Fred Davis of USC?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Senior bowl thread, they said he looked awfully short next to other players

Sigh. Try to follow along. Of course he is going to look short next the those two. They are two inches taller.

Let's get some veriable proof, not what someone says from eyeballing him next to other players.

Game, Set, Match.

[twoseven]

He would at best be a 66% of the time player.

Somebody has to be that 66% guy, are we not wanting every player to be the best possible we can put on the field? It's one thing to not want to pay Briggs to be that guy, but a 29th pick overall? How often is a CB at 29 seeing the field next year with Harris and Woodson still playing? Rivers, who I think will be long gone, is a tackling machine that covers a lot of ground. I would love seeing him even just 66% of the time.

[BallHawk]

At the senior bowl they are saying he isn't a legit 6'4" AND A FREAK IS A Vernon Davis, kellen Winslow type TE.

Well of those two freaks, one has yet to get more than 1,000 or 7 TDs and the other nearly killed himself on a bike (though Winslow has fantastic talent)

Just because a player has great measurables doesn't mean he's going to be a great player.

Give me a hard-working guy with good attributes over a freak anyday.

[CaliforniaCheez]

At the senior bowl they are saying he isn't a legit 6'4" AND A FREAK IS A Vernon Davis, kellen Winslow type TE.

That is one terrible comparison and I would not want unproductive players like Davis and Winslow on the Packers. They have done nothing for San Francisco or Cleveland.

If he is BPA, and the Packers select him, and Bubba Franks is cut, I hope he does something unlike busts Davis and Winslow.

[Partial]

At the senior bowl they are saying he isn't a legit 6'4" AND A FREAK IS A Vernon Davis, kellen Winslow type TE.

Well of those two freaks, one has yet to get more than 1,000 or 7 TDs and the other nearly killed himself on a bike (though Winslow has fantastic talent)

Just because a player has great measurables doesn't mean he's going to be a great player.

Give me a hard-working guy with good attributes over a freak anyday.

You're smoking crack if you don't think Kellen Winslow Jr. is a great player.

[Bretsky]

Winslow Jr is one of the best talents at TE in the game

[Tyrone Bigguns]

At the senior bowl they are saying he isn't a legit 6'4" AND A FREAK IS A Vernon Davis, kellen Winslow type TE.

Well of those two freaks, one has yet to get more than 1,000 or 7 TDs and the other nearly killed himself on a bike (though Winslow has fantastic talent)

Just because a player has great measurables doesn't mean he's going to be a great player.

Give me a hard-working guy with good attributes over a freak anyday.

You're smoking crack if you don't think Kellen Winslow Jr. is a great player.

1 good season...in his 4th year.

That is a long time to wait.

I'd be just as happy with a non freak like Jason Witten.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He would at best be a 66% of the time player.

Somebody has to be that 66% guy, are we not wanting every player to be the best possible we can put on the field? It's one thing to not want to pay Briggs to be that guy, but a 29th pick overall? How often is a CB at 29 seeing the field next year with Harris and Woodson still playing? Rivers, who I think will be long gone, is a tackling machine that covers a lot of ground. I would love seeing him even just 66% of the time.

You are so wrong. It would be terrible to have our #1 pick be out on the field for only 66% of the time.

I know for a fact that all of our previous picks always played way more than that.

[Bretsky]

At the senior bowl they are saying he isn't a legit 6'4" AND A FREAK IS A Vernon Davis, kellen Winslow type TE.

Well of those two freaks, one has yet to get more than 1,000 or 7 TDs and the other nearly killed himself on a bike (though Winslow has fantastic talent)

Just because a player has great measurables doesn't mean he's going to be a great player.

Give me a hard-working guy with good attributes over a freak anyday.

You're smoking crack if you don't think Kellen Winslow Jr. is a great player.

1 good season...in his 4th year.

That is a long time to wait.

I'd be just as happy with a non freak like Jason Witten.

Due to injuries and being an idiot with the cycle accident (if I recall right) Winslow hardly played the first two years.

But he followed that up with

89 catches for 875 yards in 20and 3 TD's 06 and
82 catches for 1106 yds and 5 TD's in 2007

I'm too lazy to look it up, but I doubt many TE's have put up those numbers in the last two years. And he played through injuries much of this year.

Whitten is a stud also; and he may be a better team player. Talent wise it's hard to argue against Winslow though.

[BallHawk]

You're smoking crack if you don't think Kellen Winslow Jr. is a great player.

I said.

and the other nearly killed himself on a bike (though Winslow has fantastic talent)

Never said he wasn't a great player, because on the field he is a fantastic player.

But, Partial....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I82BPA5QAaQ

[Bretsky]

Does Fred Davis have "star" talent ???

Ah forget it, I'm still in denial that we're talking about the draft

We're suppose to be in the dam Super Bowl

[Tyrone Bigguns]

At the senior bowl they are saying he isn't a legit 6'4" AND A FREAK IS A Vernon Davis, kellen Winslow type TE.

Well of those two freaks, one has yet to get more than 1,000 or 7 TDs and the other nearly killed himself on a bike (though Winslow has fantastic talent)

Just because a player has great measurables doesn't mean he's going to be a great player.

Give me a hard-working guy with good attributes over a freak anyday.

You're smoking crack if you don't think Kellen Winslow Jr. is a great player.

1 good season...in his 4th year.

That is a long time to wait.

I'd be just as happy with a non freak like Jason Witten.

Due to injuries and being an idiot with the cycle accident (if I recall right) Winslow hardly played the first two years.

But he followed that up with

89 catches for 875 yards in 20and 3 TD's 06 and
82 catches for 1106 yds and 5 TD's in 2007

I'm too lazy to look it up, but I doubt many TE's have put up those numbers in the last two years. And he played through injuries much of this year.

Whitten is a stud also; and he may be a better team player. Talent wise it's hard to argue against Winslow though.

Talent: True.

Brains: Not exactly there.

Your stats are correct, but you still have to count those first two years. The team paid him those years.

As for numbers.

07: Witten and Gonzalez finished ahead. But, you can't tell me you wouldn't be happy with Gates, Heap, Shockey, Cooley, Clark, Heath Miller, or even Owen Daniels.

And there are others that could have posted better numbers on different teams: Watson, Zach Miller, Alge Crumpler, etc.

06: #1 in receptions, but is average is poor.

The bottom line is that there are at least 10 TEs that you would feel very good about having and not complain that you didn't have a FREAK.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Whitten is a stud also; and he may be a better team player. Talent wise it's hard to argue against Winslow though.

500 yards/year average and 8 TD's in 4 years?? He will never catch Greg Jennings in touchdowns.

In terms of $$/yard he is not impressive. Disappointment leads to the bust label. He has never shaken that.

Vernon (Who?) Davis has done nothing when his QB depended on him the most.

Why discuss these losers?? Because bad draft picks have made the franchises that drafted them among the worst in the league the last few years. Had those players performed their franchises would be doing better.

[ny10804]

Fred Davis is 6'2 and 5/8 of an inch.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/weighin.html

Kellen Davis is 6'6...

[b bulldog]

tHANKS, 6'3" FOR A te IS SMALL, GAME, SET MATCH BUDDY!
oNE MORE THING, i NEVER SAID THAT DAVIS OR WINSLOW WERE GREAT, JUST CALLED THEM FREAKS, LOOK IT UP...PLEASE