horseshit.

What I've seen in this off season; what I truly know I see. I'm one of those last souls on earth that could be brainwashed. What I've been seeing, and believed I saw last week. Should have ...well... got me; really very concerned; or I'm not worth 'a shaker of salt', as a GREEN BAY PACKER FAN.

Everyone at Packerrats with 'an ounce to a pound's sense of a clue'. The membership here certainly knows that I've never been a member of the 'go with the flow Happy Gang'. I've seen it too often, that such, becomes the 'Fools Brigade'. Then it's also this in me:

I also promote to each his own. Pick your side people.

I'm going to warn you. I certainly know my side is to be favoured. Noone who has ever come to know me has ever come down on me and not grown to learn about my brains, heart and right on MFerrrs'... wisdom. I'm far far from being a fool unless the fat ass self proclaimed too often bullshit establishment can't deal standing up with me.

If you don't get it or like it...tough ! It can work for you or against you. You choose ... not me.

I reached the fricken' tipping point KY, earlier today. I mean this damn off season was over the top too much bullshit nothing really going down even decent pour moi. This Off Season was suckin' the wind >>>HARD!

Now again I posted this earlier today somewhere in this goldmine of knowledge and all things football.

http://www.nfluk.com/opinions/articles/neil-and-jeff%E2%80%99s-nfc-draft-grades

I take real JOY in that as I havn't had much to cheer for since we almost or saw the glare of the Lombardi Trophy last....a long time ago... in terms of where we need to get to be.

In Ted we TRUST>>> I'm not >>> never will be >>> a sheep. I'd never join such a club. I'm not never have been a joiner and never saw the need to be that. Somehow I generally managed to be 'the guy', the fricken' leader, the 'toughest ass MFerrr', anyone could come across and 'only' when it was necessary to be such. I've never lost that lead in my pencil. I still do what's necessary and that's always stand on my blessed integrity.

I wasn't raised to get sucked into such banal garbage/blind trust. I was raised by really decent people >>> grandparents, parents, relatives, solid friends that I chose and who chose me, acquaintences and mentors from all walks of life. I've had such blessings of a truly rich and multi-layered life. I was blessed with a strong heart. A when I need to use it. A mean assed spirit that was cultivated by mean ass'd MFerrrs, that I never stood down from. No matter what their reputation was. I'm through merely living in tough surroundings ..tough. I'm also gentle well sweet. I'm Irish.

Every word I'm writing is my TRUTH. Who I am >>>my rep and legacy as a human being. To respect the other side but standing strong on my own observations and feelings about what I do see.

Sorry for the shock fellow Packerrats. I will use 'the Democratic Process'; to stand for my God given right as my Fathers son. To be a conscientious observer/ sometimes objector. To align with common sense and good judgement >>> to be RIGHT.

Peace Out Packer fans

GO PACK GO!

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I think Red owes Woody a big thanks :lol:

yup, he accounts for like 50% of the posts in here, if not more

i will say though, if woody were to break up each of his long single posts into 4 or 5 normal length posts, i would have made the favre thread my bitch

[woodbuck27]

It all comes down to whether or not you Trust in Ted. I too would have liked Brandon Williams as a nose tackle to hold that line, but I figure Ted knew who the guy was - knew scads more about him than you and I and his mama put together - and didn't think he'd help the team, at least no more than other guys would. So he traded down.

You see an orgnanization that has ill-fitting parts - Ted drafts odd-sized ducks whom Capers then does not know how to use; McCarthy and Thompson both like small offensive linemen who get pushed around.

I think Thompson is one of the top three GM's in the business, period. We just won't agree.

My hope is that another SB win in the next year or two will convince you that I am correct.

Just for the RECORD. I wonderd if Patler was trying to tie me down in terms of my concerns and DRAFT to some emotional bent and DT Brandon Williams.

That isn't the case.

I liked this prospect for obvious reasons.Size /strength MAX and a dedication to excellence. I considered his programme Vs say DT Sylvester William's football Program. For the longest while as I was working my MOCK I had Brandom Williams picked Round 2 Pick #55.

It didn't end up that way as I saw such need to try to protect Aaron rodgers as the most realistic priority concerning the investment that the Packers have in him. Also because Aaron Rodgers should be /deserves to be protected.

I imagfined that Brandon Williams would be off the board at Rd. 3 Pick #88. I elected OT Terron Armstead at Pick#55. I then concentrated on toughness in the middle...in Rd's 3 (Pick #88) and Rd.4 (Pick #122). My Mock addressed whay I deemed the Packers Four Priority Needs in Rounds 1 thru 4. I substituted SS ILB for 34 OLB as one of those priority needs. Hoping to find a solid targeted pick at 34 OLB later in my Mock Draft. The same for 'Feature' RB and 'Feature' WR.

I wanted a decent pick at QB (TT missed one there) and TE wasn't a priority. Given all the 'wanna be' TE's on our roster. I also wanted a CB but the bottom line I 'only' had eight picks.

By the way red >>> this thread is like the line between the fricken' English and dah Scot's and dah traitor Irish ... depicted in the Movie BRAVEHEART.

This thread has the potential now of being the keystone/cornerstone thread of Green bay Packer emerging history and Packerrats. The BEST NFL fan site on the internet.

Come on observers get in here and participate we need new blood. Help with the cause. That won't hurt you. You might get scratched up a wee bit. :grin: Come on in and join the discussion. Help... build Green Bay Packer forum history.

BRAVEHEART.

I believe some other poster made reference to that Mel Gibson 'Masterpiece'... yesterday.

Do you be knowin' red ... tha the term "Never trust an Irishman" has been credited back to that famous battle in British history? Well it's been credited to alot of times/places. Irish is Irish. The mercenaries of the world. Scratch a life or living any damn way yaa can. Just live life and never 'just' survive life.

What was that called..ahh yes...The Battle of Sterling bridge..... was it.....? Yes!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stirling_Bridge

That battle led by the famous Scot William Wallace 'of Reality or Legend' ... of Blind Harry's epic poem .... The Actes and Deidis of the Illustre and Vallyeant Campioun... Schir William Wallace. Ahh...

William Wallace ... much that is believed about him is probably the stuff of legend but I want to believe it. As the English can be such pompous and enterprizing fools. Not to insult any here of English heritage; but all the same 'just' saying and we all must own our history.

I don't want to be like the movie BRAVEHEART and cause such a stir against any establishment.

By the way... if William Wallace ever existed he surely didn't wear a kilt. Shockin' isn't it. Alot of things get 'just' that way:

Expanded >>>>>>>> to some clear lie. I hate liers. I can't stand foolish trickery. I like straight up 'no nonsence' get errrrr done focus.

Start a journey >> you better arrive. Otherwise... it's verrrry tiring.

GO PACKERS !

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my family not only conquered ireland in 1170, but after that time my family has bled irish green

[woodbuck27]

my family not only conquered ireland in 1170, but after that time my family has bled irish green

My Family:

Maternal/grandfather 'the Bell's' ... Scotland >>>N. Ireland
1400's ... 'shitkickers / artisians >>> New Brunswick, Canada Approx. 1820 >>> Shitkickers/artisians.

The Same with the maternal/grandmother Herron's 'artisians' '' and KirkPatrick's ... 'shitkickers/ artisians. Irish from County Fermanagh and County Donegal, N. Ireland and immigrated >>> Canada around 1820.

Paternal/Grandfather...The Wood's N. Ireland and in the British Miltary during 'the American War Of Independance' >>> New Brunswick, Canada just after that war>>> Military (mercenary soldiers) / shitkickers.

Paternal/Grandmother The Cogswell's Great Britian >>> New Brunswick, Canada, early 1780's

[woodbuck27]

my family not only conquered ireland in 1170, but after that time my family has bled irish green

Ahh ... Your of Norman Heritage Ehh!?

[Patler]

Just for the RECORD. I wonderd if Patler was trying to tie me down in terms of my concerns and DRAFT to some emotional bent and DT Brandon Williams.


I assure you, all I wanted to do was discuss, especially in regards to the draft, where I do little study of players before the draft.

I will explain one last time:

1. I pointed out that by trading down, TT eliminated the possibilities of drafting only a defined group of players, those chosen from the pick he traded to the pick he acquired in each instance.

2. I asked who the player(s) were that made it a mistake to trade down. My thinking was that if there was no player(s) to be identified in the group(s) created by each trade, then trading down hurt nothing. If it was a player picked from #93 to #108, then the trade with Miami hurt more than the trade(s) with SF. If you or others identified a few, or all agreed on one, then we could discuss those players and I could get a feel for myself whether trading down was a mistake or not.

4. When you identified Brandon Williams, I very innocently (or so I thought) asked if losing the opportunity to draft Brandon Williams was the key for you. Having Brandon Williams and probably Bakhtiari (after all, he was picked by TT ahead of both Tretter and Franklin) was better for the Packers than losing out on Williams, but getting all three of Bakhtiari, Tretter and Franklin.

5. At that point you accused me of being "tricky", playing "mind games", being a "homer" and wanting to cast you aside and/or paint you in a corner.

6. All I wanted to do was try and figure out what was so bothersome to you and others about the trades. What missed player opportunities made it so bad?


But, it doesn't matter to me anymore. As is typical for me this time of year, I have had all the "should have drafted....." discussion I can handle for a while. I am happy to discuss the players he did pick, but as to those he didn't pick, I really don't care until 2 or 3 years from now when we can look back and see how their NFL careers are developing.

[Bretsky]

It all comes down to whether or not you Trust in Ted. I too would have liked Brandon Williams as a nose tackle to hold that line, but I figure Ted knew who the guy was - knew scads more about him than you and I and his mama put together - and didn't think he'd help the team, at least no more than other guys would. So he traded down.

You see an orgnanization that has ill-fitting parts - Ted drafts odd-sized ducks whom Capers then does not know how to use; McCarthy and Thompson both like small offensive linemen who get pushed around.

I think Thompson is one of the top three GM's in the business, period. We just won't agree.

My hope is that another SB win in the next year or two will convince you that I am correct.


Who are the other two ? I'm curious to see who you consider the top 3 to be and which 29 he's a tier above.

[KYPack]

Woody,

Take it easy, pal.

The draft is ovah.

Focus on the ballclub, not all this draft stuff.

The sun will come up in the morning, no matter what.

[red]

Ahh ... Your of Norman Heritage Ehh!?

yes

[woodbuck27]

Woody, you were concillatory last nite and got all fired up again this am., eh?

I was only calling you out because you were using incorrect data. Others did too. If you look back in this thread, Ras was trying to tell you the JJ chart that's on the net is like the ol' one hoss shay. A great thing once that is now in the past.

You were criticizing a guy who is the master of his board and a great manipulator of the draft. TT turned his allotment of picks into 11 selections, some of whom should really help the club win.

But....

You could turn out to be right, for some wrong reasons.

This shapes up to be a great draft for the GBP, but there are many storm clouds on the horizon.

Jones looks good, but is NOT a sure thing. As good as his measurables are, he has a lot of tweener tendenacies. He's a small 5 tech and OLB cover may not be in his skill set, yet. I hope he surprises us, but a sure thing, he ain't.

The two backs are highly rated in any pre-draft breakdowns, but they both have ?'s hanging over 'em.

Lacy appears to be the complete package, but he is a plodder. And he plodded behind the best line in the country in college. At his best, he reminds me of Marshawn Lynch, but could turn out to be another Marion Barber.

Franklyn appears to also have a ton of upside. But he is smaller and has trouble breaking tackles at the line. You need to get him in space, where he creates problems. At his max upside, he reminds me of Marshall Faulk. But he could be another BJack.

And so it goes thru our whole draft, some good college talent, but there are chinks in every one of 'em's armour.

Don't worry about those value charts anyway. They are mainly a sales tool once the draft gets rolling. Teams use 'em to convince other teams to trade picks with their team.

It's the players that are the focus. All the other shit is strictly voodoo.

I have no beef with you.

If you got problems with me, I'll be right here going over the racing form for my Derby picks.

Maybe you got a value chart or two that can help me make some good ones.

Back to this KY:

Woody, you were concillatory last nite and got all fired up again this am., eh?

** I felt obligated to defend my position KY. A position/stance that I felt was defined yesterday. A position of totally finding 'for ' the Packers and 'Fair Trade Value' based in 'the correct Draft/Trade Transaction Evaluation Chart'.

I don't make BIG of small matters/issues.

I had used a TVC that in a specific anlaysis of the Packers transactions with San Fran. Wasn't 'in fact' used specifically in their transaction.Yet... is still used inspite of it's age and arguably not up with the times. The TRUTH of that is covered in LINKs that I provided in an earlier post to you as I recall it KY.

That fact was IMO proved by myself in a seperate post in this thread using a method or Chart for Fair Trade Evaluation from a LINK supplied by Patler. One of 3-4 LINK's supplied by Patler and 3irty1.

Using that reference and in my analysis I discovered vindication for TT and his team. Vindication for what I originally believed was carelessness in regards to attaining fair trade value. Carelessness that originally alarmed me.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :???: woodbuck27

I was only calling you out because you were using incorrect data. Others did too. If you look back in this thread, Ras was trying to tell you the JJ chart that's on the net is like the ol' one hoss shay. A great thing once that is now in the past.

I certainly in terms of Packer-San Fran trading in this draft used the wrong chart.

Such use revealed a rather large discrepency between Fair Trade value and actual trade value if it was 'in fact' used. Thus my alam. See above for my final conclusion after some further evaluation with the assistance of Patler and 3irty1. Thank you Packer fans. woodbuck27

You were criticizing a guy who is the master of his board and a great manipulator of the draft. TT turned his allotment of picks into 11 selections, some of whom should really help the club win.

We all I would expect hope so KY. woodbuck27

But....

You could turn out to be right, for some wrong reasons.

This shapes up to be a great draft for the GBP, but there are many storm clouds on the horizon.

Jones looks good, but is NOT a sure thing. As good as his measurables are, he has a lot of tweener tendenacies. He's a small 5 tech and OLB cover may not be in his skill set, yet. I hope he surprises us, but a sure thing, he ain't.

The two backs are highly rated in any pre-draft breakdowns, but they both have ?'s hanging over 'em.

Lacy appears to be the complete package, but he is a plodder. And he plodded behind the best line in the country in college. At his best, he reminds me of Marshawn Lynch, but could turn out to be another Marion Barber.

Franklyn appears to also have a ton of upside. But he is smaller and has trouble breaking tackles at the line. You need to get him in space, where he creates problems. At his max upside, he reminds me of Marshall Faulk. But he could be another BJack.

And so it goes thru our whole draft, some good college talent, but there are chinks in every one of 'em's armour.

TT and his team drafted in accordance with what they deemed best based on criteria that is to use TT's terminology 'classified' I would expect. Do I agree with all of his selections or his overall strategy?

NO.

Do I hope that this draft class turns out very satisfactory too excellent?

Of course I do. woodbuck27

Don't worry about those value charts anyway. They are mainly a sales tool once the draft gets rolling. Teams use 'em to convince other teams to trade picks with their team.

It's the players that are the focus. All the other shit is strictly voodoo.

I have no beef with you.

If you got problems with me, I'll be right here going over the racing form for my Derby picks.

Maybe you got a value chart or two that can help me make some good ones

We're all square if you understand and believe the above. I generally am sincere and certainly that over serious matters.

Later KY woodbuck27


GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

I assure you, all I wanted to do was discuss, especially in regards to the draft, where I do little study of players before the draft.

I will explain one last time:

1. I pointed out that by trading down, TT eliminated the possibilities of drafting only a defined group of players, those chosen from the pick he traded to the pick he acquired in each instance.

2. I asked who the player(s) were that made it a mistake to trade down. My thinking was that if there was no player(s) to be identified in the group(s) created by each trade, then trading down hurt nothing. If it was a player picked from #93 to #108, then the trade with Miami hurt more than the trade(s) with SF. If you or others identified a few, or all agreed on one, then we could discuss those players and I could get a feel for myself whether trading down was a mistake or not.

4. When you identified Brandon Williams, I very innocently (or so I thought) asked if losing the opportunity to draft Brandon Williams was the key for you. Having Brandon Williams and probably Bakhtiari (after all, he was picked by TT ahead of both Tretter and Franklin) was better for the Packers than losing out on Williams, but getting all three of Bakhtiari, Tretter and Franklin.

5. At that point you accused me of being "tricky", playing "mind games", being a "homer" and wanting to cast you aside and/or paint you in a corner.

6. All I wanted to do was try and figure out what was so bothersome to you and others about the trades. What missed player opportunities made it so bad?


But, it doesn't matter to me anymore. As is typical for me this time of year, I have had all the "should have drafted....." discussion I can handle for a while. I am happy to discuss the players he did pick, but as to those he didn't pick, I really don't care until 2 or 3 years from now when we can look back and see how their NFL careers are developing.

Patler I'm sorry that it's difficult for me to totally TRUST you. I've observed you post for some time .You need to be right. I need to understand. I'm about getting it to BEST man. I am ... and have always been all about team concept >>> towords fulfilling maximum focus on goals.

Ted Thompson 'in my view', simply plunders along and fails to impress me in terms of what I deem is effective assertiveness. I don't know if he's anal or what; but it's simply rather strange the way he operates. I set any accolade or award or recognition aside. He's one very strange gentleman to me.

This too. I certainly do NOT dislike Ted Thompson moreso... hate Ted Thompson. That claim of an attitude towords me is an outright defamation of who I am. I'm far far removed from being 'a hater'. There's plenty on the record here at Packerrats that proves that's a fact. I'm not capable of hatred.

Any such claim of that against me is clearly a preposterous character assination ploy. A low life know little stinkin' to heaven attitude. The poster that goes there Vs me is clearly more than simply mistaken.

I'll take this to another level and my observations and you Patler. Maybe this will help you understand me!??

As ridiculous as this may seem to you or anyone here.

Over the course of what? ... 7-8 years of you posting and me interacting or observing you. Many times and please understand, that I do know the difference .... your NOT Ted Thompson.

Yet... you post in defense of Ted Thompson, as if you could be Ted Thompson. You've being very defensive. Very apologetic of that man.

There's where the TRUST issue. woodbuck27>>>Patler >>> LIVES.

Your 'of course' a solid poster. That fact cannot be denied. Your also extremely defensive of Ted Thompson, in my view. I've generally watched TT like a hawk. When he arrived I knew that the times... they were... a changin'.

I've observed far too much now in terms of Ted Thompson to ever totally TRUST Ted Thompson. See how that, as maybe unfair as it is to you >>> swings to you, Patler?

Now having posted that let me post this. It's me that has the issue here not you. Maybe in real life and mano o mano I'd enjoy you. We might learn something from one another. You might even get a real laugh with me .I'm as down to earth as it gets and lots of fun.

This is instead our reality. As we live at Packerrats. I accept the disparity. The challenge that offers me.

Where am I at today. Well Patler.... It's now a week less one day, from the time that all the picks are in.

I'll now go to some specifics so you at least can plug away at me if you need to. I'll dangle a fat worm in front of you Patler.

I'll present different views as well. Just some that I see. There are more.

Let's start here:

I was surprized that TT didn't use Rd. 3 Pick #88 or then Pick #93. I was so psyched again early Saturday for 'the Real TT Show' and in my view; the best I can still personally give him is a mixed review. None of these expert analysts were right there we're as deep into anything Green Bay Packer, as I am.

If I was armed with all the ten picks that that man had on Saturday. My draft would 'in fact' blow TT's away. Sorry for that Packer fans. It's not arrogance ... it's just that I put my time in; was fully prepared to watch TT like a fricken' hawk in terms of performance and he flat out let me down with his elected options in Rd. 4.

The exception is I loved his election on RB Johnathn Franklin. That might be TT's Crowning Achievement in his draft class. Yet that cost him about what he gained trading down once and then twice out of Rd. 3. He had Pick #88 and elected to slide to pick 109 and OT David Bakhtiari. That's 20 players he let pass by him. He did that right in the last heart of that draft.

If he uses #88 he gets a solid player, that should certainly be a better fit for the Packers 'as a Prospect' than the prospect with a lower Grade (whatever) than he selected at #109. He still uses #122 in Rd. 4 to pick RB Johnathan Franklin. Your argument is that TT's way wins because he gets two - two - two mints for the price of one.

How are we ever going to know? If the two OT's bust the argument will go. Well that's the breaks. My position and I believe that Wist43's position. Maybe? ...more posters position here; might be. Let's use Pick #88 in Rd. 3.

With the announcement FR. MM RE: the plans for the Packers OL. The only position that's seemingly secure is Center. Isn't that a bit wierd to you? Maybe Packerrats might have elected a Center at RD. 3 Pick #88? Those Packerrats may also agree to denying San Fran 49ers, any whiff of help by the Green Bay Packers.

Going with Saturday as it was at the begining.

Why not OT David Bakhtiari at #109 and use #122 for RB Johnathan Franklin?

A very solid WR was right there as well. Maybe a trade back into Rd. 4 Pick #125 for WR Quinton Patton, 6'0" 204, Louisiana Tech; Pick 31, Round 4 (128)

Good enough for the 49ers with a; 'I Guess Maybe!' Grade of 83.8? That WR was actually positioned so far up the board that some team might have comfortably picked him in Rd. 2 / Top Rd.3. That WR is easily 'a better prospect' with the accent on the word 'prospect'... than the two that TT and his team selected.

Maybe....read up on that steal for the San Fran 49er, Patler if you find time.There is a very interesting story about just how pleased/excited WR Quinton Patton was to be selected to join the San Fran 49ers. I would have loved Quinton Patton in a Packer Uni.

All that aside Patler...

Wouldn't that option at WR in your estimation... TRUMP WR Kevin Dorsey, Maryland and 7 TD's in two years and Graded at 50.1?

I see holes too below Pick Rd. 4....or at Picks ( Rd. 5 #159; #167 Compensatory; Rd.6 #193 and Rd. 7 #232 (all original picks).

Easily TT and his team could have improved RE: the better bet and use of Rd. 7 Pick #232. Did you see that QB that was sitting right there waiting to be snapped up? :

Rd. 7 Pick #234 QB Zac Dysert, 6'3" 231, Miami (OH)... a solid QB with a Grade of 83.5.

A rock solid gift, an absolute steal for the Denver Broncos. That's certainly the case in terms of weighng a prospect. If you have the time Patler... (again).... read up on that guy. I was well aware of him and so many that were on the board(yes my board) because I put so much effort into getting ready for this draft. I mean I busted my ass to be ready.

This too Patler. I too accept what TT and his Draft team gave to our team as a Draft Class. I posted a grading for their efforts that was Top Shelf.

How good could it have been? I will never buy into this :

Only TT and his Scout Team know the WAY. WOW! Sorry.....I'm not buying that.


GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

TT drafted some decent players, but there are problems. Just as there were problems with last years crop.

Last year TT drafted almost all defense, but each of the players wasn't a natural fit for what they were going to be asked to do. It was up to Capers to design fronts that took max advantage of their talent - Capers obviously did not do that.

I like Jones, but didn't want him b/c I didn't think he was big enough to hold up full time at DE. I like the idea of him inside on passing downs though, he has good burst and can create trouble - all depends on how Capers uses him. Capers has routinely misused Raji, so there's no reason to trust that he will do right by Jones.

I also like Lacy to whatever extent, but see the running game as being faulty b/c of 1) McCarthy's 3 running plays playbook, and 2) underpowered, poor run blocking offensive linemen. To me, the biggest problem with our lack of running game is the OL - which just got a major overhaul after last nights annoncement of musical chairs.

What really set me off about this draft was TT's trade down in the 3rd round. Instead of a tough run defender (6'1, 341 lbs Brandon Williams), TT traded back and picked the smallest OT in the draft. The Packers have a template for offensive linemen and that hasn't changed... that's disheartening.

I do see Lacy and Franklin as upgrades over Benson and Harris, but not enough to justify 2nd and 4th round picks when we have such obvious problems in other areas. The Packers are a passing team first and foremost, MM frequently misplaces his cheat sheet with the running plays on it, and the OL is underpowered and undergoing a major reshuffle - these picks are watered down b/c of all those other fractors. The persian guy and Tretter won't offer help anytime soon.

The one developmental guy I really like is Johnson. If the jump in competition doesn't rattle him, he's got some physical talent. Wist43

What really set me off about this draft was TT's trade down in the 3rd round.

Yes. Just focusing there and projecting analysis, to his subsequent move (s) in Round 4:

What did 'TT and his Draft Crew' really mine >>>trading down 2X to neglect a pick in Round 3? It's tough to mine water with a shovel. Ted Thompson is obsessed with 'a watered down product'. It's not like he had a situation like Bill belichick; what? five picks, entering this draft.

TT had a solid >>> eight (8) picks.

Look at another team and it's GM (what may we learn?)

Bill Belichick panicked and traded down (Vikings) FR. his Rd. 1 Pick and didn't do great! The New England Pat's mined Rd. 4 # Josh Boyce, 5'11" 206 TCU Gr: 72.2 >>> a solid pick using that Rd. 1 (Vikings) transaction. All the same ... Was that move worth sacrificing a TOP 30 Prospect?

A GM should simply ask the same question of a 3rd. Round pick. Trade it for 'more likely' less!? Why? His why? has to be logical or 'plan focus based' ... work out in his future.

TT tossed an option to strengthen that 3rd pick essentially for 2X OLman that will ensure less in terms of ..... 'a prospect'. Even when TT chose JC Tretter he had several other options that would have been better (again) in relation to the term (prospect).

Then .... right after the draft we're learning that the OL will be shaken up. That shakeup ignores where we needed help...Center. Why not use Rd. 3 Pick #88 to select a solid prospect at the Center position?

Generally this and drafting:

You want to choose anything/ Do you go for less or more quality? What will generally last longer and perform better. Less or more quality?

Analyzing TT's decision to go pick 3 and 4 at OT>>>almost commits him to bye bye and at least one OT on our current roster.The EGO factor will RULE. I really believe that Ted Thompson is still on a rather steep learning currve.

I believe he has lots of room to grow as a NFL GM. He cannot fed forever off the likes of Aaron Rodgers who fell into his lap.A solid move>>> to snatch Clay Matthews. A great pick in now departed WR Greg Jennings. A solid eye for WR and James Jones, Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb.

With the exception of TJ Lang and Josh Sitton at Guard and Bryan Bulaga TT's struggled drafting BIG in the trench's >>> OL and DL. I'm holding my breath and DE Datone Jones. BJ Raji isn't working out as well as we hoped. He appears somehow ... unsettled >>>lethergic >>> tires. Maybe he simply needs to be introduced to Geritol?

TT's best move was to use Rd. 3 Pick #88 and deny San Fran 'anything more'; certainly that for what >>> a 7th Rd. pick. NO !

Use that Pick #88. Fill your boots right there. Don't trade back 20 positions. That 'HOLD @ Rd. 3 Pick #88 ... the luxury of taking advantage of that pick >>> makes clear sense.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Woody,

Take it easy, pal.

The draft is ovah.

Focus on the ballclub, not all this draft stuff.

The sun will come up in the morning, no matter what.

Of course I will KY ;-) >>> but right now there are other things to focus on>>> get to right.

PACKERS !