With the 30th pick in the NFL draft the Packers select...

[SudsMcBucky]

[quote="The Leaper"]

If Ike was truly that fast, he'd have had a much better year than he had. He's certainly talented...and has a chance to be a player at the next level. However, there is a lot of tape of him playing at a sub-first-round level at this point.

I'm guessing if he runs a 4.45, he'll be happy. He's a big, physical corner...so anything under 4.5 will be a solid showing at the combine and give him at least a chance to get into the first round.

However, top ten pick? Not happening.

Actually, Ike manned up VERY well against the big-time receivers like Hardy, Manningham, etc. His problem seems to be more a lack drive. BB mentioned that he only wished JI had the same drive for watching film, etc., that Langford did. If JI keeps his focus and works in the film room, he could very well be the best DB in the draft.

[The Leaper]

Tebow doesn't have the capacity to be a great QB on the next level. He can't read defenses very well or make all the throws necessary. He's a system QB at the college level...so what does that say about his chances at the next level, where the system he excels at is extinct?

[Partial]

Tebow doesn't have the capacity to be a great QB on the next level. He can't read defenses very well or make all the throws necessary. He's a system QB at the college level...so what does that say about his chances at the next level, where the system he excels at is extinct?

Agreed 100%. Nutz through a fit and started slamming me when I said that to him at the PR game.

[The Leaper]

Actually, Ike manned up VERY well against the big-time receivers like Hardy, Manningham, etc. His problem seems to be more a lack drive. BB mentioned that he only wished JI had the same drive for watching film, etc., that Langford did. If JI keeps his focus and works in the film room, he could very well be the best DB in the draft.

I'm not saying he isn't a good prospect. I'm saying he doesn't have world class speed. Hardy and Manningham aren't 4.2 burners...few Big Ten WRs are.

Ike will do just fine running a 4.45 forty as I've said. That gives him a chance to be nabbed late in the first round, but he is more likely a guy who will go in the top half of the second.

If he can run consistent 4.4 flat times at the combine, then he's probably a very good bet for the first round...between the 10th and 25th pick.

Bottom line...no matter what he runs, he has some major questions in terms of his work ethic. That alone will prevent him from being a top ten pick on most draft boards. Teams don't want to tie up $20M in a guy who they aren't sure will always give 100%...unless he is a ridiculous physical specimen, like a Vernon Davis.

Ike's not a ridiculous specimen. I'm not knocking the guy...there are only 10 guys who will be top ten picks. Ike's just not going to be one of them.

[Deputy Nutz]

You mentioned accuracy, you think 67% completion rate is shitty?
32 touchdowns to only 6 inteceptions is shitty?
3286 yards passing, not good?
23 rushing touchdowns, fullback written all over him.

4 total touchdowns in the bowl loss to Michigan? crappy don't you think? Lets see how good the Gators are next year when they get a running game besides Tebow.

It is not hard to dink and dunk your way to 67%. How many times have you seen Tebow play?!?!?!?!?!?!?1 I have at least 10 times and I have to say I am not very impressed with his ability to be an NFL QB. He'll make a great fullback, though.

Funny in the bar you told me you only seen him play twice. 9.9 yard per attempt. not dinking and dunking when you have 3286 passing yards. Bottom line you said he wasn't accurate, and his stats proved you wrong. If you don't think he will be a valid pro prospect, fine your opinion, but make sure you back it up with concrete information instead of pointing out the five most obvious comments about quarterback play in general.

Again, I was not overally impressed with him against Michigan, but at the same time the Florida offense is pretty young, and it lacked a running game to keep the Michigan defense honest.

To answer your question I saw him play four times, LSU, South Carolina, Florida St, and against Michigan. two good games, and two not so good games.

[Partial]

9.9 yards per attempt when you throw the ball behind the line of scrimmage to Harvin and let him get YAC.

Stats don't tell the whole tale. No way is he a #1 pick. He doesn't have any of the intangibles other than being an OK college QB on a supremely talented team.

[Deputy Nutz]

Tebow doesn't have the capacity to be a great QB on the next level. He can't read defenses very well or make all the throws necessary. He's a system QB at the college level...so what does that say about his chances at the next level, where the system he excels at is extinct?

Not to really start an argument here, but all the big time programs are going to the spread. Different ideas with the spread, but it is now a common thing in the College football ranks.

Right now I am not judging Tebow's capacity or his mental or emotional make up since has only a sophomore, and had only started for one year.

[Partial]

Its kind of funny because it seems that Tebow has a knack for losing the big games:

He lost a home game against Auburn against a bitter rival that was half as talented. I've seen John Stocco look 2-3x as impressive in a TON of games.
He lost a bowl game to a Michigan team with half the Talent if that
He lost a road game at LSU that his team held a lead in yet he couldn't slam the door
He lost a South Carolina game on national television.

Kinda funny

[BallHawk]

Partial, you could throw that crap out there for any QB in the NFL.

[Partial]

Partial, you could throw that crap out there for any QB in the NFL.

J-Stoccs was a winner

[BallHawk]

Partial, you could throw that crap out there for any QB in the NFL.

J-Stoccs was a winner

Stocco was a smart QB who knew how to manage a game. He wasn't super-athletic and he didn't have a cannon arm, but he was tough and smart.

I can guarantee, however, that Tebow will do better in the NFL than Stocco. Of course, John didn't set the bar too high.

[Partial]

I don't know about that. Tebow is faster but has equal arm strength with less accuracy on mid and deep throws. That is comparing Stoccos senior year to Tebows sophomore, though.

[Deputy Nutz]

Its kind of funny because it seems that Tebow has a knack for losing the big games:

He lost a home game against Auburn against a bitter rival that was half as talented. I've seen John Stocco look 2-3x as impressive in a TON of games.
He lost a bowl game to a Michigan team with half the Talent if that
He lost a road game at LSU that his team held a lead in yet he couldn't slam the door
He lost a South Carolina game on national television.

Kinda funny

Florida Beat South Carolina 51 to 31 and he had 7 touchdowns.
John Stocco started for 3 years, Tebow has started for one.

Michigan has just about as much talent as any team in the country, they rank in the top 10 every year in the recruiting battles.

He lost to a very good and under rated Georgia team, who should be ranked in the top three when the 2008 season starts, a loss to the eventual national champion, and the Gators one bad loss of the season was against Auburn at home where Tebow completed 20 out 27 passes.

Tebow's phyisical skills are more impressive than any former heisman trophy winner you cared to name. How many were 6-3 235 pounds and lifted weights with the offensive linemen? His arm strength is unquestioned unlike a lot of those on your lovely list.

[Partial]

Tebows arm strength is suspect at best. You have seen him play four games on TV. I've seen his wobbly passes float in person. Seriously, I bet if you break it down the vast majority of his passes are screens or 3-4 yarders.

I remember another big strong quarterback in the SEC. He went on to play receiver for the Jags. Tebow will end up some teams fullback.

[Deputy Nutz]

Tebows arm strength is suspect at best. You have seen him play four games on TV. I've seen his wobbly passes float in person. Seriously, I bet if you break it down the vast majority of his passes are screens or 3-4 yarders.

I remember another big strong quarterback in the SEC. He went on to play receiver for the Jags. Tebow will end up some teams fullback.

I guess because you saw him play in person you have the best perspective, you win.