No. 4 Should Have Been At Mini-Camp, If He's Still A Leader

[mraynrand]

With all do respect, the NFL is far more complicated (for better or worse) than it used to be. Yes he got an extra camp because new coaches usually install a new offense and defense and the players need to learn it. So the NFL allows an extra camp to help the players.

Don't sweat it. I don't deserve any respect. However, I recall McCarthy saying the offense was not that complicated.

[BlueBrewer]

So is it necassary for Favre to show up for training camp? He has played this silly game for 15 years you know. He should just stay in ol' Miss until the Saturday before the first game in September. He has thrown every pass there is to throw, and handed the ball off thousands of times. I mean really, what can the guy gain by practicing?

He's earned the right to not work as hard as the other lowlifes on the team. It's good to be the King.

I am in full agreement that every Favre situation including this one is far overblown. Are there things that Favre needs to learn for the new offense. YES!! Can he study the playbook in Kiln MS YES!! Does Aaron Rodgers need time with the first offense YES!! So should everybody chill out and tell the media to fing another story to overblow... YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Patler]

pack4ever wrote: "Again, the last quote I read from McCarthy was he asked Brett Favre to skip this mini camp so he could concentrate on Aaron Rodgers. Until I see proof that isn't true I will consider this another non-story conjure"


The only problem is that the recent statement by MM was after one in which he made it sound clearly and completely to have been Favre's decision. That made me feel that the recent one was the "company line" to make it all sound good.

Just my impression.

[son of a vic]

So what positives were attained by him not being there? Does it outweigh the perception that's been created by him staying home?

I think not being there shows his lack of total commitment to the game he claims to still love.

And no, I won't shut the hell up!

[packerpete]

The money professional football players get paid makes it mandatory for them to be at the beck and call of the team 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 364 days a year.

Absolutely any time the league says the teams can have the players together is time EVERY player should be there.

This lazy, privledged, arrogant attitude displayed by some of the players simply infuriates me.

If I was the coach or GM, and the players should be very, very thankful Im not, I would be abusing those lazy do-nothing slackers every opportunity I got.

The players do NOT have to love management, but they MUST perform for them. The Socialist NFLPA has already gotten way more latitude from NFL management than players deserve, there is NO WAY team activity passes should be doled out as feel-good chits to favored players.

[Patler]

It seems to me very clear that Favre is being given special treatment, probably dictated by him.

!. MM has emphasized the need for "team bonding" in the off season workouts in Green Bay. He has the team lift together, not wonder in whenever they feel like it. Players have been very positive about the comraderie that is building. Favre does not attend those AND is told he can skip the 3 or 4 day minicamp? Doesn't make sense. The only conclusion is that Favre told MM when he would be there.

2. Favre could be there and Rodgers could still take most of the snaps. Favre's outward demonstration of commitment would impress the younger players just by being there. His exposure to the new coaches and new players sure couldn't hurt.

3. Why were no other players told to stay home, like maybe Henderson?

4. There is a new offense, sort of, but apparently a lot of new terminolgy. More experience with it would help. That would come from just "talking it", even if Rodgers was taking most of the snaps.

5. Favre will be taking snaps from a new center this year. As I recall, they had a few bad snaps last year when Wells substituted for Flanagan.

It is very clear that the team is treated one way and Favre another. The "reasons" that are given for his absence really make no sense if you look into them. On the other hand, there is no good reason for him to NOT be there, unless the staff is just humoring Favre until he decides to retire.

[Deputy Nutz]

Who really gives a shit? Stop falling into the media hype.

[Rastak]

It seems to me very clear that Favre is being given special treatment, probably dictated by him.

!. MM has emphasized the need for "team bonding" in the off season workouts in Green Bay. He has the team lift together, not wonder in whenever they feel like it. Players have been very positive about the comraderie that is building. Favre does not attend those AND is told he can skip the 3 or 4 day minicamp? Doesn't make sense. The only conclusion is that Favre told MM when he would be there.

2. Favre could be there and Rodgers could still take most of the snaps. Favre's outward demonstration of commitment would impress the younger players just by being there. His exposure to the new coaches and new players sure couldn't hurt.

3. Why were no other players told to stay home, like maybe Henderson?

4. There is a new offense, sort of, but apparently a lot of new terminolgy. More experience with it would help. That would come from just "talking it", even if Rodgers was taking most of the snaps.

5. Favre will be taking snaps from a new center this year. As I recall, they had a few bad snaps last year when Wells substituted for Flanagan.

It is very clear that the team is treated one way and Favre another. The "reasons" that are given for his absence really make no sense if you look into them. On the other hand, there is no good reason for him to NOT be there, unless the staff is just humoring Favre until he decides to retire.

You seem to have summed it up Shamler.....not a huge deal but a curiosity non-the-less.

[son of a vic]

Until someone has the stones to challenge King Brett, he will keep stringing us along during the off-season, and underachieving during the regulaR season.

[Patler]

I agree, Rastak, its not a huge deal one way or the other. But the only explanation that makes any sense to me, with all that MM has said, is that Favre told him he was not coming, not the other way around.

[b bulldog]

I posted this same opinion about two weeks ago and I agree with SOV 100%.

[son of a vic]

If Brett told MM he wasn't coming, that is a HUGE deal. That means he's uncoachable and will no doubt throw caution to the wind in the name of gunslingership.

[son of a vic]

This topic was not based on any thing the anti-Brett media has conjured up.
It is my take on the entire Favre saga, and it's impact on the Packers.

Favre has gotten a lot more love from the media, than negativity.

[Patler]

If Brett told MM he wasn't coming, that is a HUGE deal. That means he's uncoachable and will no doubt throw caution to the wind in the name of gunslingership.

Well...he has already told everyone he won't change, so there is nothing surprising in that.

It's not a big deal when players decide to skip VOLUNTARY camps. Its better if they don't. Personally, I would expect the real leaders to make every effort to be there one way or another. But, its the player's decision.

[FritzDontBlitz]

gloom-and-doom whiny ass threads like this one and the ones by polar bear are starting to make this board as lame as jso.

vic, is this supposed to be an objective discussion? or, are we just supposed to agree to your point of view without question?

in the future, i for one will just be reading and responding to the informative ones by motife and others who actually share information, rather than wasting my time viewing pointless rants like this one.

peace....