Grant and Peterson Compared

[Patler]

Let's step back here. The Giants have witnessed two of Ryan Grant's training camps and rated him to be below Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, Ahman Bradshaw, and Ruben Droughans.

Well, the same could be said for the Seahawks and Ahman Green. Not only did they see two of his training camps, they saw him play two seasons, and 30 regular season games with 61 rushing attempts for over 5yds/carry. Yet they determined he was expendable and gave him away for a skinny, frail cornerback who had not played well for the Packers the year before. They even threw in a 5th round draft choice in return for a 6th round pick in the deal to get rid of him

Sometimes one team DOES understand a player better than the team that has him!

[Bretsky]

Let's step back here. The Giants have witnessed two of Ryan Grant's training camps and rated him to be below Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, Ahman Bradshaw, and Ruben Droughans.

Well, the same could be said for the Seahawks and Ahman Green. Not only did they see two of his training camps, they saw him play two seasons, and 30 regular season games with 61 rushing attempts for over 5yds/carry. Yet they determined he was expendable and gave him away for a skinny, frail cornerback who had not played well for the Packers the year before. They even threw in a 5th round draft choice in return for a 6th round pick in the deal to get rid of him

Sometimes one team DOES understand a player better than the team that has him!

I don't like the Green to Grant comparison much

They traded Ahman for a CB that Holmgren was high on (even though he stunk) and was a 2nd round draft pick. Ahman Green was making the team and was their main backup. They just had their horse.

Barring injury NYG didn't think Grant would see the playing field much if at all. He was behind four RB's and it looked like he was the last RB being kept on the roster if he stuck. They were content getting something for him in a late round pick.

To me they clearly undervalued Ryan Grant.

I think Grant is very good and can make some Pro Bowls. My main point is he doesn't have the elite talent AP does.

[SkinBasket]

You got a mouse in your pocket? Who is this "we" you're referring to?

We is a term I use that is designed to say a mistake was made, but that it was a common, human mistake that we all can and do make from time to time. I acctually jumped on the Kampy band wagon pretty fast, but I was trying to say a lot of the Kamp hate went on for too long by too many people without being a big Ahole and pointing fingers. For some reason I'm not suprised this communication tactic is lost on you, skinbasket. I'll tell you what, for you it can be a mouse in my pocket or whatever your bitter, cynical, baselessly arrogant mind wants to assume, ok?

Took you four edits to get all your girl-anger out? Or is that a "communication tactic" too?

[RashanGary]

Took you four edits to get all your girl-anger out? Or is that a "communication tactic" too?

That's the, I make my post before I proof read it (and sometimes seeing it the post form helps to find mistakes) tactic. Again, it can be whatever you want it to be, skinbasket.

Girl-anger? Very original. It probably felt good for you though. I hope you rest better tonight.

Well, my better half is coming back from a two day trip. I think I'll go get the house in order so she doesn't have to deal with added stress after her three hour trip. Maybe you can find something better to do with your time than tossing around insults, even if you think they are the most wonderfull, clever little gifts this forum has ever recieved.

[Pacopete4]

the thing is.. no matter how good u are u need both parts of the game, passing and rushing... i'll take favre and grant over peterson and whoever the hell the vikes find to stand under center any day...

[Patler]

I don't like the Green to Grant comparison much

They traded Ahman for a CB that Holmgren was high on (even though he stunk) and was a 2nd round draft pick. Ahman Green was making the team and was their main backup. They just had their horse.

Barring injury NYG didn't think Grant would see the playing field much if at all. He was behind four RB's and it looked like he was the last RB being kept on the roster if he stuck. They were content getting something for him in a late round pick.

To me they clearly undervalued Ryan Grant.

I think Grant is very good and can make some Pro Bowls. My main point is he doesn't have the elite talent AP does.

I agree, Grant was undervalued by the Giants. I don't think anyone is really suggesting he has the talent Peterson does. Green was also undervalued by the Seahawks.

The Seahawks didn't have their "horse" at the time of the trade. They had an aging Ricky Watters going into his 10th season. The trade was made before the draft, and the Seahawks ultimately picked Shaun Alexander after trading Green, but they could have used that pick for someone else and kept Green as Watters replacement. The Seahawks didn't know what they had in Ahman Green.

[VegasPackFan]

There is one huge advantage that Grant has over AP - MILEAGE.

I was concerned about AP coming out of college in terms of the number of carries he came with, and the wear and tear that his running style had to have affected his body up to this point.

Grant comes with almost no mileage at all. He may be around years after Peterson is used up.

[SkinBasket]

Well, my better half is coming back from a two day trip. I think I'll go get the house in order so she doesn't have to deal with added stress after her three hour trip. Maybe you can find something better to do with your time than tossing around insults, even if you think they are the most wonderfull, clever little gifts this forum has ever recieved.

Wuss.

[Patler]

There is one huge advantage that Grant has over AP - MILEAGE.

I was concerned about AP coming out of college in terms of the number of carries he came with, and the wear and tear that his running style had to have affected his body up to this point.

Grant comes with almost no mileage at all. He may be around years after Peterson is used up.

I guess time will tell if Peterson's running style is detrimental to his longevity.

As for number of "touches" in college, the difference is not as much as you might expect. Peterson played 3 season, missed some games due to injuries and seems to have had 761 carries and receptions. Grant played four seasons at ND and had 584. With Perterson you also get a 22 year old, while Grant is 25. Some say 29-30 is the magic age of decline for most running backs.

[DannoMac21]

Mind if I use this post at another site?

[DannoMac21]

Boy am I getting bashed for making this post over at FootballsFuture's General Forum...

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=3462743#3462743

[Patler]

Boy am I getting bashed for making this post over at FootballsFuture's General Forum...

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB...462743#3462743

Again, I'm not suggesting that they are anywhere near each other in raw talent, but, and Rastak can correct me if I am wrong, I doubt that Peterson was facing defenses specifically designed to stop him until sometime around the middle of the season, after he had proven himself. Now it's true that Minnesota's passing game does not garner a lot of respect, so in that respect teams have approached them more concerned about the running game than the passing game. After his return from injury when teams have really had a chance to see him from earlier game tapes, and designed defenses to stop him, he has not done quite as well. I'm not sure how much can be attributed to lingering effects from the injury. Perhaps Rastak can fill us in on that, too.

I fully expect AP to challenge for the rushing title year after year. I hope Grant can be a guy to routinely have 250-300 carries a season for 1100-1400 yards. In a down year like this year that will put him near the top. In a more typical year he will rank in the top 5-15 with that type of performance. That will complement the Packers passing game quite well.

[MadtownPacker]

Boy am I getting bashed for making this post over at FootballsFuture's General Forum...

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB...462743#3462743

Thats bullshit that you use it and then dont even put a fucking link or give Vince any type of credit for shit.

[b bulldog]

Grant reminds me of a young, healthy eddie george.

[GBRulz]

Boy am I getting bashed for making this post over at FootballsFuture's General Forum...

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB...462743#3462743

Considering that one of the Queen fans over there has "TJack is the next Brett Favre" in his sig, I wouldn't worry too much about what is said over there.

The "AP for SB MVP 2010" sig is a good one, too.