Anyone think that Collins can...

[b bulldog]

B, I agree with your point on Hawk, scarey isn't it.

[packers11]

Bigby may be are only playmaker on D, maybe kampy and Barnett as well but after those three???

Woodson... 12 ints in two seasons...

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I think we are all missing something about Collins, apparently.
Collins was a Pro-Bowl alternate, not a first alternate, just alternate. That means some think he is something like the 6-9th best safety in the NFC.
Also, I was also surprised to read the following in the GBPG grading article:

Was targeted 46 times but gave up only 15 completions

It seems his biggest deficiency is failing to generate turnovers. Otherwise, he must be more solid than we think he is.

Sounds like AJ Hawk to me.

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Probably pointing out that Hawk is solid, but not a playmaker. A strong part of that is the scheme; but there is some validity to it as well

I think Greg Williams could make him into a very good LB.

[MacCool606]

Or just fire Schottenheimer

[MJZiggy]

Harv, please check your pms.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Harv, please check your pms.

you want him to take a midol?

[Packers4Ever]

[quote="Partial"][quote="Bretsky"][quote="Deputy Nutz"]

I think we are all missing something about Collins, apparently.
Collins was a Pro-Bowl alternate, not a first alternate, just alternate. That means some think he is something like the 6-9th best safety in the NFC.
Also, I was also surprised to read the following in the GBPG grading article:

Was targeted 46 times but gave up only 15 completions

It seems his biggest deficiency is failing to generate turnovers. Otherwise, he must be more solid than we think he is.

Sounds like AJ Hawk to me.

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Here's what Bob McGinn had to say this morning in the Milwaukee Journal - RE; Collins, After 3 seasons, he has played one memorable game at Chicago, started 15 games in his 3rd year and didn't have a single turnover. led the team with dropped interceptions with 3, giving him 8 in his career. Can be moody. Knows his playbook but doesn't always see the big picture and ends up making poor decisions. Gave up 5 and 1/2 big plays and 3 TD passes, had just 1 1/2 tackles for loss, Tackling better than he did as a rookie. Paper graded him at C- (C minus)

There was LOTS more in this long article covering every GB player plus Thompson and McCarthy. Each was graded for performance this year. I think someone else here is covering this subject also - check other posts here.
Suggestion given for Defensive Coord. also.

[b bulldog]

Could someone please post this article in it's entirity

[Harlan Huckleby]

bulldog, I think if you sniff in the garbage can, you might find something to your liking.

[Deputy Nutz]

bulldog, I think if you sniff in the garbage can, you might find something to your liking.

Some people just don't get it. Don't go to the garbage can, you will be infected.

[woodbuck27]

Harv, please check your pms.

Is that the same kind reminder as ''you should now check the oven''?

Sorry mj but I'm just entering the start of the POST Packer crashdown reality phase, that as a symptom includes silliness or giddyness.

I'm trying to re-boot my Packer psyche to full off the shelf ''what in the HELL are we going to do now TT ''?

It's really ALL about Packers Forever.

[woodbuck27]

Harv, please check your pms.

you want him to take a midol?

Hahahahahah. . . JUST GREAT HH!!

[woodbuck27]

bulldog, I think if you sniff in the garbage can, you might find something to your liking.

Some people just don't get it. Don't go to the garbage can, you will be infected.

Oh noooo !

NOT Nuclear waste un - recycled. Really BAD stuff!!

[MJZiggy]

Harv, please check your pms.

Is that the same kind reminder as ''you should now check the oven''?

Why is a simple request that someone retrieve a message from me this interesting? We're not even really far enough into the offseason yet to be this bored, people.

Thanks again, Harvey!

And Woodbuck, it may be very possible that TT holds off doing anything until he sees how his very young, yet talented team handles this offseason. It's possible that nothing need be done considering we were 3 points from the Super Bowl this season. Much easier to watch what happens than to fret about it.

[The Leaper]

And Woodbuck, it may be very possible that TT holds off doing anything until he sees how his very young, yet talented team handles this offseason. It's possible that nothing need be done considering we were 3 points from the Super Bowl this season. Much easier to watch what happens than to fret about it.

True, but the main reason you were 3 points from the Super Bowl is 38 and damn close to retirement. At some point, you have to recognize that your best shot at winning a title anytime soon is in 2008 if Favre returns. We have cap space, so why not bring in some veteran help in areas that we need it? This year's FA crop will probably be better than last year's.