Is 4 starting caliber DT's too many?

[b bulldog]

They made it sound like this will most likely ownly be a one year deal also. Obviously, they could be wrong though.

[packers11]

I read that Jolly might not be ready for training camp...

I think having 99 for one more year is the best scenerio for that position... Gives Harrell time to get used to the NFL and helps Jolly progress into a good DT...

[b bulldog]

IMO, that is most liekly the reason why 99 is still a Packer

[hurleyfan]

True but the Giants Dline is far, far better.

Not sure about the Giants Dline being better than the Pack's, but there is a different "philosophy" in the two defenses...

Sanders plays the bend don't break style (yawn), Spagnuolo plays the let's-kick-the-shit-out-of-them philosophy!

Same type of players(maybe) under a different scheme makes a world of difference.... JMO

[CaliforniaCheez]

Injuries happen and some will not be available at playoff time.

Depth is a good thing, especially at DT where the the last few drafts have not been good. Those guys are valuable and Ted can always trade away one of them for another player or favorable draft pick.

[b bulldog]

Tuck, Strahan and Osi are better than anyone we have except Kampy imo.

[hurleyfan]

Tuck, Strahan and Osi are better than anyone we have except Kampy imo.

That's cool... Osi prolly better than any Packer Dline-man..

But Kampman / Pickett / Jolly(Williams) / Jenkins(Harrel) / Cole(KGB) in an attacking style defenseive scheme I say measures up fairly well with the Giant Dline...

[RashanGary]

Hopefully Thompson hits on a bunch of talented Dlineman. Sherman did a pretty good job with Kamp, Williams and Jenkins. We need to keep that rolling.

[RashanGary]

Travelle Wharton, Panthers. Age: 27.
Re-signed with Panthers (6 years, $36 million; $12 million guaranteed)

Travelle Wharton has been ineffective as a tackle in this league, but there's a belief he'll be better suited at guard. Either way, I wouldn't spend much money on him.

This guy got 6 years, 36. Forgive me for not knowing my obscure NFL Olineman, but who the hell is this guy and how did he get 12 million gauranteed.

If you wonder what Corey Williams would have gotten, look no further than the 30th ranked free agent who happens to be an OG.

Williams would have gotten close to 50 mil IMO.

[Guiness]

As far as CW goes, he is still not going to be worth the money we might give him in a longer deal even if he gives us a discount. I'd rather hope for Harrel and/or Jolly to send CW packing next year with their improved play than hope CW will elevate his current game. Paying CW 4-5 million a year, (what I think it takes to satisfy him and his agent, minimum), is a waste unless he all of a sudden turns into Tuck next season, I don't see that happening.

wow, have to wholeheartedly disagree with that!

7 sacks from the DT position? Not worth big dollars? Him being there allows us to generate a pass rush inside and outside is very valuable. And don't give me that stuff about him not being an every down player, not a starter, etc.

The reality is that a player of CW skill is worth that, or near to it. Throw in that he is a FA and he is easily worth that. Tuck would probably get 8 mil or so on the FA market.

[RashanGary]

That guy who just got 36 mil was given a rating of 2 stars. Williams was given a rating of 4 stars.

Now, walterfootball.com is no SI, but the common thought was that Williams was one of the top guys and this OG was down the list. Watch what these UFA's get. It's rediculous.

[b bulldog]

I know some wills scoff at this but I will repeat what I posted once 99 as tagged, he must be very upset by this. He would have most likely recieved a signing bonus in the 10-15 mil range and now he risks injury.

[RashanGary]

I know some wills scoff at this but I will repeat what I posted once 99 as tagged, he must be very upset by this. He would have most likely recieved a signing bonus in the 10-15 mil range and now he risks injury.

I've been saying it for a while. Nate Clements got 7 years 80 million with 23 or so gauranteed last year or something crazy like that.


All I can say is sit back and watch the fireworks when these guys get signed. There are a dozen guys out there this year who are as good as last years top two or three. I'll bet there are 10 or so contracts over 50 million dollars with many of them being guys who never made it to probowls. Williams would have been one of them.

[twoseven]

As far as CW goes, he is still not going to be worth the money we might give him in a longer deal even if he gives us a discount. I'd rather hope for Harrel and/or Jolly to send CW packing next year with their improved play than hope CW will elevate his current game. Paying CW 4-5 million a year, (what I think it takes to satisfy him and his agent, minimum), is a waste unless he all of a sudden turns into Tuck next season, I don't see that happening.

wow, have to wholeheartedly disagree with that!

7 sacks from the DT position? Not worth big dollars? Him being there allows us to generate a pass rush inside and outside is very valuable. And don't give me that stuff about him not being an every down player, not a starter, etc.

The reality is that a player of CW skill is worth that, or near to it. Throw in that he is a FA and he is easily worth that. Tuck would probably get 8 mil or so on the FA market.

How many of those seven sacks came as a result of Kamp and/or KGB getting behind the QB and flushing him right into CW? I can remember seeing CW clean up on at least a couple of sacks in this manner. CW was not bullrushing all by himself and getting 7 solo sacks on pure power. One could argue that CW was often there to clean up the mess that was made by our outside pressure. For 5-6 million a year he should be constantly generating pressure all by himself. Just being there in the area when the QB scrambles towards him is not enough.

[twoseven]

I know some wills scoff at this but I will repeat what I posted once 99 as tagged, he must be very upset by this. He would have most likely recieved a signing bonus in the 10-15 mil range and now he risks injury.

If TT offered him a longer deal of 3-4 or 4-5 mil a year with a small signing bonus (we will not know unless TT tells us, and he won't) and CW's agent turned it down, which I would expect, who's actually to blame if CW gets hurt this year? CW and his agent can argue that he's actually worth more than 3-4 mil a year, but we all have eyes and know full well the market was setting CW's price, not his play. TT did exactly what he had to do, and if CW and/or his agent couldn't have seen the move coming a mile away I want to know what they were thinking.