Favre

[Deputy Nutz]

Al Harris did not have a bad game. Not by any stretch. Burris had an awesome game, the best game I have seen a WR have this season in fact. Harris had coverage 99% of the time but Burris would make the catch, usually some kind of outstanding catch at that. Burris didn't have a TD and although he racked up some yards, it wasn't the dagger people are making it out to be.

You say some funny thing here on this forum but this might be the funniest. Al Harris was torched over and over again, he was spun around, turned around, and then just beaten like a work mule in the first half, things did actually get better in the second half because they switched coverage, which left holes other places.

Harris got beat on good throws and by a big physical receiver that simply beat Harris at his one game. Harris can't beat guys like Owens, and Burress, big body receivers give him fits because he can't beat them on the line, and he doesn't have the greatest of wheels so after five yards Harris can't catch up.

Harris had a bad game, is he washed up? No but I wouldn't count on him or Woodson past 2008.

[Joemailman]

Harris has acknowledged he lost the battle with Burriss. He knows he had a bad game.

[cheesner]

Re: Favre

Is it just me or did anyone else watchign the game, start to worry when they showed Favre in the tunnel, before introductions.

He looked COLD and not very excited to be playing in an NFC Championship game. I expected the Pack to win, up until I saw the look on Favre's face......

This was my comment as soon as I saw this. I told my girlfriend that the Packers were going to have a very bad day.

Although it was a miserable day, the Giants were playing in the same weather. Although there were several Packers who played poorly, Brett is a leader of the team and should be doing everything he can to rally the troops. Standing there with a sour puss, isn't firing anyone up or instilling any confidence.

Making Favre look worse, Eli Manning had a fantastic day. He made great passes all day.

Favre had a great year, and I hope he comes back. I just know that he is a poor extreme cold weather QB. Hopefully, if we make the playoffs next year, we have some warm weather, or Brett steps aside when the temp drops below 20.

[denverYooper]

Re: Favre

Is it just me or did anyone else watchign the game, start to worry when they showed Favre in the tunnel, before introductions.

He looked COLD and not very excited to be playing in an NFC Championship game. I expected the Pack to win, up until I saw the look on Favre's face......

This was my comment as soon as I saw this. I told my girlfriend that the Packers were going to have a very bad day.

Although it was a miserable day, the Giants were playing in the same weather. Although there were several Packers who played poorly, Brett is a leader of the team and should be doing everything he can to rally the troops. Standing there with a sour puss, isn't firing anyone up or instilling any confidence.

Making Favre look worse, Eli Manning had a fantastic day. He made great passes all day.

Favre had a great year, and I hope he comes back. I just know that he is a poor extreme cold weather QB. Hopefully, if we make the playoffs next year, we have some warm weather, or Brett steps aside when the temp drops below 20.

Bill Simmons was a bit hard on Favre, but had an interesting take:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/080122

On paper, it seems absolutely incredible that Eli totally outplayed Favre in Lambeau in the third coldest playoff game ever. I never would have predicted this in a million years, especially given Eli's past performance in cold weather. Then I thought about it afterward and realized something: Favre is 38, Eli is 27 and the weather was minus-4. Who's more likely to be affected by bone-chilling temperatures -- a young QB with little wear and tear on his body, or an old QB who has started 270 consecutive games, battled an addiction to painkillers and probably takes 15 minutes to get out of bed every morning? Wouldn't it be the old guy?

Think of it this way: A family gets together for the holidays in Buffalo. There are three brothers in the family (ages 27, 35 and 38), two sisters, a mom, a dad and a grandfather. One morning, Buffalo gets crushed by a blizzard and somebody has to shovel the driveway in minus-4 degree weather for two hours. Which family member gets bundled up and goes out there? The youngest brother. Why? BECAUSE HE'S 27!!!!!!!!! He's the youngest, healthiest one! Is there any chance the 38-year-old guy goes out there? No! Why? BECAUSE HE'S 38!!!! Why didn't I think of this before the game? I hate myself.

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[packinpatland]

I love the media types who are screaming..."This is what I said back in week whatever...."...............Favre sure kept them quiet all season didn't he?

[The Leaper]

Harris has acknowledged he lost the battle with Burriss. He knows he had a bad game.

God, I sure hope so. If he thinks he did fine, then he's certifiably insane.

[fan4life]

Early in the year, the analysts said that GB would have to develop a running game to be a real contender. Ryan Grant emerged and seemed to take some pressure off our 38-yr old QB to carry the load.

It turned out that our run game worked when - and because - teams respected our pass-first offense. When we ran into defenses with strong front 7s (linemen and LBs) that could dominate our O-line without safety help, our run game was stopped... and it fell back on our QB to wing home a win. He couldn't do it in 40 mph winds, and had a tough time in sub-zero weather, throwing to young WRs too cold and stiff to adjust their routes, out-jump and out-muscle the double coverage.

Surely age had something to do with it. But age wasn't Hasselbeck's problem. The fact is, teams that are, or can be rendered one dimensional, because they can't run - because they can't control the LOS - will always be vulnerable in less than ideal weather conditions.

The media experts were right all along.

[swede]

Early in the year, the analysts said that GB would have to develop a running game to be a real contender. Ryan Grant emerged and seemed to take some pressure off our 38-yr old QB to carry the load.

It turned out that our run game worked when - and because - teams respected our pass-first offense. When we ran into defenses with strong front 7s (linemen and LBs) that could dominate our O-line without safety help, our run game was stopped... and it fell back on our QB to wing home a win. He couldn't do it in 40 mph winds, and had a tough time in sub-zero weather, throwing to young WRs too cold and stiff to adjust their routes, out-jump and out-muscle the double coverage.

Surely age had something to do with it. But age wasn't Hasselbeck's problem. The fact is, teams that are, or can be rendered one dimensional, because they can't run - because they can't control the LOS - will always be vulnerable in less than ideal weather conditions.

The media experts were right all along.

I think this may be the most succinct expression of my thoughts about Favre, our season, and the two bitter losses to the Bears and the Giants.

And I am becoming a believer in McCarthy's ability to make this team even better by dealing with the running game and adjusting game plans to teams that shift against our running game.



p.s. I still think we would have beat Dallas in Dallas.

[woodbuck27]

We've always known Brett's strengths an weaknesses.

He made a coupla mistakes last night, but on the whole, he did what M3 asked him to do, IMHO.

Therein lies the problem! I think M3 fucked up the gameplan. Don't get me wrong, I love M3. Sometimes my kids fuck up right before my eyes, too. Doesn't mean I wanna trade my kids!

I think M3 has a lot of power in influencing this group of players and this last night, he didn't influence them to be their best.

Yup. He's new at the game as a HC and positioned Sunday in a very criticle game. A lot at stake so early as a HC. All eyes on him ie PRESSURE

[woodbuck27]

Walking out of the stadium after the loss I witnessed some moron screaming how worthless Favre was and how he should retire; my gut told me to let him have it but my better judgment told me it would not be worth my breath.

MM is a good coach who coached a terrible game Sunday. He had a great season. Holmgren was outcoached at times; it happens to everyone.

It just sucks that this had to end our season.

That's cool B.

That DAM weak inside toss on a lousy play call looked way too weak.

Immediately after that pick Brett Favre went to the play book and wanted to check something. I would be surprized if that move was to shread blame fr. him or a media ploy. He seems too honest to me. He has a traight I admire most. INTEGRITY.

Now I might be wrong.

We were 2nd and about 7 yards; so why that particular low percentage to make - high percentage for a pick toss fly straight to the man covering Driver? Favre threw the ball way too far inside DD's route.

Favre didn't see the defender?

Did Favre just make a lousy inside the route throw?

Did DD run the exact correct route as the play called for (inside hash marks to outside) or was he required to hold up in front of the CB or possibly come back to the ball (QB)?

Favre had ample pass coverage and there was no rush for points as the plan should have been to just get a first down and build momentum to set up the FG and a win later on in the series.

NOT just toss it away on a lousy play.

What happened?

[Bretsky]

It was a bad throw Woody; no question about it. Driver ran the correct Route.

Favre didn't choke; he just made a poor throw. He admitted that as well. You have to throw that ball to the outside where only Driver can catch it

[Fosco33]

Another depressing view from behind the line of scrimmage on the play in question....

Throw the left sideline, maybe Jennings gets a touchdown.
Catch Donald Lee crossing the middle… good shot at a first down.
Check down to Ryan Grant five yards past the line of scrimmage, who knows how far he goes.
The yellow circle is the football in flight

[The Leaper]

Where is the 11th NYG defender (and 11th Packer) outside that picture Fosco? I'm guessing to the left somewhere.

[packers11]

Where is the 11th NYG defender (and 11th Packer) outside that picture Fosco? I'm guessing to the left somewhere.

I hope to god that he can't just be seen in the picture... If they had 10 out there, its going to make this play even worse...

[Partial]

The Big Lamborghini isn't in the photo. My guess is he and Osi are battling to the left of the camera.