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  • #31
    Depends. IF Favre retires, TT believes he has the heir apparent. If Favre returns, TT still has to believe that any vet he brings in is better than the player he's brought in to replace--AND he has to believe (and this is the tricky part) that the vet he brings in is better for the long-term health of the team than a player he could draft (a la Charles Woodson). Not saying it won't happen, I'm just saying it has to be right in TT's mind no matter what anyone else thinks and that there is the possibility that he may not go gangbusters and bring a lot of veterans in. If any.
    "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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    • #32
      Originally posted by b bulldog
      Could someone please post this article in it's entirity

      Bulldog, the JS article ran almost 3 full pages long,it would be difficult to
      post. You might have a better chance checking your local drugstores, etc
      to see if they have any leftovers, sometimes they do and will keep them
      on the racks for a couple more days. Or maybe a neighbor has one.

      One other suggestion in the article that I don't think I mentioned was
      to fire Sanders.
      Garbage ??
      Is it really a halo or
      just a swelled head ?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Packers4Ever
        Garbage ??
        articleay is ostedpay in the arbagegay ancay.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
          ?
          I haven't been a rat long enough to know where everyone stands on certain players, you name it. You WILL NOT find a bigger AJ fan than me. On another board I got tired of the relentless bs you would hear about Hawk being a bust, not making enough plays, you name it, simply because he wasn't standing out in a flashy way.

          My post was a sarcastic comment, and an automatic knee-jerking smartass reaction brought on by bad memories of those that do not see AJ for what he is, maybe the most solid and consistent player we have on defense. He may not be all over the place racking up big play stats, but at the end of the day when the grades are in, he's usually done his job as it was asked of him. Probably better than some care to realize. Patler pointing out that Collins may be more effective than we think he is when the numbers are analyzed just harkened me back to the arguments I used to have at the JSO home for juvenille delinquents with Hawk haters. Sorry to have confused you. I've yet to read any Hawk hater-esque posts here, so I probably shouldn't have posted the sarcasm. My apologies.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
            Originally posted by Packers4Ever
            Garbage ??
            articleay is ostedpay in the arbagegay ancay.

            HAHAHAHA......it all comes together now.


            That was outstanding.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Rastak
              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
              Originally posted by Packers4Ever
              Garbage ??
              articleay is ostedpay in the arbagegay ancay.

              HAHAHAHA......it all comes together now.


              That was outstanding.
              I do know what an arbagegay ancay is !!
              Is it really a halo or
              just a swelled head ?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by twoseven
                Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
                ?
                I haven't been a rat long enough to know where everyone stands on certain players, you name it. You WILL NOT find a bigger AJ fan than me. On another board I got tired of the relentless bs you would hear about Hawk being a bust, not making enough plays, you name it, simply because he wasn't standing out in a flashy way.

                My post was a sarcastic comment, and an automatic knee-jerking smartass reaction brought on by bad memories of those that do not see AJ for what he is, maybe the most solid and consistent player we have on defense. He may not be all over the place racking up big play stats, but at the end of the day when the grades are in, he's usually done his job as it was asked of him. Probably better than some care to realize. Patler pointing out that Collins may be more effective than we think he is when the numbers are analyzed just harkened me back to the arguments I used to have at the JSO home for juvenille delinquents with Hawk haters. Sorry to have confused you. I've yet to read any Hawk hater-esque posts here, so I probably shouldn't have posted the sarcasm. My apologies.
                You and bulldog will undoubtedly hook up in future posts, twoseven. He's a wolverine to the bone, so he's genetically predetermined to hate on Hawk...

                Like a lot of posters here though, bulldog is a great guy to exchange opinions with. He always keeps in on the up and up (as long as you do) and brings facts with his smack. He'll take you head on in one post, then he'll be your biggest ally if he agrees with you in the next post.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by vince
                  Originally posted by twoseven
                  Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
                  ?
                  I haven't been a rat long enough to know where everyone stands on certain players, you name it. You WILL NOT find a bigger AJ fan than me. On another board I got tired of the relentless bs you would hear about Hawk being a bust, not making enough plays, you name it, simply because he wasn't standing out in a flashy way.

                  My post was a sarcastic comment, and an automatic knee-jerking smartass reaction brought on by bad memories of those that do not see AJ for what he is, maybe the most solid and consistent player we have on defense. He may not be all over the place racking up big play stats, but at the end of the day when the grades are in, he's usually done his job as it was asked of him. Probably better than some care to realize. Patler pointing out that Collins may be more effective than we think he is when the numbers are analyzed just harkened me back to the arguments I used to have at the JSO home for juvenille delinquents with Hawk haters. Sorry to have confused you. I've yet to read any Hawk hater-esque posts here, so I probably shouldn't have posted the sarcasm. My apologies.
                  You and bulldog will undoubtedly hook up in future posts, twoseven. He's a wolverine to the bone, so he's genetically predetermined to hate on Hawk...

                  Like a lot of posters here though, bulldog is a great guy to exchange opinions with. He always keeps in on the up and up (as long as you do) and brings facts with his smack. He'll take you head on in one post, then he'll be your biggest ally if he agrees with you in the next post.
                  All I can say and have ever said about hating a player because of where they are from is, for me, that rah rah bs should be left at the door when the talent is coming to play on your NFL team. It seems a bit silly to let some college rivalry, even the best of all time UM/OSU, still being upheld in the NFL. Do Woodson and Hawk dislike each other because of this? If not, then why should a fan, even an alumnus of one of the schools? I have never cheered against a Michigan player, Ohio State player, or Minnnesota player that we picked up just because I am a Badger fan, I think that's nothing short of ridiculous. Reality is I have absolutely torched many Badger players verbally that have attempted to play in the NFL. I have had more than enough insight on them like most WI residents, but I leave trashing other big ten kids to their respective fans, works for me but others can do what they want. BOTH schools attract and produce outstading talent into the NFL, that's ALL that I care about, and I wish we had more ofit coming to GB.

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                  • #39
                    Collins is a S.
                    He's not a ballhawk.

                    That's the problem for many people. He has lots of athletic skill, but not very good hands. If his name isn't being mentioned, he's probably doing his job.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by twoseven
                      I've yet to read any Hawk hater-esque posts here, so I probably shouldn't have posted the sarcasm. My apologies.
                      See our poll. I didn't post in that thread because everybody knows that I think Hawk is a very good starter who just does his job well. Statistically, he's one of the best coverage LBs in the business. He's well above average in his tackling ability. He also doesn't take poor angles a lot. It would be nice if the Packers used all of his abilities (blitzed him more). That's where a lot of big plays happen. Until he gets to blitz more, we probably won't see the big turnover numbers. There's not much he can he do about that.

                      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                      • #41
                        Anyone think that Collins can actually make a play
                        Our D has too many players that are above average but not playmakers.
                        Pass Jessica's Law and keep the predators behind bars for 25 years minimum. Vote out liberal, SP judges. Enforce all immigrant laws!

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                        • #42
                          I guess I don't really need to post my opinion on Hawk
                          Pass Jessica's Law and keep the predators behind bars for 25 years minimum. Vote out liberal, SP judges. Enforce all immigrant laws!

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by b bulldog
                            Anyone think that Collins can actually make a play
                            Our D has too many players that are above average but not playmakers.
                            I think it's an open question whether the Packers defense lacks playmakers, or whether they lack a defensive scheme that puts players in a good position to make big plays.
                            I can't run no more
                            With that lawless crowd
                            While the killers in high places
                            Say their prayers out loud
                            But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                            A thundercloud
                            They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Joemailman
                              Originally posted by b bulldog
                              Anyone think that Collins can actually make a play
                              Our D has too many players that are above average but not playmakers.
                              I think it's an open question whether the Packers defense lacks playmakers, or whether they lack a defensive scheme that puts players in a good position to make big plays.
                              Joe, I think it's a combination of both!

                              They have some "playmakers", maybe not studs, but real good players.
                              I would love to see a more aggressive defensive philosophy, possibly allowing Hawke to really blossom, along with Barnett and his speed.

                              Not sure if Collins will ever become a great safety, but in a more agressive scheme, maybe we'll get to see some upside!
                              My Two favorite teams are the Packers, and whoever plays the Vikings!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Joemailman
                                Originally posted by b bulldog
                                Anyone think that Collins can actually make a play
                                Our D has too many players that are above average but not playmakers.
                                I think it's an open question whether the Packers defense lacks playmakers, or whether they lack a defensive scheme that puts players in a good position to make big plays.

                                Or the coach that will maximize the players by implementing the scheme
                                TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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