What does this Super Bowl teach us?

[b bulldog]

hell no and what this shows me is what most already know, a passrush is key in today's pass happy NFL where the rules help the WR's and kill the DB's.

[twoseven]

hell no and what this shows me is what most already know, a passrush is key in today's pass happy NFL where the rules help the WR's and kill the DB's.

Yep, and I shared that sentiment before I typed the post to begin with. We need more from the DL besides making excuses for why they fell off as the year went on. If all we are going to do is hope like hell that Jolly and Jenkins stay healthy (and maybe Harrel explodes from nowhere) for our interior pass rush to be solid, I find it hard to believe DL dominance is headed our way any time soon. I know I'm gonna get trashed for saying it, but I think we need more.

[woodbuck27]

Re: What does this Super Bowl teach us?

1. Defense still wins Championships.
2. Defensive line play is crucial to overall success.
3. You don't need a HOF quarterback to win the Super Bowl, a steady performer will do.

From that one can conclude (if they so chose):
A. TT's emphasis on the defense is well placed.
B. TT's more specific emphasis on the DL is well placed.
C. The Packers chances don't have to go out the window when Favre retires.

I'd have to add that both lines need to be solid. The DL and OL as well.

PLUS:

How about the factor called believing or having heart as a team.

Talent plus heart ( believing ) plus proper preperation and the luck or good fortune to deal with adversity all works. I began to sense about three - four weeks ago, that the GIANTS were for real, based on something I read on how together the entire team was then.

They simply got that other factor caled momentum going for them as well. The Green Bay Packers never in my heart got to that same sense or feel for me. The Packers won a lot but something was missing.

[HarveyWallbangers]

hell no and what this shows me is what most already know, a passrush is key in today's pass happy NFL where the rules help the WR's and kill the DB's.

Yep, and I shared that sentiment before I typed the post to begin with. We need more from the DL besides making excuses for why they fell off as the year went on. If all we are going to do is hope like hell that Jolly and Jenkins stay healthy (and maybe Harrel explodes from nowhere) for our interior pass rush to be solid, I find it hard to believe DL dominance is headed our way any time soon. I know I'm gonna get trashed for saying it, but I think we need more.

Who is out there to bolster the pass rush? We likely won't get a stud rookie drafting as late as we are. The good ones aren't going to become available in FA. You can bet Jared Allen will be tagged. We better hope the guys you mentioned improve or stay healthy--because there's likely not much else we can do. Albert Haynesworth may be available, but he's a headcase that could be anywhere from awful to great. It's a great unknown. We are going to need the young DL on our roster to improve. I won't say that can't happen. I'm also not ready to write off Jenkins.

[Erock]

What I took away from this Super Bowl and from watching the Giants play against the Cowboys, Packers and Patriots was that they imposed their will on the other team!

They lined up and beat up the other teams and congratulations to them and their fans, they showed up and went to work!

Toughness can win championships!

[Deputy Nutz]

NY's defense was great, but NY wasn't going to win that game unless NY found a way to get into the end zone.

I don't really agree. The only chance to beat the highest scoring offense in league history was with a heroic defensive effort. They got that. And they got a decent though not stellar performance from the Giant offense.

I agree I expect the Giants to at least score 17 points, on the other hand I expected the Patriots score at least 30 points. The defense did its job holding the most dynamic offense in league history to 14 points.

The Patriots' overconfidence on all levels can certainly contribute to their loss. They didn't change a thing to accommodate the pressure put on Brady, they tried some screens and some roll outs, but no three step drops, and what was silly they kept doing that quick flanker screen that worked once or twice but then the Giants shut that down just like they did to Green Bay. The Pats really didn't try any draws, shut down their running game. The Patriots had 30 seconds to go 40 yard to tie the game, they firmly believed they could hit Randy Moss down the sideline for a touchdown instead of going over the middle with him, moving the football down the field, and using time outs. The other thing although I didn't think it was quite as big a deal at the time as Bretsky, but the Pats go for it on 4-13 instead of trying a 49 yard fieldgoal. Above anything else that was overconfidence, hell they were doing it all year, why not in the Super Bowl?

Anyways...

[woodbuck27]

What I took away from this Super Bowl and from watching the Giants play against the Cowboys, Packers and Patriots was that they imposed their will on the other team!

They lined up and beat up the other teams and congratulations to them and their fans, they showed up and went to work!

Toughness can win championships!

Certainly.

Any Championship team I've been associated with in my life as a Player, Coach or Manager. It has been just that, or a strong will or toughness against losing that's taken my teams over the top.

There has to be no part or place on a team RE: LOSING. It comes down a lot to positive Kharma in sports and life in general. Winners are usually only those who believe they will win.

Losers are well. . .just losers! The sad part is that losers even make excuses or go to negative emotions to counter even winning. So often losers are only just losers.

There is never an excuse for losing. Losing is inexcusable or unacceptable to winners.

[twoseven]

hell no and what this shows me is what most already know, a passrush is key in today's pass happy NFL where the rules help the WR's and kill the DB's.

Yep, and I shared that sentiment before I typed the post to begin with. We need more from the DL besides making excuses for why they fell off as the year went on. If all we are going to do is hope like hell that Jolly and Jenkins stay healthy (and maybe Harrel explodes from nowhere) for our interior pass rush to be solid, I find it hard to believe DL dominance is headed our way any time soon. I know I'm gonna get trashed for saying it, but I think we need more.

Who is out there to bolster the pass rush? We likely won't get a stud rookie drafting as late as we are. The good ones aren't going to become available in FA. You can bet Jared Allen will be tagged. We better hope the guys you mentioned improve or stay healthy--because there's likely not much else we can do. Albert Haynesworth may be available, but he's a headcase that could be anywhere from awful to great. It's a great unknown. We are going to need the young DL on our roster to improve. I won't say that can't happen. I'm also not ready to write off Jenkins.

Notice that my stance is that I do not think they are good enogh as is, I didn't say that we could easily upgrade or upgrade at all for that matter. I don't have an answer, but I get the impression that some feel we're right where we need to be and I disagree. That's just my opinion.

Personally, I think I'd like to see them take a chance on Hayensworth, or maybe Sean Rodgers. Each brings their own negatives (money needed and potential performance), but I also think both have much greater upsides than Jolly and Jenkins. I guess it comes down to the odds that you'll get those upsides VS where you are cap wise if they do not perform at peak. Then again, do we need their best to improve our DT position. Like I said, I don't have the answers, I'm just thinking aloud.

[Scott Campbell]

Any Championship team I'vge been associated with in my life as a Player, Coach or Manager. It has been just that or a strong will or toughness against losing that's taken my teams over the top.

Shuffleboard, curling and bingo don't count.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Woody's game is checkers.

[Scott Campbell]

The other thing although I didn't think it was quite as big a deal at the time as Bretsky, but the Pats go for it on 4-13 instead of trying a 49 yard fieldgoal.

I thought that was a huge blunder. 49 yards indoor is makeable with a decent completion percentage. You can bet they're kicking the crap out of BB up in Boston today on that call.

[FritzDontBlitz]

What I learned from the Super Bowl is that the way to beat a good QB is to constantly harass him with pressure. Super Bowl XLII also showed how successful a defense can be when it does more than just rush its down lineman. Green Bay needs to learn how to apply defensive pressure instead of expecting it to come from just the defensive line.

Spagnolo called a masterful game, some of those blitzes by Kavika Mitchell were works of art.

[FritzDontBlitz]

The other thing although I didn't think it was quite as big a deal at the time as Bretsky, but the Pats go for it on 4-13 instead of trying a 49 yard fieldgoal.

I thought that was a huge blunder. 49 yards indoor is makeable with a decent completion percentage. You can bet they're kicking the crap out of BB up in Boston today on that call.

I couldnt understand that either.

[woodbuck27]

Any Championship team I'vge been associated with in my life as a Player, Coach or Manager. It has been just that or a strong will or toughness against losing that's taken my teams over the top.

Shuffleboard, curling and bingo don't count.

Hey Scott:

Yesd I've won in Curling and there several times and believe this.You have to have it bet. the easrs and be physically strong to win at curling. That game is so often underestimated as a game not demanding the physical.

WRONG!!

Shuffleboard. Yup pretty good at that but stink at Bingo.

Won a few pool tornaments but the biggies for me arn't individual honors but the effort I contribute and appreciate for other's benefits Re: Team Sport wins.

Sports such as Ice and Ball Hockey,Baseball and Fastball, Candlepin Bowling, Basketball, Boxing and Martial Arts (individual) and Cross Country Running (individual and Team) and Road Racing (individual and Team) and Car Rallying (Team).

Anything I get involved in I only expect to win Scott. What's left?

[Patler]

Hey Scott:

Yesd I've won in Curling and there several times and believe this.You have to have it bet. the easrs and be physically strong to win at curling. That game is so often underestimated as a game not demanding the physical.

WRONG!!

Woody;

Not to change the subject, but do you agree that curling lost some of its charm with the development of the push "brooms" as opposed to the conventional looking brooms that our mothers and grandmothers used in the kitchen?