Favre return isn't a given

[the_idle_threat]

One thing I agree with that the article states is that there is a sense of clam this year among the Packer faithful. The past few years everyone was anxious. You would think after coming so close to the SB people would be more anxious. I think the Packers will be fine whether or not Favre retires.

I'm not a big fish eater. Maybe that's why I'm getting a divorce!!!

I'm not gonna say a word ... I'm gettin myself into enough trouble on that other thread as it is ...

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[fan4life]

To say that fans are less anxious about Favre returning because they may have some hope that Life After Favre won't be the darkness predicted a few years ago is a presumption.

Of course it is, just like any of your opinions are also presumptions.
My opinions are just that, opinions, as are yours.

However, I am of the opinion that the god-like reverence extended by many toward Favre took a hit when he was given a chance to lead a drive to the Super Bowl, and came up with a fairly bad throw when his ability was needed the most.

The addict-like need for him to return has been diminished. Withdrawal from Favre addiction has begun.

I can assure you, Patler, that fans who have a "god-like reverence for Favre" accept his fallabilities.

Me? I accept that Favre came through in the clutch too many times in both that game as well as the playoff against Seattle to doubt that he was as capable of "leading a drive to the SB" as any QB I have ever seen. But that even in sudden death overtime, it takes a team effort. And that to judge a man's ability by one botched play shows the insight of a juvenile whose expectations and 'hero worship' are way out of proportion with the realities of the game.

I respect that you are getting off your addition to Favre, though.

[twoseven]

Would retaining Corey Williams be easier with Brett's 11 mil in space available? Are there any QBs in FA that might be better backups than Craig Nall? Are there any FAs, period, that would be easier to pursue with Brett's 11 mil available? You apparently can read TT's mind, I cannot. I still see it as a benefit to the team to know what #4 is doing before FA starts.

I'm not sure the extra $11 million in cap space would make a bit of difference in how much will be offered to Williams, or any other FA.

Are there any QBs in FA that would be better backups than Nall, or potential starters over Rodgers? What is the likelihood we give any of them a look if Favre is coming back? What is the likelihood we give any of them a look if Favre retired tomorrow? If you claim no difference, so be it, I'll turn the page.

[Pacopete4]

I believe fans now realize that Favre is no longer the difference maker, whether or not he is better than Rodgers, The loss to the Giants was an awakening for some, demonstrating that even with Favre, and being just one game away from the Super Bowl, playing at home; having Favre didn't matter. Watching Manning perform efficiently when Favre didn't, under conditions in which most thought the advantage would go to Favre, raises an underlying doubt. In that game, on that day, would Rodgers maybe have performed better???

Doubts like that make the urgency of Favre's return less intense. I think many now realize it may not happen again with Favre, and so they are willing to move on, or accept his return. It isn't that important to them either way.

The belief that Favre absolutely would get the Packers to the Super Bowl if they just got close enough is now gone.

so Tom Brady isn't a difference maker either? How bout Peyton Manning?.. only ONE,....... ONE! team can win it every year.. key word TEAM

Favre gives us our best chance by a land slide and will continue to do so if he plays like he did last season..

[Patler]

Are there any QBs in FA that would be better backups than Nall, or potential starters over Rodgers? What is the likelihood we give any of them a look if Favre is coming back? What is the likelihood we give any of them a look if Favre retired tomorrow? If you claim no difference, so be it, I'll turn the page.

Did I not already state, at the start of this thread:

The only affect it would have is that if Favre comes back, they don't need a #2 QB, and can maybe look at drafting a guy for #3. If Favre does not come back, TT may have a little more interest in signing a veteran who would be capable of stepping in if Rodgers went out, even if he still drafts a QB "project". Other than that, it really shouldn't matter who the QB is.

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If you can't follow the discussion, I will simply quit. Good night.

[b bulldog]

I hope BRETT COMES back and I'm far from an apologist cause he was better this year and may be our best QB next year. Any QB at Brett's age though is far from a lock at being able to put up great numbers like he did this year. I just hope that MM has a short leash on Brett when he has his games like Dallas and the Bears where he kills the team on his own.

[RashanGary]

I don't have time to read through another stupid Favre thread right now, but I just wanted to add if nobody hasn't said this yet that. .. . .

This is a big "stir the off season pot" moment for the bored GB media. Nobody was saying a word about Favre and the media just had to stir it up.

[MJZiggy]

What else are they gonna do? It's not like the article really said anything either.

All it said was he might be back if he doesn't retire. Duh.

[Patler]

so Tom Brady isn't a difference maker either? How bout Peyton Manning?.. only ONE,....... ONE! team can win it every year.. key word TEAM

Favre gives us our best chance by a land slide and will continue to do so if he plays like he did last season..

Not in the playoffs Favre hasn't. Not for a long time, Of course that is not uncommon for old players in any sport. They wear out during the season and do not always have playoff impact.

Seattle you may say? That comeback was as much do to with the running game as it was Favre. Grant had more yards running than Favre had passing.

Geez, heaven forbid that someone believes a 38 year old QB isn't as capable as he was at 30.

[packinpatland]

For what it's worth.........from the NFL channel, Rod Woodson's 2 cents.....he thinks that Brett will be back. Best bunch of receivers he's ever had...........

[twoseven]

Are there any QBs in FA that would be better backups than Nall, or potential starters over Rodgers? What is the likelihood we give any of them a look if Favre is coming back? What is the likelihood we give any of them a look if Favre retired tomorrow? If you claim no difference, so be it, I'll turn the page.

Did I not already state, at the start of this thread:

The only affect it would have is that if Favre comes back, they don't need a #2 QB, and can maybe look at drafting a guy for #3. If Favre does not come back, TT may have a little more interest in signing a veteran who would be capable of stepping in if Rodgers went out, even if he still drafts a QB "project". Other than that, it really shouldn't matter who the QB is.

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If you can't follow the discussion, I will simply quit. Good night.

Thank's for the lecture. I'll make sure to proof read more closely before I disturb you in the future.

[Pacopete4]

Geez, heaven forbid that someone believes a 38 year old QB isn't as capable as he was at 30.

weird.. Favre had more wins, more TD's, less INT's, more yards, a better completion percetage this year, at 38, than he did at 30.... strange


i think it has more to do with teams, he didnt have the teams from 1999 on to win super bowls.. we flat our weren't good enough and woulda been way worse without favre, just like we would now

[RashanGary]

i think it has more to do with teams, he didnt have the teams from 1999 on to win super bowls.. we flat our weren't good enough and woulda been way worse without favre, just like we would now

This seems very true. Many times a QB put in a position to not lose the game can just relax, take what's given and end up with W's. It's a very different game when you are on a bad team. I don't know what truely GREAT QB's out there never won SB's, but it wouldn't suprise me that if put in the best conditions, there are guys who would have been looked at in hindsight as the best ever but are now just considered good players.

Favre has greatness cemented, but it doesn't take away that variable of the surrounding teams that exaggerate many QB's greatness or take away greatness from players who never had the luxury of a great defnese and ST's. YOu just can't judge greatness on SB wins, wins, stats or just watching a player alone. You have to put it all together. Many in the media give it all to SB wins. I think that is the worst possible way because the QB is maybe 15% of the equation, not the whole thing and not even close.

[b bulldog]

I agree with the team thing to a point but players can lose games for a team much easier than a player can win games by himself but we were good enough the year we lost in Frisco on the Rice fumble, the year of the 4th and 26 and this year.