Grant and Peterson Compared

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Dude, when you dont' even realize that you are gushing...then you need to take a step back.

I'm just going to quit, because when you make statements that he was the best blocker of the WRs...ipso facto..he is dominant...then it just shows how ridiculous you are.

That piece of logic has so many holes in it...i can't even decide which one to drive the truck thru.

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Dude, when you dont' even realize that you are gushing...then you need to take a step back.

I'm just going to quit, because when you make statements that he was the best blocker of the WRs...ipso facto..he is dominant...then it just shows how ridiculous you are.

That piece of logic has so many holes in it...i can't even decide which one to drive the truck thru.

Ruvell and Jordy were in all the time to run block last year. Woudl you put your 5th receiver on if he wasn't a dominant run blocker?

The coaches constantly said how great he was at run blocking.

He's not an offensive linemen, but on an offense this talented clearly he is very skilled at his craft or he wouldn't have been in as much as he was.

There isn't any gushing Ty.

[Lurker64]

This board needs an ignore function.

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This board needs an ignore function.

I agree whole-heartedly.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Dude, when you dont' even realize that you are gushing...then you need to take a step back.

I'm just going to quit, because when you make statements that he was the best blocker of the WRs...ipso facto..he is dominant...then it just shows how ridiculous you are.

That piece of logic has so many holes in it...i can't even decide which one to drive the truck thru.

Ruvell and Jordy were in all the time to run block last year. Woudl you put your 5th receiver on if he wasn't a dominant run blocker?

The coaches constantly said how great he was at run blocking.

He's not an offensive linemen, but on an offense this talented clearly he is very skilled at his craft or he wouldn't have been in as much as he was.

There isn't any gushing Ty.

Your logic is poor.

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This board needs an ignore function.

I agree whole-heartedly.

[MJZiggy]

Dude, when you dont' even realize that you are gushing...then you need to take a step back.

I'm just going to quit, because when you make statements that he was the best blocker of the WRs...ipso facto..he is dominant...then it just shows how ridiculous you are.

That piece of logic has so many holes in it...i can't even decide which one to drive the truck thru.

Ruvell and Jordy were in all the time to run block last year. Woudl you put your 5th receiver on if he wasn't a dominant run blocker?

The coaches constantly said how great he was at run blocking.

He's not an offensive linemen, but on an offense this talented clearly he is very skilled at his craft or he wouldn't have been in as much as he was.

There isn't any gushing Ty.

If that's the case, why didn't they keep him. You don't give up a dominant guy unless--oh wait. THEY HAVE SOMEONE THEY THINK IS BETTER AND IT'S THEIR JOB TO KEEP THE BEST!!!!!

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Dude, when you dont' even realize that you are gushing...then you need to take a step back.

I'm just going to quit, because when you make statements that he was the best blocker of the WRs...ipso facto..he is dominant...then it just shows how ridiculous you are.

That piece of logic has so many holes in it...i can't even decide which one to drive the truck thru.

Ruvell and Jordy were in all the time to run block last year. Woudl you put your 5th receiver on if he wasn't a dominant run blocker?

The coaches constantly said how great he was at run blocking.

He's not an offensive linemen, but on an offense this talented clearly he is very skilled at his craft or he wouldn't have been in as much as he was.

There isn't any gushing Ty.

If that's the case, why didn't they keep him. You don't give up a dominant guy unless--oh wait. THEY HAVE SOMEONE THEY THINK IS BETTER AND IT'S THEIR JOB TO KEEP THE BEST!!!!!

I agree, they clearly thought Swain was the better player (definitely long term, not so sure I agree they think he is now).

That doesn't contradict with anything I said, though, so I don't think you have a point (unless I missed it).

[Gunakor]

You get to 3 SBs as a QB, win 2 mvps, you're in. Bottom line.

That's not exactly true P. Warner had many years in between where he was average at best. Took over a year just to beat out rookie Matt Leinhart for the full time starting job in AZ. For a while, he was a journeyman QB looking for his next job. He's had some spectacular seasons, but he's had many others where he looked very little like a HOF candidate. It's those seasons that could inevitably keep him out of the Hall. I personally don't think he gets elected.

[ThunderDan]

Kurt Warner will not get into the HOF. You can quote me on it.

He disappeared at the beginning of his career. He disappeared in the middle. And if the first game of 2009 is an indicator he might be disappearing at the end (too small a sample to be sure).

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You get to 3 SBs as a QB, win 2 mvps, you're in. Bottom line.

That's not exactly true P. Warner had many years in between where he was average at best. Took over a year just to beat out rookie Matt Leinhart for the full time starting job in AZ. For a while, he was a journeyman QB looking for his next job. He's had some spectacular seasons, but he's had many others where he looked very little like a HOF candidate. It's those seasons that could inevitably keep him out of the Hall. I personally don't think he gets elected.

How many people have done the above and not gone to the HOF?

He's a virtual lock imo.

[Gunakor]

You get to 3 SBs as a QB, win 2 mvps, you're in. Bottom line.

That's not exactly true P. Warner had many years in between where he was average at best. Took over a year just to beat out rookie Matt Leinhart for the full time starting job in AZ. For a while, he was a journeyman QB looking for his next job. He's had some spectacular seasons, but he's had many others where he looked very little like a HOF candidate. It's those seasons that could inevitably keep him out of the Hall. I personally don't think he gets elected.

How many people have done the above and not gone to the HOF?

He's a virtual lock imo.

How many people in the HOF have had as many mediocre seasons as Warner has had? How many in the HOF have spent time as a backup in between SB appearances? The HOF is reserved for players who have great careers, not those who have had a few great seasons. The Hall ain't that big. Take into account Warner's ENTIRE career rather than just the 2 years he won MVP and I think you'll see where I'm coming from.

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You get to 3 SBs as a QB, win 2 mvps, you're in. Bottom line.

That's not exactly true P. Warner had many years in between where he was average at best. Took over a year just to beat out rookie Matt Leinhart for the full time starting job in AZ. For a while, he was a journeyman QB looking for his next job. He's had some spectacular seasons, but he's had many others where he looked very little like a HOF candidate. It's those seasons that could inevitably keep him out of the Hall. I personally don't think he gets elected.

How many people have done the above and not gone to the HOF?

He's a virtual lock imo.

How many people in the HOF have had as many mediocre seasons as Warner has had? How many in the HOF have spent time as a backup in between SB appearances? The HOF is reserved for players who have great careers, not those who have had a few great seasons. The Hall ain't that big. Take into account Warner's ENTIRE career rather than just the 2 years he won MVP and I think you'll see where I'm coming from.

I see where you're coming from 100%. Doesn't change the fact I think he's a 100% lock.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You get to 3 SBs as a QB, win 2 mvps, you're in. Bottom line.

That's not exactly true P. Warner had many years in between where he was average at best. Took over a year just to beat out rookie Matt Leinhart for the full time starting job in AZ. For a while, he was a journeyman QB looking for his next job. He's had some spectacular seasons, but he's had many others where he looked very little like a HOF candidate. It's those seasons that could inevitably keep him out of the Hall. I personally don't think he gets elected.

How many people have done the above and not gone to the HOF?

He's a virtual lock imo.

Well, i can think of a player who was a two time afc player of the year, superbowl winner, member of the all decade team, 4 time pro bowler, 1 x all pro and he ain't in.

i can think of 2x time winner of the SB (1 as starter) , 2x pro bowl, 1 x SB MVP, Pro Bowl MVP, and holder until recently of the best pass completion record in the playoffs and he ain't in.

I can recall another QB who won 2 SB as a starter, SB MVP, Comeback player of the year, rookie of the year and he ain't in.

I can think of a QB who lead the league in passing 4 x, whose career passing #s are second among multi era players, who holds the single season completion percentage record, and who racked up these records playing twice a year against arguably the greatest defense ever.

But, let's ask the people who make the decision, the writers themselves:

“He’s not even in the conversation,” Vito Stellino, a football writer and a Hall of Fame voter, was quoted as saying last week if the Cardinals didn’t win.

Writing before the game, Gary Myers of The Daily News said the second Super Bowl victory was “crucial”. (Warner has one victory and two losses in Super Bowls.)

I believe Phil Simms would be in the Hall of Fame if he didn’t get injured late in the 1990 season and was the quarterback instead of Jeff Hostetler when the Giants beat the Bills.

Myers later quoted ESPN’s John Clayton as saying: “He needs to win this game. I don’t think there is any question,” although Clayton said Warner could also get in with a few more elite seasons.

[ThunderDan]

Lets look at the Rams QBs during the greatest show on turf.

1999 Kurt Warner 16 G 4,353 y 41 td 13 int 109.2 rating
2000 Trent Green 8 G 2,063 y 16 td 5 int 101.8 rating
2000 Kurt Warner 11 G 3,429 y 21 td 18 int 98.3
2001 Kurt Warner 16 G 4,830 y 36 22 101.4
2002 Kurt Warner 7 G 1,431 y 3 11 67.4
2002 Marc Bulger 7 G 1,826 y 14 6 101.5
2003 Marc Bulger 15 G 3,845 y 22 22 81.4
2003 Kurt Warner 2 G 365 y 1 1 72.9
2004 Marc Bulger 14 G 3,964 21 14 93.7
2005 Marc Bulger 8 G 2,297 14 9 94.4
2006 Marc Bulger 16 G 4,301 24 8 92.9

Only Kurt's 1999 season really stands out verses the other QBs they plugged in to that offense.

System or Player???

What happened after the Rams?

2004 Kurt Warner 10 G 2,054 6 4 86.5
2005 Kurt Warner 10 G 2,713 11 9 85.8
2006 Kurt Warner 6 G 1,377 6 5 89.3
2007 Kurt Warner 14 G 3,417 27 17 89.8
2008 Kurt Warner 16 G 4,583 30 14 96.9

Until 2007 and 2008 he had to fight to stay off the bench.

He played great in 1999, 2001 and 2008. Three years a HOF career does not make.