Grant and Peterson Compared

[HarveyWallbangers]

Should we start bumping posts where Partial is wrong?

[Bossman641]

Should we start bumping posts where Partial is wrong?

Do we really want to flood the first page like that?

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Basic comprehension tells me this a thread where the merits of AP are compared to those of RG. No where reading the title do I think "oh, someone thinks RG is as good as AP"... not sure how anyone would think anything close to that.

Have no idea what's comical about the title... Partial must know something we don't.

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How talented is Adrian Peterson? Talented enough that the Pro Bowl running back played a significant role in luring a Hall of Fame quarterback out of retirement.

"It was a big factor," Brett Favre said Wednesday when asked how much Peterson's presence factored into Favre's decision to return. "I've played with some really good running backs in my career. This guy is obviously special."

Favre said this three days after Peterson rushed for 180 yards and three touchdowns in the Vikings' 34-20 Week 1 victory over Cleveland. Included was a 64-yard touchdown run in which Peterson broke six tackles.

"That last touchdown run, if you really look at it, it was a really huge hole; those couple of moves he made there at the end were fun to watch," Favre said. "Just the little bit of time I've been with him I've seen him make some outstanding plays."

Favre, who exchanged messages this summer with Peterson, said he has been impressed by Peterson's work ethic, his passion for the game and his poise.

"I never see him get ruffled," Favre said. "[Running backs coach] Eric Bieniemy is constantly yelling at Adrian to do this, do that and he just takes it. Takes it all in. And that's hard to do. In order to be a special player, you have to have a lot of good qualities, and he has those."

So how good can Peterson be? "I mean no disrespect to any running back, whether I played with him or didn't," Favre said. "He's in the early stages of his career, and barring any injuries or anything, this guy can be as good as any running back that's ever played. ... It's just unbelievable what he can do."

[ThunderDan]

How talented is Adrian Peterson? Talented enough that the Pro Bowl running back played a significant role in luring a Hall of Fame quarterback out of retirement.

"It was a big factor," Brett Favre said Wednesday when asked how much Peterson's presence factored into Favre's decision to return. "I've played with some really good running backs in my career. This guy is obviously special."

Favre said this three days after Peterson rushed for 180 yards and three touchdowns in the Vikings' 34-20 Week 1 victory over Cleveland. Included was a 64-yard touchdown run in which Peterson broke six tackles.

"That last touchdown run, if you really look at it, it was a really huge hole; those couple of moves he made there at the end were fun to watch," Favre said. "Just the little bit of time I've been with him I've seen him make some outstanding plays."

Favre, who exchanged messages this summer with Peterson, said he has been impressed by Peterson's work ethic, his passion for the game and his poise.

"I never see him get ruffled," Favre said. "[Running backs coach] Eric Bieniemy is constantly yelling at Adrian to do this, do that and he just takes it. Takes it all in. And that's hard to do. In order to be a special player, you have to have a lot of good qualities, and he has those."

So how good can Peterson be? "I mean no disrespect to any running back, whether I played with him or didn't," Favre said. "He's in the early stages of his career, and barring any injuries or anything, this guy can be as good as any running back that's ever played. ... It's just unbelievable what he can do."

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If you are so in love with BF and AD why don't you please join a Vikings board instead of cluttering our board with this "slurping".

[SkinBasket]

Should we start bumping posts where Partial is wrong?

Do we really want to flood the first page like that?

First page?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Fuck, we don't even have to bump old threads. Just look for his gushing over Ruvell...as a player that was "deciding" between offers. Like he was so in demand.

Or, just follow The Official Ruvell thread. Started in his honor.

Two words: MONEY MORENCY

[hoosier]

Fuck, we don't even have to bump old threads. Just look for his gushing over Ruvell...as a player that was "deciding" between offers. Like he was so in demand.

Or, just follow The Official Ruvell thread. Started in his honor.

Two words: MONEY MORENCY

My cousin recently played a season in Madden 2007 where Morency was the Packers featured back and gained over 1800 yards. You laugh, but Money Morency is just a gem still waiting to be discovered. A stallion waiting to be unleashed. A rocket waiting to be launched. A Vince Young waiting for his team.

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Fuck, we don't even have to bump old threads. Just look for his gushing over Ruvell...as a player that was "deciding" between offers. Like he was so in demand.

Or, just follow The Official Ruvell thread. Started in his honor.

Two words: MONEY MORENCY

1. Ruvell? Where is the gushing? Never once have I "gushed'. Said he's a good guy and should be on the team. Note that the offense was horrendous one game in, and promptly after his contract was no longer guaranteed (in the event of injury) Ruvell was signed to a lucrative contract.

So, say what you will.

Why do you keep bringing up Money Morency? Should we go back and find all of your errors? A few that come to mind without any research are: "Q in the best receiver on the Cardinals (clearly not)" "Kurt Warner, despite his 3 super bowl appearances, 2 mvps, etc won't be a HOFer", "Darren McFadden is more talented and will be a better player than Peterson", "McFadden was the better college player" blah blah blah. Nobody is perfect.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Fuck, we don't even have to bump old threads. Just look for his gushing over Ruvell...as a player that was "deciding" between offers. Like he was so in demand.

Or, just follow The Official Ruvell thread. Started in his honor.

Two words: MONEY MORENCY

1. Ruvell? Where is the gushing? Never once have I "gushed'. Said he's a good guy and should be on the team. Note that the offense was horrendous one game in, and promptly after his contract was no longer guaranteed (in the event of injury) Ruvell was signed to a lucrative contract.

So, say what you will.

Why do you keep bringing up Money Morency? Should we go back and find all of your errors? A few that come to mind without any research are: "Q in the best receiver on the Cardinals (clearly not)" "Kurt Warner, despite his 3 super bowl appearances, 2 mvps, etc won't be a HOFer", "Darren McFadden is more talented and will be a better player than Peterson", "McFadden was the better college player" blah blah blah. Nobody is perfect.

1. Many, until the playoffs felt Q was equal.
2. Warner. Umm, plenty that say he won't be HOF. This is your proof?
3. I never once said McFadden would be better. More creative lying. I said his #s were better. That is fact.

And, i'll pull the ruvell comments. You are gonna look like a jackass.

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Fuck, we don't even have to bump old threads. Just look for his gushing over Ruvell...as a player that was "deciding" between offers. Like he was so in demand.

Or, just follow The Official Ruvell thread. Started in his honor.

Two words: MONEY MORENCY

1. Ruvell? Where is the gushing? Never once have I "gushed'. Said he's a good guy and should be on the team. Note that the offense was horrendous one game in, and promptly after his contract was no longer guaranteed (in the event of injury) Ruvell was signed to a lucrative contract.

So, say what you will.

Why do you keep bringing up Money Morency? Should we go back and find all of your errors? A few that come to mind without any research are: "Q in the best receiver on the Cardinals (clearly not)" "Kurt Warner, despite his 3 super bowl appearances, 2 mvps, etc won't be a HOFer", "Darren McFadden is more talented and will be a better player than Peterson", "McFadden was the better college player" blah blah blah. Nobody is perfect.

1. Many, until the playoffs felt Q was equal.
2. Warner. Umm, plenty that say he won't be HOF. This is your proof?
3. I never once said McFadden would be better. More creative lying. I said his #s were better. That is fact.

And, i'll pull the ruvell comments. You are gonna look like a jackass.

1. Many? Where are the many sources to cite this?

2. Where are the many sources to site otherwise? You get to 3 SBs as a QB, win 2 mvps, you're in. Bottom line.

3. Right.

4. You can post whatever you want. What you interpret as gushing I interpret as thinking someone is a solid 5th receiver and a good team chemistry guy.

We're one game in, and perhaps that offensive chemistry was thrown off. The QB (who has publicly acknowledged being a little shook up over Ruvell) had a very shaky at best game. Based on the way he through the ball throughout (3.75 bad quarters), it's possible the toss at the end was more luck than anything.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Fuck, we don't even have to bump old threads. Just look for his gushing over Ruvell...as a player that was "deciding" between offers. Like he was so in demand.

Or, just follow The Official Ruvell thread. Started in his honor.

Two words: MONEY MORENCY

1. Ruvell? Where is the gushing? Never once have I "gushed'. Said he's a good guy and should be on the team. Note that the offense was horrendous one game in, and promptly after his contract was no longer guaranteed (in the event of injury) Ruvell was signed to a lucrative contract.

So, say what you will.

Why do you keep bringing up Money Morency? Should we go back and find all of your errors? A few that come to mind without any research are: "Q in the best receiver on the Cardinals (clearly not)" "Kurt Warner, despite his 3 super bowl appearances, 2 mvps, etc won't be a HOFer", "Darren McFadden is more talented and will be a better player than Peterson", "McFadden was the better college player" blah blah blah. Nobody is perfect.

1. Many, until the playoffs felt Q was equal.
2. Warner. Umm, plenty that say he won't be HOF. This is your proof?
3. I never once said McFadden would be better. More creative lying. I said his #s were better. That is fact.

And, i'll pull the ruvell comments. You are gonna look like a jackass.

1. Many? Where are the many sources to cite this?

2. Where are the many sources to site otherwise? You get to 3 SBs as a QB, win 2 mvps, you're in. Bottom line.

3. Right.

4. You can post whatever you want. What you interpret as gushing I interpret as thinking someone is a solid 5th receiver and a good team chemistry guy.

We're one game in, and perhaps that offensive chemistry was thrown off. The QB (who has publicly acknowledged being a little shook up over Ruvell) had a very shaky at best game. Based on the way he through the ball throughout (3.75 bad quarters), it's possible the toss at the end was more luck than anything.

1. Sources. Just like yours for Warner. LOL
2. That is your opinion. I and other's gave VOTERS who said if he didn't win, they wouldn't vote for him.
3. glad you agree. Please find something to back it up.
4. Dude, everybody sees it as gushing.

And,now you play the "we almost lost because of chemistry" card? Dude. You need to be quiet. You are really starting to embarrass yourself.

[SkinBasket]

1. Ruvell? Where is the gushing? Never once have I "gushed'. Said he's a good guy and should be on the team. Note that the offense was horrendous one game in

So now our offensive trouble is directly attributable to Ruvell Martin's absence on the sideline?




You might want to watch the game and take notes on the offensive line, Partial, not unicorn theories about what magical element is missing from our mystical team chemistry.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

"But he hasn't been winning so far. Having a family atmosphere and some loyalty to your players when they're still developing is key to establishing a good environment in my opinion.

This could be like Jon Ryan 2.0"

"You don't cut a guy that everyone on the team is torn up about. You have plenty of special teamers. Where is the loyalty?!?"

"For all the comments about Martin, I will make one counter point: Why do all-star teams fail? They're loaded with talent, and even with plenty of time together, they still don't have chemistry. If this move throws off chemistry of the team, especially the QB, this team could quickly go from contender (which I believe tehy are) to pretender. I don't like the move at all. Martin seemed like a close friend and stablizing rock to many people. Keep the rock."

"Ruvell can pick and choose where he wants to play. He's probably waiting for the right situation."

"I think Ruvell, being the best friend of GJ and the QB, is more important to chemistry than DD. Kind of weird to think about, but the fact Ruvell is always with A-Rod representing the team at every major event says a lot."

"I agree it's a business and needs to be treated as such, but sometimes it's not worth upgrading from an 8 (out of 10) to an 8.01 when chemistry goes from a 10 (out of 10) to an 8."

"Ty I don't think very many of those receivers are as good today as Martin. How many of those guys have floated all around? Martin has at least been a member of a veteran, talented receiving corps (one of the best in the NFL). Some of those guys couldn't hack it in some of the worst."

"50ish catches and 6 tds? How many of those guys beat those numbers last year. I'm dying to know. No excuses. I'm actually legitmiately interested because I'm too lazy to look it up.

How many can be a dominant run blocker like him?"


"UPDATE: Nevermind the wikipedia stats are wrong. They;'re listed for 2008 but they're for a career."

"Who cares what they did over a career? Most have played significantly longer. You're a hooligan."

Yes...gushing isn't calling someone a "dominant run block" or saying they are more important than DD, or that chemistry will go down 1/5 of it's possible total by losing one guy, or that ruvell is so good that he can pick and choose the team he wants.

yes, i'm sure that Ruvell waited all this team to go to the Rams. Yes, that certainly was worth the wait.

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"But he hasn't been winning so far. Having a family atmosphere and some loyalty to your players when they're still developing is key to establishing a good environment in my opinion.

WHERE IS THE GUSHING?

This could be like Jon Ryan 2.0"

WHERE IS THE GUSHING?


"You don't cut a guy that everyone on the team is torn up about. You have plenty of special teamers. Where is the loyalty?!?"


WHERE IS THE GUSHING? I DON'T THINK YOU CUT A PLAYER THAT FITS ABOVE CRITERIA.


"For all the comments about Martin, I will make one counter point: Why do all-star teams fail? They're loaded with talent, and even with plenty of time together, they still don't have chemistry. If this move throws off chemistry of the team, especially the QB, this team could quickly go from contender (which I believe tehy are) to pretender. I don't like the move at all. Martin seemed like a close friend and stablizing rock to many people. Keep the rock."



WHERE IS THE GUSHING? ONE GAME IN, ONE BAD GAME. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S HOW IT WILL BE FROM HERE ON OUT, BUT YOU CAN'T WRITE OFF HAVING A HORRIBLE GAME IN THE BIGGEST GAME OF YOUR CAREER BECAUSE YOUR BEST FRIEND IS IN THE STANDS INSTEAD OF ON THE SIDELINES LIKE HE WAS FOR ALL YOUR OTHER GAMES.

"Ruvell can pick and choose where he wants to play. He's probably waiting for the right situation."

WHERE IS THE GUSHING? I HAVE NO IDEA UNDER WHAT TERMS OR OPTIONS HE SIGNED HIS AGREEMENT WITH ST LOUIS. FOR ALL WE KNOW THERE WERE OTHER OFFERS...

"I think Ruvell, being the best friend of GJ and the QB, is more important to chemistry than DD. Kind of weird to think about, but the fact Ruvell is always with A-Rod representing the team at every major event says a lot."

WHERE IS THE GUSHING? DOES IT NOT SAY A LOT? WHY ELSE WAS HE DOING PR?

"I agree it's a business and needs to be treated as such, but sometimes it's not worth upgrading from an 8 (out of 10) to an 8.01 when chemistry goes from a 10 (out of 10) to an 8."

WHERE IS THE GUSHING? THIS EXAMPLE HAS BEEN RIPPED ON BY THE FORUM BIG TIME BECAUSE YOU GUYS TAKE THINGS FAR TOO LITERALLY INSTEAD OF GETTING THE ANALOGY AND THE MESSAGE. TYPICAL IDIOTIC BS.

"Ty I don't think very many of those receivers are as good today as Martin. How many of those guys have floated all around? Martin has at least been a member of a veteran, talented receiving corps (one of the best in the NFL). Some of those guys couldn't hack it in some of the worst."

WHERE IS THE GUSHING? THAT LIST YOU POSTED WAS OUTRAGEOUS?

"50ish catches and 6 tds? How many of those guys beat those numbers last year. I'm dying to know. No excuses. I'm actually legitmiately interested because I'm too lazy to look it up.

WHERE IS THE GUSHING? I FOUND FAULTY DATA AND STATED THAT IMMEDIATELY UPON FINDING OUT

How many can be a dominant run blocker like him?"

HE WAS THE BEST RUN BLOCKER ON THE DEEPEST RECEIVING CORPS IN THE NFL. IPSO FACTO... DOMINANT RUN BLOCKER.


"UPDATE: Nevermind the wikipedia stats are wrong. They;'re listed for 2008 but they're for a career."

YEP

"Who cares what they did over a career? Most have played significantly longer. You're a hooligan."

RIGHT, WHO CARES. WHY DO I CARE WHAT HARRISON DID WHEN HE WAS 25 AND ELITE WHEN HE IS OLD AS HELL, ON ONE LEG, SMELLS LIKE CABBAGE AND IS IN TROUBLE WITH THE COPS AND SUCKS BALLS AT FOOTBALL. INDY, WHO IS IN DIRE NEED OF RECEIVERS, ISN'T INTERESTED. YOUR LIST WAS A JOKE.

Yes...gushing isn't calling someone a "dominant run block" or saying they are more important than DD, or that chemistry will go down 1/5 of it's possible total by losing one guy, or that ruvell is so good that he can pick and choose the team he wants.

yes, i'm sure that Ruvell waited all this team to go to the Rams. Yes, that certainly was worth the wait.

JUST BECAUSE YOU INTERPRET SOMETHING AS SUCH DOES NOT MAKE IT SO. YOU NEED TO START CITING YOUR SOURCES OR STATING THINGS AS YOUR OPINION INSTEAD OF CITING SOMETHING AS A FACT.

THE COACHES LOVED RUVELLS RUN BLOCKING. SAID HE WAS BEST ON THE TEAM MANY TIMES. WHAT SAY YOU?

DO YOU KNOW FOR A 100% CERTAIN FACT HE DIDN'T HAVE OTHER OPTIONS, IF NOT PLEASE STFU.