What does this Super Bowl teach us?

[b bulldog]

Agree but history does show that if you have a stout D ,a time and ball controlling O and a QB that is just efficient, you'll be in good shape.

[b bulldog]

Nick, once again as probably posted too many times to count, your a moron!

[b bulldog]

yOUR THINKING THAT 99 is worth what you think he is further proves this point.

[RashanGary]

Agree but history does show that if you have a stout D ,a time and ball controlling O and a QB that is just efficient, you'll be in good shape.

Yep. Brady is a damn fine QB, bulldog. I shouldn't even be giving him shit but the level of greatness bestowed upon him seems to be too high IMO. I think the wins the Patriots have had over the years had a lot to do with their team, not just their QB, not even mostly their QB.

Brady, Aikman, Bradshaw, ect. . . All mulitple winners. All HOF players, maybe because they are just so damn great, but maybe because they had great defenses, great ST's and great Olines to go with them for many years.

I just don't think it's right or accurate to crown players solely on wins that were achieved by 53 guys and a bunch of coaches, not 1 player. His numbers the last three years were the most impressive of his career but the better he's played the more he's lost big games. Then, the years he won were the years he did the least (his first 4 years in the league). Go figure. The year Manning won was the year he was asked to do the least. There is something to not asking your QB to do too much that results in championships and with that "not hanging it on the QB" winning recipe, I don't know why people crown the QB after the win.

[Freak Out]

The other thing although I didn't think it was quite as big a deal at the time as Bretsky, but the Pats go for it on 4-13 instead of trying a 49 yard fieldgoal.

I thought that was a huge blunder. 49 yards indoor is makeable with a decent completion percentage. You can bet they're kicking the crap out of BB up in Boston today on that call.

After what the G-men had been doing to Brady all day you have to take those 3 points....that was to big a gamble to take. BB outsmarted himself there.

Obviously it was a big mistake to go away from what had kept Plastico in check all day and leave him singled up in that situation at the end of the game.

[Kiwon]

I learned that the football pundits are never wrong. Always listen to the professional experts

[RashanGary]

Well, it was two years ago when Brady threw the pick against Denver that I said "let's see how many more championships he wins" to you at JS. You were all pissy and said he'll keep racking him up. Remember that?


I assumed the numbers would come down on the Pats earlier, but the cap jumped two years ago and they extended it a little. Even with the fortunate surrounding events that favored the Pats, they still havn't won in three years and now that little gift they got with the salary boost is about to catch up to them and I think they'll start to crumble.


I see Brady spending the last 12 years of his career with no championships. We'll just keep having this conversation every year. We had it two years ago. We had it last year. We're having it now and if you still browse the sites, we'll have it next year and the year after and the year after and you get the point. Every time it will become more apparent that Brady was a part of some great teams and benefited greatly from the surrouding circumstances.

Coming off the moss year, you think I'm stupid or crazy. That's fine. YOu have a right to misread the situation and act arrogant about it. Noboyd can stop you.

My opinion is that he was a part of a great team that was extended longer with the cap increase right through the prime of his career (during which time he couldn't capitolize) and then it will crumble. If he really is the best QB every, surely he'll win at least one more SB from years 5-18 or 19. If I don't die in some strange crash, I'll make sure to stop by ever year to remind you how little he means to his team and how much more the surroundign cast meant to those victories and every year I'll look more right and you'll look more wrong untill you finially shut up. Mark it down His legacy will be that of Troy Aikman. Largely forgotten.

[Rastak]

Hey Scott:

Yesd I've won in Curling and there several times and believe this.You have to have it bet. the easrs and be physically strong to win at curling. That game is so often underestimated as a game not demanding the physical.

WRONG!!

Woody;

Not to change the subject, but do you agree that curling lost some of its charm with the development of the push "brooms" as opposed to the conventional looking brooms that our mothers and grandmothers used in the kitchen?

Patler:

It may have lost some of the color but it's certainly a lot easier on the hands and body.

I swang a Black Jack for about two decades (and made a lot of noise power sweeping. After weekend of 5-7- even 9 games in Provincial playdowns to try for the BRIAR I was nearly ready to die come the last couple of games.

Curling back then was very physical if you played competitively.

Woody, when I was a kid I used to go watch my dad play basketball in a city league and once a week throw the stone at the Saint Paul Curling Club. I was told I saw my grandfather curl once but I was 3 and he died shortly afterword so I don't recall that. I later met an old fellow who claimed to have curled with my grandfather many times and knew him well.....back in the early 60's.

[Rastak]

Did the Vikes ever make the SB?

Does a Bear shit in the woods?

[packrat]

As big as defense was, the Giants running game contributed to the defense. It kept the Pats offense off the field. Establishing a good running game that is CONSISTENT is key to the Pack improving and the key to that is more about the OL than it is about the running backs. It sure would be nice to be able to run the screen, too, which is also an OL and running back thing.

[Lurker64]

Did the Vikes ever make the SB?

Does a Bear shit in the woods?

Four times, but he doesn't get much out of it. ;P

[Iron Mike]

Did the Vikes ever make the SB?

Does a Bear shit in the woods?

Speaking of shit:

[b bulldog]

Nick if you weren't smoking dope in your earlier years you may be able to comprehend certain things and articles written by people or groups of people and I assure that from what I've been reading, brady is already considered a top 3-6 QB of alltime so your alreaDY WRONG AND if arrogamnce is what you call it, fine but the facts or should I say results are on my side. They got beat this year in the SB, last seaon in the AFc Championship game and he hasn't done anything...moron!

[b bulldog]

One more thing, he doesn't have to do anything more, he won a MVP, been the MVP in two SB's and has been a part of 3 winning SB teams. He did lose the big game now and he will never be able to change that.

[Partial]

Two lessons were learned:

We need to keep building our trenches. Winning that battle week in and week out will take us far.

Randy Moss or Terrell Owens have never done better than second place. Woody, its time for you to eat some crow!